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OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM

Botulinum 'is WMD'

State Department spokesman: Lethal bio-toxin 'kills people, it kills people

in large quantities'

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34917

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Posted: October 4, 2003

1:00 a.m. Eastern

 

 

 

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

 

 

The vial of botulinum bacteria discovered in Iraq by U.S. arms inspectors –

which experts call the most poisonous substance known to man – is " a weapon

of mass destruction, " the State Department's top spokesman announced

yesterday.

 

" Botulinum kills people, it kills people in large quantities. Botulinum is a

weapon of mass destruction, yes, " said State spokesman Richard Boucher, "

according to an Agence France-Presse report. " Anything that destroys on a

massive scale is a weapon of mass destruction. "

 

The botulinum had been stored in a vial discovered in an Iraqi scientist's

refrigerator, where it had been stored for safe keeping since 1993.

 

Earlier in the day, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the press the

report on ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's weapons program, just

released by the government's lead weapons inspector David Kay, justified the

decision to invade Iraq.

 

Kay's " interim assessment " described discoveries of illicit arms programs,

as well as evidence Saddam was intent on developing weapons of mass

destruction, including chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, despite

United Nations prohibitions.

 

When reporters grilled Powell as to whether he thought weapons inspectors'

efforts would ever yield " weapons of mass destruction, " Powell replied

rhetorically: " Do you think vials of botulinum should constitute a weapon of

mass destruction? "

 

And President George Bush, before boarding Marine One, claimed the Kay

report vindicated the Iraqi war effort:

 

" The report states that Saddam Hussein's regime had a clandestine network of

biological laboratories, a live strain of deadly agent botulinum,

sophisticated concealment efforts and advanced design work on prohibited

longer-range missiles, " said Bush. " These findings already make clear that

Saddam Hussein actively deceived the international community, that Saddam

Hussein, was in clear violation of United Nations Security Council

Resolution 1441 and that Saddam Hussein was a danger to the world. "

 

The president added that Kaye's " Iraq Survey Group " discovered " dozens of

WMD (weapons of mass destruction)-related program activities and significant

amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the

inspections that began in 2002. " He added that Kay and his team found

" systematic destruction of evidence of these illegal activities. "

 

The Bush administration had relied on U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441

as a legal basis for the March invasion. The resolution threatened the

Saddam Hussein regime with " serious consequences " for failing to demonstrate

that it had ended its WMD program.

 

Weeks before the invasion, on Feb. 5, Powell laid out the case against

Saddam before the Security Council and the world, during which he referred

to Iraq's biological weapons programs and its capability of producing deadly

botulinum and other toxins.

 

" There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the

capability to rapidly produce more, many more, " Powell said, pointing out

Iraq had admitted to producing botulinum. " And he has the ability to

dispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massive

death and destruction. "

 

Noting that the vial of live botulinum bacteria had been hidden in an Iraqi

scientist's home refrigerator, Kay, testifying before Congress, said the

discovery " illustrates the point ... about the difficulty of locating small

stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadly

weapons. "

 

According to Agence France-Presse, the Center for Civilian Bio-defense

Strategies at Johns Hopkins University says: " Botulinum toxin is the single

most poisonous substance known " and " poses a major bioweapons threat because

of its extreme potency and lethality, its ease of production, transport and

misuse, and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in affected

persons. "

 

Kay, a veteran former U.N. weapons inspector, says the investigation he is

leading involves over 1,200 staffers, and is likely to take another six to

nine months. He asked reporters for " time and patience in the answers you

really deserve, " noting that the regime of Saddam Hussein had " engaged in

extensive deceptions. "

 

In fact, said Kay, his team has found signs that arms may have been moved

out of the country before Saddam's fall.

 

When reporters asked Kay at a telephone press conference whether chemical or

biological weapons had been moved out of Iraq before the March invasion,

reports AFP, the lead inspector replied: " We have multiple reports from

Iraqis of substances being moved across borders. " He added: " We've got

information indicating movement to Iran, Syria, Jordan, essentially all

states that border the north with Iraq, that's not surprising those routes

have been long used. At least with regard to Syria and Jordan, certainly

senior Iraqi officials, both military and scientific, moved to both

countries pre-conflict and during the conflict, and some immediately after

the conflict. "

 

Earlier this week, biological and chemical weapons turned up in Kuwait,

according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyassah.

