Doc NEVER flames, but only explaines, or asks questions!

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

I don't know if I'm all wet or just stuck in the mud here. I got into Chi

Kung through the study of the Tao. I don't even know if this material has

any martial arts in it, even though Mr Winn studied Tai Chi from

different people. His focus is on healing and heightening spiritual

awareness through influencing the Chi flow with a major focus on

Taoism.

It has benefited me and has enhanced my personal Energy Medicine

practice. It might not be for you and may possible even be one of those

Doc John calls esoteric bull (I'm not as well versed in all the many

different forms of Chi Kung, so I don't really know) and yet it energy

tests good for me.

For some reason I seem to do better Donna Eden Energy Medicine when I do

some of the Chi Kung external exercises also. When I do 30 minutes or so

worth of Chi Kung it can be a pretty wild trip for me with all the energy

moving.

Now Doc John says he teaches a very SIMPLE version of Chi Kung with much,

much omitted so I would suggest if he has a set of tapes on it that you

order them right away.

The following is from Michael Winn's website HealingTAOUSA.com .

The short, official resume of Michael Winn (to assure you I am a Grand

Poobah, in case you need that)

 

25 years experience in teaching subtle energy methods. Past President of the National Qigong (Chi Kung) Association o USA

for two terms. This is the umbrella organization for all the different

chi kung schools, teachers, healers, & practitioners in the U.S. Founder and Director of Healing Tao University summer retreat program

(campus at Dao Mountain in New York's Catskill Mtns. and near Santa Cruz,

Calif). The largest Tao arts program in the west. Writer/editor of seven of Mantak Chia's books, best known as

co-author of Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy. Many

other articles & book chapters (click to read). Past Chairman of Healing Tao Instructors Association of the Americas

for 9 years. They set and maintain standards for certification, ethics,

issue a newsletter, etc. Member of the core group of original Senior

Instructors that launched an organization that globally has certified

close to 1000 instructors and brought the Tao teachings to hundreds of

thousands of people. Professor of Tao Arts & Science distance learning program at

Great Western University in San Francisco. Academic credit for my Home

Study courses sold on the internet or for any summer retreat you take at

Healing Tao University is available.

The deeper, more personal answer:

 

Here are my own internal rules, honored in all the

Homestudy courses:

 

TEACH ONLY WHAT IS SIMPLE AND TRUE. In the books I wrote with/for

Mantak Chia, some of the practices seem mentally complicated. I wanted to

simplify them at the time, but did not always have final editorial

control. In the many years since I wrote those books, my own practice has

evolved towards the simple. The current Home Study courses were retaped

many times, each time refining the practices to their simplest essence. I

rigorously avoid the excess mental complexity present in some of the

books, which seemed necessary to reach western minds at the time. NO SECRETS. Give students whatever they are ready to digest. The time

for secrets is past. Many excellent Chinese teachers have unfortunately

not yet realized this! The people I want to reach don't have the time or

inclination to play this game of follow the leader, begging for secrets

drops of wisdom. I pour them on you, hoping you can absorb any part of

them, and become your own leader. NO GURU OR MASTER TRIPS. Hierarchies of Ego Authority bore me and

stifle creative chi flow. Spiritual Transmission can occur without

developing co-dependent teacher/student relationships. I'm not interested

in followers clinging to my shirt tail. The Life Force itself is the True

Teacher, I am just a guide to help you develop your own relationship with

the Life Force. We are all brothers and sisters on the continuous two-way

journey between Source and Creation. TEACH ONLY FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. Means no bullshit about level of

personal attainment. I test every method thoroughly to make sure it works

and is safe. HAVE FUN!!! Playing with the chi field is meant to be fun. While

refining the elixir, laughter is the best medicine. If you don't get the

Cosmic Joke, it may get you. Product Warning: Consumers of Chi Kung Home Study Courses may likely

become a " Chi-aholic " and may be exposed to the epidemic

" Mad Dao Disease " that has widely infected many students.

For the last 25 years I've explored many esoteric systems (called Mystery

Schools in the past) to find the most effective methods of improving

health and refining spiritual awareness. Principle ones (besides various

Daoist/Taoist schools) include: tantric kundalini yoga, kriya yoga,

dzogchen (Bon) and Tibetan Buddhist vajrayana practices, and Atlantean

alchemy (Original, pre-Egyptian Kabballah).

I took many teachings and initiations with the Dalai Lama. I worked

closely with Swami Hariharananda for years to edit his Bhagavad Gita in

the Light of Kriya Yoga. I have a book on Atlantean alchemy nearly ready

for publication. Its working title is Stellar Mind speaks: How to Shape

your Life Energy. All this shaped my practice, but I always return to my

roots in the Dao (Tao) because of its natural simplicity and

practicality.

