The creative coil in the (male) acupuncture kidney channel.

[Guest guest]

I see one problem right away with your comparison of male and female

pathways - you're viewing the male loop from a " sagittal plane

section " view and the female from a " vertical plane section. "

 

And when do the male testicals descend? Before or after the KI

channel is formed?

 

-RoseAnne

 

 

 

On Jan 18, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Stefano Marcelli wrote:

 

> Hi all.

> This is the first group of TCM practitioners, where I try to share a

> little observation in the acupuncture field with a consequent

> hypotesis.

>

> " In my opinion, the path of the Kidney Acupuncture Channel in the foot

> as it is described in Traditional Classics, is

> wrongly considered identical both in males and females. Basing my

> statement on anatomical correlations, which I presume nobody has found

> till now, the Kidney Acupuncture Channel in the foot (and ankle)

> should have the shape of a coil only in males. "

>

> If you are interested in it, click the following link, where theory

> and pictures are exposed:

>

> http://www.meso.it/circleinkidneychannel.en.htm

>

> Regards,

>

> Stefano Marcelli MD

> Acupuncturist in Italy.

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[Guest guest]

Dear RoseAnne,

thank you very much for your message.

You are right. I've just published also an image of female

reproductive system on sagittal plane.

 

You find it always at:

 

http://www.meso.it/circleinkidneychannel.sagittal.en.htm

 

Your other questions are very difficult to deal. I try: if the

channels are the formative, creative forces, they must exist

necessarily before the body exists. So, if this is true the testicles

descend when the Qi in the channel begins to work in organizing the

matter as cells, tissues etc.

 

Stefano MD

Acupuncturist in Italy.

 

Chinese Medicine , RoseAnne Spradlin

<ra6151 wrote:

 

> I see one problem right away with your comparison of male and female

> pathways - you're viewing the male loop from a " sagittal plane

> section " view and the female from a " vertical plane section. "

>

> And when do the male testicals descend? Before or after the KI

> channel is formed?

>

> -RoseAnne

[Guest guest]

Hey, Stefano,

 

It is an interesting topic! Do you have any date to support your figures? I

am waiting for more information from you!

 

Actually I was trained in both western and Chinese medicine ways I am in the

US now. I have researched on acupuncture and herbal medicine treating

illness which related immune function disorder recently, have a great clinical

results, it not only heal asthma, allergies and also autoimmune diseases, like

RA, hyper and hypothyroidism..., the treatment pattern also benefit to

anti-aging,...

 

I think, Chinese medical principle is treating illness based on analysis

over all symptoms and tongue and pulse that mean is Chinese medicine includes

acupuncture and herbal medicine could treat pathologic process of illness but

not the symptoms, because of the symptoms, tongue and pulse are the expression

of the pathologic change in western medicine. that is generally people said

Chinese medicine treats root of the problem!

 

I'd like hear from you and every one!

 

 

 

Wanzhu Hou, C.M.D., L.Ac., C.H.

 

All Natural Medicine Clinic

4801 Randolph Rd.

Rockville, MD 20852

301-770-4480

anmedicine.com

 

 

In a message dated 2/11/2009 12:58:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

stefanomarcelli writes:

 

 

 

 

Hi Lauren, hi all.

What I'm going to show you concernes only the field of acupuncture

channels. If you know it any more please give a glance to this link:

_http://www.meso.http://www.meso.http://wwhttp:/_

(http://www.meso.it/circleinkidneychannel.EN.htm)

Let me know if and how it is of your interest.

Ciao,

Stefano Marcelli

MD acupuncturist in Italy

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

have you proven your interpretation with your patients?

pls advise

 

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Hi Lauren, hi all.

What I'm going to show you concernes only the field of acupuncture

channels. If you know it any more please give a glance to this link:

http://www.meso. it/circleinkidne ychannel. EN.htm

Let me know if and how it is of your interest.

Ciao,

Stefano Marcelli

MD acupuncturist in Italy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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acupuncture , felipe tan <ftan11 wrote:

 

 

Thanks for your answer, Felipe.

No, I am sorry, I have not prove with patients.

At the moment it is only a theory.

