I suggest, Learn what the Doc has to say about internal development!

[Guest guest]

Hi YinFu,

 

Are you learning Bagua Zhang from a teacher or from books and

videos? I hope it's from a teacer since Bagua, like any other martial

art, is impossible to learn from a book. If you're learning from a

teacher, what is his/her name? Whom did they learn from?

 

There's some decent stuff written in English on Bagua. I'm not

particularly impressed with YJM's book on it. If you read the text that

describe the correct postures, and then look at the photos, they don't

always agree.

 

Kumar Frantzis has a couple of good books. However, I highly

recommend learning what Doc has to say about internal development. I

studied Bagua Zhang and Taiji Quan for about 30 years, and even though

one of my teachers was the former coach of the Shanghai Wushu team and

the last student of Wang Zi Ping, there were misnomers that I picked up

from him that Doc straightened out for me in about 30 minutes. And I

didn't even talk to Doc directly about this. I just took what he said

about calibrating and applied it to what I already had learned, and the

light came on.

 

I'd love to hear who you're learning from. There are a lot of big-

name Bagua teachers that really aren't all that good. And there are

some virtually unkown teachers that are truly spectacular. Caveat

emptor applies!

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Matthews (English name)

Ma Rang Neng (Chinese name)

 

 

, " yinfu23 "

<bagua23 wrote:

>

> Hi all, I have been following the posts here for a little now and find

> the subject matter covered very informative. I am currently learning

> Bagua, a Chinese Martial Art. As a martial art I think it is one of

> the most advanced, and potentialy confusing. As with most Chinese

> martial arts, there is an internal aspect that corresponds to the

> physical training. That area is were I seek advice.

>

> It was mentioned in previous posts how there are numerous methods for

> developing internal power for different applications. My interests are

> medical and martial applications. I am looking for training methods to

> strengthen skills in these areas. I have the feeling the information

> that is easily acquired, Dr.Yang's books and videos for example, are

> watered down. If there are more effective training methods, probably

> reserved to certain students or schools, I would appreciate any

guidance.

>

[Guest guest]

" And there are some virtually unkown teachers that are truly

spectacular. "

 

Ron, who do you recommend for Bagua Zhang? And what do you know about

Dr. John Painter...?

 

Thanks,

 

Jim

[Guest guest]

, " Jim "

<jfisher843 wrote:

>

> " And there are some virtually unkown teachers that are truly

> spectacular. "

 

really?

 

How do you know that if they are virtually unknown?

 

Sounds pretty simpleton to me.

 

 

>who do you recommend for Bagua Zhang? And what do you know

>about Dr. John Painter...?

 

Last I heard Painter was more into developing his internal strength

through his weight training. developing massive arms and a barrel

chest. that is not bague, nor any type of martial art.

 

Which is really not internal strength, but is the lower level of

martial arts, the bench press.

 

I like Dr. La Tourrette's workable materials.

 

Have you tried them yet?

 

And if you've not yet tried them, why not? Why are you avoiding them?

 

Manny

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jim

>

[Guest guest]

, " manrich39 "

<manrich39 wrote:

 

>

> really?

>

> How do you know that if they are virtually unknown?

>

> Sounds pretty simpleton to me.

>

 

Boy, I guess you told me a thing or two. It's good that illumined

intellects such as yours can deign to help out us simpletons.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

 

The last time I saw Biff Painter was at Taiji Farm in NY back in 1991!

 

He's a nice guy, but at the time, I didn't think that his Bagua was all

that good. He's a pretty big fella and so he relies on his muscles to

force things to work. Like I said, the last time I saw him was 15 years

ago so things may have changed. I didn't get the impression that he had

been an " inner door student " of any really good teacher.

 

That's my $0.02 being the simpleton that I am.

 

Do you live in Texas, Jim? If you do have occasion to see Biff, tell

him I said hi.

 

Regards,

 

Ron

 

 

 

, " Jim "

<jfisher843 wrote:

>

> " And there are some virtually unkown teachers that are truly

> spectacular. "

>

> Ron, who do you recommend for Bagua Zhang? And what do you know

about

> Dr. John Painter...?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jim

>