New here: First treatment -- it's WORSE! Help!

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

 

I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give it a

shot. I've

been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year (possibly

hormonal),

including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many others. Lately

they

had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had problems

on

and off.

 

I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on Saturday. I

didn't

expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing that could

happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the treatment and

started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting worse

since. I

couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations today.

 

Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have gone

wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was triggered

again by the

acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm

very

upset about this whole episode.

 

P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the summer and

I'm

ok.

[Guest guest]

God, we HAVE the SAME symptoms. The acupuncture has helped me. She also gave

me some herbs to take that made my symptoms worse so I stopped those (Ease Plus

and Calm Spirit) There is an herbal remedy called THREE IMMPRTALS that is

suppose to help the palpitations. After the first treatment, I really didn't

feel any better and I still got the palpitations but after a couple of

treatments they got better. i would keep going for a couple more times. What

did the acupuncturist say about it?

 

PS-I also had all the heart tests done and my heart is fine. All the symptoms

are triggered by anxiety and/or hormonal changes....

 

 

 

Monica <monicasf wrote:

 

Hello everyone,

 

I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give it a

shot. I've

been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year (possibly

hormonal),

including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many others. Lately

they

had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had problems

on

and off.

 

I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on Saturday. I

didn't

expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing that could

happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the treatment and

started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting worse

since. I

couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations today.

 

Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have gone

wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was triggered

again by the

acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm

very

upset about this whole episode.

 

P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the summer and

I'm

ok.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

That's very interesting that others have similar symptoms. I told the

acupuncturist

what happened and she said that my body is probably " not strong enough " for the

acupuncture, whatever that means, and that she'd rather put me on herbs and

acupressure. At this point I'm skeptical after such a bad experience. What do

you

think? No one ever told me that you can not be strong enough for treatment. I

thought that's what the treatment is for. I rather doubt that acupressure can

help with

palpitations. Also, I'm usually very sensitive to drugs, so I'm a little

cautious about

herbs I know nothing about.

 

I'd still like to know if anyone had bad experiences with acupuncture and if the

body

bounces back after one treatment.

 

Finally, how long do acupuncturists usually leave the needles in? In my case she

left

them for about half an hour, and I wonder if it wasn't too long.

 

 

acupuncture , Olly Ooops <ollyoops2002> wrote:

> God, we HAVE the SAME symptoms. The acupuncture has helped me. She also

gave me some herbs to take that made my symptoms worse so I stopped those (Ease

Plus and Calm Spirit) There is an herbal remedy called THREE IMMPRTALS that is

suppose to help the palpitations. After the first treatment, I really didn't

feel any

better and I still got the palpitations but after a couple of treatments they

got better.

i would keep going for a couple more times. What did the acupuncturist say

about it?

>

> PS-I also had all the heart tests done and my heart is fine. All the symptoms

are

triggered by anxiety and/or hormonal changes....

>

>

>

> Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give it a

shot.

I've

> been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year (possibly

hormonal),

> including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many others.

Lately they

> had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had

problems on

> and off.

>

> I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on Saturday. I

didn't

> expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing that could

> happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the treatment and

> started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting worse

since. I

> couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations today.

>

> Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have gone

> wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was triggered

again by

the

> acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm

very

> upset about this whole episode.

>

> P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the summer and

I'm

> ok.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes but rarely the cure is painful in accutreatment. No pain no gain

sometimes applies usually with accupressure techniques. Perhaps this is your

case. Try rubbing your lower arms on the inside and also try squeezing a rock in

your hand for a time. Triple burner seems to be the problem.

 

Monica <monicasf wrote:

Hello everyone,

 

I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give it a

shot. I've

been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year (possibly

hormonal),

including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many others. Lately

they

had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had problems

on

and off.

 

I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on Saturday. I

didn't

expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing that could

happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the treatment and

started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting worse

since. I

couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations today.

 

Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have gone

wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was triggered

again by the

acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm

very

upset about this whole episode.

 

P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the summer and

I'm

ok.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I think that acupressure massage could help you. I get a massage every week and

it really helps me to relax which in turn relieves the palpitations.

 

Monica <monicasf wrote:

That's very interesting that others have similar symptoms. I told the

acupuncturist

what happened and she said that my body is probably " not strong enough " for the

acupuncture, whatever that means, and that she'd rather put me on herbs and

acupressure. At this point I'm skeptical after such a bad experience. What do

you

think? No one ever told me that you can not be strong enough for treatment. I

thought that's what the treatment is for. I rather doubt that acupressure can

help with

palpitations. Also, I'm usually very sensitive to drugs, so I'm a little

cautious about

herbs I know nothing about.

 

I'd still like to know if anyone had bad experiences with acupuncture and if the

body

bounces back after one treatment.

 

Finally, how long do acupuncturists usually leave the needles in? In my case she

left

them for about half an hour, and I wonder if it wasn't too long.

 

 

acupuncture , Olly Ooops <ollyoops2002> wrote:

> God, we HAVE the SAME symptoms. The acupuncture has helped me. She also

gave me some herbs to take that made my symptoms worse so I stopped those (Ease

Plus and Calm Spirit) There is an herbal remedy called THREE IMMPRTALS that is

suppose to help the palpitations. After the first treatment, I really didn't

feel any

better and I still got the palpitations but after a couple of treatments they

got better.

i would keep going for a couple more times. What did the acupuncturist say

about it?

>

> PS-I also had all the heart tests done and my heart is fine. All the symptoms

are

triggered by anxiety and/or hormonal changes....

>

>

>

> Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give it a

shot.

I've

> been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year (possibly

hormonal),

> including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many others.

Lately they

> had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had

problems on

> and off.

>

> I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on Saturday. I

didn't

> expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing that could

> happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the treatment and

> started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting worse

since. I

> couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations today.

>

> Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have gone

> wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was triggered

again by

the

> acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm

very

> upset about this whole episode.

>

> P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the summer and

I'm

> ok.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is tripple burner?

