believe the world is flat:)

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Hello Doc

 

Here are a few of the sources I have. They are infinitely better than

testemonials. The most interesting thing is that they tend to

indicate there are far better ways of doing things:

 

 

Druckman, Daniel & John A Swets, (Eds) (1988). Enhancing Human

Performance: Issues, Theories, and Techniques. Washington DC: National

Academy Press. ISBN 0309037921.

See On-line edition pages 138-149. Retrieved 25 Aug 2005

Heap, Michael (Ed) (1988). Hypnosis: Current Clinical, Experimental

and Forensic Practices. London, UK: Croom Helm.

Thaler Singer, Margaret & Janja Lalich (1996). Crazy Therapies : What

they are? Do they work?. New York, NY: Jossey Bass.

 

 

I respect other people's choice to use NLP or not. I do find it

encouraging free the mind from its limitations though. I attended a

series of NLP training workshops and the semi-religious zeal was quite

strange afterwards. Not scary, just odd and I noticed that they were

starting to quarterize and narrow their options down too much. And I

perceived that the techniques weren't working at all. Eg, the eye

movement thing was the most unconvincing aspect, and that seems to be

part of the core of NLP. So, I believe NLP is more of a belief than a

body of knowledge. In some cases it can be a limiting belief.

 

But you are right about being flexible. From NLP I moved back to

science and found that educational psychology and cognitive therapy

are far more useful in my mind and in reality. The results speak for

themselves. I don't need any testemonials to back me up there.

 

But coming back to the point, from my point of view, there is a very

useful aspect of spirituality that can enhance almost everything. I

am a powerful visualizer, and find it easy to change pulse rate and

skin temperature at will etc. So it was actually quite easy to reach

peak experiences in order to enhance my abilities. eg, I found visual

meditation and mental practice improved my squash game extremely

rapidly. Anyway, I learned to do this far more reliably using brief

cognitive therapy techniques.

 

But rather than technique or using the misnomer " technology " , I found

it better to be truthful and simply consider the spiritual experience

as the focus. I have science, and knowledge, but it needed balancing

with spirit. So suddenly the focus changed. Instead of visualizing

to improve squash, the focus was on mindfulness for improving mine and

other's lives. The main thing was to meditate or conteplate for the

sake of spirit. I would consider all else, including radiant health,

merely a welcome side effect.

 

I believe I am in concordance with the group here

Stay connected

Oliver

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PSYCHOANTHROPOLOGICAL REPORT

 

There is a country where all the people are eccentric for part

of the time. They are not at all like the human beings whom

we know.

 

They train groups of people to believe in certain systematic

manners. When this has been done, they elicit that behavior

and all its surrounding actions, by applying the necessary

stimuli.

 

Those people who show the greatest efficiency in training,

the best indoctrination subjects, are given rewards, just as are

laboratory animals who successfully reproduce their conditioning

plan.

 

But at this point, unlike us, these people become quite

confused, in the most systematic manner; the trainers themselves,

instead of saying, " Another experiment successfully completed, "

start to admire and worship the " heroes " . They set them up as

inspirers, actually claiming that what they did was " spontaneous " .

 

The result is that anything really spontaneous is punished

and disliked, and cannot survive in their society. But as they

have the word left over, they use it for non-spontaneous things.

 

This is such a pity, since they are at times very pleasant

people to be with, having far greater capacities than this

self-deceptive one. And theirs is, to many visitors, a beautiful

country. Because of the drawback just described, of course,

most people who do not have to go there avoid it. They

become irritated, noting that the citizenry of this place

actually have scientists who carry out clinical and experimental

work on animals and humans without noting similar effects in

everyday society. This they claim is the experimenting, and

conditioning. But what they do among themselves, something

precisely the same, after laboratory hours, that is not.

 

But are the results of the scientists' indoctrination processes

secret? Good gracious, no! They are printed by the million

in popular books, and are very widely read.

 

We are lucky to live in our kind of world.

 

 

" The Magic Monastery " by Idries Shaw

 

 

 

 

, " Oliver Lark "

<awenbendithia> wrote:

> Hello Doc

>

> Here are a few of the sources I have. They are infinitely better

than

> testemonials. The most interesting thing is that they tend to

> indicate there are far better ways of doing things:

>

>

> Druckman, Daniel & John A Swets, (Eds) (1988). Enhancing Human

> Performance: Issues, Theories, and Techniques. Washington DC:

National

> Academy Press. ISBN 0309037921.

> See On-line edition pages 138-149. Retrieved 25 Aug 2005

> Heap, Michael (Ed) (1988). Hypnosis: Current Clinical, Experimental

> and Forensic Practices. London, UK: Croom Helm.

> Thaler Singer, Margaret & Janja Lalich (1996). Crazy Therapies :

What

> they are? Do they work?. New York, NY: Jossey Bass.

>

>

> I respect other people's choice to use NLP or not. I do find it

> encouraging free the mind from its limitations though. I attended a

> series of NLP training workshops and the semi-religious zeal was

quite

> strange afterwards. Not scary, just odd and I noticed that they

were

> starting to quarterize and narrow their options down too much. And

I

> perceived that the techniques weren't working at all. Eg, the eye

> movement thing was the most unconvincing aspect, and that seems to

be

> part of the core of NLP. So, I believe NLP is more of a belief

than a

> body of knowledge. In some cases it can be a limiting belief.

>

> But you are right about being flexible. From NLP I moved back to

> science and found that educational psychology and cognitive therapy

> are far more useful in my mind and in reality. The results speak

for

> themselves. I don't need any testemonials to back me up there.

>

> But coming back to the point, from my point of view, there is a very

> useful aspect of spirituality that can enhance almost everything. I

> am a powerful visualizer, and find it easy to change pulse rate and

> skin temperature at will etc. So it was actually quite easy to

reach

> peak experiences in order to enhance my abilities. eg, I found

visual

> meditation and mental practice improved my squash game extremely

> rapidly. Anyway, I learned to do this far more reliably using brief

> cognitive therapy techniques.

>

> But rather than technique or using the misnomer " technology " , I

found

> it better to be truthful and simply consider the spiritual

experience

> as the focus. I have science, and knowledge, but it needed

balancing

> with spirit. So suddenly the focus changed. Instead of visualizing

> to improve squash, the focus was on mindfulness for improving mine

and

> other's lives. The main thing was to meditate or conteplate for the

> sake of spirit. I would consider all else, including radiant

health,

> merely a welcome side effect.

>

> I believe I am in concordance with the group here

> Stay connected

> Oliver