Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 You must be drunk. Do you really want to get 15 per treatment? --- On Fri, 2/6/09, waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope wrote: waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope acupuncture New health care plan acupuncture Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:03 PM Looking for folks to join in the promotion of coverage for TCM in any new health plan developed by the obama administration. PM me if interested in developing the proposal... I have a connection to the new gov't. so anything produced may actually get some attention. regards, dr.w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Dr. W, Pardon my ignorance, but what is TCM? -Nancy W. acupuncture [acupuncture ] On Behalf Of john howard Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:37 PM acupuncture Re: acupuncture New health care plan You must be drunk. Do you really want to get 15 per treatment? --- On Fri, 2/6/09, waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope <dr.w.w.waldrope%40gmail.com> > wrote: waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope <dr.w.w.waldrope%40gmail.com> > acupuncture New health care plan acupuncture <acupuncture%40> Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:03 PM Looking for folks to join in the promotion of coverage for TCM in any new health plan developed by the obama administration. PM me if interested in developing the proposal... I have a connection to the new gov't. so anything produced may actually get some attention. regards, dr.w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 acupuncture , john howard <johnhoward71 wrote: >No, John. I'm not drunk. Are you a simpleton? It's not about $15/tx. It's about an office visit, an acupuncture tx, some herbs... bodywork. Obviously there has to be reasonable compensation. Anyone interested in a constructive conversation? I am not a big fan of the current trend in " working-class " acupuncture (I applaud the sentiment...I have patients that I treat for free) as I feel that it could work to erode the market rate eventually. As I understand it, the rates at some of these clinics are very low; and I understand John's sentiment. If John needs more $$ for what he does then he should charge it... if it's worth it, people will always pay a specialist more. Still, everyone should have access and that is the point of inclusion in a new healthcare system. This " new " system does not appear overnight but in steps and phases. Better to be at the table in the beginning. My opinion is that integration is critical to the future of our profession. That does not mean that everyone has to take that approach, but until a few more hospitals , medical clinics, etc. incorporate acudocs into their staff and services, TCM will be a marginal " alternative " , " 2nd rate at best " medical system in the U.S. What better time to have some influence over a process that could be a huge boon to the profession as a whole? Also, think of the impact on health and wellness in this country if everyone could have access to acupuncture, medicinal herbs and bodywork. The savings over a generation would more than pay for our services. What if TCM docs became the primary care providers in more than a couple or three states? The current allopathic system is so flawed that most MD's are unable to provide any kind of quality primary care and I think we would all agree that the TCM model is better suited for this anyway. Broader acceptance has to start somewhere. TCM has gotten this far as a result of patient demand. To go further will require concerted political efforts. [if you haven't noticed, while the MD's are more open than in the past, our real challenge is big pharma and their minions in the FDA. They bash us with one hand while co-opting our medicine with the other.] As noted by the AAAOM recently, only about 5% of practitioners belong to a state or national org. {As I have only been in my current practice about 18 mos., I will join as soon as I have the $$$... no kidding. Just need one more patient per week for real... it's in my business plan. It's that important,} Don't like the way your state or nat'l. org. functions (or doesn't)?? Join and change it. Personally, I would rather use this time to read a journal or something. I abhor politics, but now is the time to really influence the future of TCM in the U.S. Note: The chiro's were in the same boat until they organized and ACTED!! So, John, it's not about $15 treatments... it's much more complex. Now I believe I'll go have a drink;) cheers, dr.w > You must be drunk. Do you really want to get 15 per treatment? > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope wrote: > waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope > acupuncture New health care plan > acupuncture > Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:03 PM > > > > > > Looking for folks to join in the promotion of coverage for TCM in any new health plan > > developed by the obama administration. PM me if interested in developing the proposal... I > > have a connection to the new gov't. so anything