 

Hoang Ho <twomtns2002 wrote:Sometimes but rarely the cure is painful

in accutreatment. No pain no gain sometimes applies usually with accupressure

techniques. Perhaps this is your case. Try rubbing your lower arms on the inside

and also try squeezing a rock in your hand for a time. Triple burner seems to be

the problem.

 

Monica <monicasf wrote:

Hello everyone,

 

I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give it a

shot. I've

been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year (possibly

hormonal),

including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many others. Lately

they

had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had problems

on

and off.

 

I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on Saturday. I

didn't

expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing that could

happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the treatment and

started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting worse

since. I

couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations today.

 

Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have gone

wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was triggered

again by the

acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm

very

upset about this whole episode.

 

P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the summer and

I'm

ok.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

But how do you know if it's a matter of " no pain no gain " or something went

wrong?

After I told her what happened she said I'm too weak for accupuncture. Can

accupressure work for hormonal problems?

 

What's " triple burner " ? (Sorry, I'm new to all this.) How long do you rub the

arm or

squeeze (and is it the left arm)?

 

Thanks.

Monica

 

Hoang Ho <twomtns2002> wrote:

 

> Sometimes but rarely the cure is painful in accutreatment. No pain no gain

sometimes applies usually with accupressure techniques. Perhaps this is your

case.

Try rubbing your lower arms on the inside and also try squeezing a rock in your

hand

for a time. Triple burner seems to be the problem.

>

> Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give it a

shot.

I've

> been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year (possibly

hormonal),

> including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many others.

Lately they

> had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had

problems on

> and off.

>

> I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on Saturday. I

didn't

> expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing that could

> happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the treatment and

> started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting worse

since. I

> couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations today.

>

> Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have gone

> wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was triggered

again by

the

> acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm

very

> upset about this whole episode.

>

> P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the summer and

I'm

> ok.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Monica,

 

I treated a woman about a year ago who had a pretty strong reaction to

the treatment, similar to yours. Her palpitations went along with panic

attacks. Luckily she continued treatment but I became much less

aggressive for the subsequent treatments, often using just one or two

needles or just TuiNa massage and acupressure. I also used moxa, which

she seemed to enjoy. She was coming in for PTSD and other emotional

work. She felt the treatments really helped, along with her counseling.

 

Acupuncture is an invasive treatment designed to " shock " the Qi of the

body. For most people this " shock " is so mild that it is hardly noticed

(unlike most Western surgery), but for some it can be quite a jolt

energetically speaking. I personally am very sensitive to acupuncture

treatments and only get treatments from those who understand that not

everyone can take the aggressive Chinese approach. Japanese style

acupuncture is typically much more gentle and superficial and for

patients that are very sensitive, it can be as effective as Chinese but

without the pain or discomfort.

 

Acupuncture can actually make a huge difference with palpitations,

shortness of breath etc. It is OK to be skeptical, in fact I like to

encourage it. It keeps everyone honest and opens the door to real

investigation and learning. Some people mistake being cynical or having

a preconceived agenda to prove as being skeptical. That's not being

skeptical and it really inhibits honesty and learning.

 

It is not unusual at all to leave the needles in for half an hour. That

is fairly typical. I doubt that your reaction was due to the length of

time the needles were in, but more than likely due to the energetic

shock of the treatment itself. If you still feel comfortable with your

acupuncturist, and feel that they really get the fact that you had the

reaction you had, then give them a few more sessions to see if they can

adjust their approach and still achieve the results you were hoping for.

 

Best of luck!

Chris

 

 

 

 

Monica [monicasf]

Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:31 PM

acupuncture

acupuncture Re: New here: First treatment -- it's WORSE!

Help!

 

 

 

That's very interesting that others have similar symptoms. I told the

acupuncturist

what happened and she said that my body is probably " not strong enough "

for the

acupuncture, whatever that means, and that she'd rather put me on herbs

and

acupressure. At this point I'm skeptical after such a bad experience.

What do you

think? No one ever told me that you can not be strong enough for

treatment. I

thought that's what the treatment is for. I rather doubt that

acupressure can help with

palpitations. Also, I'm usually very sensitive to drugs, so I'm a little

cautious about

herbs I know nothing about.

 

I'd still like to know if anyone had bad experiences with acupuncture

and if the body

bounces back after one treatment.

 

Finally, how long do acupuncturists usually leave the needles in? In my

case she left

them for about half an hour, and I wonder if it wasn't too long.

 

 

acupuncture , Olly Ooops <ollyoops2002>

wrote:

> God, we HAVE the SAME symptoms. The acupuncture has helped me. She

also

gave me some herbs to take that made my symptoms worse so I stopped

those (Ease

Plus and Calm Spirit) There is an herbal remedy called THREE IMMPRTALS

that is

suppose to help the palpitations. After the first treatment, I really

didn't feel any

better and I still got the palpitations but after a couple of treatments

they got better.

i would keep going for a couple more times. What did the acupuncturist

say about it?

>

> PS-I also had all the heart tests done and my heart is fine. All the

symptoms are

triggered by anxiety and/or hormonal changes....

>

>

>

> Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give

it a shot.

I've

> been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year

(possibly hormonal),

> including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many

others. Lately they

> had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had

problems on

> and off.

>

> I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on

Saturday. I didn't

> expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing

that could

> happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the

treatment and

> started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting

worse since. I

> couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations

today.

>

> Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have

gone

> wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was

triggered again by

the

> acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much

appreciated. I'm very

> upset about this whole episode.

>

> P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the

summer and I'm

> ok.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Monica

 

I'm thinking that your acupuncturist may have been too agressive with your

treatment.

Your diagnosis may indicate that you are too deficient for the that treatment

that was

given. Unfortunitly from the outside, and not knowing the points that were used,

or what

techniques were applied it is too hard to say if the treatment was correct.

 

Something good to remember make sure you check the education and experience of

your

acupuncturist, just like you would any other professional.

 

Acupressure would be less aggresive but acupuncture would still be your best

bet.

