Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Barb, if the oestrogen content of soy is high enough to alleviate your HRT symptoms, what is it doing to the testosterone development of young males, when taken as a baby formula? What is it doing to the fertility and speeded up development of young girls - puberty blues being reached at the age of 8 - 10? Maybe that is why we are facing a plethoric increase in the 'limpwristed' brigade of late?? Jorge Barb <barb1283 Monday, 7 July 2003 2:53 Re: High aluminum content in Pediatric SoyProtein Formula The only place I've read a lot of anti-Soy stuff from 'alternative health' sources is Mercola. However nothing to say he isn't get paid by someone. Anyway, I take soy for estrogen content and I was soo very sick from coming off of HRT and within a few days of taking Soy replacement was better, dramatically better. Then stopped it and symptoms resumed and stopped again when I took it so take it every day now. There is too much money on the sides oposing soy for me to give much credence to this, soy used in so many countries for so long. Anyway this is nothing that you can eat that is not risk free or not tolerated by certain people while okay in others, look at people allergic to peanuts, milk, medicine (while others do fine), so I think soy is okay. As for aluminum in pediatric soy, well arsenic and other toxins in the water also; give the kid breast milk of mother not on 'anything' to be safe. Our food sources will never be 100% pure, ever. barb --- Elaine <mem121 wrote: > Australian Pediatric Soy Protein Formula Policy > 9/22/01- > http://www.mercola.com/2001/sep/22/soy_protein_formula_policy.htm > - > > Australian Pediatric Soy Protein Formula Policy > Policy Statement of Royal > College of Australian Physicians The lack of a > suitable diagnostic test for > food intolerance has allowed for an > exaggeration of the incidence and a > tendency for over-diagnosis. The true incidence > of milk intolerance in our > community is difficult to ascertain but a > reasonable working figure would be > 2.0% (1). The number of infants on soy formula > outweighs this figure as soy > formula accounts for approximately 10% of > formula sales in Australia. There > is no evidence that soy formulas are > nutritionally better than cow's milk > formula for normal infants. The assumption that > symptomatic infants who > improve on soy formula are therefore intolerant > of milk protein is addressed > in this statement (2). There are several > well-characterized disorders caused > by cow's milk protein intolerance (CMPI), > including cow's milk allergy, > cow's milk enteropathy and cow's milk colitis. > There is also a range of > vague signs and symptoms ascribed to CMPI, > which includes excessive crying, > vomiting, wind, colic, vague ill health, and > tension-fatigue syndrome (3). > With the latter symptoms, there is usually no > evidence of associated chronic > diarrhea or growth failure. Of concern, is that > many of these latter > symptoms may be the result of parent-child > relationship problems, which are > inappropriate to treat with soy formula. > Controlled trials of cow's milk and > soy formulae in colicky infants have not > demonstrated a benefit from soy > formula (4). The rationale for the use of soy > formula is the assumption that > soy protein is less antigenic than cow's milk > protein and thus should be > used in the treatment of CMPI, or > prophylactically in patients at high risk > for developing CMPI. Soy protein can cause > intolerance reactions with > gastrointestinal symptoms as well as acute > anaphylaxis and up to 40% of > infants intolerant of cow's milk also develop > soy protein intolerance (6). > Studies show that feeding soy formulae from > birth in infants at increased > risk of developing allergy, does not have a > beneficial effect (7-9). Eastham > et al, in a prospective feeding trial, showed > soy protein to be at least as > antigenic as cow's milk protein (8). Miskelly > et al, in a randomized > clinical trial of cow's milk vs soy protein > formulae in children with family > histories of atopic disease, demonstrated a > similar incidence of wheezing > and eczema between the groups and an increased > incidence of napkin rash, > diarrhea and oral thrush in the group fed soy > formula (9). Thus, it seems > that soy formula is inappropriate even in cases > of proven CMPI, because of > its ability to cause reactions. In cases of > true gastrointestinal CMPI, the > use of protein which has been hydrolyzed to the > point that it is no longer > antigenic, is preferred. Soy protein contains > only one-third of available > nitrogen as essential or semi-essential amino > acids (10) and therefore has a > lower biological value than milk protein. Soy > may cause loss from the gut of > vitamins, minerals and trace elements and it > has been suggested that 10% > more calories are needed in soy preparations in > order to promote equivalent > growth to infants breastfed or fed a milk > formula (11). Low levels of > chloride have been reported and may result in > serious hypochloraemic > alkalosis