The SHADY Side of the Law, and lie detection!!!

[Guest guest]

docspeed2001 wrote:

 

>This is sort of funny, and I did it because I was curious...

>

>This morning, a man came in for a SPECIAL PROBLEM...

>

>He had a 10:00 appointment with the justice department and a lie

>dectector test...

>

>So, I taught him a bunch of stuff...

>

>And then I totally did an erasher technique, after I blew

>the " concern " out with Energy Psychology.

>

>So, group.

>

>Is this a VALID USE of my skills?

>

Hell No!....Why should you ever protect anyone scared from being beaten,

bloodied and bruised by govn't thugs?

 

But Wait.....Theres Alot here that you may have accidently left out.....

 

For Instance, If this person was even able to get an appoitment with

you...that means you already went through the screening process and

qualified him as a good guy, who could really learn your stuff and more

importantly, use it in an honorable way.

 

PLUS, the fact, that he turned to you for help...Shows he is probably

one of the wisest folks in town and was simply scared shitless and needs

an objective perspective from a skilled person.

 

Your Character is the degree to which you live your life Consistently

with High Values of Being " at Cause " to enhance your life. A person who

lacks character is one who compromises on higher order values in favor

of lower order expedience, or who has no values at all. Your sticking to

what you believe to be right and true is the real measure of the person

you have become to this moment.

 

>I mean, BESIDES having lots of fun screwing with the local gestapo?

>

 

I think that often, people lose their focus and to some degree, their

identity, when some event happens to them that leaves them scared

shitless. and so when they are calm, they know who they are and can make

wise decisions...But when you are frantic about being attacked, killed

or worse....under investigation by Power-hungry Dudley Do-Wrongs, then

you are so dis-associated, that it often takes a friend, mentor or

family member to Ground you... Which I think is what you basically did

for this fellow..

 

You helped ground him, by taking away his own fear of being attacked,

by removing that filter, so he can deal rationally with the real events

not his Imagined events...You didn't hide him...You didn't show him how

to change his name and looks and run away from those thugs, You didn't

feed his fear, You showed him how to stand up to them, with integrity,

honor and wisdom.

 

Which if the local Gestapo has some bad apples in it, then he will need

every piece of ammunition and tools for " staying " at cause during the

rollercoaster ride of emotions, and confrontations.

 

God Job, Doc!

 

Richard.

 

p.s. You said you did it, because you was curious?? Curious if he did

something bad? or Curious how you could fix him or Curious if you could

help him win his battle with the local Gestapo??? Im finding myself

curious about What you were curious about and how you knew approach Wood

work the best for him???

[Guest guest]

Even though I set my messages to Plain Text..I just found out that my

email program automatically sent the HTML format Automatically to any

emails with in it. So now, I set .com as a Plain Text

recipient... So here is my post again, in plain text

 

Richard Cinta wrote:

 

>docspeed2001 wrote:

>

>

>

>>This is sort of funny, and I did it because I was curious...

>>

>>This morning, a man came in for a SPECIAL PROBLEM...

>>

>>He had a 10:00 appointment with the justice department and a lie

>>dectector test...

>>

>>So, I taught him a bunch of stuff...

>>

>>And then I totally did an erasher technique, after I blew

>>the " concern " out with Energy Psychology.

>>

>>So, group.

>>

>>Is this a VALID USE of my skills?

>>

>>

>>

>Hell No!....Why should you ever protect anyone scared from being beaten,

>bloodied and bruised by govn't thugs?

>

>But Wait.....Theres Alot here that you may have accidently left out.....

>

>For Instance, If this person was even able to get an appoitment with

>you...that means you already went through the screening process and

>qualified him as a good guy, who could really learn your stuff and more

>importantly, use it in an honorable way.

>

>PLUS, the fact, that he turned to you for help...Shows he is probably

>one of the wisest folks in town and was simply scared shitless and needs

>an objective perspective from a skilled person.

>

>Your Character is the degree to which you live your life Consistently

>with High Values of Being " at Cause " to enhance your life. A person who

>lacks character is one who compromises on higher order values in favor

>of lower order expedience, or who has no values at all. Your sticking to

>what you believe to be right and true is the real measure of the person

>you have become to this moment.