 

 

 

 

acupuncture , Olly Ooops <ollyoops2002> wrote:

> I think that acupressure massage could help you. I get a massage every week

and it

really helps me to relax which in turn relieves the palpitations.

>

> Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> That's very interesting that others have similar symptoms. I told the

acupuncturist

> what happened and she said that my body is probably " not strong enough " for

the

> acupuncture, whatever that means, and that she'd rather put me on herbs and

> acupressure. At this point I'm skeptical after such a bad experience. What do

you

> think? No one ever told me that you can not be strong enough for treatment. I

> thought that's what the treatment is for. I rather doubt that acupressure can

help with

> palpitations. Also, I'm usually very sensitive to drugs, so I'm a little

cautious about

> herbs I know nothing about.

>

> I'd still like to know if anyone had bad experiences with acupuncture and if

the body

> bounces back after one treatment.

>

> Finally, how long do acupuncturists usually leave the needles in? In my case

she left

> them for about half an hour, and I wonder if it wasn't too long.

>

>

> acupuncture , Olly Ooops <ollyoops2002> wrote:

> > God, we HAVE the SAME symptoms. The acupuncture has helped me. She also

> gave me some herbs to take that made my symptoms worse so I stopped those

(Ease

> Plus and Calm Spirit) There is an herbal remedy called THREE IMMPRTALS that

is

> suppose to help the palpitations. After the first treatment, I really didn't

feel any

> better and I still got the palpitations but after a couple of treatments they

got better.

> i would keep going for a couple more times. What did the acupuncturist say

about it?

> >

> > PS-I also had all the heart tests done and my heart is fine. All the

symptoms are

> triggered by anxiety and/or hormonal changes....

> >

> >

> >

> > Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give it a

shot.

> I've

> > been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year (possibly

hormonal),

> > including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many others.

Lately they

> > had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had

problems on

> > and off.

> >

> > I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on Saturday.

I didn't

> > expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing that

could

> > happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the treatment

and

> > started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting worse

since. I

> > couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations

today.

> >

> > Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have gone

> > wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was triggered

again by

> the

> > acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm

very

> > upset about this whole episode.

> >

> > P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the summer

and I'm

> > ok.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hmmm... I am not sure what to think. The fact that your acupuncturist

left the needles in for 30 minutes on your first treatment is odd.

Typically, I have heard of much less invasive techniques, including a

cleansing for the first few treatments. These help strengthen the

body and prepare it for future treatments.

 

Have you considered seeking the advice of another acupuncturist? Make

sure to get recommendations! Also, herbs can really help. Do research

before taking anything (you can even ask here) but don't go past the

idea of taking herbs without really considering it. I have seen

miraculous results.

 

Do you consume caffeine? That might contribute to your palpitations...

 

acupuncture , " Monica " <monicasf@a...> wrote:

>

> That's very interesting that others have similar symptoms. I told

the acupuncturist

> what happened and she said that my body is probably " not strong

enough " for the

> acupuncture, whatever that means, and that she'd rather put me on

herbs and

> acupressure. At this point I'm skeptical after such a bad

experience. What do you

> think? No one ever told me that you can not be strong enough for

treatment. I

> thought that's what the treatment is for. I rather doubt that

acupressure can help with

> palpitations. Also, I'm usually very sensitive to drugs, so I'm a

little cautious about

> herbs I know nothing about.

>

> I'd still like to know if anyone had bad experiences with

acupuncture and if the body

> bounces back after one treatment.

>

> Finally, how long do acupuncturists usually leave the needles in?

In my case she left

> them for about half an hour, and I wonder if it wasn't too long.

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

What is tripple burner?

 

Monica <monicasf wrote:

But how do you know if it's a matter of " no pain no gain " or something went

wrong?

After I told her what happened she said I'm too weak for accupuncture. Can

accupressure work for hormonal problems?

 

What's " triple burner " ? (Sorry, I'm new to all this.) How long do you rub the

arm or

squeeze (and is it the left arm)?

 

Thanks.

Monica

 

Hoang Ho <twomtns2002> wrote:

 

> Sometimes but rarely the cure is painful in accutreatment. No pain no gain

sometimes applies usually with accupressure techniques. Perhaps this is your

case.

Try rubbing your lower arms on the inside and also try squeezing a rock in your

hand

for a time. Triple burner seems to be the problem.

>

> Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give it a

shot.

I've

> been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year (possibly

hormonal),

> including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many others.

Lately they

> had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had

problems on

> and off.

>

> I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on Saturday. I

didn't

> expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing that could

> happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the treatment and

> started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting worse

since. I

> couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations today.

>

> Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have gone

> wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was triggered

again by

the

> acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm

very

> upset about this whole episode.

>

> P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the summer and

I'm

> ok.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Triple burner or San Jiao is an energetic meridian system related to the

three Jiao's or three sections of the torso. It is related to

digestion, respiration and elimination but does not correspond to any

particular organ system in and of itself.

 

Check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jiao

 

I hope this helps.

 

Chris

 

 

Olly Ooops [ollyoops2002]

Friday, December 17, 2004 7:18 PM

acupuncture

Re: acupuncture Re: New here: First treatment -- it's WORSE!

Help!

 

 

What is tripple burner?

 

Monica <monicasf wrote:

But how do you know if it's a matter of " no pain no gain " or something

went wrong?

After I told her what happened she said I'm too weak for accupuncture.

Can

accupressure work for hormonal problems?

 

What's " triple burner " ? (Sorry, I'm new to all this.) How long do you

rub the arm or

squeeze (and is it the left arm)?

 

Thanks.

Monica

 

Hoang Ho <twomtns2002> wrote:

 

> Sometimes but rarely the cure is painful in accutreatment. No pain no

gain

sometimes applies usually with accupressure techniques. Perhaps this is

your case.

Try rubbing your lower arms on the inside and also try squeezing a rock

in your hand

for a time. Triple burner seems to be the problem.

>

> Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give

it a shot.

