marijauana very strong blood and yin tonic?

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My teachers at TCM school said that pot use releases essence (hence

the increased " wisdom " ). I'm sure as a result this effects overall

Kidney yin and yang since essence is comprised of both. However, I

doubt it directs it to the channels and organs for storage and use

as does a true yin/blood tonic. I got the impression it dissipates

essence by temporarily enhancing the mind. I guess the bodily

effects are also transient and degenerative as a whole (by your

testimonial). Sorry, but it would seem that it's really only a stop

gap as a medicinal and still holds it's premier usage position as a

recreational drug. Would love to hear other's opinions on this

matter as the above is practically heresay since it was only

mentioned in class and not really " covered " .

thanks, shanna

 

acupuncture , " ilhan305 " <ilhan305> wrote:

> I have recently started using marijuana to help over come my many

> complaints. I was diagnosed with kidney deficiency, turbid

dampness,

> spleen deficiency, blood deficiency, heart heat and general yin

> deficiency. But my cheif problems where kidney deficiency and

> dampness.

> I have realised that after consuming marijuana regularly my health

> has improved a whole great deal. I am living in a humid and hot

> location in south florida and it seems to me that marijuana

> allthough illegal is a very helpful and is a strong blood tonic. I

> had problems with anemia that have been solved. The problem is

that

> after a couple of months of usage I began to have opposite

problems

> of what I used to have. I started getting purple baggy eyes, lack

of

> motivation, fatigue, lower back and knee pain all signs of kidney

> yang deficiency. My question is if you take a strong yin tonic

like

> marijuana for a long duration will it lower your yang level?

Because

> earlier I read in an article that increasing kidney yin will also

> give room to increase kidney yang too. But in my case I my kidney

> yang has not increased but more decreased overall. THe interesting

> part is that my body does not feel cold as it used to but a cold

> body is a general sign of yang deficiency. I belevie marijuana

> helped improve my circulation to my hands and feet in a great deal.

>

> I believe Marijuana is an herb not just a recreational drug. Its

> green it smells good and it has every characteristic a natural

herb

> has. The only problem is the law.

> I only want to know what Marijuana truely does to the body in a

> Chinese point of view. What channels does it enter the body and

what

> organs does it effect and how.

>

> Is it a yin tonic a blood tonic or does it simply suck away your

> yang energy wich thus brings the bodies yin level up? Please send

> your information on this subject, I believe it is a very helpful

> topic. Thank you for reading.

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acupuncture , BOBBEE <vangstang> wrote:

> I don't think it enhances the mind at all. Actually,

> the individual smoking or eating the marijuana only

> has a feeling of mind enhancement.

 

Did you mean mild enhancement? Not enhance the mind at all?

According to my Economic Botany text from college, Marijuana is a

psychoactive drug which produces THC, a psychoactive substance. I

did look up the word psychoactive in the dictionary which

said " drugs which affect the mind or behavior " . Websites I cruised

mentioned it's classification as an hallucinogen or psychedelic, a

drug which produces " greatly heightened sensory perception "

sometimes " accompanied by feelings of elation or misery " .

As we all know, the function of the 5 senses is imtimately tied to,

among other things, quality and quantity of essence. I think this

may have been my teacher's reasoning with respect to describing its

effects according to TCM. With respect to anemia, I wonder if it

hasn't just increased ilhan305's appetite leading to a better blood

count and relief from anemia symptoms. But the bags under the eyes,

lack of motivation, fatigue and lower back pain are signs of

worsening Kidney deficiency, now to include Kidney yang because

essence is comprised of both yin and yang.

I feel this drug should not be used by anyone who is ill and trying

to pursue a strict health regime as it can stress Kidney essence as

well as Lung yin and perhaps the Stomach/Spleen (blood suger

issues). It's short term medicinal use, for instance, to help with

loss of appetite/nausea in those receiving cancer treatment could be

a decent stop gap for the desperate and uninformed, but a well

crafted TCM formula or acupuncture treatment would, I think, be far

superior. I think ilhan305 might be much better served by such

treatment as well. The results may not be as instantaneous but truly

building blood/yin can never be. By it's nature it is slow to build

and requires meticulous attention to lifestyle and diet.

Sorry :-(.

Marijuana's use as a recreational drug by otherwise healthy

individuals is a matter of choice which includes possible

consequences of jail time. It's affects on health and longevity I

believe to be comparable to or somewhat worse than cigarettes,

alcohol, or male sexual overindulgence depending on dosages and

frequencies.