in infants fed soy formula (12). > Manufacturers currently attempt > to compensate for these potential problems by > adding extra protein, trace > elements and chloride to soy formulae. Growth > of infants fed soy formulae is > similar to that of infants fed formulae based > on cow's milk protein but > there is concern about poorer bone > mineralization in infants fed soy > formulae (13). The carbohydrate content of soy > formula differs in each of > the three commonly available preparations > (Isomil: sucrose 36%, corn syrup > solids 64%; Prosobee: maltodextrins 100%; > Infasoy: sucrose 25%, corn syrup > solids 75%). Sucrose is not the preferred > carbohydrate in infancy because of > its potential effect on teeth and development > of inappropriate eating > habits. High aluminum content has also been > documented in soy formula (14). > Soy is also a rich source of phytoestrogens > (nonsteroidal estrogens of the > isoflavone class). It is unclear whether these > are beneficial (protect > against breast and prostate cancer) or harmful > (result in infertility and > liver disease) (15). It is also possible that > soy formula impairs immunity. > Infants fed soy formula had lower levels of > antibodies in response to > routine immunizations and more infections than > those fed human milk or cow's > milk formula (16). Policy Statement of Royal > College of Australian > Physicians > > DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT: It is great to find a > major professional organization > come down so strongly against soy formula. > Perhaps soon the rest of the > sleeping medical community will wake up on this > issue. As I said last year: > Soy formula is one of the worst foods that you > could feed your child. Not > only does it have profoundly adverse hormonal > effects as discussed above, > but it also has over 1000% more aluminum than > conventional milk based > formulas. I don't recommend either, but if one, > for whatever reason, cannot > breast feed, then Carnation Good Start until > six months and Carnation > Follow-Up after that seem to be the best > commercial formula currently > available, although it may not contain taurine, > in which case it should be > added. The milk protein is hydrolyzed 80% which > tends to significantly > decrease its allergenicity. It is also > important to note that when breast > feeding it is wise to avoid drinking milk as it > has been shown for several > decades that the milk will pass directly into > the breast milk which can > cause potential problems in the infant. Taurine > is a " conditionally > essential " amino acid and not present in > sufficient quantities in most > formulas. It would also be wise to split a 500 > mg Taurine capsule into 7 > parts and add one part a day to the formula so > the total daily dose will be > about 75 mg. It would also be wise to add 1/4 > to 1/2 teaspoon of cod liver > oil a day to the babies diet even if being > breast fed as the vitamin D and > fatty acid DHA are incredibly important > essential nutrients that are > frequently lacking in an infant's diet. Related > Articles: Soy Formulas and > the Effects of Isoflavones on the Thyroid How > Safe is Soy Infant Formula? > Soy Formula Exposes Infants to High Hormone > Levels References > 1. Jacobsson I, Lindberg T. A prospective study > of cow's milk protein > intolerance in Swedish infants. Acta Paediatr > Scand 1979; 68:853. > 2. Editorial. How necessary are elimination > diets in childhood? BMJ 1980; > 1:138. > 3. Tait LS. Soy feeding in infancy. Arch Dis > Child 1982; 57:814-15. > 4. Lothe L, Lindberg T, Jakobsson I. Cow's milk > formula as a cause of > infantile colic: a double-blind study. > Pediatrics 1982; 70:7-10. > 5. Taubman B. Parental counseling compared with > eliminating of cow's milk or > soy milk protein for the treatment of infant > colic syndrome: a randomised > trial. Pediatrics 1988; 81:756-61. > 6. Hill DJ, Ford RPK, Shelton MJ, et al. A > study of 100 infants and young > children with cow's milk allergy. Clin Rev > Allergy 1984; 2:125-42. > === message truncated === SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» NATIONWIDE DENTAL BENEFITS PACKAGE PLUS SAVE UP TO 80% on DENTAL, PRESCRIPTIONS DRUGS, GLASSES, CONTACTS, VISION CARE, & CHIROPRACTIC. $11.95 For Single or $19.95 For an entire household per month! 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Guest guest Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 Jorge, I am taking Revival. It is advertised on Power Surge, a site for women. It is concentrated and patented to deliver the same amount of soy isoflavones (the estrogen part) than 6 servings of soy milk. I don't think it affects the 'preference of men' for men, I think that is genetic or mental. Afterall their are men with breasts etc who have them removed so they are more appealing to women. Who one desires in the head. Anyway, their are naturally occuring phytoestrogens in many food sources. Men have estrogen too don't they. I don't know if it is okay for men. I have enough work finding things for my current very difficult health problems. You may be