 

The pro-government daily reported Kuwaiti security forces foiled an

attempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological

warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country. Citing an unnamed

security source, Al-Siyassah said the smugglers had been under surveillance

since they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested " in due time. "

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The Bush Regime probably PLANTED vial to be FOUND

 

 

 

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Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:06 AM

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OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOMBotulinum 'is WMD'State Department spokesman: Lethal bio-toxin 'kills people, it kills peoplein large quantities'http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34917--Posted: October 4, 20031:00 a.m. Eastern© 2003 WorldNetDaily.comThe vial of botulinum bacteria discovered in Iraq by U.S. arms inspectors –which experts call the most poisonous substance known to man – is "a weaponof mass destruction," the State Department's top spokesman announcedyesterday."Botulinum kills people, it kills people in large quantities. Botulinum is aweapon of mass destruction, yes," said State spokesman Richard Boucher,"according to an Agence France-Presse report. "Anything that destroys on amassive scale is a weapon of mass destruction."The botulinum had been stored in a vial discovered in an Iraqi scientist'srefrigerator, where it had been stored for safe keeping since 1993.Earlier in the day, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the press thereport on ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's weapons program, justreleased by the government's lead weapons inspector David Kay, justified thedecision to invade Iraq.Kay's "interim assessment" described discoveries of illicit arms programs,as well as evidence Saddam was intent on developing weapons of massdestruction, including chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, despiteUnited Nations prohibitions.When reporters grilled Powell as to whether he thought weapons inspectors'efforts would ever yield "weapons of mass destruction," Powell repliedrhetorically: "Do you think vials of botulinum should constitute a weapon ofmass destruction?"And President George Bush, before boarding Marine One, claimed the Kayreport vindicated the Iraqi war effort:"The report states that Saddam Hussein's regime had a clandestine network ofbiological laboratories, a live strain of deadly agent botulinum,sophisticated concealment efforts and advanced design work on prohibitedlonger-range missiles," said Bush. "These findings already make clear thatSaddam Hussein actively deceived the international community, that SaddamHussein, was in clear violation of United Nations Security CouncilResolution 1441 and that Saddam Hussein was a danger to the world."The president added that Kaye's "Iraq Survey Group" discovered "dozens ofWMD (weapons of mass destruction)-related program activities and significantamounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during theinspections that began in 2002." He added that Kay and his team found"systematic destruction of evidence of these illegal activities."The Bush administration had relied on U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441as a legal basis for the March invasion. The resolution threatened theSaddam Hussein regime with "serious consequences" for failing to demonstratethat it had ended its WMD program.Weeks before the invasion, on Feb. 5, Powell laid out the case againstSaddam before the Security Council and the world, during which he referredto Iraq's biological weapons programs and its capability of producing deadlybotulinum and other toxins."There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and thecapability to rapidly produce more, many more," Powell said, pointing outIraq had admitted to producing botulinum. "And he has the ability todispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massivedeath and destruction."Noting that the vial of live botulinum bacteria had been hidden in an Iraqiscientist's home refrigerator, Kay, testifying before Congress, said thediscovery "illustrates the point ... about the difficulty of locating smallstocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadlyweapons."According to Agence France-Presse, the Center for Civilian Bio-defenseStrategies at Johns Hopkins University says: "Botulinum toxin is the singlemost poisonous substance known" and "poses a major bioweapons threat becauseof its extreme potency and lethality, its ease of production, transport andmisuse, and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in affectedpersons."Kay, a veteran former U.N. weapons inspector, says the investigation he isleading involves over 1,200 staffers, and is likely to take another six tonine months. He asked reporters for "time and patience in the answers youreally deserve," noting that the regime of Saddam Hussein had "engaged inextensive deceptions."In fact, said Kay, his team has found signs that arms may have been movedout of the country before Saddam's fall.When reporters asked Kay at a telephone press conference whether chemical orbiological weapons had been moved out of Iraq before the March invasion,reports AFP, the lead inspector replied: "We have multiple reports fromIraqis of substances being moved across borders." He added: "We've gotinformation indicating movement to Iran, Syria, Jordan, essentially allstates that border the north with Iraq, that's not surprising those routeshave been long used. At least with regard to Syria and Jordan, certainlysenior Iraqi officials, both military and scientific, moved to bothcountries pre-conflict and during the conflict, and some immediately afterthe conflict."Earlier this week, biological and chemical weapons turned up in Kuwait,according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyassah.The pro-government daily reported Kuwaiti security forces foiled anattempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biologicalwarheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country. 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Do you really think if they were going to plant something that they would not have done it long ago. And do you really think Saddam Hussein is innocent? Oh please!

