Energy Checking The Grid

March 18, 2005

Hi Jim,

If I may answer, back from the depths...

You're somewhat asking two questions here, only one of which I can

give definite assistance. The one I can't give help on, which would

be much more useful because you could apply it to many things, is " if

someone does not know what X is, will asking them about X then energy

testing, will a yes / no answer be valid? " (paraphrased)

Well now that I think about it, I'll just throw in what I think the

answer could be. I suppose if you had it in your mind that you intend

to get the correct answer for the exact information you want, and the

other person has it in their mind to (or for remote testing, assume

the other person will give) the correct answer regardless, you could

get the correct answer.

For the part that I do know, very specifically, a test you can use to

get the answer " does this person have any grids out? " is the " Boo "

test. You simply ask the person to relax, then say the word " Boo, "

then energy check the person. If they go weak, they have at least one

grid out.

However, if they stay strong... One would assume they have all their

grids in... But apparently it doesn't mean so. For example, I know

someone who was deeply discouraged at a DE class last August when they

were told by someone that they had some grids out, even though the

person had all their grids put back in, and continues to pass the

" Boo " test, even more than 8 months later (whereas they went weak on

" Boo " beforehand). So apparently there's more to this grid stuff.

In any event, if the person fails the " Boo " check, you can know they

have a grid out somewhere...

Hope this helps.

Regards,

David

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:18:39 -0600 (GMT-06:00), James R. Knippenberg

<erommel wrote:

>

> When energy testing a body for something like this, does the body need to

> know what the hell is meant by " grid " ?

>

> What if it thinks " grid " is something else, because it doesn't know the

definition?

>

March 18, 2005

Hi Jim,

This is interesting as I think it raises the issue or is it a supposition that the person has to understand what you are testing for. I don't think this holds true for me as if i am testing someone for homolateral I don't explain what homolateral is before I test. I test, see what the result is and then explain the result. Same goes for other tests. Of course once they have been tested once they kind of get the idea and then they may well be influencing the test result with thought patterns but the initial test is a sort of blind test.

I think Donna applies the same principle when she does her workshops - she will pick someone out of the audience "let's see who needs this" and then test them. The person doesn't have a clue what they might need or what she is testing for except for knowing that she thinks they need "it". She then does a correction, retests and off they go. Indeed in some cases she forgets to explain what it was that she was testing for until some process based individual pulls her back on track

So back to the question of whether the body needs to know and understand what you are testing for....the conscious mind might not know but perhaps during testing we are contacting that "higher" consciousness which goes beyond the mental process. If that is the case then how come the body can give switched answers if the person is switched?

I find the whole process of asking the body questions fascinating. It really does feel like unstable ground as there are so many factors involved. I have clients whose chakras all tested strong and yet it felt like there was an inbalance in some of them. So working with that feelingt that there was an inbalance, I have cleared the chakras and the person has felt better and their other systems have come stronger - is that me influencing the results by telling them that I am clearing the chakras and therefore they feel better by placebo effect? In which case how come the energy tests for other systems change? And how come the changes hold? is it psychological as in we create a mind set of change and improvement and it is this that is at work or is it something else?

I feel like we are digging down to the nuts and bolts of energy work.....which is great, fun and stimulating. I usually give multiple explanations of what might be going on for a client when I am working with them, that way they can see which one resonates with them the most. It demystifies the process a little....

