Why Hypnosis Will Never Be a Primary Healing Source

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I have to agree with the Doc on this one. Hypnosis is not going mainstream

because there are too many in the medical community that are vocal detractors.

 

The way the system is set up right now, there's no money in promoting a

methodology that people could use by themselves and not involve large

corporations.

 

It doesn't matter if it's combined with energy work; as long as the present

system is in place (where pharmaceutical companies reign supreme), hypnosis

will be relegated to the back of the bus.

 

Besides, only a small percentage of the majority believe in the power of the

mind. Most people have the unfortunate belief that any " power " comes from

outside themselves.

 

It's just the way things are. Hypnosis is doomed to be a second class citizen.

 

People who come to us for healing don't care about whether we give them

hypnosis or not. They just want to be better.

 

So, I don't think it matters what connection hypnosis has to other new-agey

methods. The separation will not elevate its acceptance to a large degree.

 

Yours for more Power,

Lucas

 

, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

 

> --- RON NODVIK <rnod@> wrote:

 

> > I throw in behind Tom on this one, Dr. John. Some of us here,

> >particularly in this group, believe that one of the persistent

> >problems hypnosis has had in going mainstream and serving more to

> >the public is how it's been confounded with metaphysics and energy

> >work.

 

> Well, I agree that the public is PURPOSIFULLY MISINFORMED by the

> medical profession and the FDA about the valid and useful benefits

> of hypnosis.

 

> You are USING tools from hypnosis, and conditioning (again read

> Salter and Bandler about anchoring technologies) to help them get

> from where they are to where they want to go.

>

> Of course they don't want hypnosis!

>

> They want solutions, and quick and easy ways to get those solutions.

>

> >Hypnosis works just fine all by itself without going out on a limb

> without an Occam's

> >razor. Once you do, you're getting into religious-land where

> there's no popular

> >consensus or agreement.

>

> Sorry.

>

> I don't know what a Occam's razor is.

>

> And, you are stating something that I did NOT state, when YOU equate

> other aspects like energy testing with fakery.

>

> Please notice that I did give VALID and VERIFIABLE resources from

> scientific and psychological AUTHORITIES in those fields that have

> evidence that is irrefutable. And it is NOT my problem if people

> choose to delete what they are afraid of learning, or that they

> choose NOT to learn.

>

> > When one adds spiritual assertions that are not universally

> >recognized or commonly >agreed to,

>

> I do NOT know what you mean when you state " spiritual assertions " .

> So, please give me the hypnotic operators of those two words if you

> would.

>

> I do know that an assertion is a positive statement about something

> WITHOUT verification.

>

> That is NOT what I did. Again, I did quote authorities. Now, if you

> don't want to study, that is not my problem, and I don't care;-)

>

> Hypnosis is a mind tool. Mesmerism is a mind tool. Mesmerism is

> hypnosis with energy. (read Thomas J. Hudson, or Ingo Swann).

>

> You with your above assertions are going against what Mark taught

> in " Thought Crimes in Taos " , which was about how to install your own

> tailor made beliefs. That does NOT mean to ignore valid beliefs.

>

> >Please explain in basic hypnotic those tenets are put forward at

> >the expense of >excluding those who do not share those beliefs,

> >resulting in a massive public disservice. >That's why Joe six-pack

> >can't tell hypnosis from magic, because most hypnotists fail to

> >make that distinction for themselves.

>

> I disagree totally.

>

> I think that it's all BAD MARKETING on the part of the hypnotist,

> the NLP Trainer, and the Energy Psychologist.

>

> The following is very important for those who want to make money

> training people.

>

> I think that Joe six-pack doesn't want hypnosis, or NLP, or energy

> work, or energy psychology.

>

> Joe six-pack just wants a solution to the problem he has. It is

> ALMOST ALWAYS an " away-from " something behavior.

>

> " I'm too fat " . I'm depressed. I'm ugly. I'm stupid. I'm sick. I'm

> sad. I'm afraid to speak in front of others (shy), blab, blab, blab. "

>

> >That's also contributes as to why many people only finally decide

> >to see a hypnotist >after they couldn't find " Witchdoctor " in the

> >phone book; and why hypnotists in >Redondo Beach have to register

> >as " fortune tellers. "

>

> Nope. NOT the case.

>

> When I moved here to the back woods of Oregon back in 87, I

> advertised in three different sections of the telephone book. The

> hypnosis section. The Psychology section. And the Sports

> Performance section. In one year NOT one call from the Psychology

> section.

>

> People did NOT want a Psychologist!

>

> But from the Sports Performance section, I got 40 plus calls a month

> (except for Christmas season and August)!

>

> And from the hypnosis section, maybe 5 calls a month.

>

> So, after that first year I dropped all those ads.

>

> Now, what does that mean?

>

> Again, this is REAL important to Tom's question about what to do

> with his hypnosis training so he can make money.

>

> So, what does the above information mean?

>

> Here's another hypnotic metaphor. I received my first NLP Trainer's

> certification from a great Hypnotist and NLP trainer, Bill Harris.

> Notice that Bill is a millionaire many times over. And he does NOT

> sell hypnosis. He does NOT sell NLP. So, do a google search and

> notice what he sells.

>

> When John LaValle asked me if I wanted to be certified under Richard

> Bandler, I said " sure " , but I don't teach NLP. John just looked at

> me, then said, " I know what you do. It's awesome! " And Richard and

> John certified me as a Trainer of NLP though I still do NOT do any

> NLP trainings.

>

> Jose Silva was a hypnosis trainer. In fact, I've pictures of him, in

> front of his office building in 1956. It was a hypnosis center. But

> Jose Silva did NOT become famous and wealthy because he taught

> hypnosis.

>

> What did Jose do that made him those millions of $$$?

>

> > That's why I believe Tom reiterated Mark's emphasis on pointing

> >out the hypnotic >operators. That's the hypnosis part.

>

> Well, I did call up Major Mark about this tonight because I got

> tired of hearing " Mark said this or that " … and we are in TOTAL

> AGREEMENT about what we think hypnotic operators are.

>

> Mark has been, and still is MY FRIEND. We've been friends for 9

> years.

>

> > The rest is just religion until proven otherwise.A

>

> I agree with you. And here's the part YOU ARE IGNORING.

>

> It is proven. It is verified! And it is NOT a religion!

>

> Looking at the research will only make what Major Mark is teaching

> even better!

>

> It is NOT in conflict.

>

> >Benny Hinn with new-age or other metaphysical beliefs is still a

> >Benny Hinn.

>

> Your used of negative anchors with proven technologies, do NOT make

> the proven technologies any less effective.

>

> It is a common tactic of using a negative PR campaign against that

> which you don't yet understand.

>

> Referring to hypnotic technologies that you do NOT yet know about,

> nor wish to know about, and comparing those other valid hypnotic

> strategies to a fat stupid womanizer with a perpetual hard-on, is

> not valid and is close to a tactic used by the FDA when it attacks

> a profession like the field of hypnosis, the field of Chiropractics

> or the field of NLP.

>

> Ooops. I got to go. The carpenter is here about redoing our front

> porch. Maybe more later. It's hunny do time.

>

>

>

> > Ron

>