Guest guest Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Doc and group, The word " spiritual " has devolved into a rather nebulous term throughout the last couple of decades. It used have a much more solid feel to it. Now it's taken on the form of an umbrella, a rather large and generalized one. One that will include any expression; Christianity and other mainstream religions, scientology, Hare Krishna's, Kabalah, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, and just about ANYthing new-age will scurry on over to be included. There are some rather interesting ideas that would or could be considered flakey if not for being under the ever increasing spiritual umbrella. One the other hand...who knows...maybe that's the point? If WE ARE ALL ONE, the term " all inclusive " may be redundant after all, eh? We are constantly being reminded that " we are all exactly where we are supposed to be, or we wouldn't be here " . We attracts people, events, and things to us that reflect EXACTLY where we are mentally, physically, emotionally. We reach into WE ARE ALL ONE and pull out the circumstances necessary to reflect our underlying beliefs and attitudes. Usually unconsciously until we learn to pay attention...then we learn to pay intention, also. On a more personal note, when " spiritual " comes to mind, it means that which is pure enough to reinforce my awareness of connection with God. And no, I don't have any tangible *verification* of this Melissa , " docspeed2001 " <docspeed2001 wrote: > > > ptvvuuren@ May 19, 2009 > > I have been interested now for years in spiritual development, and maybe I can learn more from joining a group > > > > Group, > > Just curious, but what does the word 'spiritual' mean to you? > > Notice that NO WHERE in the description to this group is that word used. > > There is a reason for that. > > One of the reasons is, " we are all exactly where we are supposed to be, or we wouldn't be here " . > > Now, " why is that true? " or, " why is that not true? " > > This could be a cool thread as long as no one starts waving a sword attempting to enforce their religious 'truth'. > > I'm after stuff that has some type of verification, or experiences attached to it. > > John La Tourrette, PhD > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 , " gogetmel " <gogetmel wrote: > > Doc and group, > > The word " spiritual " has devolved into a rather nebulous term throughout the last couple of decades. > > It used have a much more solid feel to it. > > Now it's taken on the form of an umbrella, a rather large and generalized one. > Yep. Just a 'quickie' here. Back about 12-13 years ago I taught all the Huna Trainers at the World Huna Convention (my seminar was a 2 day event, from 8 am until 11 pm, both days, BEFORE the regular convention) how to become psychic, and then we did readings and verified THEY had those skills at lease 80%. This one 'spiritual' lady was blown away. After the intensive she came up to me and said, " the Lord works in strange ways...getting someone like you to teach us those spiritual skills... " , ....and she walked away shaking her head. I think I might have used a few 'dirty words' (I have a deep kinesthetic sensory lead system) when presenting, and she could NOT come to any type of inner understanding with how I presented myself and with what she considered 'spiritual teachings'. So she was very conflicted and confused about the powerful spiritual (her words) skills taught. In my mind I just showed them how to remote view, and how to successfully do remote healing. All she could remember was the word, 'shxt'. I just thought it was funny. John La Tourrette, PhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Spirituality has revealed a new side! Christianity can now be accessed in the form of cheetos. Yes, you read that right. Some one got the bright idea to manufacture cheetos in the shape of Jesus... Holy Guacamole, whatever will they think of next?? Melissa , " docspeed2001 " <docspeed2001 wrote: > > , " gogetmel " <gogetmel@> wrote: > > > > Doc and group, > > > > The word " spiritual " has devolved into a rather nebulous term throughout the last couple of decades. > > > > It used have a much more solid feel to it. > > > > Now it's taken on the form of an umbrella, a rather large and generalized one. > > > > Yep. > > Just a 'quickie' here. > > Back about 12-13 years ago I taught all the Huna Trainers at the World Huna Convention (my seminar was a 2 day event, from 8 am until 11 pm, both days, BEFORE the regular convention) how to become psychic, and then we did readings and verified THEY had those skills at lease 80%. > > This one 'spiritual' lady was blown away. > > After the intensive she came up to me and said, " the Lord works in strange ways...getting someone like you to teach us those spiritual skills... " , > > ...and she walked away shaking her head. > > I think I might