right. Don't know. Stay away from it yourself. It has helped me though. Babies should drink breast milk. Mothers should stay at home until they are weaned. That would be my opinion. barb --- Jorge Roshkov <marjorg wrote: > Barb, if the oestrogen content of soy is high > enough to alleviate your HRT > symptoms, what is it doing to the testosterone > development of young males, > when taken as a baby formula? > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 A direct causal link has been established between soy isoflavones, thyroid dysfunction and certain types of cancers, including breast cancer. But don't let that stop you. Just keep on suckin' those isoflavones down. Additional Information <http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html> Facts about soy High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children. Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth. Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women. Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease. Vitamin B 12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B 12 . Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D. Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein. Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines. Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods. Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys. <http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html> >Jorge, >I am taking Revival. It is advertised on Power >Surge, a site for women. It is concentrated and >patented to deliver the same amount of soy >isoflavones (the estrogen part) than 6 servings >of soy milk. I don't think it affects the >'preference of men' for men, I think that is >genetic or mental. Afterall their are men with >breasts etc who have them removed so they are >more appealing to women. Who one desires in the >head. Anyway, their are naturally occuring >phytoestrogens in many food sources. Men have >estrogen too don't they. I don't know if it is >okay for men. I have enough work finding things >for my current very difficult health problems. >You may be right. Don't know. Stay away from it >yourself. It has helped me though. Babies >should drink breast milk. Mothers should stay at >home until they are weaned. That would be my >opinion. barb -- Neil Jensen: neil The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ " Dragons is sooooo stupid! " -- Yosemite Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 wow i've been reading the pro and con sides about soy and have been trying to sort this out myself for sometime but have to say...you really need to calm down about it neil. there is no need to tell this woman to " keep on suckin' it down " she was in no way claiming to have THE answer (as you seem to conveniently have) and was not telling anyone what to do. when posting on a board like this it would be helpful to keep your tone a little more friendly...as we are all just trying to share info. personally i still don't know what i think about soy (organic that is) but do know that every " fact " about soy is backed by money--both on the pro and the con side...if you don't think there is millions of meat and dairy dollars backing the claims of weston price that you list you are sadly mistaken...similarly i'm totally sure that the pro-soy comments are backed by the soy industry...which is why this is a difficult issue to sort out. i found the following ariticle helpful b/c the person acknowleges this and doesn't look for an absolute answer...so i thought i would share it...as that is the purpose of this board (she also shows the way that a foundation like weston price can " make " facts out of any info taken out of context). luv laura *************************************************** Sorting Out the Soy Story Is it good or bad for us? Kathleen DesMaisons, Ph.D. I have been trying to sort out the soy story for a very long time. Last week someone shared a link to a URL for the Weston Price Foundation that has pages and pages of information about the horrors of soy. One of these is titled " Teens Before Their Time " and talks about a rise in early maturity in American girls. They indict soy infant formula and cite a study done in 1986 called the Puerto Rico Premature Therlarche Study and state that " the most significant dietary association with premature sexual development was . . . soy infant formula. " (Fallon 2002) Later when quoting an individual who questioned the Puerto Rico findings, the Weston Price Foundation article asked " Why would [the author] leave out any reference to the Puerto Rico study in her review? Is it because Dupont, owner of Protein Technology Enterprises, is the leading manufacturer of soy protein isolate? " [The author at that time was employed at a hospital funded by Dupont.] As most of you know, I am very committed to getting truthful balanced information. I was troubled by seeing a group that is priding itself on providing useful information make comments about the supposed agenda of a scientific article in this way. So I went and got the citation for the 1985 Puerto Rico