I have tested -- always on myself -- some 60 different chi kung forms and

daoist/taoist meditation systems. I have sought out dozens of different

daoist masters, often only to get one superb movement or tiny but

valuable insight they had. Master T.K. Shih lived in my NYC apartment for

two years. I edited BK Frantis' Opening the Energy Gates of the Body and

studied his excellent neigong and pa kua chang forms. I studied wu style

tai chi with Grand Master Ed Yu in China town (also Mantak Chia's tai chi

teacher), and Northern Wu Tai chi style with David Dolbear, National Gold

Medal champion. This particular tai chi style was infused with alchemical

energetics by a daoist master.

I travelled to China 4 times, to be in the presence of its holy mountains

and sacred places, and to study medical chi kung in top Beijing hospitals

with the World Academic Medical Qigong Society. I am collaborating with a

group of Chinese nei dan (inner alchemy) practitioners to open a Daoist

Alchemy Research Institute in Beijing, China. We hope to have a team

researching alchemy in China today and to interview Daoist masters before

they die. The results will be published, in English and Chinese, to help

re-invigorate alchemy in modern China.

Each year I invite top masters to teach at Healing Tao University, partly

in order to trade secrets with them. I've been on the organizing

committee for the Annual National Qigong Conference since its inception

in 1997, giving me exposure to the top chi kung teachers in the U.S. and

a chance to absorb their favorite methods.

Cultivating one's chi is a life long process. But no need for everyone to

repeat my long journey. Better to start off equipped with the valuable

tools offered in my courses, distilled from years of testing. I only

teach what I myself practice. I hope you will use those tools to go to a

new, higher, and unknown level that is perfect for you alone.

Utilize Everything,

Dr. Houston Vetter

http://www.achieve-your-potential.com/

[Guest guest]

Hi Doc,

 

I just love stirring things up to get the CobraDragon to dance real

nice!

 

But you know, the real sissies are all those highly trained MD's I

went to a few years back. The ones who threw in the towel on me,

ignored Qigong or any suggestion of it, shrugged their shoulders and

sent me home with an array of prescription pain killers

and " encouraging " news that I'd be on them AND steroid shots for the

rest of my life.

 

I thank my Qigong teacher for what he taught me back then....and that

I became painfree in a very short time, no drugs required. But more

importantly I am no longer helping sissies put bacon on their tables.

 

Lori

 

As always, never a dull moment here!

[Guest guest]

, " darthon4 "

<darthon4> wrote:

> Hi Doc,

>

> I just love stirring things up to get the CobraDragon to dance

real

> nice!

>

> But you know, the real sissies are all those highly trained MD's I

> went to a few years back. The ones who threw in the towel on me,

> ignored Qigong or any suggestion of it, shrugged their shoulders

and

> sent me home with an array of prescription pain killers

> and " encouraging " news that I'd be on them AND steroid shots for

the

> rest of my life.

>

> I thank my Qigong teacher for what he taught me back then....and

that

> I became painfree in a very short time, no drugs required. But

more

> importantly I am no longer helping sissies put bacon on their

tables.

>

> Lori

>

> As always, never a dull moment here!

 

Okay.

 

I give up!

 

Don't twist my arm any more...

 

Ouch! ouch! ouch!

 

The learning of a non-combat Chi Kung can also be valid, even though

it's NOT my cup of tea.

 

Hahahaha...

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh Good! the arm twisting paid off. I was almost ready to go to plan

B. I'll save plan B for another occasion.

 

That's one of the reasons I like what Donna does and why I do the

drills. There are a few similarities to the healing Qigong.

 

I don't know how the combat form of " Chi kung " works but in the

healing Qigong I do moving of energy with thoughts along with the

physical motions, and controlled breathing. Requires some

orchestration, but becomes automatic after a little practice. I can

see how combining aspects of that with combat in the right way would

be pretty powerful....Add to that " True " Hakalau, and...Yep I can see

it...

 

I also do a version where I move the energy with only my thoughts and

breath. A meditative form. Very effective too. Reminds me a little

of the piko piko drill, some parts.

 

Well that's about all I know of Qigong from my limited experience of

it. Looks like a lot more out there to learn....and I'm game for it.

 

Thanks!

Lori

[Guest guest]

In point of fact, I agree with Doc in that combat-based Qigong is

the most beneficial for any reason one cares to study it. I had

several martial arts schools where I taught Qigong and Taiji to the

earthy, touchy-feely granola munchers, and then I had my bone-

crushing face rippers. I taught pretty much the same stuff to both

groups, I just didn't tell the granola-munchers what the

applications/intent of the principles were. ;')

 

I guess the reason that I'm here is that I had a life-changing event

about five years ago that shook me to my foundation and made me

question who I was and what I stood for. I turned my schools over to

my senior black belts and walked away. I just recently discovered

Huna, and this group here, along with the EMC2 project. As a result,

the fire inside that I feared had gone out forever seems to be

flickering back to life. But I'm still quesioning who I am and what

I want to do when I grow up.