 

Donna

 

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Ed Siceloff

Sunday, October 05, 2003 10:47 AM

RE: Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

 

 

Lol. I agtree Lucky. I’ve said, not here, for some months now that given long enough time, WMD will be found because they (Bush administration) will have had time to get them there, on the sly of course. One would think that most of the people residing in the US would be able to figure this one out and at least be suspicious. Along with the entire rest of the world as well. Of course, if the thing dated 1993, that takes us back a few years and would actually be evidence that amonst all the WMD that Hussein had bought, manufactured, or attained by whatever process, could it be possible that one vial of a deadly poison was missed. And, that the evidence would then point to what had been stored previously rather than a pattern of crime after he lost the war with the Bush family and their trading partners. Either one of those scenarios is more likely than the idea that he continued attaining WMD, considering that this vial is the first thing found after how many months of looking.

 

Ed

 

luckypig [luckypig] Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

 

 

 

 

The Bush Regime probably PLANTED vial to be FOUND

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Misty

 

Health and Healing ; Armageddon or New Age

 

Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:06 AM

 

Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

 

 

OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOMBotulinum 'is WMD'State Department spokesman: Lethal bio-toxin 'kills people, it kills peoplein large quantities'http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34917--Posted: October 4, 20031:00 a.m. Eastern© 2003 WorldNetDaily.comThe vial of botulinum bacteria discovered in Iraq by U.S. arms inspectors –which experts call the most poisonous substance known to man – is "a weaponof mass destruction," the State Department's top spokesman announcedyesterday."Botulinum kills people, it kills people in large quantities. Botulinum is aweapon of mass destruction, yes," said State spokesman Richard Boucher,"according to an Agence France-Presse report. "Anything that destroys on amassive scale is a weapon of mass destruction."The botulinum had been stored in a vial discovered in an Iraqi scientist'srefrigerator, where it had been stored for safe keeping since 1993.Earlier in the day, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the press thereport on ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's weapons program, justreleased by the government's lead weapons inspector David Kay, justified thedecision to invade Iraq.Kay's "interim assessment" described discoveries of illicit arms programs,as well as evidence Saddam was intent on developing weapons of massdestruction, including chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, despiteUnited Nations prohibitions.When reporters grilled Powell as to whether he thought weapons inspectors'efforts would ever yield "weapons of mass destruction," Powell repliedrhetorically: "Do you think vials of botulinum should constitute a weapon ofmass destruction?"And President George Bush, before boarding Marine One, claimed the Kayreport vindicated the Iraqi war effort:"The report states that Saddam Hussein's regime had a clandestine network ofbiological laboratories, a live strain of deadly agent botulinum,sophisticated concealment efforts and advanced design work on prohibitedlonger-range missiles," said Bush. "These findings already make clear thatSaddam Hussein actively deceived the international community, that SaddamHussein, was in clear violation of United Nations Security CouncilResolution 1441 and that Saddam Hussein was a danger to the world."The president added that Kaye's "Iraq Survey Group" discovered "dozens ofWMD (weapons of mass destruction)-related program activities and significantamounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during theinspections that began in 2002." He added that Kay and his team found"systematic destruction of evidence of these illegal activities."The Bush administration had relied on U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441as a legal basis for the March invasion. The resolution threatened theSaddam Hussein regime with "serious consequences" for failing to demonstratethat it had ended its WMD program.Weeks before the invasion, on Feb. 5, Powell laid out the case againstSaddam before the Security Council and the world, during which he referredto Iraq's biological weapons programs and its capability of producing deadlybotulinum and other toxins."There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and thecapability to rapidly produce more, many more," Powell said, pointing outIraq had admitted to producing botulinum. "And he has the ability todispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massivedeath and destruction."Noting that the vial of live botulinum bacteria had been hidden in an Iraqiscientist's home refrigerator, Kay, testifying before Congress, said thediscovery "illustrates the point ... about the difficulty of locating smallstocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadlyweapons."According to Agence France-Presse, the Center for Civilian Bio-defenseStrategies at Johns Hopkins University says: "Botulinum toxin is the singlemost poisonous substance known" and "poses a major bioweapons threat becauseof its extreme potency and lethality, its ease of production, transport andmisuse, and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in affectedpersons."Kay, a veteran former U.N. weapons inspector, says the investigation he isleading involves over 1,200 staffers, and is likely to take another six tonine months. He asked reporters for "time and patience in the answers youreally deserve," noting that the regime of Saddam Hussein had "engaged inextensive deceptions."In fact, said Kay, his team has found signs that arms may have been movedout of the country before Saddam's fall.When reporters asked Kay at a telephone press conference whether chemical orbiological weapons had been moved out of Iraq before the March invasion,reports AFP, the lead inspector replied: "We have multiple reports fromIraqis of substances being moved across borders." He added: "We've gotinformation indicating movement to Iran, Syria, Jordan, essentially allstates that border the north with Iraq, that's not surprising those routeshave been long used. At least with regard to Syria and Jordan, certainlysenior Iraqi officials, both military and scientific, moved to bothcountries pre-conflict and during the conflict, and some immediately afterthe conflict."Earlier this week, biological and chemical weapons turned up in Kuwait,according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyassah.The pro-government daily reported Kuwaiti security forces foiled anattempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biologicalwarheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country. Citing an unnamedsecurity source, Al-Siyassah said the smugglers had been under surveillancesince they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested "in due time."«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»NATIONWIDE DENTAL BENEFITS PACKAGE PLUSSAVE UP TO 80% on DENTAL, PRESCRIPTIONS DRUGS,GLASSES, CONTACTS, VISION CARE, & CHIROPRACTIC.$11.95 For Single or$19.95 For an entire household per month!Immediate Coverage * No Waiting Period Pre-existing Covered * No Limit on Benefits http://www.mybenefitsplus.com/MMerrill/ Email: MEM121«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§ - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! §Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. 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the phage vector for most biological pathogens is E Coli., making

