Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Viv: I wouldn't doubt it is the Cajeput, but it might also be the Pine oil that is causing irritation; while it is extremely useful at what it does, it sounds like it is full of dessicants. What is the carrier, and what is the strength of the oils? It sounds awfully harsh as a topical oil. Have you tried using warm humidity (i.e. sitting over a hot pot of water with a towel over your head)? Drop some eucalyptus, peppermint and tea tree in the water and inhale the fumes. It will clear your head right out. Vicks inhalers contain menthol and lavender oil, in addition to the other ingredients. If you can discover the components of this Ponaris and have a reputable aromatherapist mix a milder form of it for you, they might consider adding lavender and/or tea tree and skipping the cajeput and pine. viv44 wrote: > Is anyone familiar with Ponaris, and if it has > alternatives, as a nasal emollient? > > I'm having a chronic problem for which my doctor > has prescribed an over the counter nose drop named, Ponaris. > Ponaris contains the active ingredients: > > Oils of Pine > Eucalyptus, > Peppermint > Cajeput > and Cottonseed > as specially prepared iodized organic oils. > > It helps with the problem it was prescribed for. The problems resulting from > using it though, is raw, burning throat, and broken capilaries, in my nose. > > I tried reducing the quantity per use, to minimize the throat and capilary > problem, but doing so, makes it ineffective for the original purpose and I still > suffer broken capilaries and a slightly less, raw throat. Some times I get a > hot flush after using it. > I suspect the Cajeput, (a derevitive of a pepper) is > the main culprit. Would anyone be aware of an alternative to this? > > I'd really appreciate any help, possible. > > Viv* > -- Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " -- --- Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH AIM: CaroCrow http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. " Albert Einstein A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary person learns by his or her own experience. A fool learns by nobody's experience. " It's not where you go, but what you see that makes life a pilgrimage. " Carolyn Scott Kortge Kurt Vonnegut: " Hello, babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. At the outside, babies, you've got about a hundred years here. There is only one rule I know of, babies... you've got to be kind. " (God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Florie: I am curious about the Neti pot. I have seen them, and I have had MDs recommend nasal irrigation in the past, but I have difficulty " snuffing " warm salt water (the recommendation)... past life drowning issues, I guess <LOL> How do you use the pots, and does it stimulate the same sort of choking sensation? Thanks, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " " Richard M. Gray, Ph.D. and Florence Tomasulo Gray " wrote: > Hi. Please forgive me if I am being redundant. I've just joined the group > and this is my first post. > > Have you had any experience using a Neti pot for your nasal cleansing? I'd > be happy to provide more information if you aren't familiar with it. > > Sorry if I'm being a Master of the Obvious. I probably should lurk about > for a few days, but am anxious to learn more about this community. > > Be well, > > Florie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Viv: Most of the oils listed actually have a drying/dessicant effect, rather than a moisturizing one... You would be better off if you are having a dryness issue to try a water/glycerine base, or ocean spray, which is a neutral pH saline solution. There is an old principle in moisturizing, that you have to put water in before you can keep it in, so oil alone will not moisturize, it only seals or clogs the surface. If you are going for emollient or moisturizing, I'd definitely avoid the pine and cajeput, since they are drying/irritating, and go light on the eucalyptus and peppermint, too! All of these oils stimulate circulation and some act as vasodilators, so are probably the reason you're getting the bloodshot nose. An aromatherapist would probably have some good suggestions for mild carrier oils that are okay to be used in nosedrops... not everything is safe, since it could be inhaled into the lungs, not a good place for some oils. It seems that your doctor ordered you a decongestant, when what you need is something different for your sinuses. I'm still leaning towards the lavender, tea tree, and maybe chamomile since you are so delicate. Any aromatherapists here want to take a stab at it? Good luck, I feel for you... Crow viv44 wrote: > If there are dessicants, they aren't listing them. It's something known to have > been included in the NASA medical space kit. The dosage of half a dopper in > each > side was probably measured/tested on men. I'm inclined to b e delicate and > often have to take less of reccomended dosages a lot of the time. This stuff is > just to strong. > Can't find anything that tells the strength or their proportions to each other. > Beyond that, it's a prepared iodized 0.5% assimilable, non-lipoid potential, > whatever that > means. > > > > > Have you tried using warm humidity (i.e. sitting over a hot pot of water with > a > > towel over your head)? Drop some eucalyptus, peppermint and