I've

> been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year

(possibly hormonal),

> including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many

others. Lately they

> had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had

problems on

> and off.

>

> I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on

Saturday. I didn't

> expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing

that could

> happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the

treatment and

> started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting

worse since. I

> couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations

today.

>

> Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have

gone

> wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was

triggered again by

the

> acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much

appreciated. I'm very

> upset about this whole episode.

>

> P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the

summer and I'm

> ok.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Without interviewing the patient in this case it occurred to me that breathing

may be a part of the problem. Try to breathe slowly and steadily. Relax and

breathe in through your nose and out through the mouth. Place your fingertips on

your belly below your navel, try to import your breath so you feel your belly

rise at this area. The other thought I had about this patient is 'menopauseal?

In this case some palipitations may be normal.

 

Christopher Vedeler <ckvedeler wrote:Triple burner or San Jiao

is an energetic meridian system related to the

three Jiao's or three sections of the torso. It is related to

digestion, respiration and elimination but does not correspond to any

particular organ system in and of itself.

 

Check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jiao

 

I hope this helps.

 

Chris

 

 

Olly Ooops [ollyoops2002]

Friday, December 17, 2004 7:18 PM

acupuncture

Re: acupuncture Re: New here: First treatment -- it's WORSE!

Help!

 

 

What is tripple burner?

 

Monica <monicasf wrote:

But how do you know if it's a matter of " no pain no gain " or something

went wrong?

After I told her what happened she said I'm too weak for accupuncture.

Can

accupressure work for hormonal problems?

 

What's " triple burner " ? (Sorry, I'm new to all this.) How long do you

rub the arm or

squeeze (and is it the left arm)?

 

Thanks.

Monica

 

Hoang Ho <twomtns2002> wrote:

 

> Sometimes but rarely the cure is painful in accutreatment. No pain no

gain

sometimes applies usually with accupressure techniques. Perhaps this is

your case.

Try rubbing your lower arms on the inside and also try squeezing a rock

in your hand

for a time. Triple burner seems to be the problem.

>

> Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give

it a shot.

I've

> been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year

(possibly hormonal),

> including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many

others. Lately they

> had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had

problems on

> and off.

>

> I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on

Saturday. I didn't

> expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing

that could

> happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the

treatment and

> started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting

worse since. I

> couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations

today.

>

> Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have

gone

> wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was

triggered again by

the

> acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much

appreciated. I'm very

> upset about this whole episode.

>

> P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the

summer and I'm

> ok.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Monica,

I am new to this group. My personal experience with TCM herbal and accupuncture

treatment could be of help to you.

I had a long history of damp-heat symptoms, only about three years back I could

know through my own studies and confirmation by a Chinese harbalist that I have

damp-heat symptoms.

It took me about an year to feel better. But in the process I changed three

herbalists. The first one was not good. His knowledge is questionable. He is in

Anaheim, CA area. He has some patent formulae which he sells as names which mean

chi improvers, liver chi improver, circulation improver ( these are not actual

names). The problem is that when one undergoes TCM herbal treatment the disease

changes its manifestations, entirely new symptoms may be observed as treatment

progresses. It is a dynamic situation. So fixed ingredient formulaes are not an

answer. The formula needs modification almost every week or after ten days. The

formula that worked in its first use may not give the same results when

repeated. Then I went to another TCM herbal practitioner who gave me acupuncture

treatment and proposed a herbal treatment with a formula to be tried for a

month. I refused to take his herbs. Then I tried the third TCM herbalist. She

was good. In the beginning progress was very good,

probably because the disease was acute and even small improvement was big for

me. Later on improvements looked less and less. In retrospect I can think of

several reasons. First was my expectations had gone up, second was that

progressively there was less and less to be improved, third was that beyond a

limit things cannot improve for an individual in his mid fifties. And the last

one I regret to speak about it, the Doctor was charging only $12 for

consultation. She wanted to prolong treatment as long as possible. This was my

impression and impression of many others who were under her treatment. There

were many things that confirmed this approach. It is entirely understandable but

one cannot help it. Consultation fee of $12 is too small an amount.

Later I switched to another Doctor who was least bothered if I continued with

his treatment. His main aim was to make me better.

So, please do consider changing TCM herbalist/acupuncturist. You can make a TCM

doctor's job easier by putting down your symptoms in a way that he would

understand better. Use some TCM books like one by Letha Hadady (there are many)

and try to understand the basic approach of TCM as compared to modern medicine

approach, het acquainted with the symptoms and the underlying causes. I think

knowing something about TCM and Ayurveda is a good long time investment in to

ones health. Both have the same approach towards health and some knowledge of

them will help one to improve ones health without spending money. Just by

understanding what to do and what not to do, what to eat and what not to eat,

what to eat when, what to do when, and what not to do when.

Ones you have written down your symptoms get them translated into chinese if you

are seeing a chinese TCM practitioner. Keep on updating, and revising your

symptom list. Revisions are going to be many.

Complement your TCM treatment with some simple Chi Kung/ Yoga stretching

excercises. Do'nt do too much just 15-20 min in the morning and evening. If you

work out, then limit it. Stop it much before you get exhausted. You need more

energy for curing yourself. Exhausting work outs are a big drain on energy which

is already in short supply for one who is suffering from some disease.

But the most important part is what you eat. The food should be as simple as

possible,bland diet is perfect. Reduce or stop dairy, bread,cakes, ice cream,

sugar, fatty and spicy food, coffee, juices. And also too many or too much of

Vitamins are bad. Do not eat anything taken out from the fridge, it would be too

cold for you.

Cook soups, stir-fry vegetables, try whole grains ( try barley, millet, brown

and wild rice). Some of the foods will suit you some will not. Gradually you

will know what suits you. So start with small amount of everything. Try to get

about 7-8 hours sleep. Read Bob Flaws book on congee and try some simple ones

for your breakfast.Through process of elimination you will come to know those

which suit you. Food itself will result in 40-50% improvement. Late on when

herbs and acupuncture stabilzes your health, its maintenance will entirely

depend on what you eat and excercises.