produced may actually get some attention. > > > > regards, > > > > dr.w > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 TCM stands for " Traditional . " It is a standardized form of what is colloquially referred to as " Traditional . " - " Nancy Waldren " <nwald <acupuncture > Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:27 PM RE: acupuncture New health care plan > Dr. W, > > Pardon my ignorance, but what is TCM? > > -Nancy W. > > > > acupuncture [acupuncture ] On > Behalf Of john howard > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:37 PM > acupuncture > Re: acupuncture New health care plan > > > > You must be drunk. Do you really want to get 15 per treatment? > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope > <dr.w.w.waldrope%40gmail.com> > wrote: > waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope > <dr.w.w.waldrope%40gmail.com> > > acupuncture New health care plan > acupuncture <acupuncture%40> > Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:03 PM > > Looking for folks to join in the promotion of coverage for TCM in any new > health plan > > developed by the obama administration. PM me if interested in developing > the > proposal... I > > have a connection to the new gov't. so anything produced may actually get > some attention. > > regards, > > dr.w > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 acupuncture , " Mercurius Trismegistus " <magisterium_magnum wrote: >Thanks Mercurius ( " the lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding. " ) Sorry Nancy, I got distracted by Johns reply. Yes, " Traditional " This is the term used by the pertinent national certification and state licensing folks. The history of Chinese Folk Medicine is quite interesting and spiritually rich. After the communist revolution in China, the gov't needed some way to provide healthcare to millions. They rounded up the masters and, under pain of death, forced them to create a modular, non-spiritual system that they trained a couple a hundred thousand " barefoot doctors " in and sent them out into the country side. This is, with significantly more depth, what is taught in schools today. This is a close corollary to our current health care situation. Western medicine is increasingly unable to provide decent PRIMARY care. Given the field specialization and reliance on pharmaceutical, technological and surgical sledgehammers (hey, sometimes you need a big hammer), primary care should fall to natural doctors (yes, i said it...doctors. (If you practice in a state that will not allow you to call yourself a doctor and practice primary care, then you have work to do...for the good of the profession and our patients...change it.) allopathic medicine is much better suited to secondary (general Rx medicine) care and tertiary (emergency / critical) care. According to the $$$, the public is already driving things in this direction. (yes, John, I here you. Just be really good and charge more. Believe me, the market can handle it. BTW, what's your take on " working class " acupuncture?) It is also interesting to note that the masters still managed to retain the spiritual essence of the system so that it would not be lost...you can't kill spirit. Some have called for a distinction between TCM and CCM (Classic Chinese Medicine)-more Taoist spiritulism. As for a bit of interest, here are a few links that everyone should explore: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/a/2009/01/12/chopra011209.DTL http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/newsletters/03222009.htm is this for real? Don't forget folks... " they " are still out there...er...here. Also OBTW, Kudos to AAAOM for taking a stand. Please check out their website and donate if you can. cheers, dr.w > TCM stands for " Traditional . " It is a standardized form of > what is colloquially referred to as " Traditional . " > > > > > - > " Nancy Waldren " <nwald > <acupuncture > > Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:27 PM > RE: acupuncture New health care plan > > > > Dr. W, > > > > Pardon my ignorance, but what is TCM? > > > > -Nancy W. > > > > > > > > acupuncture [acupuncture ] On > > Behalf Of john howard > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:37 PM > > acupuncture > > Re: acupuncture New health care plan > > > > > > > > You must be drunk. Do you really want to get 15 per treatment? > > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope > > <dr.w.w.waldrope%40gmail.com> > wrote: > > waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope > > <dr.w.w.waldrope%40gmail.com> > > > acupuncture New health care plan > > acupuncture <acupuncture%40> > > Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:03 PM > > > > Looking for folks to join in the promotion of coverage for TCM in any new > > health plan > > > > developed by the obama administration. PM me if interested in developing > > the > > proposal... I > > > > have a connection to the new gov't. so anything produced may actually get > > some attention. > > > > regards, > > > > dr.w > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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