Thanks, Shanna

 

However to the

> observer, When marijuana is smoked, the body responds

> in several ways. The user feels sedated, relaxed. The

> heart rate increases, the blood pressure drops. Lungs

> are irritated immediately, resulting in coughing fits.

> There is an increase in appetite, known colloquially

> as " the munchies. " Muscle coordination worsens.

> Confusion sets in, and there may be a sense of deja-vu

> (a feeling you have already experienced the present),

> detachment, aloofness or drowsiness. Concentration

> becomes difficult. Stronger or higher doses may

> produce giddiness, stimulation and increased

> alertness. Time, color, and sound seem distorted.

> There may be visual illusions, hallucinations, and

> even a sensation of movement under one's feet. In

> addition, the user may become paranoid or feel

> detached from him or herself.

>

> One interesting result of marijuana use is the effect

> on the eyes. They become bloodshot as blood flow

> increases through the mucous membranes, and

> conjunctivitis (pink eye) may result. Pressure behind

> eyes is greatly reduced (which is why marijuana is

> sometimes considered as a possible treatment for

> glaucoma). The ability of the user to track a moving

> object, such as a thrown baseball, is greatly

> impaired. Trailing phenomena, where afterimages of

> moving objects are seen, is also common.

>

> One of the dangers of marijuana use involves the

> attempt by the user to function while experiencing all

> these effects. Tasks involving hand-eye coordination,

> such as driving, are difficult due to sedation,

> confusion, and the numerous visual impairments.

> Complex tasks, like programming a VCR, are nearly

> impossible due to confusion, time distortion, and

> short-term memory loss.

>

> As to your statement on anemia, that is actually a

> western term. It's difficult for TCM to treat anemia,

> because the root cause of anemia must be identified.

> I hope the marijuana is help to you, but I don't think

> that the underlying cause of your anemia will be

> addressed with marijuana. You can have potentially

> serious complications going on in your body if you

> rely on marijuana use alone. Particularly if lung

> cancer is the cause of the anemia and the smoke from

> the marijuana joint/blunt is potentiating the anemia,

> and THC bronchodilates your lungs masking the low RBC

> counts.

>

> Marijuana use is also problematic due to the numerous

> results of long-term use. To begin with, THC is a

> bronchodilator. Like asthma medications, it opens the

> airways. However, in the case of THC, the open airways

> result in greater access for smoke, tar, and other

> irritants and impurities to attack the lungs.

> Marijuana has a great number of impurities which may

> vary from plant to plant. Adulterants, pesticides,

> artificial plant foods, and other chemicals may be

> present, and several of the impurities are naturally

> existent in the plant. In addition, because marijuana

> is generally smoked without any filter of any kind,

> and the user inhales very deeply and holds the smoke

> in the lungs, the damage done from a small joint is as

> damaging as 5 or more tobacco cigarettes. Damage done

> by blunts (marijuana cigars) is particularly extreme.

>

> My suggestion; there are great herbs out there that

> can be used to tonify Kidney, spleen, blood, and

> nourish yin. They also have safe track records and

> are relatively affordable compared to marijuana. Take

> care of yourself ilhan305.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > acupuncture , " ilhan305 "

> > <ilhan305> wrote:

> > > I have recently started using marijuana to help

> > over come my many

> > > complaints. I was diagnosed with kidney

> > deficiency, turbid

> > dampness,

> > > spleen deficiency, blood deficiency, heart heat

> > and general yin

> > > deficiency. But my cheif problems where kidney

> > deficiency and

> > > dampness.

> > > I have realised that after consuming marijuana

> > regularly my health

> > > has improved a whole great deal. I am living in a

> > humid and hot

> > > location in south florida and it seems to me that

> > marijuana

> > > allthough illegal is a very helpful and is a

> > strong blood tonic. I

> > > had problems with anemia that have been solved.

> > The problem is

> > that

> > > after a couple of months of usage I began to have

> > opposite

> > problems

> > > of what I used to have. I started getting purple

> > baggy eyes, lack

> > of

> > > motivation, fatigue, lower back and knee pain all

> > signs of kidney

> > > yang deficiency. My question is if you take a

> > strong yin tonic

> > like

> > > marijuana for a long duration will it lower your

> > yang level?

> > Because

> > > earlier I read in an article that increasing

> > kidney yin will also

> > > give room to increase kidney yang too. But in my

> > case I my kidney

> > > yang has not increased but more decreased overall.

