Guest guest Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 Referring to Carol's statement below, an interesting point comes to mind about whole foods and longevity. On a diet of whole foods and good water, we decline in health from maturity until we eventually peter out in what, our late seventies to late eighties. That is the nature of planned obsolesence.... however, With nutritional supplements added to the whole foods, we decline much later, we maintain our repair rates by keeping youthful hormonal values in balance, and we avoid free radical damage in the first place by increasing our antioxidant potential. In short, we maintain a more youthful robustness until much later in life. This translates into quality of life. But it requires refined supplements. About half the people are not interested in doing that, but the other have are pleased that we have supplements that can give us the kind of an edge we need to peter out later in life and refuse the planned obsolesence a little longer. Supplements have specific purposes that some of us don't want to overlook. Duncan Crow > I'm into " whole foods, so I think I would go more > towards the whole food supplements. > > Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 Ducan, Let me guess. If whole foods and water are not enough, then I guess the only way we can survive is to go to your web site and buy products that you sell. -- Signature Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker Referring to Carol's statement below, an interesting point comes to mind about whole foods and longevity. On a diet of whole foods and good water, we decline in health from maturity until we eventually peter out in what, our late seventies to late eighties. That is the nature of planned obsolesence.... however, With nutritional supplements added to the whole foods, we decline much later, we maintain our repair rates by keeping youthful hormonal values in balance, and we avoid free radical damage in the first place by increasing our antioxidant potential. In short, we maintain a more youthful robustness until much later in life. This translates into quality of life. But it requires refined supplements. About half the people are not interested in doing that, but the other have are pleased that we have supplements that can give us the kind of an edge we need to peter out later in life and refuse the planned obsolesence a little longer. Supplements have specific purposes that some of us don't want to overlook. Duncan Crow > I'm into" whole foods, so I think I would go more > towards the whole food supplements. > > Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 Duncan...Your comments sound very similar to those of Dr. Derrick DeSilva, President of The American Nutricuetical Association. I've heard him speak on three different occasions and He ALWAYS puts emphasis on the importance of supplementation to help reduce the effects of the " oxidation " process..which if I understand him correctly is sort of like the body " rusting " and is responsible for much disease and sickness...and anti-oxidants help to reduce this type damage..I believe he certainly would agree with everything you've stated. Excellent information...thank you... Healthy Blessings! Cheryl , Duncan Crow <duncancrow@s...> wrote: > Referring to Carol's statement below, an interesting point comes to mind > about whole foods and longevity. > > On a diet of whole foods and good water, we decline in health from > maturity until we eventually peter out in what, our late seventies to > late eighties. > > That is the nature of planned obsolesence.... however, > > With nutritional supplements added to the whole foods, we decline much > later, we maintain our repair rates by keeping youthful hormonal values > in balance, and we avoid free radical damage in the first place by > increasing our antioxidant potential. In short, we maintain a more > youthful robustness until much later in life. > > This translates into quality of life. But it requires refined > supplements. > > About half the people are not interested in doing that, but the other > have are pleased that we have supplements that can give us the kind of an > edge we need to peter out later in life and refuse the planned > obsolesence a little longer. > > Supplements have specific purposes that some of us don't want to > overlook. > > Duncan Crow > > > > I'm into " whole foods, so I think I would go more > > towards the whole food supplements. > > > > Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Ducan, Let me guess. If whole foods and water are not enough, then I guess the only way we can survive is to go to your web site and buy products that you sell. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker > Referring to Carol's statement below, an interesting point comes to mind > about whole foods and longevity. > > On a diet of whole foods and good water, we decline in health from > maturity until we eventually peter out in what, our late seventies to > late eighties. > > That is the nature of planned obsolesence.... however, > > With nutritional supplements added to the whole foods, we decline much > later, we maintain our repair rates by keeping youthful hormonal values > in balance, and we avoid free radical damage in the first place by > increasing our antioxidant potential. In short, we maintain a more > youthful robustness until much later in life. > > This translates into quality of life. But it requires refined > supplements. > > About half the people are not interested in doing that, but the other > have are pleased that we have supplements that can give us the kind of an > edge we