And over and above everything you should have the trust in nature that it's help

is available to all those who really seeks it. Pray for help.

 

Wishing you quick recovery and robust health.

 

Tulu

 

Olly Ooops <ollyoops2002 wrote:

What is tripple burner?

 

Monica <monicasf wrote:

But how do you know if it's a matter of " no pain no gain " or something went

wrong?

After I told her what happened she said I'm too weak for accupuncture. Can

accupressure work for hormonal problems?

 

What's " triple burner " ? (Sorry, I'm new to all this.) How long do you rub the

arm or

squeeze (and is it the left arm)?

 

Thanks.

Monica

 

Hoang Ho <twomtns2002> wrote:

 

> Sometimes but rarely the cure is painful in accutreatment. No pain no gain

sometimes applies usually with accupressure techniques. Perhaps this is your

case.

Try rubbing your lower arms on the inside and also try squeezing a rock in your

hand

for a time. Triple burner seems to be the problem.

>

> Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give it a

shot.

I've

> been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year (possibly

hormonal),

> including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many others.

Lately they

> had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had

problems on

> and off.

>

> I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on Saturday. I

didn't

> expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing that could

> happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the treatment and

> started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting worse

since. I

> couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations today.

>

> Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have gone

> wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was triggered

again by

the

> acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm

very

> upset about this whole episode.

>

> P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the summer and

I'm

> ok.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

some damp heat problems can be affected by a diet that limits water. Drink

enough water but eat dry grains like uncooked rice or meals with dry cereal.

Supplement with watery veggie like celery.tulu 489 <tulu489 wrote:

Monica,

I am new to this group. My personal experience with TCM herbal and accupuncture

treatment could be of help to you.

I had a long history of damp-heat symptoms, only about three years back I could

know through my own studies and confirmation by a Chinese harbalist that I have

damp-heat symptoms.

It took me about an year to feel better. But in the process I changed three

herbalists. The first one was not good. His knowledge is questionable. He is in

Anaheim, CA area. He has some patent formulae which he sells as names which mean

chi improvers, liver chi improver, circulation improver ( these are not actual

names). The problem is that when one undergoes TCM herbal treatment the disease

changes its manifestations, entirely new symptoms may be observed as treatment

progresses. It is a dynamic situation. So fixed ingredient formulaes are not an

answer. The formula needs modification almost every week or after ten days. The

formula that worked in its first use may not give the same results when

repeated. Then I went to another TCM herbal practitioner who gave me acupuncture

treatment and proposed a herbal treatment with a formula to be tried for a

month. I refused to take his herbs. Then I tried the third TCM herbalist. She

was good. In the beginning progress was very good,

probably because the disease was acute and even small improvement was big for

me. Later on improvements looked less and less. In retrospect I can think of

several reasons. First was my expectations had gone up, second was that

progressively there was less and less to be improved, third was that beyond a

limit things cannot improve for an individual in his mid fifties. And the last

one I regret to speak about it, the Doctor was charging only $12 for

consultation. She wanted to prolong treatment as long as possible. This was my

impression and impression of many others who were under her treatment. There

were many things that confirmed this approach. It is entirely understandable but

one cannot help it. Consultation fee of $12 is too small an amount.

Later I switched to another Doctor who was least bothered if I continued with

his treatment. His main aim was to make me better.

So, please do consider changing TCM herbalist/acupuncturist. You can make a TCM

doctor's job easier by putting down your symptoms in a way that he would

understand better. Use some TCM books like one by Letha Hadady (there are many)

and try to understand the basic approach of TCM as compared to modern medicine

approach, het acquainted with the symptoms and the underlying causes. I think

knowing something about TCM and Ayurveda is a good long time investment in to

ones health. Both have the same approach towards health and some knowledge of

them will help one to improve ones health without spending money. Just by

understanding what to do and what not to do, what to eat and what not to eat,

what to eat when, what to do when, and what not to do when.

Ones you have written down your symptoms get them translated into chinese if you

are seeing a chinese TCM practitioner. Keep on updating, and revising your

symptom list. Revisions are going to be many.

Complement your TCM treatment with some simple Chi Kung/ Yoga stretching

excercises. Do'nt do too much just 15-20 min in the morning and evening. If you

work out, then limit it. Stop it much before you get exhausted. You need more

energy for curing yourself. Exhausting work outs are a big drain on energy which

is already in short supply for one who is suffering from some disease.

But the most important part is what you eat. The food should be as simple as

possible,bland diet is perfect. Reduce or stop dairy, bread,cakes, ice cream,

sugar, fatty and spicy food, coffee, juices. And also too many or too much of

Vitamins are bad. Do not eat anything taken out from the fridge, it would be too

cold for you.

Cook soups, stir-fry vegetables, try whole grains ( try barley, millet, brown

and wild rice). Some of the foods will suit you some will not. Gradually you

will know what suits you. So start with small amount of everything. Try to get

about 7-8 hours sleep. Read Bob Flaws book on congee and try some simple ones

for your breakfast.Through process of elimination you will come to know those

which suit you. Food itself will result in 40-50% improvement. Late on when

herbs and acupuncture stabilzes your health, its maintenance will entirely

depend on what you eat and excercises.

And over and above everything you should have the trust in nature that it's help

is available to all those who really seeks it. Pray for help.

 

Wishing you quick recovery and robust health.

 

Tulu

 

Olly Ooops wrote:

What is tripple burner?

 

Monica wrote:

But how do you know if it's a matter of " no pain no gain " or something went

wrong?

After I told her what happened she said I'm too weak for accupuncture. Can

accupressure work for hormonal problems?

 

What's " triple burner " ? (Sorry, I'm new to all this.) How long do you rub the

arm or

squeeze (and is it the left arm)?

 

Thanks.

Monica

 

Hoang Ho wrote:

 

> Sometimes but rarely the cure is painful in accutreatment. No pain no gain

sometimes applies usually with accupressure techniques. Perhaps this is your

case.