study. Now, the original article actually says something very different from what the Weston Price Foundation implies. Yes, there were a whole group of girls who showed early sexual maturation. But in those children who were older than 2 when they sexually matured, there were " no significant associations " to any of the variables including soy formula. In those under 2, they found correlations with a maternal history of ovarian cysts, consumption of various products and soy formula. Even more astounding to me was the finding that the " statistical associations are probably not sufficient to explain the reported increase because in over 50% of the case subjects, there was no exposure to any of the risk factors for which statistical associations were found. " (Freni- Titulaer, Cordero et al. 1986) So the Weston Price Foundation quoted a finding out of context and made it sound like something totally different from what the study actually reported. They basically misrepresented the original data. I use this example to point to the information and misinformation with which the pro and con sides of the soy story have lined up. I have now read close to 500 scientific abstracts and articles on the soy story. Here is a very simplified summary of my own conclusions: · Soy can have both very positive and negative effects. · The type of soy products used can have very different effects. · The amount of soy products used has significantly different effects. In this discussion, I am going to lead you through a very simplified analysis of what I have found. It certainly is incomplete, but I hope it will give you a better understanding of some the issues and ways to make informed decisions. The scientific interest in the role of soy in health was fueled by the observation that women in Asian countries (Japan, China and Indonesia) had significantly lower levels of breast cancer than women here.(Setchell 1998) These findings took a while to sort out and generated some very exciting dialogue in the scientific literature. (Morton, Arisaka et al. 2002) Soy isoflavones are estrogenic. This means they are shaped like estrogen and they go and sit in the estrogen receptors. This can be good or bad depending on whether you want this effect or how much soy you have. During menopause, soy can 'soften' the impact of wildly fluctuating estrogen levels. (Setchell 2001)This is why it is now being marketed as a perfect 'all natural' solution, a great replacement for hormone replacement therapy. There are some pretty clear benefits of soy in diet. A few of these are: · Soy can have an impressive effect in limiting postmenopausal osteoporosis. This is one of the very positive estrogenic effects. (Scheiber, Liu et al. 2001), (Picherit, Bennetau-Pelissero et al. 2001), (Arjmandi, Birnbaum et al. 1998) · Soy can improve vaginal health for post-menopausal women. It helps ward off what is known as vaginal atrophy that is a thinning of the vaginal wall that comes with aging. (Santen, Pinkerton et al. 2002), (Baird, Umbach et al. 1995) · Soy contributes to lower cholesterol (this was shown with soy foods not as supplements). (Anderson, Johnstone et al. 1995) · Soy is heart healthy because it relaxes coronary arteries, reduces inflammation, reduces blood lipids, homocysteine and blood pressure. (Setchell 2001) · Soy seems to be chemo protective in certain breast cancers. This happens when the soy isoflavones go and sit in the estrogen sites and block the actual estrogen from signaling for the cancer cells to grow. This effect is true for those cancers that are made worse by higher levels of estrogen. (Pagliacci, Smacchia et al. 1994) · Soy contains something called a protease inhibitor that can have powerful anticancer properties. Protease is an enzyme that is involved in making new cells. If you stop the process, you keep cancers from growing. Soy has been shown to have a very powerful effect on some cancers. (Kennedy 1998) · Soy seems to have a particularly powerful effect on bladder cancer.(Su, Yeh et al. 2000) · Soy protein intake is a very useful option for those with kidney disease because it is very low stress on the kidneys. (Anderson, Blake et al. 1998) Of course, the very estrogenic effect that creates these desirable benefits can have a down side. Let's take a look at some of these: The first of these, and perhaps that of the most questions comes with the use of soy for infants and children. That issue is so complex and important that I am going to write a separate piece about it. Let's take a look at some of the issues for adults. · Soy protein at higher levels can disturb menstrual cycles in younger women (premenopausal) causing delayed menstruation and mid cycle surges of leutinizing hormones and suppressing FSH. Both can lead to the body getting confused about when and how to ovulate. (Cassidy, Bingham et al. 1995) · One set of studies showed that adult cheetahs eating a soy diet became infertile and showed changes in their liver enzymes. There has been debate about whether these findings can be applied to humans but it does raise some questions that needs more study. (Setchell, Gosselin et al. 1987) · Genistein, which is one of the isoflavones in soy, directly blocks the neurotransmitter GABAA. GABAA quiets the brain. It calms anxiety and panic. Drugs such as Valium, Librium, Halcyon, Ambien, Restoril and Klonipin activate GABAA. If you are prone to anxiety/panic or are taking any of these drugs, taking a soy product will not be a good idea. This effect does not occur with cooked products such as tofu. (Gumbmann, Spangler et al. 1986) · Persons taking antidepressants called MAO inhibitors should avoid ALL soy products. (Shulman and Walker 1999) · Episodes of nausea, feet edema and breast tenderness have been associated with taking genistein, one of the specific soy isoflavones.