need to peter out later in life and refuse the planned > obsolesence a little longer. > > Supplements have specific purposes that some of us don't want to > overlook. > > Duncan Crow > > > > I'm into " whole foods, so I think I would go more > > towards the whole food supplements. > > > > Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Hi Donald; Macrobiotic counselor, eh? Right on; well, you're gonna love this new information... I have learned some crucial truths about health, as I suppose you have also. I'll try to keep it brief yet include important information that is backed by science and published. Many people on a list like this will know much of this material already; I hope they bear with me while I explain it to you. As you may know, natural foods for most people are not enough to allow them to live to their potential age in good health. Potentially we could reach well over 100; some say 130 or so. One might ask why we don't see that age, and science is unravelling the mystery. This has to do with planned obsolesence. Starting with hormonal levels falling, we wither, weaken and die. And it's well-known now that we do that even on good whole food diets. Two cardinal rules to anti-aging, according to the anti-aging specialists are: don't get sick, and don't die. Although that's tongue-in-cheek it's also true. When a person gets sick they never completely recover; once he seems to be recovered he seems also to be years older. When glutathione levels are low, disease develops; when levels are high, disease goes away. But natural production of glutathione, antioxidant, detoxifier and primary liver support, falls off with age. All of the centenarians tested had unusually high glutathione levels in common. That is to say, in a given population, the average person doesn't hit 100, partly due to " normal " glutathione levels for their age. You can not increase your body's natural antioxidant levels enough with whole foods to avoid age-related degeneration. Whole foods produce very little glutathione, and production falls with age anyway. Antioxidant supplements including glutathione precursors allow your antioxidant levels to stay higher and quench free radical damage that is implicated in oxidative stress, which is intimately linked to most diseases and premature death. Inability to repair effectively contributes to age-related degeneration. As one ages, the ability to repair is compromised chiefly because hormone levels fall. Amino acid supplements increase HGH growth hormone, your master hormone, to youthful levels. This tends to rejuvenate the whole body including withering, aging, degenerating organs and joints. You might be aware that congestive heart failure, heart attack and renal failure are some of our biggest killers. Function of these organs can be improved with HGH. 11,000 anti-aging doctors are applying the research and using amino acids in preference over HGH shots. The fact it's the oral method that works out of 100 they tested sold them as it sold me, and the effectiveness speaks for itself. HGH and its active form is absolutely crucial to cellular repair, and you can not increase HGH enough with whole foods to match youthful values. The only natural exception is colostrum, which inelegantly supplements and overrides your hormonal levels from an external source rather than creating your own from within. As such even colostrum is a supplement in that it's not a natural whole food, normal to the diet. Of course to add insult to injury our diets are wrong, starch, sugar, polyunsaturated oils etc... our bowel contains incorrect bacteria that adds to the toxin load and contributes to poor mineral absorption, diarrhea, leaky gut, colitis, crohn's, cancer and whatnot. Bowel health is so important that they coined the term " death begins in the colon, right? OK, you know that several servings a day of some of the strongest contributors of indigesible sugar are barely enough to maintain a healthy bowel culture. It's theoretically possible to approach that with natural foods, I'll give you that, but practically impossible; most people simply will not eat that many servings of inulin-containing vegetables at the expense of their potatoes, nachos, pasta, pudding, high-glycemic whole foods such as fruit, sugar etc., so you supplement. I mentioned minerals. Many whole foods do not contain the minerals we need anyway, and a famous doctor, referring to mineral content, once said he could predict the longevity of a population by analyzing the water they were drinking. As a macrobiotics specialist you know your clients have to supplement with either exotic foods such as sea vegetables to keep up, or mined minerals, or some such, categorically, you're still supplementing to achieve health but I can give you that one if you're using sea vegetables. Most populations do not. I think what the anti-aging specialists hope to do is to produce optimal health in their patients, rather than average health with all the natural damage and weaknesses, and natural degeneration in later years that goes with adhering to the natural options. But don't get me wrong, they do recommend natural and raw foods and restriction on processed foods, elimination of polyunsaturated and hydrogenated, and most unsaturated oils, high-glycemic natural foods, starch, sugar etc.. but they are wise enough to know that without supplementing, their patients don't keep well as long between illnesses than if they do supplement. Without supplementing they fail to meet the goal of the first rule, to not get sick. I have two unique products that are not in stores in Canada; just one of them isn't widely available in the USA. In my practice, what I do is mainly ozone therapy and nutritional consulting, after which I send people to the health food store with a shopping list. I can understand yor position on whole foods and water being enough but I'm going with the anti-aging specialists on this one. Some of the clinical work that forms part of my belief system is on my web site. You'll see it's fairly thorough. A google search on " duncan crow " turns up my website and a lot of my newspaper colums. Duncan Crow > > Let me guess. If whole foods and water are not enough, then I guess the > only way we can survive is to go to your web site and buy products that > you sell. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic > Counselor Reiki Practitioner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 I had never heard of DeSilva, but the concept that we need whole foods AND some supplements is not a new one and it's been proven in practice. I've been behind the concept since I read Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw's Life Extension book in 1982. Like the anti-aging specialists say, I think supplements are part of the the difference between a wholesome natural existance and a bid for optimal lealth and longevity. Duncan Crow > > Duncan...Your comments sound very similar to those of Dr. Derrick > DeSilva, President of The American Nutricuetical Association. I've > heard him speak on three different occasions and He ALWAYS puts > emphasis on the importance of supplementation to help reduce the > effects of the " oxidation " process..which if I understand him > correctly is sort of like the body " rusting " and is responsible for > much disease and sickness...and anti-oxidants help > to reduce this type damage..I believe he certainly would agree with > everything you've stated. Excellent information...thank you... > > Healthy Blessings! > Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Kevin, In order to maintain your health, you need: * good whole foods * exercise * meditation * detoxification With out all of these, all of the magic pills, whether they are medications, vitamins, minerals, food supplements, etc., will only slow down the disease process. Foods such as organically grown, non irradiated, non-GMO whole grains, beans, nuts, and seeds are still alive and will sprout if soaked in water; They all contain healing energy. Similarly, organically grown, non irradiated, non-GMO vegetables are also alive will grow. Processed foods, including canned and frozen vegetables, are dead and do not contain healing energy. The same thing for cracked grains and flours. Only your body can heal itself, and it needs the energy from live foods to do so. Since most people are already diseased from years of the Standard American Diet (SAD), they can mitigate the healing process by taking vitamins, minerals, etc., if they are deficient in them. An RBC mineral test and a hair analysis will show mineral deficiencies, a vitamin panel will show vitamin deficiencies, an EFA panel will show EFA deficiencies, etc. Taking synthetic vitamins can actually make you worse, because they are not complete and your body will not process them correctly. Inorganic forms of minerals, if even absorbed, can have the same effect. The best supplements are made from concentrated foods. Some of the ones mentions on this news group are Seasilver, Life Force, and Cell Tech. They are all made from sea vegetation, and are bioavailable. Minerals made from skeletons or shells of animals, such as Coral Calcium, are not bioavailable. Just like the medical profession wants to pump you full of needless medications so that they get their rebates from the drug companies, people hawking food supplements are doing the same thing. Proper testing and diagnosis is necessary before you pump someone full of anything, whether, medications, herbs, vitamins, etc. I take it that you fell for Duncan's infomercials. -- Donald E. Jacobs Registered Massage Therapist Macrobiotic Counselor Reiki Practitioner Professional Speaker >Donald, >Regardless whether you buy supplements or not, it is a fact that >it takes more of the same food to equal the same nutritional >content we were getting twenty-some years ago. Because of >synthetic fertilizers (92% of farmers use them) and shorter >growing cycles (produce is often picked and ripened in the store) >the food we eat is not the same that many of us grew up with. >Even the ADA (American Dietetic's Association) has switched >their tune. Used to be they pooh-poohed supplements. Now they >say it's necessary if you want to maintain optimal health. > >Kevin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 For some reason, that brings the salt licks to mind. They work for animals and livestock, why not people? If synthetic vitamins are taken with the whole foods, we know they work because they produce positive effect. Take vitamin b-complex for example... used for mental problems including schizophrenia, depression, anxiety and insomnia for over fifty years by the father of orthomolecular nutrition, Dr. Abram Hoffer. It might be more accurate to say there may be varying degrees of absorption and utilisation, but inorganics and synthetics do work. The body will ionize minerals in the gut for example. That makes the inorganic minerals absorbable. Duncan Crow > > Taking synthetic vitamins can actually make you worse, because they are > not complete and your body will not process them correctly. Inorganic > forms of minerals, if even absorbed, can have the same effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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