Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 Hi Everyone, I am glad that this subject has been brought up. Machines are becoming very popular around here especially two 1) Omega Machine and 2) Jasper Machine. The practioniers using them are using selling points such that one can tell a lot about the client with the machine both diagnostic and herbal/nutritton related as well as treatment strategy. Both machines are very expensive. The Omega is 14K and the Jasper 25K. People are paying 200+ a Tx. for this info. I have been unable to get a reading on this machines without paying so I don't know much about them, but would love to hear what people know about them. Thanks and Love, Bobbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 acupuncture, bobbiaqua@a... wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am glad that this subject has been brought up. Machines are becoming very > popular around here especially two 1) Omega Machine and 2) Jasper Machine. > The practioniers using them are using selling points such that one can tell a > lot about the client with the machine both diagnostic and herbal/nutritton > related as well as treatment strategy. Both machines are very expensive. The > Omega is 14K and the Jasper 25K. People are paying 200+ a Tx. for this info. > I have been unable to get a reading on this machines without paying so I > don't know much about them, but would love to hear what people know about > them. > Thanks and Love, > > Bobbi Bobbi: I work with an MD who has one. I have worked with him for 2 years and I have yet to really figure out how to translate the results to TCM as I learned it. The machine is based on Voll's work. He claims that TCM is incomplete and his machine found additional meridians. So the results show that the patient has " reversed polarity " , or that the " adrenal meridian is deficient " , or the " pancreas is in excess " . I went to a conference presented by the manufacturer on advanced use of the machine. There were only 2 people in the room who had any TCM training... me and the presenter. She seemed to have a decent background, but was strongly influenced by the empirical reports by the users of the machines. She did suggest that I could get a better understanding if the tester ran all the chinese herbs from a list and see what the machine recommended to " balance " the patient. The idea was to work backward from the herbs to get a TCM diagnosis that corresponded to the machine's. It helped a little, but mostly, I have given up. My take is this is a " neat toy " for someone who doesn't have the time or inclination to learn TCM to a functional level. (Mostly chiros and MDs at the seminar). I see it as a short-cut designed to be impressive, sell products and generate diagnostic revenue. (I hope the MD I work with doesn't stumble on to this post!). Maybe if I really understood how to use it I would feel differently... but then why would I have spent 3 years in school, all that money, and continue to study to learn TCM? If someone on the list is an experienced practitioner of TCM and also has found a way to incorporate the use of the machine, I would be very interested in hearing about it. Michael Buyze, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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