The Witch's original post about Evil Jim's Great Book!

July 15, 2005

(Dear group, I've taken the liberty to repost the witch's post here,

with ALL details about " who to " and " who from " removed. So, now, why

did I repost it here? Good question. Because it's a great study in

how those that profess to be Godly are using tools of the evil one

<or evil 2, or evil 12> for their OWN SELFISH ends, under the

discuise of goodness. So, PLEASE analize and POST on the pros and

cons of the following post. And BACK UP all opinions with sometype

of verification besides the one of just having lips and a tongue;-)

. ps. this should be real fun!)

> undisclosed-recipients:;

> Jim's book

> The Witch's original post about Evil Jim's Great Book!

> Dear xxxxxx,

> I am really appalled at your support of Jim

> Knippenberg's book. The book is unmitigated black magic wrapped in

>an insultingly transparent attempt to distract one from its true

>nature.

> I am really quite shocked that you do not recognize that. If it is

>true that you indeed have come to the place where you do not

>recognize this blatant contradiction to the most fundamental

>principles of the Light, then I must believe that you have drifted

>past the line that should never be crossed little by little

> over time. Maybe this is an opportunity for a great

> learning and soul searching for you. I pray so. If I may be of

>help in this situation, I am willing.

> I am not the only person who is extremely saddened

> by what we consider a most grave situation. I am further grieved

> by this because of the long personal relationships involved here.

>If this were simply a matter of one individual publishing a book

>that is one thing.

> However, you represent the Huna organization and that is an

> entirely different matter.

> With a heavy heart,

>

> (Heart of opinions)

July 16, 2005

Hello Dr. John and ALL,

The first thing I thought when I read what the lady wrote was, " What an

appalling thing to write. " Especially realizing that what she/me/you or

anyone writes is about the filters and we happen to be using at the time.

Of course usually we forget that and claim it to be the truth and nothing

but the truth.

So if we say... we are appalled, we are shocked, we are hurt, we take

offense, we hate, we are angry, etc.. then we are saying the energy of the

words we are receiving is interacting with our filters and we are

projecting our filters beyond the words to the person offering the words.

It also shows a shockingly appalling lack of clarity or understanding of

the world of energy (the energy model) and Huna (which follows energy model

presuppositions) the belief that her model is more accurate than others and

therefore more true. In other words she is right and Jim, Darth Vader and

Dr. John are wrong.

It also suggest any healing or Huna work she does will be hit or miss

because her build up of mana will be focused on this kala she has not

cleared. In other words she will continue manifesting what she is thinking

and emoting even if she does a Ha Rite Prayer Action, if this black box

about black magic is not cleared.

If it is the lady I believe it is her, we had a conversation about her and

her words and energy one year at the conference. If not her it is not worth

RVing to find out at this time (for me).

To Your Best,

Dr. Houston Vetter

" We may focus attention on what we want or on what we don't want, either

way we create what we put our attention on. If evil then evil, if good then

good. The High Self/Aumakua answers yes to EVERYTHING. We have the choice

of where the yes manifests. When our thinking and emoting line up we get

the YES we want. If they aren't in alignment we get the YES we don't want.

It is all up to us. " My Grampa Vetter

At 04:47 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote:

>(Dear group, I've taken the liberty to repost the witch's post here,

>with ALL details about " who to " and " who from " removed. So, now, why

>did I repost it here? Good question. Because it's a great study in

>how those that profess to be Godly are using tools of the evil one

><or evil 2, or evil 12> for their OWN SELFISH ends, under the

>discuise of goodness. So, PLEASE analize and POST on the pros and

>cons of the following post. And BACK UP all opinions with sometype

>of verification besides the one of just having lips and a tongue;-)

>. ps. this should be real fun!)

>

> > undisclosed-recipients:;

> > Jim's book

> > The Witch's original post about Evil Jim's Great Book!

> > Dear xxxxxx,

>

> > I am really appalled at your support of Jim

> > Knippenberg's book. The book is unmitigated black magic wrapped in

> >an insultingly transparent attempt to distract one from its true

> >nature.

>

> > I am really quite shocked that you do not recognize that. If it is

> >true that you indeed have come to the place where you do not

> >recognize this blatant contradiction to the most fundamental

> >principles of the Light, then I must believe that you have drifted

> >past the line that should never be crossed little by little

> > over time. Maybe this is an opportunity for a great

> > learning and soul searching for you. I pray so. If I may be of

> >help in this situation, I am willing.

>

> > I am not the only person who is extremely saddened

> > by what we consider a most grave situation. I am further grieved

> > by this because of the long personal relationships involved here.

> >If this were simply a matter of one individual publishing a book

> >that is one thing.

>

> > However, you represent the Huna organization and that is an

> > entirely different matter.

>

> > With a heavy heart,

> >

> > (Heart of opinions)

July 16, 2005

> The Witch's original post about Evil Jim's Great Book!

"The book is unmitigated black magic wrapped in an insultingly transparent attempt to distract one from its true nature."

My first problem with this post is the presupposition that black magic even exists - or white magic for that matter. The author of this message is using some of the very tools he/she is accusing Jim of using - namely the linguistic ability to create states in people. If his/her sentence is simply read without being analyzed all readers will simply have to accept the existence of black magic as a fact. One wonders whether the author realizes that all human interactions are inherently manipulative - we create states in people and that is simply how it is.

"I am really quite shocked that you do not recognize that."

This statement implies that the reader is too dumb to recognize something the author apparently is uniquely qualified to notice. Once again, the assumption is made that some real entity is seen by the author but by nobody else. In my model of the world black magic is not an issue - there is simply energy that can be used for whatever purpose - so I'm really not going to waste my time buying in to the idea that Jim is a dark magician.

"If it is true that you indeed have come to the place where you do not recognize this blatant contradiction to the most fundamental principles of the Light, then I must believe that you have drifted past the line that should never be crossed little by little over time."

The fundamental principles of the Light according to the author - once again the assumption is being made that there is indeed some universal truth that everyone should discover. I am particularly struck by the judgemental tone in the above statement. I wonder - is it not evil magic to judge others? Do I really want to feel judged and therefore bad about myself for agreeing with Jim's work. Sorry - I refuse

"Maybe this is an opportunity for a greatlearning and soul searching for you. I pray so. If I may be of help in this situation, I am willing."

In this part the author is defining him/herself as somehow superior - the willingness to be helpful and to save the poor miserable soul of the lost and misguided one who happened to endorse Jim's work is imo a thinly veiled statement of superiority. Kind of like "I know something you don't know." I thought this kind of stuff ends in kindergarten.

In general I think it's much healthier to acknowledge that truth is not singular, but plural. We live in a multiverse filled with endless opinions. The author is stating his/her opinion as fact. If we think for a moment of Aleister Crowley's works and the concept that any willed act is magickal we can conclude that practically everything we do is magical in some way. If I ask you how you feel and you answer I have effectively manipulated you into responding to me. Black/white? Who knows? It's up to each person to decide for themselves whether the result of an action contributed something useful or not. As far as I'm concerned Jim's contributions are indeed very useful. But then, maybe I'm just a black magician (wink). BTW - this is just an opinion - MINE, to be specific.

Sincerely

Johan