the E coli. the vehicle that carries it into the system

biological weapons have been used for centuries

karl

 

In , " CountryGirl " <ruthful@p...>

wrote:

> Do you really think if they were going to plant something that

they would not have done it long ago. And do you really think

Saddam Hussein is innocent? Oh please!

>

> Donna

> -

> Ed Siceloff

>

> Sunday, October 05, 2003 10:47 AM

> RE: Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

>

>

> Lol. I agtree Lucky. I've said, not here, for some months now

that given long enough time, WMD will be found because they (Bush

administration) will have had time to get them there, on the sly of

course. One would think that most of the people residing in the US

would be able to figure this one out and at least be suspicious.

Along with the entire rest of the world as well. Of course, if the

thing dated 1993, that takes us back a few years and would actually

be evidence that amonst all the WMD that Hussein had bought,

manufactured, or attained by whatever process, could it be possible

that one vial of a deadly poison was missed. And, that the evidence

would then point to what had been stored previously rather than a

pattern of crime after he lost the war with the Bush family and

their trading partners. Either one of those scenarios is more

likely than the idea that he continued attaining WMD, considering

that this vial is the first thing found after how many months of

looking.

>

>

>

> Ed

>

>

>

>

> luckypig [luckypig@i...]

> Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:01 AM

>

> Re: Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

>

>

>

>

>

> The Bush Regime probably PLANTED vial to be FOUND

>

-

>

> Misty

>

> Health and Healing ; Armageddon or New Age

>

> Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:06 AM

>

> Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

>

>

>

> OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM

> Botulinum 'is WMD'

> State Department spokesman: Lethal bio-toxin 'kills people, it

kills people

> in large quantities'

> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34917

> ------------------------------

-------------

> ----

> Posted: October 4, 2003

> 1:00 a.m. Eastern

>

>

>

> © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

>

>

> The vial of botulinum bacteria discovered in Iraq by U.S. arms

inspectors -

> which experts call the most poisonous substance known to man -

is " a weapon

> of mass destruction, " the State Department's top spokesman

announced

> yesterday.

>

> " Botulinum kills people, it kills people in large quantities.

Botulinum is a

> weapon of mass destruction, yes, " said State spokesman Richard

Boucher, "

> according to an Agence France-Presse report. " Anything that

destroys on a

> massive scale is a weapon of mass destruction. "

>

> The botulinum had been stored in a vial discovered in an Iraqi

scientist's

> refrigerator, where it had been stored for safe keeping since

1993.

>

> Earlier in the day, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the

press the

> report on ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's weapons

program, just

> released by the government's lead weapons inspector David Kay,

justified the

> decision to invade Iraq.

>

> Kay's " interim assessment " described discoveries of illicit

arms programs,

> as well as evidence Saddam was intent on developing weapons of

mass

> destruction, including chemical, biological and nuclear

weapons, despite

> United Nations prohibitions.

>

> When reporters grilled Powell as to whether he thought weapons

inspectors'

> efforts would ever yield " weapons of mass destruction, " Powell

replied

> rhetorically: " Do you think vials of botulinum should

constitute a weapon of

> mass destruction? "

>

> And President George Bush, before boarding Marine One, claimed

the Kay

> report vindicated the Iraqi war effort:

>

> " The report states that Saddam Hussein's regime had a

clandestine network of

> biological laboratories, a live strain of deadly agent

botulinum,

> sophisticated concealment efforts and advanced design work on

prohibited

> longer-range missiles, " said Bush. " These findings already

make clear that

> Saddam Hussein actively deceived the international community,

that Saddam

> Hussein, was in clear violation of United Nations Security

Council

> Resolution 1441 and that Saddam Hussein was a danger to the

world. "

>

> The president added that Kaye's " Iraq Survey Group "

discovered " dozens of

> WMD (weapons of mass destruction)-related program activities

and significant

> amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United

Nations during the

> inspections that began in 2002. " He added that Kay and his

team found

> " systematic destruction of evidence of these illegal

activities. "

>

> The Bush administration had relied on U.N. Security Council

Resolution 1441

> as a legal basis for the March invasion. The resolution

threatened the

> Saddam Hussein regime with " serious consequences " for failing

to demonstrate

> that it had ended its WMD program.