> > THe interesting

> > > part is that my body does not feel cold as it used

> > to but a cold

> > > body is a general sign of yang deficiency. I

> > belevie marijuana

> > > helped improve my circulation to my hands and feet

> > in a great deal.

> > >

> > > I believe Marijuana is an herb not just a

> > recreational drug. Its

> > > green it smells good and it has every

> > characteristic a natural

> > herb

> > > has. The only problem is the law.

> > > I only want to know what Marijuana truely does to

> > the body in a

> > > Chinese point of view. What channels does it enter

> > the body and

> > what

> > > organs does it effect and how.

> > >

> > > Is it a yin tonic a blood tonic or does it simply

> > suck away your

> > > yang energy wich thus brings the bodies yin level

> > up? Please send

> > > your information on this subject, I believe it is

> > a very helpful

> > > topic. Thank you for reading.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I seem to disagree with many things you have said allthough many of

what you have said are correct also. If you have checked ayurveda it

is considered a tonic. It helped me gain weight unfortionately when

I stopped smoking I lost the weight I gained. From my experience of

months of use of cannabis, it has done much more good for me then

bad. I dont really know bobee but it seems to me there is a lot of

propaganda out there on the pro marijuana users and the ones against

for it. You have said that it impairs memory and thinking. Yes it

does for a short duration while you are intoxicated. But the next

day your mind works very well and my memory has seemed to increased

a whole lot since I started to smoke. I beleieve people with a yin

deficincy are prown to have bad memory, angry, irritable and overall

in fast moving depteling state. I have previosly used rehmannia and

many other formulas including angelica root for the blood. But those

didnt seem to help as much as with marijuana. Besides those herbs

are considered to be grown in northern cold latitudes and i live in

a tropical area. I believe that marijuana can be harmful when

consumed in northern areas since it does not grow around there. I

believe marijuana does supress yang but I dont know in what way. It

could be because the bodies yin has increased a great deal that the

yang gets weaker. But over time the yang gets used to the

suppression and increases. So when I quit then my yang falls back to

normal if not stronger, that is why marijuana withdrawal has side

effects of insomnia, anger, aggession ... all yang attributes. But

if you think about it rehmania does the same thing too. It also

increases yin power wich in turn once stopped taking rehmannia your

yang increases over the yin just like in marijuana. Now let me tell

you the side effects that I have encountered with marijuana and this

is not a essence deficiency type side effects like the previous

person that posted. I have gained a lot of hair growth on my head

from smoking marijuana and if you know any friends that smoke large

amounts of marijuana you will see that they have a lot of hair on

their head too. But if you look at the complexion and scalp of a

tobacco smoker it is totally different. Tabacco is a yang tonic, so

strong that it damages yin and essence. So let me get back to my

side effects from marijuana use, it lowers my ambition and

motivation, causes fatigue and sleepiness, sore back and knees,

baggy eyes... basicly almost every yang deficiency symptom. I am 21

so naturally I should not have a yang deficiency problem but

marijuana does supress yang by increasing yin levels in the body. So

for my conlcusion is that marijauan helps the body a whole lot if

used appropriately. It is a strong yin tonic, but a yang suppresant.

I dont really think it depletes kidney essence because I have not

had a kidney essence deficiency symptom from marijuana. And I do

believe tabaco does a whole lot more harm to my body then marijuana

does nomatter how many people tell me it is not true. If you use a

vaporizer marijuana doesnt affect the lungs as much. Besides there

are 2 different strains of marijuana the one that makes you choke is

an indica strain wich is grown in northern lattitudes. I believe it

is a stronger yin tonic then the sativa strain wich is more commonly

found in southern florida. But the sativa strain seems to effect

the lung very little because the tar is so much less then the indica

strain. There is so much more I can write on this topic from my

experience but I dont have the time to do so. I wish you all good

luck on your studies of chinese accupuncture and please be free to

add comments to my post.

acupuncture , BOBBEE <vangstang> wrote:

> I don't think it enhances the mind at all. Actually,

> the individual smoking or eating the marijuana only

> has a feeling of mind enhancement. However to the

> observer, When marijuana is smoked, the body responds

> in several ways. The user feels sedated, relaxed. The

> heart rate increases, the blood pressure drops. Lungs

> are irritated immediately, resulting in coughing fits.

