Coloidal Silver

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Message: 1 Fri, 02 May 2003 11:41:15 -0000 shekinahguild

Re: Types of Silver and important info, response #1

 

Jason Said: The colloidal silver world is very interesting in this manner,

as it has attracted many people who are capable and quite passionate about

producing CS. Commercial interest has compounded this issue even further.

The HVAC method of electrically isolated silver production had no purpose

when first developed by Bruce Marx other than to be able to produce large

amounts of colloidal silver to provide to others. This is the first problem

with HVAC. When you start to " turn up the volume " ( so to speak ) you bring

a great deal of variables into the equation, as some fine researchers ( some

off the beaten track, to be sure ) in the world have expounded upon;

including research in sonic holoform and standing waves, morphogenic

anomolies in laboratory crystal growing methods, etc. The differences in

isolated silver production must first be acknowledged before they can be

quantified.

Certainly

it seems that much is assumed or implied rather than a standard formula. As

for sonic holoform and standing waves, morphogenic anomolies I barely expect

much of this sort of thing to find its way to the general public, especially

with the idea that the biological aspect is then compounded nearly

exponentialy against what may be a more quantum level of refined

investigation. Interesting none the less. I believe my biggest problem with

this research is my total lack of Organic Chemistry and biologicaly related

facts. I do understand quite a bit.. but it is still nothing in the face of

serious professionals.

- Jason

Said: Very few beliefs that exist today are based on clinical evidence. Most

of the modifications that will produce a more refined colloidal silver are

based on extremely sound engineering principles, observations with

instruments of measurement, and finally antibacterial time-kill study

comparisons. However, these engineering ideas have been documented with

literally thousands of data plots and comparisons using relatively good

measuring equipment ( spectrophotometer ). As an example, visit hvacsilver.

com . 'Ole Bob has put together a fine website which chronicles some of his

extensive experience in ionic silver production.

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Thankyou I have gone to his site as you gave me the link a while back. I do

wish he had more specifics on the lab data he presented though... it

definitely left me want for more.

-- Jason

Said: There are actually issues of national security involved with some

specific silver electrolysis production methods, and one of the most

qualified researchers ( who doesn't spend too much time on the net, as far

as I'm aware ) had a do-not-disclose national security order slapped on him.

I'm aware of some of the details, which I won't disclose either, as I happen

to agree.

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Hmmm... It is exactly this sort of thing that makes me wonder though I have

seen patent applications get slapped with a non-disclosure order by the DOD

over things that seemed trivial, or small as a reason to withold such

information from the public. Luckily international patents are open, and the

application stands as the patent until someone challenges such.. so, the DOD

gag order is a moot point so long as you can spend the time to do the

research and find this information. Um, er.. so did this Researcher apply

for an international patent?

--- Jason

Said: This is true. Experience has since proven that rapid stirring is less

desireable than gentle stirring, unless proper polarity reversal is

employed. However, to see why some type of water circulation is necessary,

take a digital camera and some laser pens, film two hours straight of a

batch being produced without stirring. Fast-record the film down to about 3

minutes. Observe what happens between the electrodes. Imagine increasing the

voltage potential. Agglomeration at the electrodes may be more desireable

than agglomeration in the solution itself. Too many people rush right

through the basics of CS production with electrolysis and jump right in to

more refined generation methods. The problem here, is that as soon as you

do, you can no longer study the process. Those who think that measurements

taken at the electrodes during production are " absolute " are mistaken.

Anyone who has closely observed the more crude method of silver production

recognizes that there are cycles involved as the result of gravitational

pull and pressure. These cycles do not dissapear when current limiting is

utilized, thermal stirring, and/or polarity reversing -- they just become

invisible and undetectable. Everything considered, I consider a TEM, Atomic

Adsorption Spectrometry, AND an antibacterial study to be a good baseline in

studying the end product. If you believe to have an idea or a theory that

contradicts what many experienced researchers have nearly unanimously found,

then you'll meet deserved resistance without the data to support your own

claim. However, conversely, you will find that if you approach the whole

issue ( with those who have no commercial interest ) with a spirit of

openness, a friendly attitude, sound thoughts, ideas, and observations, that

these seem people will be more than happy to enter into friendly discussion.