(Bloedon, Jeffcoat et al. 2002) · Soy foods (not isoflavones) can inhibit iron absorption. This seems to be a function of the fiber found in the bean part of soy foods and can be overcome with the use of vitamin C. Wheat and oat bran have a similar effect. (Cook, Morck et al. 1981) · Soy isoflavones can contribute to thyroid problems by inhibiting one of the steps in a long line of key actions that make for healthy thyroid function. This particular concern is often widely cited as the reason not to have soy. But it is important to note that this effect was only true in iodine deficient diets. Iodine comes from eating shellfish and iodized salt. (Divi, Chang et al. 1997) · Genistein, a soy isoflavone, can create heart irregularity such as arthymia. (Paillart, Carlier et al. 1997), (Chiang, Chen et al. 1996) · Tripsin inhibitors in uncooked soy used at high levels can create problems in the pancreas. There is some disagreement about the significance of these, but I would lend caution for people who have impaired pancreatic function such as diabetics.(Gumbmann, Spangler et al. 1986) · There also seems to be a connection between soy and something called insulin like growth factor. This is a hormone that mimics insulin in the body. When our systems work well, a higher level of IGF means we need less insulin. IGF takes over some of insulin's job. This means we get less of the negative effects that come with high insulin levels. In one study, the level of IGF was increased on a " low " isoflavone diet in the study. (About 60 mg. per day for a 150 lb. person) and showed that higher levels of soy isoflavones decreased the level of IGF. (Maake, Yamamoto et al. 1997), (Wangen, Duncan et al. 2000), (Khalil, Lucas et al. 2002) · Soymilk can reduce hair growth and the dimension of the hair shaft. It can also effect hair pigmentation. So drinking a lot of soymilk may create skinny, grey hair. (Seiberg, Liu et al. 2001) Before the negative concerns spook you, go back and reread the positive things. As you can see, there are powerful effects on both sides of the equation. And, you can begin to see why all these conflicting claims would confuse any of us. After all this reading, my best sense is that some soy every day is a wonderful aid to health in many, many areas. This is particularly true if you are a woman who is approaching or in menopause. But too much soy creates real problems, including a contribution to weight gain by suppressing IGF and potentially contributing to hypothyroidism in iodine deficient people. Many of us were seduced by the claims that soy is the all-powerful solution to hormone shifts. And we had a lot of it. Soy powder in shakes, soy lattes, soymilk as an alternative to dairy, soy cheese, edame at the sushi store, tofu quick and easy. We started getting a little tubbier; we felt that our metabolism wasn't quite right. We had tests and nothing showed but we knew something was operating. From what I have read, overuse of soy can certainly contribute to many of these subtle concerns we have had. Now, does this mean we chuck it? Absolutely not. But I think it does mean we start paying attention to what kind and how much. I do think that using concentrated isoflavones is a not good idea at all. So what is the right amount? What is too much? Based on all that I have read, my current thinking is the right amount is one serving per day. One serving for a woman who is 150-200 pounds generally will mean between 25-40 mg of isoflavones that come from about 12-20 grams of soy product. Soy products generally have about 2 times the number of mg of isoflavones per gram of soy. The actual amount you eat should change according to your weight and age. As you get older and your estrogen levels diminish, you will want to have more. If you are a smaller person, you will have less. The idea is not to be scared or compulsive about the numbers, but simply to learn how much soy you are having. This is exactly the same process you used in learning to calculate the amount of protein you use. You get a sense of who you are and then plan your serving size accordingly. This means if you use a soy protein powder, you should use a different liquid like oat or almond or cow milk. [Although I am thinking about the issue that soy fed cows and chickens may somehow be involved in this story.] (Brown and Setchell 2001)] If you want to use soymilk as your