> There is an increase in appetite, known colloquially

> as " the munchies. " Muscle coordination worsens.

> Confusion sets in, and there may be a sense of deja-vu

> (a feeling you have already experienced the present),

> detachment, aloofness or drowsiness. Concentration

> becomes difficult. Stronger or higher doses may

> produce giddiness, stimulation and increased

> alertness. Time, color, and sound seem distorted.

> There may be visual illusions, hallucinations, and

> even a sensation of movement under one's feet. In

> addition, the user may become paranoid or feel

> detached from him or herself.

>

> One interesting result of marijuana use is the effect

> on the eyes. They become bloodshot as blood flow

> increases through the mucous membranes, and

> conjunctivitis (pink eye) may result. Pressure behind

> eyes is greatly reduced (which is why marijuana is

> sometimes considered as a possible treatment for

> glaucoma). The ability of the user to track a moving

> object, such as a thrown baseball, is greatly

> impaired. Trailing phenomena, where afterimages of

> moving objects are seen, is also common.

>

> One of the dangers of marijuana use involves the

> attempt by the user to function while experiencing all

> these effects. Tasks involving hand-eye coordination,

> such as driving, are difficult due to sedation,

> confusion, and the numerous visual impairments.

> Complex tasks, like programming a VCR, are nearly

> impossible due to confusion, time distortion, and

> short-term memory loss.

>

> As to your statement on anemia, that is actually a

> western term. It's difficult for TCM to treat anemia,

> because the root cause of anemia must be identified.

> I hope the marijuana is help to you, but I don't think

> that the underlying cause of your anemia will be

> addressed with marijuana. You can have potentially

> serious complications going on in your body if you

> rely on marijuana use alone. Particularly if lung

> cancer is the cause of the anemia and the smoke from

> the marijuana joint/blunt is potentiating the anemia,

> and THC bronchodilates your lungs masking the low RBC

> counts.

>

> Marijuana use is also problematic due to the numerous

> results of long-term use. To begin with, THC is a

> bronchodilator. Like asthma medications, it opens the

> airways. However, in the case of THC, the open airways

> result in greater access for smoke, tar, and other

> irritants and impurities to attack the lungs.

> Marijuana has a great number of impurities which may

> vary from plant to plant. Adulterants, pesticides,

> artificial plant foods, and other chemicals may be

> present, and several of the impurities are naturally

> existent in the plant. In addition, because marijuana

> is generally smoked without any filter of any kind,

> and the user inhales very deeply and holds the smoke

> in the lungs, the damage done from a small joint is as

> damaging as 5 or more tobacco cigarettes. Damage done

> by blunts (marijuana cigars) is particularly extreme.

>

> My suggestion; there are great herbs out there that

> can be used to tonify Kidney, spleen, blood, and

> nourish yin. They also have safe track records and

> are relatively affordable compared to marijuana. Take

> care of yourself ilhan305.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > acupuncture , " ilhan305 "

> > <ilhan305> wrote:

> > > I have recently started using marijuana to help

> > over come my many

> > > complaints. I was diagnosed with kidney

> > deficiency, turbid

> > dampness,

> > > spleen deficiency, blood deficiency, heart heat

> > and general yin

> > > deficiency. But my cheif problems where kidney

> > deficiency and

> > > dampness.

> > > I have realised that after consuming marijuana

> > regularly my health

> > > has improved a whole great deal. I am living in a

> > humid and hot

> > > location in south florida and it seems to me that

> > marijuana

> > > allthough illegal is a very helpful and is a

> > strong blood tonic. I

> > > had problems with anemia that have been solved.

> > The problem is

> > that

> > > after a couple of months of usage I began to have

> > opposite

> > problems

> > > of what I used to have. I started getting purple

> > baggy eyes, lack

> > of

> > > motivation, fatigue, lower back and knee pain all

> > signs of kidney

> > > yang deficiency. My question is if you take a

> > strong yin tonic

> > like

> > > marijuana for a long duration will it lower your

> > yang level?

> > Because

> > > earlier I read in an article that increasing

> > kidney yin will also

> > > give room to increase kidney yang too. But in my

> > case I my kidney

> > > yang has not increased but more decreased overall.

> > THe interesting

> > > part is that my body does not feel cold as it used

> > to but a cold

> > > body is a general sign of yang deficiency. I

> > belevie marijuana

> > > helped improve my circulation to my hands and feet

> > in a great deal.