Stefano

 

 

 

> have you proven your interpretation with your patients?

> pls advise

>

> --- 2009年2月8日 星期日，Stefano Marcelli <stefanomarcelli

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>

> 寄件人: Stefano Marcelli <stefanomarcelli

> 主題: acupuncture The creative coil in the (male) acupuncture kidney

channel.

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>

>

> Hi Lauren, hi all.

> What I'm going to show you concernes only the field of acupuncture

> channels. If you know it any more please give a glance to this link:

> http://www.meso. it/circleinkidne ychannel. EN.htm

> Let me know if and how it is of your interest.

> Ciao,

> Stefano Marcelli

> MD acupuncturist in Italy

>

>

 

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Wanzhu Hou.

Figures themselves are data which support the idea.

I deduce the difference between male and female kidney channels in foot-ankle

because the sexual organs are very different for shape and function, also if

complementary.

Chinese herbal medicine doesn't need to be supported by qi channels system as

acupuncture does. You could prescribe one herb or a combination of herbs without

to know where channels and points are involved. The patiens say you " I'm very

cold " and you will use a warming combination of herbs.

The herbal treatment probably came after the acupuncture treatment, when old

chinese (and also western people) had already lose the " qi vision " to which I

refer in my observation and theory.

If you open the chinese herbal bible tha is " Bensky and Gamble " book, very

rarely you could find something about the channels, besides the generic " channel

entered " row. Nearly everyone can feel that rou gui is acrid, hot and sweet, but

I heard nobody says having felt it has entered the liver channel... We can

perceive the organs as they are described in wester anatomy, especially when

they are ill and changed in volume, but nobody can see the channels as they are

described in the classic maps.

Western science makes possible to see the bones by the mean of X-rays. Within a

few years postmortem examination will not be necessary any more, because the CT

examination will be enhanced enough to show us every anatomic detail without the

doctors cut the corpses.

I want to say that herbs are in sinthony with the actual way to feel and

perceive. You see the herb, you taste it, you feel its by your senses. You

cannot see, cannot taste, cannot feel the channels. And if someone can it,

cannot absolutely demonstrate it.

Last thing: amongs the senses we, as modern men, have elected the sight as

dictator. Nobody would prefer being blind rather than deaf, blind rather than

without taste or touch.

For this reason I want the acupuncture to become " evident " .

Friendly,

 

Stefano Marcelli

Acupuncturist in Italy

 

 

 

In acupuncture , drjudyhou wrote:

>

> Hey, Stefano,

>

> It is an interesting topic! Do you have any date to support your figures? I

> am waiting for more information from you!

>

> Actually I was trained in both western and Chinese medicine ways I am in the

> US now. I have researched on acupuncture and herbal medicine treating

> illness which related immune function disorder recently, have a great

clinical

> results, it not only heal asthma, allergies and also autoimmune diseases,

like

> RA, hyper and hypothyroidism..., the treatment pattern also benefit to

> anti-aging,...

>

> I think, Chinese medical principle is treating illness based on analysis

> over all symptoms and tongue and pulse that mean is Chinese medicine includes

> acupuncture and herbal medicine could treat pathologic process of illness but

> not the symptoms, because of the symptoms, tongue and pulse are the

expression

> of the pathologic change in western medicine. that is generally people said

> Chinese medicine treats root of the problem!

>

> I'd like hear from you and every one!

>

>

>

> Wanzhu Hou, C.M.D., L.Ac., C.H.

>

> All Natural Medicine Clinic

> 4801 Randolph Rd.

> Rockville, MD 20852

> 301-770-4480

> anmedicine.com

>

>

> In a message dated 2/11/2009 12:58:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> stefanomarcelli writes:

>

>

>

>

> Hi Lauren, hi all.

> What I'm going to show you concernes only the field of acupuncture

> channels. If you know it any more please give a glance to this link:

> _http://www.meso.http://www.meso.http://wwhttp:/_

> (http://www.meso.it/circleinkidneychannel.EN.htm)

> Let me know if and how it is of your interest.

> Ciao,

> Stefano Marcelli

> MD acupuncturist in Italy

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