tea tree in the > water > > and inhale the fumes. It will clear your head right out. > > Vicks inhalers contain menthol and lavender oil, in addition to the other > > ingredients. If you can discover the components of this Ponaris and have a > > reputable aromatherapist mix a milder form of it for you, they might consider > > adding lavender and/or tea tree and skipping the cajeput and pine. > > The above suggestions sound like good things to try. > The eucalyptus, peppermint, and tea tree in hot water > An aromatherapist mix. Getting my own mix sounds like a really good way to go. > > Thanks Caroline. Really appreciate your suggestions. > > Viv* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Florie: If the procedure is not too long, then feel free to post it on to the list... if you think it is, then we can make a text file out of it and put it in the shared files area instead. But I do think it might be useful for a few of us, and it might be particularly useful for me right now. I was diagnosed this past week with obstructive sleep apnea, and it appears to be more of a nasal/sinus problem than a throat problem. So, anything I can do to work on opening up the old shnoz so that the CPAP will be effective will be a plus, I can use all the oxygen I can get <LOL> Thanks, Crow PS: And by the way, welcome to you, and to our other new members... we are growing every day! " Richard M. Gray, Ph.D. and Florence Tomasulo Gray " wrote: " Caroline Abreu " <crow > > Florie: > > > > I am curious about the Neti pot. I have seen them, and I have had MDs > recommend > > nasal irrigation in the past, but I have difficulty " snuffing " warm salt water > > > (the recommendation)... past life drowning issues, I guess <LOL> > > > I had difficulty bringing myself to use one--the thought of pouring water in one > nostril and watching it flow out the other was just a bit too gross for me--I've > never even been able to swim with my head underwater!! However, > it's now become an absolutely comfortable twice-daily routine--and takes less > time than brushing and flossing! I'll be happy to forward you complete > information tomorrow. Would you prefer it on- or offlist? > > > How do you use the pots, and does it stimulate the same sort of choking > sensation? > > > No, and I am a gagger, too! The secret is to hold your head forward and bent > slightly down--any water that does not go into your sinus cavities will drain > from your nostrils, rather than go into your throat--no gagging. > Believe me--if I can do it, anyone can. The pot is designed to allow a gentle, > gravity-driven flow of water. No need to try to snuff it up or use a water pic > (yikes!) or squeeze bottle. This has been the preferred way of cleansing for > centuries...probably because it works so well. > > I've suffered from recurrent sinus infections and constant severe headaches for > years. The last doctor I saw told me that I had few options left--nasal lavage, > long-term antibiotic therapy or surgery. It was an easy choice! > I'm not allergy or headache free, but have improved so very much in less than a > year that it feels miraculous. > > I'll be happy to post more about this tomorrow if anyone finds it of interest. > > Thank you for the welcome to the group. I think I'm going to learn a lot here! > > Be well, > > Florie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Is anyone familiar with Ponaris, and if it has alternatives, as a nasal emollient? I'm having a chronic problem for which my doctor has prescribed an over the counter nose drop named, Ponaris. Ponaris contains the active ingredients: Oils of Pine Eucalyptus, Peppermint Cajeput and Cottonseed as specially prepared iodized organic oils. It helps with the problem it was prescribed for. The problems resulting from using it though, is raw, burning throat, and broken capilaries, in my nose. I tried reducing the quantity per use, to minimize the throat and capilary problem, but doing so, makes it ineffective for the original purpose and I still suffer broken capilaries and a slightly less, raw throat. Some times I get a hot flush after using it. I suspect the Cajeput, (a derevitive of a pepper) is the main culprit. Would anyone be aware of an alternative to this? I'd really appreciate any help, possible. Viv* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Hi. Please forgive me if I am being redundant. I've just joined the group and this is my first post. Have you had any experience using a Neti pot for your nasal cleansing? I'd be happy to provide more information if you aren't familiar with it. Sorry if I'm being a Master of the Obvious. I probably should lurk about for a few days, but am anxious to learn more about this community. Be well, Florie - " Caroline Abreu " <crow Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:16 AM Re: Ponaris > > > > I tried reducing the quantity per use, to minimize the throat and capilary > > problem, but doing so, makes it ineffective for the original purpose and I still > > suffer broken capilaries and a slightly less, raw throat. Some times I get a > > hot flush after using it. > > I suspect the Cajeput, (a derevitive of a pepper) is > > the main culprit. Would anyone be aware of an alternative to this? > > > > I'd really appreciate any help, possible. > > > > Viv* > > > > -- > Blessings, > Crow > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " > -- > --- > Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH > AIM: CaroCrow > http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance > > " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud > > " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we > created them. " Albert Einstein > > A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary person learns by his > or her own experience. A fool learns by nobody's experience. > > " It's not where you go, but what you see that makes life a pilgrimage. " Carolyn > Scott Kortge > > Kurt Vonnegut: > > " Hello, babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and > cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. At the > outside, babies, you've got about a hundred years here. There > is only one rule I know of, babies... you've got to be kind. " (God Bless You, Mr. > Rosewater) > > > > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Hello Florie: > Have you had any experience using a Neti pot for your nasal cleansing? I'd > be happy to provide more information if you aren't familiar with it. It's not for cleansing, it is an emollient. To much dry air and a smoker husband results in a condition, I didn't want to get detailed about, because it seemed gross for putting to a list. If you know of any alternatives to this stuff, I would appreciate it. Thank you, Viv* > Re: Ponaris > > > > > > I tried reducing the quantity per use, to minimize the throat and > capilary > > > problem, but doing so, makes it ineffective for the original purpose and > I still > > > suffer broken capilaries and a slightly less, raw throat. Some times I > get a > > > hot flush after using it. > > > I suspect the Cajeput, (a derevitive of a pepper) is > > > the main culprit. Would anyone be aware of an alternative to this? > > > > > > I'd really appreciate any help, possible. > > > > > > Viv* > > > > > > > -- > > Blessings, > > Crow > > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " > > -- > > --- > > Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH > > AIM: CaroCrow > > http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance > > > > " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud > > > > " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when > we > > created them. " Albert Einstein > > > > A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary person > learns by his > > or her own experience. A fool learns by nobody's experience. > > > > " It's not where you go, but what you see that makes life a pilgrimage. " > Carolyn > > Scott Kortge > > > > Kurt Vonnegut: > > > > " Hello, babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and > > cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. At the > > outside, babies, you've got about a hundred years here. There > > is only one rule I know of, babies... you've got to be kind. " (God Bless > You, Mr. > > Rosewater) > > > > > > > > > > **************************************** > > Visit the community page: > > For administrative problems -owner > > To , - > > > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the > group and the individual authors. > > > > > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 > > I wouldn't doubt it is the Cajeput, but it might also be the Pine oil that is > causing irritation; while it is extremely useful at what it does, it sounds like > it is full of dessicants. What is the carrier, and what is the strength of the > oils? It sounds awfully harsh as a topical oil. If there are dessicants, they aren't listing them. It's something known to have been included in the NASA medical space kit. The dosage of half a dopper in each side was probably measured/tested on men. I'm inclined to b e delicate and often have to take less of reccomended dosages a lot of the time. This stuff is just to strong. Can't find anything that tells the strength or their proportions to each other. Beyond that, it's a prepared iodized 0.5% assimilable, non-lipoid potential, whatever that means. > > Have you tried using warm humidity (i.e. sitting over a hot pot of water with a > towel over your head)? Drop some eucalyptus, peppermint and tea tree in the water > and inhale the fumes. It will clear your head right out. > Vicks inhalers contain menthol and lavender oil, in addition to the other > ingredients. If you can discover the components of this Ponaris and have a > reputable aromatherapist mix a milder form of it for you, they might consider > adding lavender and/or tea tree and skipping the cajeput and pine. The above suggestions sound like good things to try. The eucalyptus, peppermint, and tea tree in hot water Vick inhaler An aromatherapist mix. Getting my own mix sounds like a really good way to go. Thanks Caroline. Really appreciate your suggestions. Viv* > > viv44 wrote: > > > Is anyone familiar with Ponaris, and if it has > > alternatives, as a nasal emollient? > > > > I'm having a chronic problem for which my doctor > > has prescribed an over the counter nose drop named, Ponaris. > > Ponaris contains the active ingredients: > > > > Oils of Pine > > Eucalyptus, > > Peppermint > > Cajeput > > and Cottonseed > > as specially prepared iodized organic oils. > > > > It helps with the problem it was prescribed for. The problems resulting from > > using it though, is raw, burning throat, and broken capilaries, in my nose. > > > > I tried reducing the quantity per