ALL Trainings that are valid ARE kick-ass-rye, EVEN cop trainings

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--- , federalprisoncop@w... wrote:

> use force to subdue his skips. And, if he is not trained in

>anything other than kick-ass-ryu,

 

LOL.

 

I thought ALL THE TRAININGS that were valid, even valid police

trainings, were kick-ass-ryu...

 

....because if they aren't, you are the one that is going to get

curbed.

 

You missed what I said in my post, " he's going to NEED the cop

training certification, THEN he's going to need more realistic

training " ...

 

We are ON THE SAME PAGE.

 

I get cops coming to me for training time and time again BECAUSE

they don't get enough reality in THEIR training.

 

I am a ex cop. I am a past lieutenant on a County's Sheriff's

department, I am a past Lethal Force Trainer for Law Enforcement.

And I've done my cop training from BOTH sides of the fence...in fact

I've no longer any clue to what " pieces of paper " I have from those

organizations BECAUSE they don't mean much to me. And you do know

what I'm refering to.

 

And it don't matter. We are on the same page.

 

The training must be real...the training must work...This is ONE OF

THE ARENAS only!

 

Then you better know what to say and do BEFORE the altercation...

 

....how you must appear to any bystanders...

 

....and what you MUST NOT say and do after the encounter.

 

....and I have been sued...and I won!

 

>he's going to lose his house one day. MOST states will allow a

> " bonded agent " (not necessarily a BONDING agent) to attend their

>police academy, if that agent is going to be arresting folks in

>that state.

 

Yes. If he doesn't understand and prepare his legal " appearance "

first (as stated above) and he meets a smart lawyer, and he's done

some action incorrectly enough so that it's no longer the " job " but

something else, then he'll have troubles.

 

Again, proper training and role playing BEFORE any situation arises

pretty much takes care of this.

 

>I am basing my suggestions on what Mas taught us,

 

NO. You are basing your tactics upon the premise of fear, and that

is NOT what Mas teaches, but it is a PART of what Mas teaches.

 

You don't put the fear of " legal repercussions " in the dominant

place in your training. It needs to be there but NOT as the umbrella

that covers everything you think and do. At least not in my world.

 

Now, we are going into psychological " rules " structures, which this

is probably not the best place to discuss this.

 

>I can almost guarantee: if even I (a highly trained, professional

>LE officer) say to a jury that I " grabbed him by the throat " , they

>are going to take my house and give it to the perp. But, if I

>say, " I applied the 'c-clamp choke-hold technique' which is taught

>at the GA Police Academy " they will have to turn their attention to

>my training records, what the instructor said about my level of

>proficiency, and he can then sue the State of GA for training me

> wrong, as long as I did it to their approved methods.

 

You just PROVED MY POINT.

 

We are ON THE SAME PAGE...

 

And there is another point that you made, but probably unconsciously.

 

Here's that point.

 

There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between MARKETING A SKILL or technology to

the common folk, than there is in training a Law Enforcement officer.

 

What is necessary to say to a teenager, one who is attempting to

grown into his power, is totally abhorrant to one that is in Law

Enforcement. And vica versa.

 

>He will only learn " grab 'em by the throat " in karate class; he

>will learn " apply the following approved technique... " in the

>academy.

 

You are talking about the incorrect use of semantics.

 

Well, NOT in my classes.

 

We have better semantics than that.

 

We teach to all of them what to do, what to say, how to set-up the

situation.

 

They also know what is legal, where the research source materials

are, and whom to quote.

 

And we do use words that motivate them to do the drill in a

motivated manner.

 

But I do agree that most people teaching self-defense are ignorant

of any legalities on how they look, to how they perform, and to what

they say and do after the fact.

 

Well said.

 

> himself. BUT, he can protect himself LEGALLY, by using one of the

approved

> (preferably in his state) techniques taught at his local

academy... ...which he

> CAN attend, if he is a " bonded agent of the court " (although he'll

need a

> sponsor in GA, someone like the local sheriff's dept.).

 

Well, that is one way.

 

Now there are OTHER ways.

 

For example, his company he works for HAS THE PHYSICAL RESOURCES AND

THE LEGAL RESOURCES that he is supposed to know, use and conform to.

 

As Roy stated in his original post, " it ain't enough " ...he want's

more of a gray line besides carrying a gun and shooting them.

 

Which is very commendable of him. I know guys that want to shoot

others just because...

 

So, there are reference materials that Roy can read, study, take

notes from, and then memorize. Later on if needed HE HAS HIS

MATERIALS available in ADVANCE.

 

You've mentioned some good ones. And I've mentioned some good ones.

Now it's up to him to go find them, and others, and read and study

and apply.

 

What else is there?

 

The only reason I posted at all was because the " kid " did his speech

about " the best thing out there is traditional karate " ...

 

It's been a nice conversation guys.

 

And what's even nicer, last night I went onto amazon and bought all

the recent books on the topic, and topic that I've NOT paid much

attention to in about 9 years.

 

My thanks to you for that.

 

 

ALL Trainings that are valid ARE kick-ass-rye, EVEN cop trainings