All the best

Cris

-

James R. Knippenberg

Friday, March 18, 2005 12:18 PM

Energy Checking The Grid

When energy testing a body for something like this, does the body need to know what the hell is meant by "grid"? What if it thinks "grid" is something else, because it doesn't know the definition?I went to level and asked for timeline from someone on my mental screen, and they got confused. So I asked them the questions that ellicit timeline from the eye cues. (Ie, "What did you have for breakfast this morning?" etc.)Sometimes you know, you want locations for things, and if you ask someone where they see the picture of someone they like, if they're not aware of pictures, they don't know how to answer. Or if you ask them where they heard that voice, if they're not aware, they go "HUH?"So you ask the right questions to ellicit that answer, because a lot of times they have no idea. They will point to a location kinesthetically and swear to God they have no idea where that location is.So if someone does not know what a grid is, will "asking" them if their grids are out and then energy testing for a yes / no answer be valid?There might be alarm points to test (I don't know if there are or not), but how can you ask someone for an answer if they don't understand the question?Here is what I got with a pendulum:My name is Jim: StrongMy name is Sue: WeakThe grid runs up and down the spine and holds the chakras together: Strong (This also matches my suspicion that you did "grid work" with me when we worked on my spine at the last seminar.)The grid includes the openings of the chakras: WeakThe grid includes the meridians: WeakThe meridians connect into the grid: StrongBroken grids show up again in the next life: Strong (Meaning if they are not fixed, they show up in the next life.)Patterns of thought and emotion affect the grid: StrongThe grid extends throughout the entire physical body: WeakThe grid exists outside of the physical body: Weak (Not meaning "without" a phsycal body, but meaning "extending outside of the physical body. Ie 1 or 2 or 3 inches outside of the body -- tested weak.)The grid exists inside of the physical body: Strong (See explanation on previous.)I ran out of questions I wanted to ask, just because I'm not sure how to get a pendulum to "draw" what the grid looks like.Some ideas were:The grid consists of figure 8's: StrongThe grid only has figure 8's: WeakSo anyways, maybe I tested based on what I "expected"? Or maybe I tested correctly?But either way, I don't see how asking someone else if their grids are outand then energy testing them could be valid IF they don't know what "grid" means. They might think "grid" means "central nervous system" or "circulatory system," in which case their test will be affected by what they THINK is meant.Correct?Or not?Thanks, Doc.JimMar 17, 2005 6:57 AM Energy Checking the GridHi all, Altho I have not yet had the Grid Training, how can I determine (not suspect) that a Grid(s) is out? I know I can't repair a Grid at this time, but checking if the Grid is intact would give important information as to how far I am able to go with a client.....could someone please explain how we can check this out (besides asking the body)? Thanks!

March 18, 2005

Well, ok, but in the examples that you gave, YOU know what you are energy

testing for, and Donna knows what SHE is energy testing for.

The person who asked the question didn't know what indicators show a grid is out

and did not know how to find out.

So from the question the original poster asked, it seemed to me that she wanted

to do a general indicator test for a grid being out.

That makes as much sense as doing a general indicator test on whether or not

Coca~Cola is good for me. Of course it is! :-) But if you don't do the

general indicator test, and you test the spleen meridian instead, you get a

different answer.

Same as when you correct someone's homolateral, and then you can't just say they

are " fixed " based on that general indicator test. Their belt flows might still

be out, or their back bridge circuit or ...

You get the idea...

So the person who asked the question was just going to ask the person being

tested whether or not they had a grid out, and test on that.

Now unless that person is very good at staying disocciated from their internal

dialog one of several things might happen, including:

1) They will " guess " at what a grid is, and then answer based on that

2) They will (more likely) get real confused and go homolateral because they

don't know what the heck that means and " OH my GOD! WHAT IF I'm SCREWED UP!!! "

Then the homolateral condition will screw up the energy test.

Or there might be other possibilities.

We do, in fact, know that it is not necessary for the person doing the testing

to know the answer, nor is it necessary for the person being tested to know the

answer (conscious awareness). But somebody has to know what they are doing.

I can step into " Sue's " energy field and test for Sue, even if I don't know what

she looks like, and energy test for specific things, and the person who is

energy testing me might not know anything about her, either, but they at least

have to know how to do the test properly in order for it to work.

The one who posted the original post didn't know what to test for and was just

" guessing " .

And that, to me, seems like trying to do general indicator tests for Coca~Cola

or buttered popcorn or belt line flows or back bridge circuits. ( " My back

bridge flow is strong " -- even if they [tester and person being tested ]don't

know what the heck a back bridge flow is with a general indicator test. But

even if they don't know what it is, if they do the correct test -- " Zorro " on

the back, and then do the energy test, they should get it right. But they got

to do the right test for the right answer.)

I don't know. If I'm not right, then cool. I don't know the specific test(s)

if there is/are one for grids.

Jim

" hunter.cris " <hunter.cris

Mar 18, 2005 8:25 AM

Re: Energy Checking The Grid

Hi Jim,

This is interesting as I think it raises the issue or is it a supposition that

the person has to understand what you are testing for. I don't think this holds

true for me as if i am testing someone for homolateral I don't explain what

homolateral is before I test. I test, see what the result is and then explain

the result. Same goes for other tests. Of course once they have been tested

once they kind of get the idea and then they may well be influencing the test

result with thought patterns but the initial test is a sort of blind test.

I think Donna applies the same principle when she does her workshops - she will

pick someone out of the audience " let's see who needs this " and then test them.

The person doesn't have a clue what they might need or what she is testing for

except for knowing that she thinks they need " it " . She then does a correction,

retests and off they go. Indeed in some cases she forgets to explain what it

was that she was testing for until some process based individual pulls her back

on track

So back to the question of whether the body needs to know and understand what

you are testing for....the conscious mind might not know but perhaps during

testing we are contacting that " higher " consciousness which goes beyond the

mental process. If that is the case then how come the body can give switched

answers if the person is switched?