> > >

> > > I believe Marijuana is an herb not just a

> > recreational drug. Its

> > > green it smells good and it has every

> > characteristic a natural

> > herb

> > > has. The only problem is the law.

> > > I only want to know what Marijuana truely does to

> > the body in a

> > > Chinese point of view. What channels does it enter

> > the body and

> > what

> > > organs does it effect and how.

> > >

> > > Is it a yin tonic a blood tonic or does it simply

> > suck away your

> > > yang energy wich thus brings the bodies yin level

> > up? Please send

> > > your information on this subject, I believe it is

> > a very helpful

> > > topic. Thank you for reading.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

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Hi Ilhan305,

 

Hi ilhan305!

 

I've inserted a few comments in your email and I hope they are of

some help in clearing this up. I also suggest adding a meditation

regime for your emotional symptoms as the " shen is primary " in most

disease processes and without conciously addressing our mental

habits the herbs and acu and lifestyle changes we make are working

against the grain so to speak.

 

acupuncture , " ilhan305 " <ilhan305> wrote:

> I seem to disagree with many things you have said allthough many

of

> what you have said are correct also. If you have checked ayurveda

it

> is considered a tonic.

 

smoked, tea, eaten, in formula or alone?

 

It helped me gain weight unfortionately when

> I stopped smoking I lost the weight I gained. From my experience

of

> months of use of cannabis, it has done much more good for me then

> bad. I dont really know bobee but it seems to me there is a lot of

> propaganda out there on the pro marijuana users and the ones

against

> for it. You have said that it impairs memory and thinking. Yes it

> does for a short duration while you are intoxicated. But the next

> day your mind works very well and my memory has seemed to

increased

> a whole lot since I started to smoke. I beleieve people with a yin

> deficincy are prown to have bad memory, angry, irritable and

overall

> in fast moving depteling state. I have previosly used rehmannia

and

> many other formulas including angelica root for the blood. But

those

> didnt seem to help as much as with marijuana.

 

again, short term, quick results. If it were a true yin tonic, your

results would have been slower to build, longer lasting, not

disappear when you stop use.

 

Besides those herbs

> are considered to be grown in northern cold latitudes and i live

in

> a tropical area. I believe that marijuana can be harmful when

> consumed in northern areas since it does not grow around there. I

> believe marijuana does supress yang but I dont know in what way.

 

Essence depletion. Gynecomastia (male breast formation), low libido

are both proven side effects of chronic, long-term use. This is not

the case with true yin tonics. The wave of yin increase which you

feel when using it could be like the surge of energy one who is

tired gets from Cocaine or speed--artificially induced only to leave

the person depleated in the end.

 

It

> could be because the bodies yin has increased a great deal that

the

> yang gets weaker.

 

This is a dangerous gambit to play. A formula should be balanced so

as not to stress yin or yang according to the tenets of Chinese

Herbal Medicine.

 

But over time the yang gets used to the

> suppression and increases. So when I quit then my yang falls back

to

> normal if not stronger, that is why marijuana withdrawal has side

> effects of insomnia, anger, aggession ... all yang attributes.

 

These are not signs of healthy body yang. These are pathological

signs of yang rising due to yin (sometimes combined with yang) xu.

 

But

> if you think about it rehmania does the same thing too. It also

> increases yin power wich in turn once stopped taking rehmannia

your

> yang increases over the yin just like in marijuana.

 

This is because shou di huang is a true yin and essence tonic. One

does not end up with signs of yang rising but rather has healthy

yang signs--more energy, less cold feeling etc.--unless their

formula was not correctly balanced.

 

Now let me tell

> you the side effects that I have encountered with marijuana and

this

> is not a essence deficiency type side effects like the previous

> person that posted. I have gained a lot of hair growth on my head

> from smoking marijuana and if you know any friends that smoke

large

> amounts of marijuana you will see that they have a lot of hair on

> their head too. But if you look at the complexion and scalp of a

> tobacco smoker it is totally different. Tabacco is a yang tonic,

so

> strong that it damages yin and essence.

 

Again, I wonder if your blood is not in better shape overall due to

increased appetite and hence food consumption. Blood, as well as

essence, is expressed in the head hair.

 

 

So let me get back to my

> side effects from marijuana use, it lowers my ambition and

> motivation, causes fatigue and sleepiness, sore back and knees,

> baggy eyes... basicly almost every yang deficiency symptom. I am

21

> so naturally I should not have a yang deficiency problem but

> marijuana does supress yang by increasing yin levels in the body.