Try rubbing your lower arms on the inside and also try squeezing a rock in your

hand

for a time. Triple burner seems to be the problem.

>

> Monica wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends to give it a

shot.

I've

> been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year (possibly

hormonal),

> including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and many others.

Lately they

> had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but still had

problems on

> and off.

>

> I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment on Saturday. I

didn't

> expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst thing that could

> happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during the treatment and

> started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been getting worse

since. I

> couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad palpitations today.

>

> Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What could have gone

> wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this was triggered

again by

the

> acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm

very

> upset about this whole episode.

>

> P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over the summer and

I'm

> ok.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Monica.

 

Your situation sounds like a combination of things. One being that

your acupuncturist didn't tell you that acupuncture can actually

cause the problems to intensify at the beginning. This doesn't

always happen, but it can; it can also affect other systems.

Everybody's bodies respond differently, but you should see an

improvement in a few treatments.

 

That being said...Jody is right that you should check the

credentials. I'm not sure from what you've said if it is a break-

down in communication between you and your practitioner (she/he

didn't explain things, you didn't understand...Chinese medical

terminology can be confusing if it's not explained well).

 

What the practitioner said about " not being strong enough " ...sounds

like another communication issue. It's not that you aren't strong

enough, but more that that tx was too strong for you at that

moment...points used, number of needles, length of time they are

retained, gauge used are all things that vary depending on the

pt's " strength " or that of the pathogen (when that applies).

Bottomline...there are adjustments that can be made.

 

If you do have a deficiency (hard to tell without seeing you,

checking pulse, tongue, other symptoms)... talks in

terms of excess, deficiency or a combination of the

two)...acupressure and massage would be good, acupuncture would be

better especially with herbs. If the herbs are given in a classical

formula, they have been combined to enhance the healing properties

and mitigate side-effects. It is always possible to have a

reaction, but they don't seem to be as common as drug reactions. I

have been using formulas for years and prescribing them, as

well...I'm struggling to think of one issue I've had. Probably if

the diagnosis wasn't quite right...eg. too many herbs for a

deficient patient...can tax an already taxed system. If you have

food allergies, advise your practitioner as many herbs/medicinals

are as the name sounds...from differnt parts of plants. If you are

still hesitant, ask for food therapy. If your practitioner has been

trained in TCM (Traditional ), he/she should be able

to recommend foods that will help & those to avoid.

 

Last thing...you said you had your heart checked out, and everything

was fine. I'm just wondering if they checked your thyroid at that

time, too. Sometimes those symptoms are related to elevated thyroid

levels. Acu & herbs should be able to help regardless, but you

might want to find out just so you're not worried about it.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Kris

 

 

acupuncture , " Jody " <jljahnke> wrote:

>

> Hi Monica

>

> I'm thinking that your acupuncturist may have been too agressive

with your treatment.

> Your diagnosis may indicate that you are too deficient for the

that treatment that was

> given. Unfortunitly from the outside, and not knowing the points

that were used, or what

> techniques were applied it is too hard to say if the treatment was

correct.

>

> Something good to remember make sure you check the education and

experience of your

> acupuncturist, just like you would any other professional.

>

> Acupressure would be less aggresive but acupuncture would still be

your best bet.

>

>

>

>

> acupuncture , Olly Ooops <ollyoops2002>

wrote:

> > I think that acupressure massage could help you. I get a

massage every week and it

> really helps me to relax which in turn relieves the palpitations.

> >

> > Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> > That's very interesting that others have similar symptoms. I

told the acupuncturist

> > what happened and she said that my body is probably " not strong

enough " for the

> > acupuncture, whatever that means, and that she'd rather put me

on herbs and

> > acupressure. At this point I'm skeptical after such a bad

experience. What do you

> > think? No one ever told me that you can not be strong enough for

treatment. I

> > thought that's what the treatment is for. I rather doubt that

acupressure can help with

> > palpitations. Also, I'm usually very sensitive to drugs, so I'm

a little cautious about

> > herbs I know nothing about.

> >

> > I'd still like to know if anyone had bad experiences with

acupuncture and if the body

> > bounces back after one treatment.

> >

> > Finally, how long do acupuncturists usually leave the needles

in? In my case she left

> > them for about half an hour, and I wonder if it wasn't too long.

> >

> >

> > acupuncture , Olly Ooops

<ollyoops2002> wrote:

> > > God, we HAVE the SAME symptoms. The acupuncture has helped

me. She also

> > gave me some herbs to take that made my symptoms worse so I

stopped those (Ease

> > Plus and Calm Spirit) There is an herbal remedy called THREE

IMMPRTALS that is

> > suppose to help the palpitations. After the first treatment, I

really didn't feel any

> > better and I still got the palpitations but after a couple of

treatments they got better.

> > i would keep going for a couple more times. What did the

acupuncturist say about it?

> > >

> > > PS-I also had all the heart tests done and my heart is fine.

All the symptoms are

> > triggered by anxiety and/or hormonal changes....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends

to give it a shot.

> > I've

> > > been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year

(possibly hormonal),

> > > including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and

many others. Lately they

> > > had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but

still had problems on

> > > and off.

> > >

> > > I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment

on Saturday. I didn't

> > > expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst

thing that could

> > > happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during

the treatment and

> > > started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been

getting worse since. I

> > > couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad

palpitations today.

> > >

> > > Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What

could have gone

> > > wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this

was triggered again by

> > the

> > > acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much

appreciated. I'm very

> > > upset about this whole episode.

> > >

> > > P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over

the summer and I'm

> > > ok.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Monica,

 

Two things:

 

1. The nausea is not uncommon. Its basically nothing more than the " fear " of the

process. It happened to me my first time. Its like someone that feels faint if

they see blood. Two tips; Have a full stomach and drink something high in sugar

just before treatment. My acupuncturist suggested this and it worked fine.

 

2. I STRONGLY suspect that you are suffering from anxiety disorder (Dont be

alarmed). I too suffered from this and it can be brought on by many things and

often is a result of the dominoe effect of a lot of things; Stress, Sadness,

Financial worries, work worries etc.