The boards, though, Karl -- unless your a diplomatic type of individual,

stay away from those that aren't well managed. They tend to breed

frustration, anger, and unproductive confrontation ( yes, I saw your posts

on the net last week, as I watch my server logs carefully ).

-- Hmmm, I

am about as diplomatic as a lead ballon. Thanks for the warning. You propose

some interesting variables I have not considered... gravity and pressure in

a catalytic cell. Though you must admit that what I propose isn't such an

outragious idea.. that a high concentration of silver increases the

potential for dispersion through another medium..(the body) All specifics of

biochemistry, and bioabsorption aside it seems quite reasonable to assume a

higher silver concentration would equate to higher levels of silver in the

body, or blood. In the MS case I can understand where a direct infusion of

the blood may have been required.. say if the spinal fluid was the target

" tissue " for the silver. Though I have noticed that on the level that I

understand cleansing the blood is a step in the right direction for dealing

with infections. I have noticed a patent for an HIV cure that simply uses an

ozone/oxygen exchanger to sterilize the blood without killing the blood

cells. The method in the patent claims to remove 99.9% of the HIV virus in

this process, effectively " to cure " thewed documentation and rigorous

studies.. I don't have the benefit of these reports, and have made the best

of what I have in the way of my own research. The independant research

always lends more as I don't trust the University reports for the same

reasons stated above.. it all comes to close to who funds what, and who is

going to loose a job or something as a result of honest work. Obviously I

trust not the institutional aspect of our society as I have found far too

often it is a concoction of lies, or halftruths set to persuade and or

controle us. I hate that, and so I don't typicaly trust or believe anyone

until I see it for myself.

 

It seemed apparent that anyone who was into the silver usage would see this

glaring point of fact. Someone doesn't want us to have access to anything,

cars, information, news, anything unless it is part of a carefull controle

scenario. I apparently take too much for granted by way of other people

missing what seems to be obvious. So, I don't take it very well to see

people miss the obvious, not even bother to acknowledge the obvious because

they simply don't see it.. To this end I have little diplomacy..

--- Jason

said: This is the question of the hour. To illustrate the challenge

involved, let me highlight one point: Robert O. Becker, MD, demonstrated

conclusively that silver ions, when injected into a solution containing

living cancer cells, COULD ( as apposed to always would ) cause the cancer

cells to revert to healthy cells. There were clear morphogenic changes that

he conclusively documented. The principle he, perhaps indirectly, put into

practice was iontophoresis... Accept the drug delivered was from the

electrode itself! However, I was recently informed that a similiar procedure

with a very high grade colloidal silver was performed ( and accidently, I

might add! ). The isolated silver killed the cancer cells. Clearly, right

here, we are seeing a difference directly related to the ogliodynamic

properties of the two " silvers " . If we are to believe the report, and I most

certainly do, then the most obvious conclusion is: That the silver ions

injected via electrolysis had a kenetic energy ( motion ), a zeta potential,

or an electromagnetic state ( or the entire environment was thus effected )

which improved the ogliodynamic properties. The silver ion penetrated the

cell wall and affected a change. The silver ions in the recent report did

not penetrate the cell wall completely, but rather ( likely ) inhibited

cellular respiration ( cancer cells tend to carry a greater negative charge

than normal cells ), or, the cell membrane was effected allowing easier

penetration of the silver ion. These conditions can theoretically be

reproduced in the body via chemical reactions ( rather than via

electrolysis )... as a silver ion becomes silver chloride.... as the silver

chloride molecule comes in contact with ammonia... ( one example )... as a

silver aggregate comes in contact with hydrogen peroxide... ( as another

example ). This is just one example of how drawing conclusions based on data

that is simply not there can make perfect sense but be totally wrong. Throw

silver crystals into the equation, or preformed silver compounds, and it is

easy to see how things can become confusing.

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