>

>

>

>>I mean, BESIDES having lots of fun screwing with the local gestapo?

>>

>>

>>

>

>I think that often, people lose their focus and to some degree, their

>identity, when some event happens to them that leaves them scared

>shitless. and so when they are calm, they know who they are and can make

>wise decisions...But when you are frantic about being attacked, killed

>or worse....under investigation by Power-hungry Dudley Do-Wrongs, then

>you are so dis-associated, that it often takes a friend, mentor or

>family member to Ground you... Which I think is what you basically did

>for this fellow..

>

>You helped ground him, by taking away his own fear of being attacked,

>by removing that filter, so he can deal rationally with the real events

>not his Imagined events...You didn't hide him...You didn't show him how

>to change his name and looks and run away from those thugs, You didn't

>feed his fear, You showed him how to stand up to them, with integrity,

>honor and wisdom.

>

>Which if the local Gestapo has some bad apples in it, then he will need

>every piece of ammunition and tools for " staying " at cause during the

>rollercoaster ride of emotions, and confrontations.

>

>God Job, Doc!

>

>Richard.

>

>p.s. You said you did it, because you was curious?? Curious if he did

>something bad? or Curious how you could fix him or Curious if you could

>help him win his battle with the local Gestapo??? Im finding myself

>curious about What you were curious about and how you knew approach Wood

>work the best for him???

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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> Is this a VALID USE of my skills?

 

Depends... What do you mean by " valid " ?

 

If you mean " producing the desired results " , well, we'd have to ask your

client. (Mind you, it also depends on what results YOU desired, doesn't it?)

 

If you mean " ethical " , well, that depends on the circumstances. There isn't

enough information in your email.

 

Blessings,

 

Paddy

[Guest guest]

I'm curious as to what you mean by " erasher technique " . Can the eraser be done

REMOTELY, and AGAINST someone else, so that they have perfect amnesia and / or

false memories?

 

It would be a real trip to take a crooked cop and have him give different forms

of testimony on different days, all under oath.

 

I wonder how you would do that... I mean, since it IS possible to do it via

hypnosis, and since it IS possible to do remote hypnosis, via remote

influencing...

 

Most brainwashing programs are non-stop, though, so I wonder what the best way

to do that via RI would be?

 

Yeah, I Know I took what you said and asked a different question instead, but

you already know my answer to the question you asked.

 

Thanks, Doc!

Jim

 

 

 

 

 

docspeed2001 <docspeed2001

Jun 10, 2005 1:48 PM

 

The SHADY Side of the Law, and lie

detection!!!

 

This is sort of funny, and I did it because I was curious...

 

This morning, a man came in for a SPECIAL PROBLEM...

 

He had a 10:00 appointment with the justice department and a lie

dectector test...

 

So, I taught him a bunch of stuff...

 

And then I totally did an erasher technique, after I blew

the " concern " out with Energy Psychology.

 

So, group.

 

Is this a VALID USE of my skills?

 

I mean, BESIDES having lots of fun screwing with the local gestapo?

 

 

[Guest guest]

" Crooked " according to whom?

 

Shine!

 

Mark Perkins

mark

http://www.onenessjourneys.com

 

 

 

James R. Knippenberg wrote:

 

>

> I'm curious as to what you mean by " erasher technique " . Can the

> eraser be done REMOTELY, and AGAINST someone else, so that they have

> perfect amnesia and / or false memories?

>

> It would be a real trip to take a crooked cop and have him give

> different forms of testimony on different days, all under oath.

>

> I wonder how you would do that... I mean, since it IS possible to do

> it via hypnosis, and since it IS possible to do remote hypnosis, via

> remote influencing...

>

> Most brainwashing programs are non-stop, though, so I wonder what the

> best way to do that via RI would be?

>

> Yeah, I Know I took what you said and asked a different question

> instead, but you already know my answer to the question you asked.

>

> Thanks, Doc!

> Jim

>

>

>

>

>

> docspeed2001 <docspeed2001

> Jun 10, 2005 1:48 PM

>

> The SHADY Side of the Law,

> and lie detection!!!