Mine was so severe that I could not function for 3 weeks.

 

While I admire those that prefer herbal remedies, please keep in mind that not

all herbal remedies are fully understood why they do what they do.

Please dont take chances. Go to your GP. I did. I was given Lexapro and within 1

1/2 weeks the symptoms lessened. Now I'm back to normal and off of any

medication.

 

Please Please don't let yourself suffer.....

 

David

 

grazzinik <grazzinik wrote:

 

Hi, Monica.

 

Your situation sounds like a combination of things. One being that

your acupuncturist didn't tell you that acupuncture can actually

cause the problems to intensify at the beginning. This doesn't

always happen, but it can; it can also affect other systems.

Everybody's bodies respond differently, but you should see an

improvement in a few treatments.

 

That being said...Jody is right that you should check the

credentials. I'm not sure from what you've said if it is a break-

down in communication between you and your practitioner (she/he

didn't explain things, you didn't understand...Chinese medical

terminology can be confusing if it's not explained well).

 

What the practitioner said about " not being strong enough " ...sounds

like another communication issue. It's not that you aren't strong

enough, but more that that tx was too strong for you at that

moment...points used, number of needles, length of time they are

retained, gauge used are all things that vary depending on the

pt's " strength " or that of the pathogen (when that applies).

Bottomline...there are adjustments that can be made.

 

If you do have a deficiency (hard to tell without seeing you,

checking pulse, tongue, other symptoms)... talks in

terms of excess, deficiency or a combination of the

two)...acupressure and massage would be good, acupuncture would be

better especially with herbs. If the herbs are given in a classical

formula, they have been combined to enhance the healing properties

and mitigate side-effects. It is always possible to have a

reaction, but they don't seem to be as common as drug reactions. I

have been using formulas for years and prescribing them, as

well...I'm struggling to think of one issue I've had. Probably if

the diagnosis wasn't quite right...eg. too many herbs for a

deficient patient...can tax an already taxed system. If you have

food allergies, advise your practitioner as many herbs/medicinals

are as the name sounds...from differnt parts of plants. If you are

still hesitant, ask for food therapy. If your practitioner has been

trained in TCM (Traditional ), he/she should be able

to recommend foods that will help & those to avoid.

 

Last thing...you said you had your heart checked out, and everything

was fine. I'm just wondering if they checked your thyroid at that

time, too. Sometimes those symptoms are related to elevated thyroid

levels. Acu & herbs should be able to help regardless, but you

might want to find out just so you're not worried about it.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Kris

 

 

acupuncture , " Jody " <jljahnke> wrote:

>

> Hi Monica

>

> I'm thinking that your acupuncturist may have been too agressive

with your treatment.

> Your diagnosis may indicate that you are too deficient for the

that treatment that was

> given. Unfortunitly from the outside, and not knowing the points

that were used, or what

> techniques were applied it is too hard to say if the treatment was

correct.

>

> Something good to remember make sure you check the education and

experience of your

> acupuncturist, just like you would any other professional.

>

> Acupressure would be less aggresive but acupuncture would still be

your best bet.

>

>

>

>

> acupuncture , Olly Ooops <ollyoops2002>

wrote:

> > I think that acupressure massage could help you. I get a

massage every week and it

> really helps me to relax which in turn relieves the palpitations.

> >

> > Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> > That's very interesting that others have similar symptoms. I

told the acupuncturist

> > what happened and she said that my body is probably " not strong

enough " for the

> > acupuncture, whatever that means, and that she'd rather put me

on herbs and

> > acupressure. At this point I'm skeptical after such a bad

experience. What do you

> > think? No one ever told me that you can not be strong enough for

treatment. I

> > thought that's what the treatment is for. I rather doubt that

acupressure can help with

> > palpitations. Also, I'm usually very sensitive to drugs, so I'm

a little cautious about

> > herbs I know nothing about.

> >

> > I'd still like to know if anyone had bad experiences with

acupuncture and if the body

> > bounces back after one treatment.

> >

> > Finally, how long do acupuncturists usually leave the needles

in? In my case she left

> > them for about half an hour, and I wonder if it wasn't too long.

> >

> >

> > acupuncture , Olly Ooops

<ollyoops2002> wrote:

> > > God, we HAVE the SAME symptoms. The acupuncture has helped

me. She also

> > gave me some herbs to take that made my symptoms worse so I

stopped those (Ease

> > Plus and Calm Spirit) There is an herbal remedy called THREE

IMMPRTALS that is

> > suppose to help the palpitations. After the first treatment, I

really didn't feel any

> > better and I still got the palpitations but after a couple of

treatments they got better.

> > i would keep going for a couple more times. What did the

acupuncturist say about it?

> > >

> > > PS-I also had all the heart tests done and my heart is fine.

All the symptoms are

> > triggered by anxiety and/or hormonal changes....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by friends

to give it a shot.

> > I've

> > > been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last year

(possibly hormonal),

> > > including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and

many others. Lately they

> > > had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but

still had problems on

> > > and off.

> > >

> > > I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first treatment

on Saturday. I didn't

> > > expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the worst

thing that could

> > > happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during

the treatment and

> > > started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's been

getting worse since. I

> > > couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad

palpitations today.

> > >

> > > Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What

could have gone

> > > wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If this

was triggered again by

> > the

> > > acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much

appreciated. I'm very

> > > upset about this whole episode.

> > >

> > > P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked over

the summer and I'm

> > > ok.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Monica.

 

In my humble opinion it sounds like you might be goint through a big

change in your life that is giving you great deal of stress. I see

it as stress causing your liver fire to rise creating heat in your

heart. I am wondering if the needles were inserted above the waist

first. In your case needles should be inserted below the waist to

drained the heat from your liver and then sooth your spirit. As

others have mentioned it is very difficult to know what you have

without seeing you but in my opinion if liver heat is cooled and

heart is soothed you should be ok.

 

Good luck.