use, to minimize the throat and capilary > > problem, but doing so, makes it ineffective for the original purpose and I still > > suffer broken capilaries and a slightly less, raw throat. Some times I get a > > hot flush after using it. > > I suspect the Cajeput, (a derevitive of a pepper) is > > the main culprit. Would anyone be aware of an alternative to this? > > > > I'd really appreciate any help, possible. > > > > Viv* > > > > -- > Blessings, > Crow > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " > -- > --- > Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH > AIM: CaroCrow > http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance > > " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud > > " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we > created them. " Albert Einstein > > A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary person learns by his > or her own experience. A fool learns by nobody's experience. > > " It's not where you go, but what you see that makes life a pilgrimage. " Carolyn > Scott Kortge > > Kurt Vonnegut: > > " Hello, babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and > cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. At the > outside, babies, you've got about a hundred years here. There > is only one rule I know of, babies... you've got to be kind. " (God Bless You, Mr. > Rosewater) > > > > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 First off saline or salt water is not recommended in oriental medicine. Try banchu tea-weak solution. Patricia Gilmore, C.M.Ht. http://www.BeBest.com RECEIVE A FREE SUBSCRIPTION TO " BE YOUR VERY BEST " Wellness and Success Tips, Life Enhancement Techniques, Presentation Information and Empowerment. Be The Best That You Can Be - Empower Yourself !!! - Caroline Abreu <crow Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:54 AM Re: Ponaris > Florie: > > I am curious about the Neti pot. I have seen them, and I have had MDs recommend > nasal irrigation in the past, but I have difficulty " snuffing " warm salt water > (the recommendation)... past life drowning issues, I guess <LOL> > > How do you use the pots, and does it stimulate the same sort of choking sensation? > > Thanks, > Crow > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " > > " Richard M. Gray, Ph.D. and Florence Tomasulo Gray " wrote: > > > Hi. Please forgive me if I am being redundant. I've just joined the group > > and this is my first post. > > > > Have you had any experience using a Neti pot for your nasal cleansing? I'd > > be happy to provide more information if you aren't familiar with it. > > > > Sorry if I'm being a Master of the Obvious. I probably should lurk about > > for a few days, but am anxious to learn more about this community. > > > > Be well, > > > > Florie > > > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 - " Caroline Abreu " <crow Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:54 AM Re: Ponaris > Florie: > > I am curious about the Neti pot. I have seen them, and I have had MDs recommend > nasal irrigation in the past, but I have difficulty " snuffing " warm salt water > (the recommendation)... past life drowning issues, I guess <LOL> > I had difficulty bringing myself to use one--the thought of pouring water in one nostril and watching it flow out the other was just a bit too gross for me--I've never even been able to swim with my head underwater!! However, it's now become an absolutely comfortable twice-daily routine--and takes less time than brushing and flossing! I'll be happy to forward you complete information tomorrow. Would you prefer it on- or offlist? > How do you use the pots, and does it stimulate the same sort of choking sensation? > No, and I am a gagger, too! The secret is to hold your head forward and bent slightly down--any water that does not go into your sinus cavities will drain from your nostrils, rather than go into your throat--no gagging. Believe me--if I can do it, anyone can. The pot is designed to allow a gentle, gravity-driven flow of water. No need to try to snuff it up or use a water pic (yikes!) or squeeze bottle. This has been the preferred way of cleansing for centuries...probably because it works so well. I've suffered from recurrent sinus infections and constant severe headaches for years. The last doctor I saw told me that I had few options left--nasal lavage, long-term antibiotic therapy or surgery. It was an easy choice! I'm not allergy or headache free, but have improved so very much in less than a year that it feels miraculous. I'll be happy to post more about this tomorrow if anyone finds it of interest. Thank you for the welcome to the group. I think I'm going to learn a lot here! Be well, Florie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Candidiasis can lead to allergic reactions to common stuff like milk and sinus problems. Try colloidal silver and cutting out dairy products. Mark viv44 <viv44 28 September 2000 21:49 Ponaris >Is anyone familiar with Ponaris, and if it has >alternatives, as a nasal emollient? > >I'm having a chronic problem for which my doctor >has prescribed an over the counter nose drop named, Ponaris. >Ponaris contains the active ingredients: > >Oils of Pine > Eucalyptus, > Peppermint > Cajeput > and Cottonseed >as specially prepared iodized organic oils. > >It helps with the problem it was prescribed for. The problems resulting >from using it though, is raw, burning throat, and broken capilaries, in my >nose. > >I tried reducing the quantity per use, to minimize the throat and capilary >problem, but doing so, makes it ineffective for the original purpose and I >still suffer broken capilaries and a slightly less, raw throat. Some times >I get a hot flush after using it. >I suspect the Cajeput, (a derevitive of a pepper) is >the main culprit. Would anyone be aware of an alternative to this? > >I'd really appreciate any help, possible. > >Viv* > > > >**************************************** >Visit the community page: >For administrative problems -owner >To , - > >All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Hello! I also have sleep apnea and I'm supposed to wear what they call a CPAC. It blows air down your throat all night to keep the passages open because I stop breathing many time during the night. I am also on oxygen 24 hours a day because of breathing problems. I don't get enough oxygen into my lungs. I get so depressed being hooked to my house all the time or I have to lug and oxygen tank with me where ever I go. Plus many other illnesses. That's why I'm here so I can talk to people and know that I'm not alone out there. Ellie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Florie, I'm having problems getting use to the CPAC. How did your husband get over that? I have claustrophobia. I feel like I'm going to suffocate with it over my nose and mouth. Please help!!!!!!! Ellie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Hi Viv The oils you mention as being contained in Ponaris can all be on the harsher side. If I were making up something for myself I would use Jojoba as my carrier oil and add essential oils such as Eucalyptus smithii (which is gentler and considered better for prolonged use than Eucalyptus globulus), Lemon, Manuka and Helichrysum. I would use this in a 1 - 2% dilution. i.e. to 1oz (30ml) of carrier oil add 6 - 12 drops TOTAL of essential oil or blend of essential oils. All the best Bev > Message: 6 > Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:48:56 -0700 > viv44 > Re: Ponaris > > > It's not for cleansing, it is an emollient. To much dry air and a smoker > husband > results in a condition, I didn't want to get detailed about, because it > seemed > gross for putting to a list. > > If you know of any alternatives to this stuff, I would appreciate it. > > Thank you, > Viv* -- Beverley von Marksfeld-Fuhrherr West Coast Institute of Aromatherapy Inc Quality Home Study Aromatherapy Courses Website: http://www.westcoastaromatherapy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Hello! You're not alone out there at all! Isn't the CPAC a miracle? Before Rick, my husband, was diagnosed with apnea, he was literally narcoleptic. He would fall asleep for mini-seconds while driving to work; when he began taking the train for safety reasons, people would avoid him--he was the guy who would fall asleep and snore so loudly that he would annoy the entire car; and once, while working with a client in a hypnotic trance, he suddenly awoke in the middle of a therapy session and found himself telling the client " ...and when you hear the sound of the angels singing... " . Luckily, he was able to recover and continue the hypnotherapy session. Maybe the angels helped him! The CPAC is wonderful. Do you have some positive experiences that you might be able to share? Be well, Florie - <GRANDMABEAR712 Friday, September 29, 2000 1:34 PM Re: Ponaris > Hello! I also have sleep apnea and I'm supposed to wear what they call a > CPAC. It blows air down your throat all night to keep the passages open > because I stop breathing many time during the night. I am also on oxygen 24 > hours a day because of breathing problems. I don't get enough oxygen into my > lungs. I get so depressed being hooked to my house all the time or I have to > lug and oxygen tank with me where ever I go. Plus many other illnesses. > That's why I'm here so I can talk to people and know that I'm not alone out > there. > Ellie > > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Dear Ellie; Rick is out on an errand, but will be back soon. I'll ask him to write to you and give you some advice. He's a professional (a professional apneac and a pretty good psychologist), so I think that he will be able to tell you just what you need to know. This is only my second day on the list, but I think that Crow also has a CPAC. I'm sure that she will also be able to help you out with some constructive suggestions. In the meantime, and remember that I'm just throwing in my two cents worth here: I would suggest that you try to reframe the situation. OK, Ellie, you're claustrophobic. So am I. I understand the physical discomfort and the fear of suffocation. Let's look at it this way--I would Feel *Very* Secure sleeping with a device that will allow me to Breathe Freely All Night. The apnea is the problem. The machine is the solution. It keeps you safe while you sleep, enables you to rest and rebuild your body. Rick will be home soon, and I'm sure that he will have some very helpful suggestions and that you will sleep well tonight. Florie - <GRANDMABEAR712 Friday, September 29, 2000 2:43 PM Re: Ponaris > Florie, > I'm having problems getting use to the CPAC. How did your husband get over > that? I have claustrophobia. I feel like I'm going to suffocate with it over > my nose and mouth. Please help!!!!!!! > Ellie > > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Hi Ellie, I think Florie gave you some good advice. I guess that what I'd like to know first is whether it needs to be over both your mouth and nose. CPAP (CPAC) masks come in all different sizes and styles. I hope this doesn't sound presumptuous, but mine fits just over the nose. If that's the case with yours, then that adjustment might make all the difference in the world. I find that while waiting for the machine to ramp up, there are sometimes a few miniseconds when I experience some minor discomfort. At those times, I've learned to breathe through my mouth. I'm always wonderfully surprised by the rush of cool clean air as it comes through the mask. Another thing that I've noticed is that when I'm ready for sleep, the mask is never a problem. If I don't feel like sleeping, it becomes a bigger distraction. Use good sleep hygiene. Don't put the mask on unless you are mentally and physically ready for sleep. In that way, the mask will become a sign to your body that it's time for sleep and will treat it like your sleep switch. Please let us know if this is helpful. Rick and Florie - <GRANDMABEAR712 Friday, September 29, 2000 2:43 PM Re: Ponaris > Florie, > I'm having problems getting use to the CPAC. How did your husband get over > that? I have claustrophobia. I feel like I'm going to suffocate with it over > my nose and mouth. Please help!!!!!!! > Ellie > > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2000 Report Share Posted October 1, 2000 Hi Crow I have asthma and use to be on an inhaler 4times a day. I started to take Alfalfa and an herb called schizandra which is an adaptogen which means it will do what the body needs it to do. I don't use an inhaler anymore Cathy Mcv1052 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2000 Report Share Posted October 2, 2000 >I was diagnosed this past week with obstructive sleep apnea, and it appears to be >more of a nasal/sinus problem than a throat problem. So, anything I can do to >work on opening up the old shnoz so that the CPAP will be effective will be a >plus, I can use all the oxygen I can get <LOL> > >Thanks, >Crow I too have obstructive as well as central sleep apnea. Most doctors start you out with a basic mask that is triangular in shape and fits over your nose. If you find that difficult to tolerate or ineffective at keeping the air flowing through your nasal passages, talk to your doctor about a head set that uses nasal pillows. I ended up having to switch to this type of head gear because even the small size mask tended to leak air into my eyes and did not do a very good job of keeping my nasal passages open. The nasal pillows actually fit directly into the nostrils so that the air flow is more directed and avoids both the problem of air leaking and sinus closing down. Bright Blessings, Angharad Truthsayer aka Sandy Roberts We within us carry all the knowledge necessary to create a beautiful universe filled with love, laughter and joy. Begin today to find this within you and share it with the world. You will find that it will be the greatest journey you can ever imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2000 Report Share Posted October 2, 2000 >I was diagnosed this past week with obstructive sleep apnea, and it appears to be >more of a nasal/sinus problem than a throat problem. So, anything I can do to >work on opening up the old shnoz so that the CPAP will be effective will be a >plus, I can use all the oxygen I can get <LOL> > >Thanks, >Crow Crow, Consider Cranial/Sacral Treatments. A Chiropractor would be most helpful in this form of treatment. The realignment of the cranial bones would assist in releveing your problem. I have experienced such treatments and they are most helpful. Sincerely, Dreamweaver/Jeri Jo A. Redman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2000 Report Share Posted October 10, 2000 Hi, I dont know if this will be of any help but I just bought a product called liquid " Body oxygen " at a health food store...supposed to have herbs and such that increase oxygen to the system. Ive also heard of a product called : " O2Mega " which is made with sodium chloride and trace minerals and taste like chlorox. Maybe some others here on the list can add to this or comment on it. I have also taken a product put out by Natures Sunshine called ALJ which is for sinus and lung support and does wonders for helping me to breathe. Also cutting out all dairy does indeed help. Hope you arefeeling better, Mary Anne - GRANDMABEAR712 Friday, September 29, 2000 12:34 PM Re: Ponaris Hello! I also have sleep apnea and I'm supposed to wear what they call a CPAC. It blows air down your throat all night to keep the passages open because I stop breathing many time during the night. I am also on oxygen 24 hours a day because of breathing problems. I don't get enough oxygen into my lungs. I get so depressed being hooked to my house all the time or I have to lug and oxygen tank with me where ever I go. Plus many other illnesses. That's why I'm here so I can talk to people and know that I'm not alone out there. Ellie **************************************** Visit the community page: For administrative problems -owner To , - All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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