 

Ambition and motivation are both considered territory of the Zhi, or

Will, which relates to both aspects of the Kidney as well as essence

itself. Fatigue, sore back and knees and baggy eyes are also signs

of yin xu as well as yang xu. If you have yin xu, eventually yang is

effected. With marijuana use affecting now both aspects of the

Kidney, your new symptoms have arisen. This is a very bad sign.

As for pot's helping with irritability and aggression, by depleting

one's essence, one will have less energy with which to be

aggressive. I have noticed this in old people who were once, when

younger, quite surly and became very tame and weak in older age. You

see this with Alzheimers--the person's personality many times does a

180 with those who were passive becoming suddenly aggressive (yang

xu inducing yin xu with essence depletion) and vice versa.

 

So

> for my conlcusion is that marijauan helps the body a whole lot if

> used appropriately. It is a strong yin tonic, but a yang

suppresant.

> I dont really think it depletes kidney essence because I have not

> had a kidney essence deficiency symptom from marijuana. And I do

> believe tabaco does a whole lot more harm to my body then

marijuana

> does nomatter how many people tell me it is not true. If you use a

> vaporizer marijuana doesnt affect the lungs as much. Besides there

> are 2 different strains of marijuana the one that makes you choke

is

> an indica strain wich is grown in northern lattitudes. I believe

it

> is a stronger yin tonic then the sativa strain wich is more

commonly

> found in southern florida. But the sativa strain seems to effect

> the lung very little because the tar is so much less then the

indica

> strain. There is so much more I can write on this topic from my

> experience but I dont have the time to do so. I wish you all good

> luck on your studies of chinese accupuncture and please be free to

> add comments to my post.

 

I'm sorry to burst your bubble with respect to finding a quick fix

for your problems. Sounds like Qi Ju Di Huang Tang or maybe Tian Ma

Gou Teng Yin would be good choices but I don't have your full case

with tongue and pulse to go by. Good Luck with your health and

studies.

 

Respectfully, Shanna

 

 

> acupuncture , BOBBEE <vangstang> wrote:

> > I don't think it enhances the mind at all. Actually,

> > the individual smoking or eating the marijuana only

> > has a feeling of mind enhancement. However to the

> > observer, When marijuana is smoked, the body responds

> > in several ways. The user feels sedated, relaxed. The

> > heart rate increases, the blood pressure drops. Lungs

> > are irritated immediately, resulting in coughing fits.

> > There is an increase in appetite, known colloquially

> > as " the munchies. " Muscle coordination worsens.

> > Confusion sets in, and there may be a sense of deja-vu

> > (a feeling you have already experienced the present),

> > detachment, aloofness or drowsiness. Concentration

> > becomes difficult. Stronger or higher doses may

> > produce giddiness, stimulation and increased

> > alertness. Time, color, and sound seem distorted.

> > There may be visual illusions, hallucinations, and

> > even a sensation of movement under one's feet. In

> > addition, the user may become paranoid or feel

> > detached from him or herself.

> >

> > One interesting result of marijuana use is the effect

> > on the eyes. They become bloodshot as blood flow

> > increases through the mucous membranes, and

> > conjunctivitis (pink eye) may result. Pressure behind

> > eyes is greatly reduced (which is why marijuana is

> > sometimes considered as a possible treatment for

> > glaucoma). The ability of the user to track a moving

> > object, such as a thrown baseball, is greatly

> > impaired. Trailing phenomena, where afterimages of

> > moving objects are seen, is also common.

> >

> > One of the dangers of marijuana use involves the

> > attempt by the user to function while experiencing all

> > these effects. Tasks involving hand-eye coordination,

> > such as driving, are difficult due to sedation,

> > confusion, and the numerous visual impairments.

> > Complex tasks, like programming a VCR, are nearly

> > impossible due to confusion, time distortion, and

> > short-term memory loss.

> >

> > As to your statement on anemia, that is actually a

> > western term. It's difficult for TCM to treat anemia,

> > because the root cause of anemia must be identified.

> > I hope the marijuana is help to you, but I don't think

> > that the underlying cause of your anemia will be

> > addressed with marijuana. You can have potentially

> > serious complications going on in your body if you

> > rely on marijuana use alone. Particularly if lung

> > cancer is the cause of the anemia and the smoke from

> > the marijuana joint/blunt is potentiating the anemia,

> > and THC bronchodilates your lungs masking the low RBC

> > counts.