have used a few 'dirty words' (I have a deep kinesthetic sensory lead system) when presenting, and she could NOT come to any type of inner understanding with how I presented myself and with what she considered 'spiritual teachings'. > > So she was very conflicted and confused about the powerful spiritual (her words) skills taught. > > In my mind I just showed them how to remote view, and how to successfully do remote healing. > > All she could remember was the word, 'shxt'. > > I just thought it was funny. > > John La Tourrette, PhD > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hi Doc and all, I am currently in Beijing. I finished up with a customer yesterday so I took some time and went to the Lama temple here (that's Tibetan Buddhism). It is still in use as a site of worship. The thing I noticed was that the worshippers there were radiating calming energy. It made me think about what 'spiritual' means to me. I thought I would share what I came up with. Perhaps others knowing my mind map on this will allow for improved communication and stimulate some new thoughts on the subject. I don't think that because they were Buddhist they were necessarily more spiritual than Christians or anyone else. Nor do I think Buddha poured his spirit down on them as a blessing. I think that at the moment they were there they were focused on the beliefs, attitudes with intent and that adjusted their energies according to the associated morphogenic/genetic fields and synchronized them with the others there now and before with the same fields. So as I thought about it more I found that to explain 'spiritual' first I needed to define 'spirit'. I find that spirit is a tensor-like quantity for me. To define the multi-dimensional character I decided it is the creative source of the attitude that makes the decisions. Then the magnitude would be the level of willpower also known to us as intent that a given being can generate. And some of the other information we can get out of understanding this thing 'spirit' is the level of focus that one can attain with their intent. This tells us things about the cohesiveness of the spirit involved. Now I probably need to explain what I meant as I used some words in there that have much more specific meanings for me and are generally misused to the point of being confusing for most. Let's start with 'focused'. To a physicist focusing is about converging a stream of particles towards a single point. The focal plane is the plane perpendicular to the overall beam that has the smallest surface. Nothing ever focuses to zero surface. How well things such as lenses or mirrors can focus a beam is determined by several factors and obeys a quantum mechanical limit known as the uncertainty principle. So when I use the word focus for spirit I am talking about putting the totality of their beliefs, attitudes, and external awareness into the chosen intention to the fullest level of their ability to the exclusion of any distraction towards other outcomes than the intended. This convergence of all the beliefs, attitude, and awareness into a single task is the 'focus' I am referencing here. To discuss cohesiveness this has to do with the level in which the beliefs and attitudes are congruent versus non-congruent in a 'spirit'. Non-congruent beliefs decrease focus and lower overall willpower. There is a lot of math I could go into that is implied in my chosen definitions and those that know the math will understand these properties and how they relate to the two words. For those of you that know tensors certainly a 'hermitian spirit' will focus better along certain directions to get sh#t done than a 'skew hermitian spirit'. And 'spirits' with no 'transpose' are less cohesive. Last, certain translations of 'spirit' will work well for some more than others resulting in less shock when they are confronted with 'the world outside the jar'. Now that I have defined my terms well enough that a mathematician knows what I am saying I will continue on towards the word 'spiritual'. So how could one be more 'spiritual' than another? This one is a bit more difficult for me. What I came up with was the closest thing for me to the common usage is derived from something I remember my best friend saying to me shortly after I met him. " everyone deserves respect " .there is a second half to that but this first half contains what I need to define spiritual for me. To be spiritual one must respect spirit. To respect life and the choices those spirits in bodies around us are capable of. It isn't about whether you use 'bad' words or not. It's about your respect for the freedom of choice and creative growth of the spirits around you in general. From that point of view I find that the lady was spiritual enough to respect Doc's skills but not spiritual enough to grow past her own self-limiting garbage. Her guilt and fear of certain words limits what