What some people consider as a hero, others think something else

[Guest guest]

Hi Paige

 

Thanks for your interesting observations. It brought to mind Robert

Burns: Oh would some power give us the gift to see ourselves as others

see us.

 

And the idea that we all perceive ourselfs and the world outside our

skin through our own unique filters.

 

When I first took the test, I asked a long-time friend to do herself

and me: She also identified me as Water. After your post, I retested

and still came up with Water as prime, wood secondary. Earth edged

into third.

 

I'd like to become adept with the Chinese Element System. So, tell me

more. And anyone else who wants to give input, have at it.

 

What about my words ..... " genius extroadinaire; a true rennaisance

man -- he followed his soul purpose, self actualized, wayfarers for

others " ..... typifies them as Earth.

 

About my disliking

" saturnianish Capricorn ---that too staid and

materialistic/reductionist.... punitive, duty-bound, hairshirt and

good ole boy " controling sort of energy. "

 

You said: " Those are pretty much Wood element characteristics and that

stands to reason that you as an Earth element would not like those

qualities. "

 

Using Docspeed as a classic Wood: I'd say he has a strong Saturn as

evidenced in his well developed discipline. Further, I find him

practical and pragmatic, very typical of a capricornian energy.

 

He could intimidate the hell out of me and could, if he so chose,

agressively,with tough, alpha dog (dominant) energy, with a laser-like

focus/decisiveness and directness point out my every

looser's limp, the pre-sups behind my every belief, and know without my

telling him that I often

allow my earth traits of sympathy, nuturing, and supportiveness to

erode my judgement and contribute to my indecisiveness. Such is his

power and ability. These traits I admire (not dislike) and I'd be well

served to cultivate them within myself.

 

Docspeed could have me reeling were he to do that. Would I like

it...well absolutely not. I'd probably have my feelings hurt and have

myself a good cry. Would I hang tail and run away.

I doubt it. Past experience tells me I would retreat (if at a seminar,

during breaks) -- find an alone space in nature, be solitary, go

through the high drama of experienceing every emotion triggered. I'd

reflect and introspect and intellectualize; I'd be very serious with

myself...Thats water so far. I'd analyze (to hair splitting degrees),

examine everything said and how it related to every aspect of my life

(metal); then seek counsel for understanding and perspective & reality

check (don't know what this is). Then, finally re-sort; and as much

as I could, accept truths, reject non-truth, let go/change; and

ultimately derive some wisdom from it--- -more water.

 

How would an earth process a " heavy duty change moment " ? Fire...etc?

 

As to the rest of my statement: It may be Wood as you say, but its not

the Docspeed I see; not the stuff of my heroes.

 

Hairshirt: self effacing, self imposed penance for some supposed

wrong-doing.

That BS behavior. Heavy martyr energy.

 

Staid, materialistic/reductionist: Ridig, repessive people, those who

would enforce the letter of

the law even to killing the spirit of the law. The kind of people who

would have every full-of-life or bored-with-humdrum-cirricula kid and

doped out on Ritalin rather than change the system.

 

Punitive: Some one more interested in making you suffer for not

adhearing to their rules, values, beliefs than finding a pro-active

solution. On your turf, I will comply with your rules.....unless I

won't, in which case I exit the scene. Eg: I won't cuss in front of

your kids, smoke inside your house, etc.. But I won't deny my values &

beliefs to accomodate yours

(we can agree to disagree) or accept your rules when not on your turf.

Punitive is when you want your rules to follow me off your turf and

make me suffer/pay I do not.

 

As to such as robbery,assualt etc.: Well, Jesus didn't say: Go to Hell;

He said Go and sin no more. So what do you want -- some one to

suffer/go to hell. Or Change/sin no more?

 

Good Ole Boy-ism. A clinging to the status quo, even if archaic or

bankrupt, resistance to

the new and inventive. The kind of people who told Gates " nobody is

going to want a personal

computer. "

 

Re: Your take on this list -- Water and Metal. Makes sense! So does

your succinct analysis of how the elements relate to the tenor of this

list. I really like your criteria for a hero.

 

Re: HIS STORY, I disagree that thats " as it should be " . Until our

collective consciousness (per Hawkings) goes way up, thats what is and

will be. Rulers will continue to lie, spin, suppress or subvert any

truth in the way of their self aggrandizement or agenda. A good thing?

Look at the lunacy thats resulted in religion because some ruler found

truth inconvenient. The point I saught to make was that you can't

always (maybe never) trust history as taught. If you want the truth,

be prepared to dig deeper and search out alternative info sources. .

 

Re: Rebellion: Thanks for the English POV .

 

True, I could energy test or remote view anytime/anyone. If I

consistantly did the drills and developed competency in the skills.

 

 

Excellent advice, Paige, I really like this:

 

" Know yourself first....your strengths and weaknesses. Then be able to

recognize the element of another person and then know enough about that

element to know what motivates them....for whatever reason you are

interacting with that person.  "

 

I'd like to see more discussion on the elements. I've learned a lot

already, just in answering

your post.

