thanks for the info

December 30, 2002

Hi Richard,

thanks for the info about acupuncture education, even I learned something.

The MDs I know who also offer acupuncture are aware that their knowledge is

limited. That's why they call it medical acupuncture and they use given point

combinations for different illnesses. And since their patients are asking for

integrative medicine, MDs pick acupuncture for their practice. My opinion,

live and let live. I am much more afraid of my fellow acupuncturists and

Naturopath who lack Western medicine knowledge but think they know

everything. So they do not send a person with nearly full body eczema to an

MD because they never heard of kidney failure caused by wide spread skin

diseases. That is scary. Or they treat a sore throat not looking once into

the throat and checking the plaque on the tonsils and later after the patient

is ending in the ER, they heard it was diphtheria. Although our patients fill

out the consent form that they saw a doctor for that condition, a lot of them

do not tell the truth, even tell you they do not " like " and believe in MDs

and haven't seen one in years (I want to see them again when their child is

hit by a car), and the dear acupuncturist only agrees with them and says " I

feel the same way " . So, I am not afraid of some MDs doing shitty acupuncture,

I am much more afraid of licensed acupuncturists doing shitty medical

treatments (excuse my language). What is your opinion?

But anyhow, have a happy new year, Julia

Julia Busching #559, ND (Germany), RMT, ABT, MTI

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December 31, 2002

Hi Julia

Although some Medical Acupuncturists may be aware of their limited

training.....listen carefully to the 'attitude' of the leaders of this tiny

subset of Chinese Acupuncture.

I have no problem with 'living and letting live'.....as long as those who are

picking at acupuncture are not at the same time trying to destroy those who

are clearly the better trained in that modality. Which is exactly what they

are doing and why there exists so much animosity.

An MD providing shitty acupuncture doesn't necessarily hurt the patient BUT

it certainly turns the patients off to acupuncture, thinking that if the MD

couldn't do it - then the LAc certainly couldn't do it. On the other hand -

I, day in and day out heal extreme cases of ulcerative colitis with Chinese

materia medica formula when the MDs have absolutely nothing positive to offer

those sufferers. What lack of humanity exists when those MDs prevent their

patients from seeing us leaving them with only the suffering? The same is

true for a formula handed down to me which cures decubitus ulcers yet I am

not allowed to use it to relieve pain while the dying patients suffer. I do

work in the Hospice setting when I am allowed. What kind of shitty allopathic

care is this?

What I am saying is that the coin has two sides and the both are stuck with

each other. It would be a lot better for the citizens of any country to have

freedom of access to both and the practitioners should be trained in both to

at least refer to the appropriate specialist. An Internist doesn't perform

Brain Surgery, s/he refers to the appropriate MD then why not allow these

medicine to integrate? Ask the controlling interests why they won't allow

these changes?

As to LAcs and their lack of training....I totally agree with your statement

and concerns. They/we should all have more training in western medicine and

that is exactly the model in China. They are ALL MDs. Allopaths in China take

at least 1 year of TCM and MDs who specialize in TCM take two years of

allopathic medicine. They are ALL MDs. Some of us here in Florida continue on

with our education whether formally recognized or not. We have bridged our

education and received degrees as Naturopathic Medical Doctors filling in the

courses such as pharmacology, minor surgery, western diagnosis, western

physicial exam, etc.

I have been openly saying this in the US for at least 6 years. That if as

example - the University of Arizona and other US Medical Schools taught

legitimate programs in AP/OM instead of giving lip-service (to what I dislike

calling C.A.M.) we would all be better off. Then the educators in AP/OM would

be forced to upgrade their LAc's education to include more western.

There is a move in the US today to increase AP/OM education to Doctor of

Medicine (Oriental) Degree and this is exacly what the MD-allopaths are

trying to prevent us from accomplishing. They openly say 'do it' and then

block it in legislative efforst. I know this by FIRST HAND experience in at

least Florida. If that education would exist, many concerns such as yours

would be resolved. But you must see that once we reach full DOCTOR level then

we are a real threat to them. We shouldn't be but they perceive it that way.

Some might say that we would be taking more of their shrinking money....but

what I see is that with traditional medicines such as AP/OM the population

would inherently be healthier and you should realize that across the board

there is 'no big money' in healing people. Unfortunately the medical paradigm

as it exists today cannot survive a healthier population and at the same time

it cannot survive financially the way it is has been proceeding.

Regards,

Richard

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