>

> Weeks before the invasion, on Feb. 5, Powell laid out the case

against

> Saddam before the Security Council and the world, during which

he referred

> to Iraq's biological weapons programs and its capability of

producing deadly

> botulinum and other toxins.

>

> " There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological

weapons and the

> capability to rapidly produce more, many more, " Powell said,

pointing out

> Iraq had admitted to producing botulinum. " And he has the

ability to

> dispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can

cause massive

> death and destruction. "

>

> Noting that the vial of live botulinum bacteria had been

hidden in an Iraqi

> scientist's home refrigerator, Kay, testifying before

Congress, said the

> discovery " illustrates the point ... about the difficulty of

locating small

> stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge

production of deadly

> weapons. "

>

> According to Agence France-Presse, the Center for Civilian Bio-

defense

> Strategies at Johns Hopkins University says: " Botulinum toxin

is the single

> most poisonous substance known " and " poses a major bioweapons

threat because

> of its extreme potency and lethality, its ease of production,

transport and

> misuse, and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in

affected

> persons. "

>

> Kay, a veteran former U.N. weapons inspector, says the

investigation he is

> leading involves over 1,200 staffers, and is likely to take

another six to

> nine months. He asked reporters for " time and patience in the

answers you

> really deserve, " noting that the regime of Saddam Hussein

had " engaged in

> extensive deceptions. "

>

> In fact, said Kay, his team has found signs that arms may have

been moved

> out of the country before Saddam's fall.

>

> When reporters asked Kay at a telephone press conference

whether chemical or

> biological weapons had been moved out of Iraq before the March

invasion,

> reports AFP, the lead inspector replied: " We have multiple

reports from

> Iraqis of substances being moved across borders. " He

added: " We've got

> information indicating movement to Iran, Syria, Jordan,

essentially all

> states that border the north with Iraq, that's not surprising

those routes

> have been long used. At least with regard to Syria and Jordan,

certainly

> senior Iraqi officials, both military and scientific, moved to

both

> countries pre-conflict and during the conflict, and some

immediately after

> the conflict. "

>

> Earlier this week, biological and chemical weapons turned up

in Kuwait,

> according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyassah.

>

> The pro-government daily reported Kuwaiti security forces

foiled an

> attempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons

and biological

> warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country. Citing an

unnamed

> security source, Al-Siyassah said the smugglers had been under

surveillance

> since they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested " in due time. "

>

>

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Saddam Hussien is the most tyrannical dictator there ever was perhaps in the leagues of hitler and stalin. What nobody see's is the oppression and deaths he caused to the minorities. The Kurds and the Shi'ite people. If I had a chance I would personally put a bullet thru his head, of course before that I will give Mr. Willis his 4 secs :)

 

 

 

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CountryGirl [ruthful] Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM Subject: Re: Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

Do you really think if they were going to plant something that they would not have done it long ago. And do you really think Saddam Hussein is innocent? Oh please!

 

Donna

 

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Ed Siceloff

Sunday, October 05, 2003 10:47 AM

RE: Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

 

 

Lol. I agtree Lucky. I’ve said, not here, for some months now that given long enough time, WMD will be found because they (Bush administration) will have had time to get them there, on the sly of course. One would think that most of the people residing in the US would be able to figure this one out and at least be suspicious. Along with the entire rest of the world as well. Of course, if the thing dated 1993, that takes us back a few years and would actually be evidence that amonst all the WMD that Hussein had bought, manufactured, or attained by whatever process, could it be possible that one vial of a deadly poison was missed. And, that the evidence would then point to what had been stored previously rather than a pattern of crime after he lost the war with the Bush family and their trading partners. Either one of those scenarios is more likely than the idea that he continued attaining WMD, considering that this vial is the first thing found after how many months of looking.