> >

> > Marijuana use is also problematic due to the numerous

> > results of long-term use. To begin with, THC is a

> > bronchodilator. Like asthma medications, it opens the

> > airways. However, in the case of THC, the open airways

> > result in greater access for smoke, tar, and other

> > irritants and impurities to attack the lungs.

> > Marijuana has a great number of impurities which may

> > vary from plant to plant. Adulterants, pesticides,

> > artificial plant foods, and other chemicals may be

> > present, and several of the impurities are naturally

> > existent in the plant. In addition, because marijuana

> > is generally smoked without any filter of any kind,

> > and the user inhales very deeply and holds the smoke

> > in the lungs, the damage done from a small joint is as

> > damaging as 5 or more tobacco cigarettes. Damage done

> > by blunts (marijuana cigars) is particularly extreme.

> >

> > My suggestion; there are great herbs out there that

> > can be used to tonify Kidney, spleen, blood, and

> > nourish yin. They also have safe track records and

> > are relatively affordable compared to marijuana. Take

> > care of yourself ilhan305.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > acupuncture , " ilhan305 "

> > > <ilhan305> wrote:

> > > > I have recently started using marijuana to help

> > > over come my many

> > > > complaints. I was diagnosed with kidney

> > > deficiency, turbid

> > > dampness,

> > > > spleen deficiency, blood deficiency, heart heat

> > > and general yin

> > > > deficiency. But my cheif problems where kidney

> > > deficiency and

> > > > dampness.

> > > > I have realised that after consuming marijuana

> > > regularly my health

> > > > has improved a whole great deal. I am living in a

> > > humid and hot

> > > > location in south florida and it seems to me that

> > > marijuana

> > > > allthough illegal is a very helpful and is a

> > > strong blood tonic. I

> > > > had problems with anemia that have been solved.

> > > The problem is

> > > that

> > > > after a couple of months of usage I began to have

> > > opposite

> > > problems

> > > > of what I used to have. I started getting purple

> > > baggy eyes, lack

> > > of

> > > > motivation, fatigue, lower back and knee pain all

> > > signs of kidney

> > > > yang deficiency. My question is if you take a

> > > strong yin tonic

> > > like

> > > > marijuana for a long duration will it lower your

> > > yang level?

> > > Because

> > > > earlier I read in an article that increasing

> > > kidney yin will also

> > > > give room to increase kidney yang too. But in my

> > > case I my kidney

> > > > yang has not increased but more decreased overall.

> > > THe interesting

> > > > part is that my body does not feel cold as it used

> > > to but a cold

> > > > body is a general sign of yang deficiency. I

> > > belevie marijuana

> > > > helped improve my circulation to my hands and feet

> > > in a great deal.

> > > >

> > > > I believe Marijuana is an herb not just a

> > > recreational drug. Its

> > > > green it smells good and it has every

> > > characteristic a natural

> > > herb

> > > > has. The only problem is the law.

> > > > I only want to know what Marijuana truely does to

> > > the body in a

> > > > Chinese point of view. What channels does it enter

> > > the body and

> > > what

> > > > organs does it effect and how.

> > > >

> > > > Is it a yin tonic a blood tonic or does it simply

> > > suck away your

> > > > yang energy wich thus brings the bodies yin level

> > > up? Please send

> > > > your information on this subject, I believe it is

> > > a very helpful

> > > > topic. Thank you for reading.

> > >

> > >

> >

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Hi ilhan305 and BOBBEE:

 

Remember, I said " depending on dosages and frequencies " . Two packs

of cigs a day compared to one or two puffs of pot from a pipe are

not comparable in the damage they cause. Tobacco is not, as you

claim, a yang tonic. It may contribute to unhealthy yang in the body

but not healthy, true yang qi. In that case it would be considered

a yang pathogen which contributes heat or fire, not true, healthy,

clean yang. Same for marijuana with respect to yin tonification. I

was taught by my teacher, Jamie Wu Qian-Zhi, that most if not all

addictive substances serve and tempt us by, through different

mechanisms, moving the qi and causing a temporary feeling of relief.

However they do not do this without a cost to our Zhen Qi and

overall yin and yang and, in many cases after long term use, essence.