liquid, then choose a protein powder that does not contain soy. If you plan on having tofu or tempeh for another meal, don't have a shake that day. If you are vegetarian, I would strongly encourage you to rethink the reliance on soy products as your primary protein source and look to other legume and nut sources as alternatives for your protein. I also strongly advise you not to give your small children soymilk as an alternative to dairy. I will cover this in my next article on children and soy. Let me make one final comment about the power of scientific findings. Many of the studies have what are called confounding variables which can affect the outcomes in a major way. Yes, the evidence from the breast cancer rate of Asian women is very compelling, but none of the studies make any reference to what I believe are 2 key factors in the incidence of breast cancers - the level of sugars and the proportion of Omega 3 to Omega 6 fatty acids. I think it is reasonable to assume that the traditional Asian diet is significantly higher in fish (Omega 3), lower in saturated fat (Omega 6) and lower in sugars than the typical American diet. So, I am not sure it is just the soy in the diet. I think the story is bigger than that. But I hope this discussion has given you some way to make sense of all the claims. I will continue to have soy as a regular part of my diet, but plan on having way less than I have been. Anderson, J. W., J. E. Blake, et al. (1998). " Effects of soy protein on renal function and proteinuria in patients with type 2 diabetes. " Am J Clin Nutr 68(6 Suppl): 1347S-1353S. Anderson, J. W., B. M. Johnstone, et al. (1995). " Meta-analysis of the effects of soy protein intake on serum lipids. " N Engl J Med 333 (5): 276-82. Arjmandi, B. H., R. Birnbaum, et al. (1998). " Bone-sparing effect of soy protein in ovarian hormone-deficient rats is related to its isoflavone content. " Am J Clin Nutr 68(6 Suppl): 1364S-1368S. Baird, D. D., D. M. Umbach, et al. (1995). " Dietary intervention study to assess estrogenicity of dietary soy among postmenopausal women. " J Clin Endocrinol Metab 80(5): 1685-90. Bloedon, L. T., A. R. Jeffcoat, et al. (2002). " Safety and pharmacokinetics of purified soy isoflavones: single-dose administration to postmenopausal women. " Am J Clin Nutr 76(5): 1126- 37. Brown, N. M. and K. D. Setchell (2001). " Animal models impacted by phytoestrogens in commercial chow: implications for pathways influenced by hormones. " Lab Invest 81(5): 735-47. Cassidy, A., S. Bingham, et al. (1995). 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" Effects of soy isoflavones on markers of bone turnover in premenopausal and postmenopausal women. " J Clin Endocrinol Metab 85(9): 3043-8. ---- ---------- Features | Science | Everything to Know | Community | Helpful Hints | Buy Stuff | Lose Weight Back to Index Radiant Recovery Home Page ---- ---------- Simple Solutions for Sugar Sensitivity. Copyright © 2003 Kathleen DesMaisons . , Neil Jensen <neil@s...> wrote: > A direct causal link has been established between soy isoflavones, thyroid dysfunction and certain types of cancers, including breast cancer. But don't let that stop you. Just keep on suckin' those isoflavones down. > > Additional Information <http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html> > > Facts about soy > > High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children. > > Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth. > > Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women. > > Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease. > > Vitamin B 12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B 12 . > > Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D. > > Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein. > > Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines. > > Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods. > > Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys. > > <http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html> > > >Jorge, > >I am taking Revival. It is advertised on Power > >Surge, a site for women. It is concentrated and > >patented to deliver the same amount of soy > >isoflavones (the estrogen part) than 6 servings > >of soy milk. I don't think it affects the > >'preference of men' for men, I think that is > >genetic or mental. Afterall their are men with > >breasts etc who have them removed so they are > >more appealing to women. Who one desires in the > >head. Anyway, their are naturally occuring > >phytoestrogens in many food sources. Men have > >estrogen too don't they. I don't know if it is > >okay for men. I have enough work finding things > >for my current very difficult health problems. > >You may be right. Don't know. Stay away from it > >yourself. It has helped me though. Babies > >should drink breast milk. Mothers should stay at > >home until they are weaned. That would be my > >opinion. barb > > -- > Neil Jensen: neil@s... > The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ > " Dragons is sooooo stupid! 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