treatment response for heart qi def.

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I specialize in stress, anxiety and depression and I've had wonderful

results. Anxious patients tend to begin to relax within 10 minutes of

talking with me even before the needles are inserted. I notice an

energy in the room with anxious patients and I can either contribute to

that energy and grow the over-all anxiety, or I can notice it and

" become the calm that stills the raging sea " . Notice how you feel deep

down around an anxious patient and see if you aren't subconsciously

contributing to their energy. Most of us do, and it takes a deliberate

and conscious effort to not go there.

 

I also have a different approach to anxiety and depression than many

people. I don't try and stop it or make their symptoms go away. Rather

I encourage the patient to face it and see what in their life needs

attention and then transform that energy (with the help of acupuncture)

into something more useful and meaningful. Anxiety uses a lot of energy

(Po, survival kind of energy) and that energy needs an outlet of

expression. By trying to stop it, it just grows stronger.

 

I find that straight TCM diagnosis and treatments (like Ht Qi def.) not

particularly useful with psychological and emotional issues. I use the

more subtle energetics of an 8 extra meridian treatment, or a Japanese

style treatment. These can make a huge difference in psychological

conditions since the focus is shifted away from the anxiety and thus the

snowball of anxiety can get no momentum.

 

Of course I'm not seeing your particular patients, and so I can't say

for certain that these techniques would help. I just know that it has

worked very well in my limited experience.

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

Oasis Acupuncture

http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

Suite D-35

Scottsdale, AZ 85258

Phone: (480) 991-3650

Fax: (480) 247-4472

 

 

Ms Lori Scott [loriandeli]

Friday, March 18, 2005 11:28 AM

acupuncture

acupuncture treatment response for heart qi def.

 

 

Hi there...I have started to notice a pattern with my patients being

treated for anxiety/insomnia. I was wondering if others have also

noticed a particular response with their own patients. Regardless of

the differentiation (excess, deficiency, liver, heart, qi, blood,

heat....) I administer the acupuncture according to diagnoses, and

inevitably these patients are always wide awake, even fidgety, on the

table. I am beginning to wonder if I am doing something wrong. I

believe chronic insomnia/anxiety is difficult to treat in general and

requires diligence in treatment and herbs, but I can not help feeling

insecure when the needles do not elicit a normal response. Generally,

my other patients fall into an altered state of consciousness while on

the table with a feeling of relaxation and happiness following

treatment. If you have had more experience with this, please let me

know. Thank you. Lori

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

sedate the liver and the heart while nourishing the heart. and make

sure you move the qi throughout the body

 

acupuncture , Ms Lori Scott <loriandeli>

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> Hi there...I have started to notice a pattern with my patients

being treated for anxiety/insomnia. I was wondering if others have

also noticed a particular response with their own patients.

Regardless of the differentiation (excess, deficiency, liver, heart,

qi, blood, heat....) I administer the acupuncture according to

diagnoses, and inevitably these patients are always wide awake, even

fidgety, on the table. I am beginning to wonder if I am doing

something wrong. I believe chronic insomnia/anxiety is difficult to

treat in general and requires diligence in treatment and herbs, but

I can not help feeling insecure when the needles do not elicit a

normal response. Generally, my other patients fall into an

altered state of consciousness while on the table with a feeling of

relaxation and happiness following treatment. If you have had more

experience with this, please let me know. Thank you. Lori

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lori

 

I too have found that the really tense/anxious patients don't get that deep

relaxation that my others do innitially. They do achieve it if they keep

coming but it takes alot of sessions to get there.

Anyone have any suggestions?

 

Mary

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi, Lori.

 

I am also a practitioner and have noticed such a thing. It's

especially frustrating because they are the ones who need to feel

calmer, etc, yet I come in and they are wide awake. I thouhgt it

might be because I stayed in the room too long, but even when I

leave them alone...nothing. With the excess pts, I don't hesitate

to use the big guns (ie. all the wrist and ankle/foot points plus

the ear. But the deficient pts...I don't want to wipe them out, but

sometimes it seems like they need it. Still...I hesitate. I am

relatively new in practice (2 years), and wonder if it's me. I was

actually just on Blue Poppy looking at the distance CEU

courses/tapes for anxiety and insomnia. I was also going to go on

PCOM's site to see about getting copies of lectures from the past

Symposium.

 

I literally had one patients who was moving her hands around in

circles when I came back in despite H7, P6, Lu9 in both! I don't

know how that could have been comfortable or why they didn't relax

her more...Back shus, though, especially the outer get her unless

she is worked up (can be hyper).

 

I do wonder if it's an issue of excess and deficiency, and there's

more excess than I am perceiving.

 

I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

 

Kris

 

acupuncture , Ms Lori Scott <loriandeli>

wrote:

> Hi there...I have started to notice a pattern with my patients

being treated for anxiety/insomnia. I was wondering if others have

also noticed a particular response with their own patients.

Regardless of the differentiation (excess, deficiency, liver, heart,

qi, blood, heat....) I administer the acupuncture according to

diagnoses, and inevitably these patients are always wide awake, even

fidgety, on the table. I am beginning to wonder if I am doing

something wrong. I believe chronic insomnia/anxiety is difficult to

treat in general and requires diligence in treatment and herbs, but

I can not help feeling insecure when the needles do not elicit a

normal response. Generally, my other patients fall into an

altered state of consciousness while on the table with a feeling of

relaxation and happiness following treatment. If you have had more

experience with this, please let me know. Thank you. Lori

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