 

g

[Guest guest]

, Gail Raby

<graby wrote:

 

 

---SNIP----

 

Get Figuring Out People by Michael Hall.

Great book on metaprograms.

I am noticing as I read thru it and ponder that lots of processes can

be viewed more as WOOD, or EARTH, or METAL or whatever element. IT

would be fun to sort out those metaprograms and see which elements

would apply to it more.

 

Mike Continelli

[Guest guest]

, " going2evolve "

<going2evolve wrote:

>

> , Gail Raby

> <graby@> wrote:

>

>

> ---SNIP----

>

> Get Figuring Out People by Michael Hall.

> Great book on metaprograms.

 

He doesn't make sense to me, and he bores me to death.

At Doc's seminar he gave out that $600 course on metaprograms from the

founder of the system, for free.

That one made sense to me.

 

Barbara

[Guest guest]

healingenergies-

essentialskills , " barbara101ann " <barbara101ann

wrote:

>

> healingenergies-

essentialskills , " going2evolve "

> <going2evolve@> wrote:

> >

> > , Gail Raby

> > <graby@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > ---SNIP----

> >

> > Get Figuring Out People by Michael Hall.

> > Great book on metaprograms.

>

> He doesn't make sense to me, and he bores me to death.

> At Doc's seminar he gave out that $600 course on metaprograms from

the

> founder of the system, for free.

> That one made sense to me.

>

> Barbara

>

Hello Barbara,

 

Thanks for the input.

Doc definitely gives lots of FREE STUFF at the seminars...FO SHO.

 

I'll review those...there was quite a few material so...I'll find the

ones you mentioned.

 

Thanks again.

 

Mike

[Guest guest]

Gail,

 

> Thanks for your interesting observations. It brought to mind Robert

> Burns: Oh would some power give us the gift to see ourselves as

others

> see us.

 

That you would quote this says you care about how others see

you...that's an earth element. Water elements would make a note of

what others say and then just move on to something else. Waters have

a lack of direction...moving this way and that. Unless something

finally pushes them strongly in one direction, they are pretty happy

with just " getting along "

 

> What about my words ..... " genius extroadinaire; a true

rennaisance

> man -- he followed his soul purpose, self actualized, wayfarers for

> others " ..... typifies them as Earth.

 

Again, caring about humanity and the good of others, for others...

 

 

> He could intimidate the hell out of me and could, if he so chose,

> agressively,with tough, alpha dog (dominant) energy, with a laser-

like

> focus/decisiveness and directness point out my every

> looser's limp,

> Docspeed could have me reeling were he to do that. Would I like

> it...well absolutely not. I'd probably have my feelings hurt and

have

> myself a good cry.

 

Water probably wouldn't cry...just take it, let it bounce off and go

on.

 

 

> How would an earth process a " heavy duty change moment " ?

 

Probably have a good cry and then work their hearts out to help

others see how things could be different for the good of all. Earths

want others to see things the way they see things

 

Fire...etc?

 

Maybe burnout for awhile or blowup but probably catch another flame

and burn in another direction.

 

> As to the rest of my statement: It may be Wood as you say, but its

not

> the Docspeed I see; not the stuff of my heroes.

 

Every element has it's positive energy (enhance) and negative energy

(destroy). It's important to know both sides to understand where you

are going and to understand and influence someone else's energy.

 

> As to such as robbery,assualt etc.: Well, Jesus didn't say: Go to

Hell;

> He said Go and sin no more. So what do you want -- some one to

> suffer/go to hell. Or Change/sin no more?

>

> Good Ole Boy-ism. A clinging to the status quo, even if archaic or

> bankrupt, resistance to

> the new and inventive. The kind of people who told Gates " nobody is

> going to want a personal

> computer. "

 

Ok, I'm lost...I didn't follow that direction at all. Maybe water

indeed.

 

> Re: Your take on this list -- Water and Metal. Makes sense! So

does

> your succinct analysis of how the elements relate to the tenor of

this

> list. I really like your criteria for a hero.

>

> Re: HIS STORY, I disagree that thats " as it should be " . Until

our

> collective consciousness (per Hawkings) goes way up, thats what is

and

> will be. Rulers will continue to lie, spin, suppress or subvert

any

> truth in the way of their self aggrandizement or agenda. A good

thing?

 

Well, if you don't think it's right...become powerful and make your

own rules. Everything is energy. Power is energy. If you really want

to make a change and not just say things are bad...find out how to

influence energy...study it, do the drills, BE AT DOC'S INTENSIVE in

February. Buy the Trainers Day 1 and 2 DVDs, attend the Trainers 3

Day, become a trainer. Make a change.

 

Don't just talk....do something about it.

 

 

> I'd like to see more discussion on the elements. I've learned a

lot

 

See above...

Paige