 

Ed

 

luckypig [luckypig] Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

 

 

 

 

The Bush Regime probably PLANTED vial to be FOUND

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:06 AM

 

Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

 

 

OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOMBotulinum 'is WMD'State Department spokesman: Lethal bio-toxin 'kills people, it kills peoplein large quantities'http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34917--Posted: October 4, 20031:00 a.m. Eastern© 2003 WorldNetDaily.comThe vial of botulinum bacteria discovered in Iraq by U.S. arms inspectors –which experts call the most poisonous substance known to man – is "a weaponof mass destruction," the State Department's top spokesman announcedyesterday."Botulinum kills people, it kills people in large quantities. Botulinum is aweapon of mass destruction, yes," said State spokesman Richard Boucher,"according to an Agence France-Presse report. "Anything that destroys on amassive scale is a weapon of mass destruction."The botulinum had been stored in a vial discovered in an Iraqi scientist'srefrigerator, where it had been stored for safe keeping since 1993.Earlier in the day, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the press thereport on ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's weapons program, justreleased by the government's lead weapons inspector David Kay, justified thedecision to invade Iraq.Kay's "interim assessment" described discoveries of illicit arms programs,as well as evidence Saddam was intent on developing weapons of massdestruction, including chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, despiteUnited Nations prohibitions.When reporters grilled Powell as to whether he thought weapons inspectors'efforts would ever yield "weapons of mass destruction," Powell repliedrhetorically: "Do you think vials of botulinum should constitute a weapon ofmass destruction?"And President George Bush, before boarding Marine One, claimed the Kayreport vindicated the Iraqi war effort:"The report states that Saddam Hussein's regime had a clandestine network ofbiological laboratories, a live strain of deadly agent botulinum,sophisticated concealment efforts and advanced design work on prohibitedlonger-range missiles," said Bush. "These findings already make clear thatSaddam Hussein actively deceived the international community, that SaddamHussein, was in clear violation of United Nations Security CouncilResolution 1441 and that Saddam Hussein was a danger to the world."The president added that Kaye's "Iraq Survey Group" discovered "dozens ofWMD (weapons of mass destruction)-related program activities and significantamounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during theinspections that began in 2002." He added that Kay and his team found"systematic destruction of evidence of these illegal activities."The Bush administration had relied on U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441as a legal basis for the March invasion. The resolution threatened theSaddam Hussein regime with "serious consequences" for failing to demonstratethat it had ended its WMD program.Weeks before the invasion, on Feb. 5, Powell laid out the case againstSaddam before the Security Council and the world, during which he referredto Iraq's biological weapons programs and its capability of producing deadlybotulinum and other toxins."There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and thecapability to rapidly produce more, many more," Powell said, pointing outIraq had admitted to producing botulinum. "And he has the ability todispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massivedeath and destruction."Noting that the vial of live botulinum bacteria had been hidden in an Iraqiscientist's home refrigerator, Kay, testifying before Congress, said thediscovery "illustrates the point ... about the difficulty of locating smallstocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadlyweapons."According to Agence France-Presse, the Center for Civilian Bio-defenseStrategies at Johns Hopkins University says: "Botulinum toxin is the singlemost poisonous substance known" and "poses a major bioweapons threat becauseof its extreme potency and lethality, its ease of production, transport andmisuse, and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in affectedpersons."Kay, a veteran former U.N. weapons inspector, says the investigation he isleading involves over 1,200 staffers, and is likely to take another six tonine months. He asked reporters for "time and patience in the answers youreally deserve," noting that the regime of Saddam Hussein had "engaged inextensive deceptions."In fact, said Kay, his team has found signs that arms may have been movedout of the country before Saddam's fall.When reporters asked Kay at a telephone press conference whether chemical orbiological weapons had been moved out of Iraq before the March invasion,reports AFP, the lead inspector replied: "We have multiple reports fromIraqis of substances being moved across borders." He added: "We've gotinformation indicating movement to Iran, Syria, Jordan, essentially allstates that border the north with Iraq, that's not surprising those routeshave been long used. At least with regard to Syria and Jordan, certainlysenior Iraqi officials, both military and scientific, moved to bothcountries pre-conflict and during the conflict, and some immediately afterthe conflict."Earlier this week, biological and chemical weapons turned up in Kuwait,according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyassah.The pro-government daily reported Kuwaiti security forces foiled anattempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biologicalwarheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country. 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---he is not by far the worst tyranical leader in the world hell!,

Hi!,

 

one has to look no further than the good ol' USA to find worse, like

the ones in the US government that sold Saddam all those weapons to

begin with, where is their trial by war like his?? there are far too

many tyrants in the world that could use some extra holes in their

heads that are much further up the chain of tyranical command than

Saddam

I believe Voltaire said it best with " the world will be a much

better place to live when we hang the last politician next to the

last priest " of course we now need to add a few professions starting

with lawyers and many others

the United States are being run by a tyranical judicial branch that

has managed to supercede the " checks and balances " by taking over

the congressional branch

The United States has the most notorious tyrants of any country in

the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Period!!

they run the " DEATH " factories that produce tons and tons of organo-

phosphate weapons , biologicals, ordinances, etc.

and all they produce is that scam the suckers fall for called WAR!!

any fool can start a war, but it takes some intelligence to avoid it!

the Crown of England owns Loylld's of London

Loylld's owns State Farm amd Allstate

the Crown felt that it was losing too much money in auto accidents

due to uninsured motorist so the crown ordered Allstate and Sate

Farm to petition the Congress to enact a law ,thereby making illegal

to drive without insurnace effectively reducing losses and creating

a great increase in revenue, same applies to the seat belt law and

so on and so on

TSK! TSK!