I find the whole process of asking the body questions fascinating. It really

does feel like unstable ground as there are so many factors involved. I have

clients whose chakras all tested strong and yet it felt like there was an

inbalance in some of them. So working with that feelingt that there was an

inbalance, I have cleared the chakras and the person has felt better and their

other systems have come stronger - is that me influencing the results by telling

them that I am clearing the chakras and therefore they feel better by placebo

effect? In which case how come the energy tests for other systems change? And

how come the changes hold? is it psychological as in we create a mind set of

change and improvement and it is this that is at work or is it something else?

I feel like we are digging down to the nuts and bolts of energy work.....which

is great, fun and stimulating. I usually give multiple explanations of what

might be going on for a client when I am working with them, that way they can

see which one resonates with them the most. It demystifies the process a

little....

All the best

-

James R. Knippenberg

Friday, March 18, 2005 12:18 PM

Energy Checking The Grid

When energy testing a body for something like this, does the body need to know

what the hell is meant by " grid " ? What if it thinks " grid " is something else,

because it doesn't know the definition?

I went to level and asked for timeline from someone on my mental screen, and

they got confused. So I asked them the questions that ellicit timeline from the

eye cues. (Ie, " What did you have for breakfast this morning? " etc.)

Sometimes you know, you want locations for things, and if you ask someone

where they see the picture of someone they like, if they're not aware of

pictures, they don't know how to answer. Or if you ask them where they heard

that voice, if they're not aware, they go " HUH? "

So you ask the right questions to ellicit that answer, because a lot of times

they have no idea. They will point to a location kinesthetically and swear to

God they have no idea where that location is.

So if someone does not know what a grid is, will " asking " them if their grids

are out and then energy testing for a yes / no answer be valid?

There might be alarm points to test (I don't know if there are or not), but

how can you ask someone for an answer if they don't understand the question?

Here is what I got with a pendulum:

My name is Jim: Strong

My name is Sue: Weak

The grid runs up and down the spine and holds the chakras together: Strong

(This also matches my suspicion that you did " grid work " with me when we worked

on my spine at the last seminar.)

The grid includes the openings of the chakras: Weak

The grid includes the meridians: Weak

The meridians connect into the grid: Strong

Broken grids show up again in the next life: Strong (Meaning if they are not

fixed, they show up in the next life.)

Patterns of thought and emotion affect the grid: Strong

The grid extends throughout the entire physical body: Weak

The grid exists outside of the physical body: Weak (Not meaning " without " a

phsycal body, but meaning " extending outside of the physical body. Ie 1 or 2 or

3 inches outside of the body -- tested weak.)

The grid exists inside of the physical body: Strong (See explanation on

previous.)

I ran out of questions I wanted to ask, just because I'm not sure how to get a

pendulum to " draw " what the grid looks like.

Some ideas were:

The grid consists of figure 8's: Strong

The grid only has figure 8's: Weak

So anyways, maybe I tested based on what I " expected " ? Or maybe I tested

correctly?

But either way, I don't see how asking someone else if their grids are outand

then energy testing them could be valid IF they don't know what " grid " means.

They might think " grid " means " central nervous system " or " circulatory system, "

in which case their test will be affected by what they THINK is meant.

Correct?

Or not?

Thanks, Doc.

Jim

Mar 17, 2005 6:57 AM

To:

Energy Checking the Grid

Hi all,

Altho I have not yet had the Grid Training, how can I determine

(not suspect) that a Grid(s) is out? I know I can't repair a Grid at

this time, but checking if the Grid is intact would give important

information as to how far I am able to go with a client.....could

someone please explain how we can check this out (besides asking the

body)?

Thanks!

March 18, 2005

Hi David.

I agree with what you said about energy testing for the valid answers. Somebody

has to know WHAT to test, though.

And it's obvious that neither the original poster nor I had any idea what was

the correct test to get the correct answer for the grid being out.

I'm glad I posted that; I learned some cool stuff.

Now I got another question. :-)

When you say " Boo " , if they have a grid out, it causes their energy field to

collapse. That is how they test weak. Right? So at what point in the aura

does the energy field FIRST collapse? Does it collapse at the location where

you directed the word " Boo " ? Or does it collapse first at the location of the

grid that is out? Or does the whole thing just collapse instantly isntead?

You know, it's like the difference between blowing a building up from the top

downward or the bottom up or just dropping a nuke on it and watching it all just

" vaporize " instantly.

Where does it collapse FIRST when you say " Boo " ?

Thanks a bunch for the post!

Man, I'm learning all sorts of cool stuff today.

Jim

David Alvarez <davidalvarez

Mar 18, 2005 6:10 AM