I, too, wish this wasn't so. It would be so easy and pleasant to

just smoke a joint or drink a six pack to experience gains in our

health instead of having to watch our diet, find good formulas and

drink them, get treatments when needed, go to bed early and think

kind thoughts. But this simply is not the case :-(

Thanks, Shanna

 

 

acupuncture , BOBBEE <vangstang> wrote:

> Great information ilhan305! Thanks. I agree with you

> about tobacco too. I personally think that any smoke

> you put into your body can be harmful. Its odd how

> humans are the only species to like the inhalation of

> smoke, whether it be from cigarettes, cigars, or

> marijuana.

>

> However, I still do think that there are cheaper

> alternatives in the materia medica to marijuana.

> Marijuana can probably get pretty pricy if a long term

> use is prescribed.

>

> Bobbee

>

> --- ilhan305 <ilhan305> wrote:

> > I seem to disagree with many things you have said

> > allthough many of

> > what you have said are correct also. If you have

> > checked ayurveda it

> > is considered a tonic. It helped me gain weight

> > unfortionately when

> > I stopped smoking I lost the weight I gained. From

> > my experience of

> > months of use of cannabis, it has done much more

> > good for me then

> > bad. I dont really know bobee but it seems to me

> > there is a lot of

> > propaganda out there on the pro marijuana users and

> > the ones against

> > for it. You have said that it impairs memory and

> > thinking. Yes it

> > does for a short duration while you are intoxicated.

> > But the next

> > day your mind works very well and my memory has

> > seemed to increased

> > a whole lot since I started to smoke. I beleieve

> > people with a yin

> > deficincy are prown to have bad memory, angry,

> > irritable and overall

> > in fast moving depteling state. I have previosly

> > used rehmannia and

> > many other formulas including angelica root for the

> > blood. But those

> > didnt seem to help as much as with marijuana.

> > Besides those herbs

> > are considered to be grown in northern cold

> > latitudes and i live in

> > a tropical area. I believe that marijuana can be

> > harmful when

> > consumed in northern areas since it does not grow

> > around there. I

> > believe marijuana does supress yang but I dont know

> > in what way. It

> > could be because the bodies yin has increased a

> > great deal that the

> > yang gets weaker. But over time the yang gets used

> > to the

> > suppression and increases. So when I quit then my

> > yang falls back to

> > normal if not stronger, that is why marijuana

> > withdrawal has side

> > effects of insomnia, anger, aggession ... all yang

> > attributes. But

> > if you think about it rehmania does the same thing

> > too. It also

> > increases yin power wich in turn once stopped taking

> > rehmannia your

> > yang increases over the yin just like in marijuana.

> > Now let me tell

> > you the side effects that I have encountered with

> > marijuana and this

> > is not a essence deficiency type side effects like

> > the previous

> > person that posted. I have gained a lot of hair

> > growth on my head

> > from smoking marijuana and if you know any friends

> > that smoke large

> > amounts of marijuana you will see that they have a

> > lot of hair on

> > their head too. But if you look at the complexion

> > and scalp of a

> > tobacco smoker it is totally different. Tabacco is a

> > yang tonic, so

> > strong that it damages yin and essence. So let me

> > get back to my

> > side effects from marijuana use, it lowers my

> > ambition and

> > motivation, causes fatigue and sleepiness, sore back

> > and knees,

> > baggy eyes... basicly almost every yang deficiency

> > symptom. I am 21

> > so naturally I should not have a yang deficiency

> > problem but

> > marijuana does supress yang by increasing yin levels

> > in the body. So

> > for my conlcusion is that marijauan helps the body a

> > whole lot if

> > used appropriately. It is a strong yin tonic, but a

> > yang suppresant.

> > I dont really think it depletes kidney essence

> > because I have not

> > had a kidney essence deficiency symptom from

> > marijuana. And I do

> > believe tabaco does a whole lot more harm to my body

> > then marijuana

> > does nomatter how many people tell me it is not

> > true. If you use a

> > vaporizer marijuana doesnt affect the lungs as much.

> > Besides there

> > are 2 different strains of marijuana the one that

> > makes you choke is

> > an indica strain wich is grown in northern

> > lattitudes. I believe it

> > is a stronger yin tonic then the sativa strain wich

> > is more commonly

> > found in southern florida. But the sativa strain

> > seems to effect

> > the lung very little because the tar is so much less

> > then the indica

> > strain. There is so much more I can write on this

> > topic from my

> > experience but I dont have the time to do so. I wish

> > you all good

> > luck on your studies of chinese accupuncture and

> > please be free to

> > add comments to my post.

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