>

> This is sort of funny, and I did it because I was curious...

>

> This morning, a man came in for a SPECIAL PROBLEM...

>

> He had a 10:00 appointment with the justice department and a lie

> dectector test...

>

> So, I taught him a bunch of stuff...

>

> And then I totally did an erasher technique, after I blew

> the " concern " out with Energy Psychology.

>

> So, group.

>

> Is this a VALID USE of my skills?

>

> I mean, BESIDES having lots of fun screwing with the local gestapo?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------

> *

[Guest guest]

Or " correct " or " right " according to whom? Just because someone hold a title

or wears a uniform it doesn't make them right or wrong... It cuts both ways.

 

 

>

>

> On

> Behalf Of Mark Perkins

> Friday, June 10, 2005 6:36 PM

>

> Re: The SHADY Side

> of the Law, and lie detection!!!

>

> " Crooked " according to whom?

>

> Shine!

>

> Mark Perkins

> mark

> http://www.onenessjourneys.com

>

>

>

> James R. Knippenberg wrote:

>

> >

> > I'm curious as to what you mean by " erasher technique " . Can the

> > eraser be done REMOTELY, and AGAINST someone else, so that

> they have

> > perfect amnesia and / or false memories?

> >

> > It would be a real trip to take a crooked cop and have him give

> > different forms of testimony on different days, all under oath.

> >

> > I wonder how you would do that... I mean, since it IS

> possible to do

> > it via hypnosis, and since it IS possible to do remote

> hypnosis, via

> > remote influencing...

> >

> > Most brainwashing programs are non-stop, though, so I

> wonder what the

> > best way to do that via RI would be?

> >

> > Yeah, I Know I took what you said and asked a different question

> > instead, but you already know my answer to the question you asked.

> >

> > Thanks, Doc!

> > Jim

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > docspeed2001 <docspeed2001

> > Jun 10, 2005 1:48 PM

> >

> > The SHADY Side

> of the Law,

> > and lie detection!!!

> >

> > This is sort of funny, and I did it because I was curious...

> >

> > This morning, a man came in for a SPECIAL PROBLEM...

> >

> > He had a 10:00 appointment with the justice department and a lie

> > dectector test...

> >

> > So, I taught him a bunch of stuff...

> >

> > And then I totally did an erasher technique, after I blew the

> > " concern " out with Energy Psychology.

> >

> > So, group.

> >

> > Is this a VALID USE of my skills?

> >

> > I mean, BESIDES having lots of fun screwing with the local gestapo?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> ----

> > --

> > *

[Guest guest]

, Mark Perkins

<mark@o...> wrote:

> " Crooked " according to whom?

 

Meta-model violations are NOT normally gone after here, UNLESS YOU

DO MUCH MORE than the going after!

 

So, if you do it, as I do all the time (all?), THEN notice where it

leads, and does not lead...

 

FAIR?

 

The presuppostions in both posts were fairly clear. Lets' get past

beginner's NLP 101.

 

Maybe at least go as far as the Clarity Model.

 

What do you think?

 

 

[Guest guest]

I did not mean to imply a presupposition. My query was to open the floor

to a more complete analysis of our impressions of a situation.

Crooked...honest...good...bad...white...black...mauve...etc. They are

individual perceptions of a situation. Look at it from a different view

point and the colors change. My query was meant to ask the question,

when we use our gifts to influence others based on our impression of a

situation without first seeing the situation from the other's eyes,

whose purpose are we serving?

 

Shine!

 

Mark Perkins

mark

http://www.onenessjourneys.com

 

 

 

docspeed2001 wrote:

 

> , Mark Perkins

> <mark@o...> wrote:

> > " Crooked " according to whom?

>

> Meta-model violations are NOT normally gone after here, UNLESS YOU

> DO MUCH MORE than the going after!

>

> So, if you do it, as I do all the time (all?), THEN notice where it

> leads, and does not lead...

>

> FAIR?

>

> The presuppostions in both posts were fairly clear. Lets' get past

> beginner's NLP 101.

>

> Maybe at least go as far as the Clarity Model.

>

> What do you think?

>

>