Dont tell me you thought the congress worked for " the people "

cause " the people " elected them.

Wrong!! they also work for foreign governments and impose

foreigners desires upon us, to the tune of financial enslavement!!

they are Traitors to the American people and should be treated

accordingly

the only way to fix the US government is to start over from

scratch!!!!

Karl

 

 

In , " Farees Mohiuddin "

<farees@g...> wrote:

> Saddam Hussien is the most tyrannical dictator there ever was

perhaps in

> the leagues of hitler and stalin. What nobody see's is the

oppression

> and deaths he caused to the minorities. The Kurds and the Shi'ite

> people. If I had a chance I would personally put a bullet thru his

> head, of course before that I will give Mr. Willis his 4 secs :)

>

> Farees Mohiuddin

>

> e-Business Strategist

>

> Juvo, Inc

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And just how in Bush's Amerika does one follow from the other? Who on this list,

or anywhere else for that matter, has ever claimed that Saddam was a poor,

innocent fellow? That is the kind of reasoning that we have come to expect from

the dittohead right wing nuts. What a dissapointment, i really expected better

from you Donna.

 

>Do you really think if they were going to plant something that they would not

have done it long ago. And do you really think Saddam Hussein is innocent? Oh

please!

>

>Donna

 

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See, here is the point. Why was it not possible to just "take out" Sadam Insane. Why bomb the country. He is not the only cruel dictator on this planet. Very good example is the nutcase in North Korea. He is openly flaunting nuclear weapons, crimes against humanity and we are "not interested". We are not interested because there is NO OIL there.

 

We "helped" Afghanistan so we could get the pipeline completed, which is being built by Cheney's company ...you know the one he is not a member of, but just happens to have the contracts to rebuild BOTH countries.

 

Bush by the way last week came out and said, there is NO CONNECTION BETWEEN IRAQ AND 9/11 yet most Americans either did not listen or don't want to know that we INVADED a country on the pretext of "helping" Okay, so we helped them, WHY ARE WE STILL THERE. The U.S. Service is NOT the POLICE FORCE OF THE WORLD

 

If you are fine with that, then maybe you should take a look at the economy, we are in a world of quicksand here and sinking fast ....

 

Lucky

 

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Monday, October 06, 2003 2:11 PM

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Saddam Hussien is the most tyrannical dictator there ever was perhaps in the leagues of hitler and stalin. What nobody see's is the oppression and deaths he caused to the minorities. The Kurds and the Shi'ite people. If I had a chance I would personally put a bullet thru his head, of course before that I will give Mr. Willis his 4 secs :)

 

 

 

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e-Business Strategist

 

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CountryGirl [ruthful] Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM Subject: Re: Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

Do you really think if they were going to plant something that they would not have done it long ago. And do you really think Saddam Hussein is innocent? Oh please!

 

Donna

 

-

Ed Siceloff

Sunday, October 05, 2003 10:47 AM

RE: Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

 

 

Lol. I agtree Lucky. I’ve said, not here, for some months now that given long enough time, WMD will be found because they (Bush administration) will have had time to get them there, on the sly of course. One would think that most of the people residing in the US would be able to figure this one out and at least be suspicious. Along with the entire rest of the world as well. Of course, if the thing dated 1993, that takes us back a few years and would actually be evidence that amonst all the WMD that Hussein had bought, manufactured, or attained by whatever process, could it be possible that one vial of a deadly poison was missed. And, that the evidence would then point to what had been stored previously rather than a pattern of crime after he lost the war with the Bush family and their trading partners. Either one of those scenarios is more likely than the idea that he continued attaining WMD, considering that this vial is the first thing found after how many months of looking.

 

Ed

 

luckypig [luckypig] Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

 

 

 

 

The Bush Regime probably PLANTED vial to be FOUND

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

 

 

Misty

 

Health and Healing ; Armageddon or New Age

 

Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:06 AM

 

Botulinum 'is WMD' ??

 

 

OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOMBotulinum 'is WMD'State Department spokesman: Lethal bio-toxin 'kills people, it kills peoplein large quantities'http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34917--Posted: October 4, 20031:00 a.m. Eastern© 2003 WorldNetDaily.comThe vial of botulinum bacteria discovered in Iraq by U.S. arms inspectors –which experts call the most poisonous substance known to man – is "a weaponof mass destruction," the State Department's top spokesman announcedyesterday."Botulinum kills people, it kills people in large quantities. Botulinum is aweapon of mass destruction, yes," said State spokesman Richard Boucher,"according to an Agence France-Presse report. "Anything that destroys on amassive scale is a weapon of mass destruction."The botulinum had been stored in a vial discovered in an Iraqi scientist'srefrigerator, where it had been stored for safe keeping since 1993.Earlier in the day, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the press thereport on ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's weapons program, justreleased by the government's lead weapons inspector David Kay, justified thedecision to invade Iraq.Kay's "interim assessment" described discoveries of illicit arms programs,as well as evidence Saddam was intent on developing weapons of massdestruction, including chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, despiteUnited Nations prohibitions.When reporters grilled Powell as to whether he thought weapons inspectors'efforts would ever yield "weapons of mass destruction," Powell repliedrhetorically: "Do you think vials of botulinum should constitute a weapon ofmass destruction?"And President George Bush, before boarding Marine One, claimed the Kayreport vindicated the Iraqi war effort:"The report states that Saddam Hussein's regime had a clandestine network ofbiological laboratories, a live strain of deadly agent botulinum,sophisticated concealment efforts and advanced design work on prohibitedlonger-range missiles," said Bush. "These findings already make clear thatSaddam Hussein actively deceived the international community, that SaddamHussein, was in clear violation of United Nations Security CouncilResolution 1441 and that Saddam Hussein was a danger to the world."The president added that Kaye's "Iraq Survey Group" discovered "dozens ofWMD (weapons of mass destruction)-related program activities and significantamounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during theinspections that began in 2002." He added that Kay and his team found"systematic destruction of evidence of these illegal activities."The Bush administration had relied on U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441as a legal basis for the March invasion. The resolution threatened theSaddam Hussein regime with "serious consequences" for failing to demonstratethat it had ended its WMD program.Weeks before the invasion, on Feb. 5, Powell laid out the case againstSaddam before the Security Council and the world, during which he referredto Iraq's biological weapons programs and its capability of producing deadlybotulinum and other toxins."There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and thecapability to rapidly produce more, many more," Powell said, pointing outIraq had admitted to producing botulinum. "And he has the ability todispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massivedeath and destruction."Noting that the vial of live botulinum bacteria had been hidden in an Iraqiscientist's home refrigerator, Kay, testifying before Congress, said thediscovery "illustrates the point ... about the difficulty of locating smallstocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadlyweapons."According to Agence France-Presse, the Center for Civilian Bio-defenseStrategies at Johns Hopkins University says: "Botulinum toxin is the singlemost poisonous substance known" and "poses a major bioweapons threat becauseof its extreme potency and lethality, its ease of production, transport andmisuse, and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in affectedpersons."Kay, a veteran former U.N. weapons inspector, says the investigation he isleading involves over 1,200 staffers, and is likely to take another six tonine months. He asked reporters for "time and patience in the answers youreally deserve," noting that the regime of Saddam Hussein had "engaged inextensive deceptions."In fact, said Kay, his team has found signs that arms may have been movedout of the country before Saddam's fall.When reporters asked Kay at a telephone press conference whether chemical orbiological weapons had been moved out of Iraq before the March invasion,reports AFP, the lead inspector replied: "We have multiple reports fromIraqis of substances being moved across borders." He added: "We've gotinformation indicating movement to Iran, Syria, Jordan, essentially allstates that border the north with Iraq, that's not surprising those routeshave been long used. At least with regard to Syria and Jordan, certainlysenior Iraqi officials, both military and scientific, moved to bothcountries pre-conflict and during the conflict, and some immediately afterthe conflict."Earlier this week, biological and chemical weapons turned up in Kuwait,according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyassah.The pro-government daily reported Kuwaiti security forces foiled anattempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biologicalwarheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country. Citing an unnamedsecurity source, Al-Siyassah said the smugglers had been under surveillancesince they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested "in due time."«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»NATIONWIDE DENTAL BENEFITS PACKAGE PLUSSAVE UP TO 80% on DENTAL, PRESCRIPTIONS DRUGS,GLASSES, CONTACTS, VISION CARE, & CHIROPRACTIC.$11.95 For Single or$19.95 For an entire household per month!Immediate Coverage * No Waiting Period Pre-existing Covered * No Limit on Benefits http://www.mybenefitsplus.com/MMerrill/ Email: MEM121«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§ - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! §Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. 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