she can learn and how. Clearly her beliefs about certain words were incongruent with the actuality she experienced in that seminar. How much more respect for those around her and their capabilities would she gain from some technique such as zoomer, parts integration, IDD or the easy energy method? And by my definition that would be an improvement in her 'spirituality' To put it bluntly, discounting what a person is capable of because they use words she doesn't like is attempting to limit them and disrespectful of them as fellow beings. Now here's the interesting part for me. the other half of the quote is " trust has to be earned' and that is a statement about wisdom. And spirituality doesn't imply wisdom for me. All those people burning incense to Buddha to get their prayers answered certainly were in a state of calm, respectful serenity and thus by their cohesive focused and respectful state they were very spiritual at that moment. Since they were asking a being outside themselves to take care of their problems I don't think they were wise. Because of their state of mind I am sure many of them will see positive results in much the same way that strong beliefs, proper state of mind help to heal a good catholic sometimes too (sometimes some of them will go to alpha/theta). As a last comment, I do agree with Doc on the comment that most of the people that use that word (spiritual) are using it as a weapon against others to get what they want. And when you go look at the things that the typical 'spiritual' person does such as sleep with the women of his congregation and lie to get his congregation in a state of panic where they will give him their money you realize that they are not really spiritual in their hearts at all. In fact, a better description for most of them would be 'hypocritical dirt bags'. My take on it after feeling the calming energy pouring out of a 'spiritual' place (funny thing is I felt the same kind of energy from DE at the 5 day intensive I went to); Walter Hurlbut, PhD Physics _____ On Behalf Of docspeed2001 Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:34 PM Re: What does 'spiritual' mean to you? healingenergies- <%40> essentialskills , " gogetmel " <gogetmel wrote: > > Doc and group, > > The word " spiritual " has devolved into a rather nebulous term throughout the last couple of decades. > > It used have a much more solid feel to it. > > Now it's taken on the form of an umbrella, a rather large and generalized one. > Yep. Just a 'quickie' here. Back about 12-13 years ago I taught all the Huna Trainers at the World Huna Convention (my seminar was a 2 day event, from 8 am until 11 pm, both days, BEFORE the regular convention) how to become psychic, and then we did readings and verified THEY had those skills at lease 80%. This one 'spiritual' lady was blown away. After the intensive she came up to me and said, " the Lord works in strange ways...getting someone like you to teach us those spiritual skills... " , ....and she walked away shaking her head. I think I might have used a few 'dirty words' (I have a deep kinesthetic sensory lead system) when presenting, and she could NOT come to any type of inner understanding with how I presented myself and with what she considered 'spiritual teachings'. So she was very conflicted and confused about the powerful spiritual (her words) skills taught. In my mind I just showed them how to remote view, and how to successfully do remote healing. All she could remember was the word, 'shxt'. I just thought it was funny. John La Tourrette, PhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:04 PM, docspeed2001 <docspeed2001 wrote: > > Group, > > Just curious, but what does the word 'spiritual' mean to you? > > Notice that NO WHERE in the description to this group is that word used. > > There is a reason for that. > > One of the reasons is, " we are all exactly where we are supposed to be, or > we wouldn't be here " . > > Now, " why is that true? " or, " why is that not true? " > > This could be a cool thread as long as no one starts waving a sword > attempting to enforce their religious 'truth'. > > I'm after stuff that has some type of verification, or experiences attached > to it. > > John La Tourrette, PhD > For my own life, the best approach to 'spirituality' that I've found so far is noticing the similarities and differences between 1) what I say I do, 2) what I want/plan to do, and 3) what I actually do. Anything beyond that, that I've tried so far, usually takes me into a " I'm more special than everybody else " mindset, which is at best counterproductive, for me. One of my primary criteria for 'spirituality' is that it should provide me with direction and motivation for growing as a person without setting me 'apart' from others. Thanks, David Brandt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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