 

Anyway, thanks for making me feel welcome.

 

Ron

 

 

healingenergies-

essentialskills , " docspeed2001 " <docspeed2001>

wrote:

> , " darthon4 "

> <darthon4> wrote:

> > Hi Doc,

> >

> > I just love stirring things up to get the CobraDragon to dance

> real

> > nice!

> >

> > But you know, the real sissies are all those highly trained MD's

I

> > went to a few years back. The ones who threw in the towel on me,

> > ignored Qigong or any suggestion of it, shrugged their shoulders

> and

> > sent me home with an array of prescription pain killers

> > and " encouraging " news that I'd be on them AND steroid shots for

> the

> > rest of my life.

> >

> > I thank my Qigong teacher for what he taught me back then....and

> that

> > I became painfree in a very short time, no drugs required. But

> more

> > importantly I am no longer helping sissies put bacon on their

> tables.

> >

> > Lori

> >

> > As always, never a dull moment here!

>

> Okay.

>

> I give up!

>

> Don't twist my arm any more...

>

> Ouch! ouch! ouch!

>

> The learning of a non-combat Chi Kung can also be valid, even

though

> it's NOT my cup of tea.

>

> Hahahaha...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron,

 

Nice to meet you. You have raised my curiosity. What's EMC2?

 

I also concur with what Doc has been saying about qigong, however,

the closest teacher I would even consider lives 200 miles away and

Doc probably lives twice that from me. I checked here and there is

nada. It's the price I pay for liking solitude and living

in " hicksville " .

 

Someone mentioned videos as an option but I don't think that learning

something like combat qigong from videos would work for me, I don't

see how that can be accomplished without live instruction. But you

never know...can anyone comment on that?

 

Thanks!

 

Lori

[Guest guest]

For the vast majority of people, learing something like Qigong from

a book or a video can get you a part of the way there. However,

there are things that begin to present themselves to you that almost

always require interaction with a qualified teacher. However, there

are those few rare souls that have innate ability or talent and can

make the " leap " on their own. However, there is a danger here too. I

won't go into the details for now.

 

But as I said earlier, it's better to do SOMETHING than to do

NOTHING. Most of the Qigong stuff that's currently available on

tapes and books is useful and fairly harmless in that they haven't

pulled back the veil very far. It'll be a start. Remember, " when the

student is ready, the teacher appears. "

 

I hope this helps.

 

Ron

 

, " darthon4 "

<darthon4> wrote:

> Hi Ron,

>

> Nice to meet you. You have raised my curiosity. What's EMC2?

>

> I also concur with what Doc has been saying about qigong, however,

> the closest teacher I would even consider lives 200 miles away and

> Doc probably lives twice that from me. I checked here and there is

> nada. It's the price I pay for liking solitude and living

> in " hicksville " .

>

> Someone mentioned videos as an option but I don't think that

learning

> something like combat qigong from videos would work for me, I

don't

> see how that can be accomplished without live instruction. But you

> never know...can anyone comment on that?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Lori

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori

 

EMC2 looks like an abreviated form of einsteins famour formula

describing his theory of relativity E=MC2(squared).

 

Chris

[Guest guest]

Yep it helps. Thanks.

 

Lori

 

 

 

, " marangneng "

<marangneng> wrote:

> For the vast majority of people, learing something like Qigong from

> a book or a video can get you a part of the way there. However,

> there are things that begin to present themselves to you that

almost

> always require interaction with a qualified teacher. However, there

> are those few rare souls that have innate ability or talent and can

> make the " leap " on their own. However, there is a danger here too.

I

> won't go into the details for now.

>

> But as I said earlier, it's better to do SOMETHING than to do

> NOTHING. Most of the Qigong stuff that's currently available on

> tapes and books is useful and fairly harmless in that they haven't

> pulled back the veil very far. It'll be a start. Remember, " when

the

> student is ready, the teacher appears. "

>

> I hope this helps.

>

> Ron

>

> , " darthon4 "

> <darthon4> wrote:

> > Hi Ron,

> >

> > Nice to meet you. You have raised my curiosity. What's EMC2?

> >

> > I also concur with what Doc has been saying about qigong,

however,

> > the closest teacher I would even consider lives 200 miles away

and

> > Doc probably lives twice that from me. I checked here and there

is

> > nada. It's the price I pay for liking solitude and living

> > in " hicksville " .

> >

> > Someone mentioned videos as an option but I don't think that

> learning

> > something like combat qigong from videos would work for me, I

> don't

> > see how that can be accomplished without live instruction. But

you

> > never know...can anyone comment on that?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Lori