Michael

acupuncture , " grazzinik " <grazzinik@h...>

wrote:

>

> Hi, Monica.

>

> Your situation sounds like a combination of things. One being

that

> your acupuncturist didn't tell you that acupuncture can actually

> cause the problems to intensify at the beginning. This doesn't

> always happen, but it can; it can also affect other systems.

> Everybody's bodies respond differently, but you should see an

> improvement in a few treatments.

>

> That being said...Jody is right that you should check the

> credentials. I'm not sure from what you've said if it is a break-

> down in communication between you and your practitioner (she/he

> didn't explain things, you didn't understand...Chinese medical

> terminology can be confusing if it's not explained well).

>

> What the practitioner said about " not being strong

enough " ...sounds

> like another communication issue. It's not that you aren't strong

> enough, but more that that tx was too strong for you at that

> moment...points used, number of needles, length of time they are

> retained, gauge used are all things that vary depending on the

> pt's " strength " or that of the pathogen (when that applies).

> Bottomline...there are adjustments that can be made.

>

> If you do have a deficiency (hard to tell without seeing you,

> checking pulse, tongue, other symptoms)... talks

in

> terms of excess, deficiency or a combination of the

> two)...acupressure and massage would be good, acupuncture would be

> better especially with herbs. If the herbs are given in a

classical

> formula, they have been combined to enhance the healing properties

> and mitigate side-effects. It is always possible to have a

> reaction, but they don't seem to be as common as drug reactions.

I

> have been using formulas for years and prescribing them, as

> well...I'm struggling to think of one issue I've had. Probably if

> the diagnosis wasn't quite right...eg. too many herbs for a

> deficient patient...can tax an already taxed system. If you have

> food allergies, advise your practitioner as many herbs/medicinals

> are as the name sounds...from differnt parts of plants. If you

are

> still hesitant, ask for food therapy. If your practitioner has

been

> trained in TCM (Traditional ), he/she should be

able

> to recommend foods that will help & those to avoid.

>

> Last thing...you said you had your heart checked out, and

everything

> was fine. I'm just wondering if they checked your thyroid at that

> time, too. Sometimes those symptoms are related to elevated

thyroid

> levels. Acu & herbs should be able to help regardless, but you

> might want to find out just so you're not worried about it.

>

> Hope that helps.

>

> Kris

>

>

> acupuncture , " Jody " <jljahnke> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Monica

> >

> > I'm thinking that your acupuncturist may have been too agressive

> with your treatment.

> > Your diagnosis may indicate that you are too deficient for the

> that treatment that was

> > given. Unfortunitly from the outside, and not knowing the points

> that were used, or what

> > techniques were applied it is too hard to say if the treatment

was

> correct.

> >

> > Something good to remember make sure you check the education and

> experience of your

> > acupuncturist, just like you would any other professional.

> >

> > Acupressure would be less aggresive but acupuncture would still

be

> your best bet.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > acupuncture , Olly Ooops

<ollyoops2002>

> wrote:

> > > I think that acupressure massage could help you. I get a

> massage every week and it

> > really helps me to relax which in turn relieves the palpitations.

> > >

> > > Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> > > That's very interesting that others have similar symptoms. I

> told the acupuncturist

> > > what happened and she said that my body is probably " not

strong

> enough " for the

> > > acupuncture, whatever that means, and that she'd rather put me

> on herbs and

> > > acupressure. At this point I'm skeptical after such a bad

> experience. What do you

> > > think? No one ever told me that you can not be strong enough

for

> treatment. I

> > > thought that's what the treatment is for. I rather doubt that

> acupressure can help with

> > > palpitations. Also, I'm usually very sensitive to drugs, so

I'm

> a little cautious about

> > > herbs I know nothing about.

> > >

> > > I'd still like to know if anyone had bad experiences with

> acupuncture and if the body

> > > bounces back after one treatment.

> > >

> > > Finally, how long do acupuncturists usually leave the needles

> in? In my case she left

> > > them for about half an hour, and I wonder if it wasn't too

long.

> > >

> > >

> > > acupuncture , Olly Ooops

> <ollyoops2002> wrote:

> > > > God, we HAVE the SAME symptoms. The acupuncture has helped

> me. She also

> > > gave me some herbs to take that made my symptoms worse so I

> stopped those (Ease

> > > Plus and Calm Spirit) There is an herbal remedy called THREE

> IMMPRTALS that is

> > > suppose to help the palpitations. After the first treatment,

I

> really didn't feel any

> > > better and I still got the palpitations but after a couple of

> treatments they got better.

> > > i would keep going for a couple more times. What did the

> acupuncturist say about it?

> > > >

> > > > PS-I also had all the heart tests done and my heart is

fine.

> All the symptoms are

> > > triggered by anxiety and/or hormonal changes....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Monica <monicasf@a...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I never tried acupuncture before and was encouraged by

friends

> to give it a shot.

> > > I've

> > > > been dealing with a lot of strange symptoms over the last

year

> (possibly hormonal),

> > > > including palpitations, shortness of breath, chest pain and

> many others. Lately they

> > > > had improved considerably and I was feeling much better, but

> still had problems on

> > > > and off.

> > > >

> > > > I decided to go to an acupuncturist and had my first

treatment

> on Saturday. I didn't

> > > > expect much from one treatment -- in fact I thought the

worst

> thing that could

> > > > happen woud be nothing at all. Whoa! I got nausiated during

> the treatment and

> > > > started having palpiations about an hour later, and it's

been

> getting worse since. I

> > > > couldn't sleep much of last night and I'm having real bad

> palpitations today.

> > > >

> > > > Have others had such bad experiences with acupuncture? What

> could have gone

> > > > wrong? I suppose it could be a fluke, but I doubt it. If

this

> was triggered again by

> > > the

> > > > acupuncture, will it go away? Any suggestions would be much

> appreciated. I'm very

> > > > upset about this whole episode.

> > > >

> > > > P.S. I have no heart problems -- I had everything checked

over

> the summer and I'm

> > > > ok.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >