Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Mary Anne and Good Group, While I claim no special ministerial credentials, I have had occasion to suspect this condition in myself once. My mainstay for years when I have my back again' the wall, is G-Jo accupressure (Mike Blate) as I have mentioned here. Because I have been dowsing for years for " best information " I trusted my " little seashell " pendulum when it had the moxey to suggest I was in the grip of unsavory energies at one point. To be brief yet complete, please allow me to quote him direct and then offer the one point he presents to address the problem. ( Don't forget EFT or TFT or another of the energy therapies available) Michael says " Possession by Devils " (also see mental disturbances. (I'll only add this if requested, after all, we don't have all day) " In cultures or subcultures that believe in devilish possession, symptoms such as marked change in behavior-invariably unpleasant-antisocial actions, rapid changes in physical appearance, etc. are thought to be signs of such possession. In short, any sort of rapid change that makes the sufferer more or less unrecognizable in action or appearance, to friends of long standing, is suspect. Classical schizophrenia, brain tumors and numerous other mental and/or physical disorders may exhibit similar symptoms. " The one point as per the G-Jo system (and it has half a dozen other uses) is *78. Located " two hand widths " below the tip of the shoulder, in the middle portion of the upper armm. If it is " hot " it probably is worth some attention in whatever way you deal with meridian disruption. Hope I didn't write too much, only wanted to be clear in my humble response to the need. Regards, Boomer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 This topic has been quite interesting and so I would like to get some options for this gentleman I know. He has a wife, two kids he adores, a beautiful home and a good business to top it all off. But he can't stop having affairs or flirting around. He is about to loose his family because of his games and he is completely devastated. We are close friends so we talk a lot and he insists he doesn't understand why he does it. He says he goes out with the best intentions of behaving appropriately and just as if he had two personalities he finds himself doing the opposite. He says he has a big hole inside and even though his family is perfect he feels empty. How can I help this family? His wife who is also my friend is so sweet, she says she forgives him because she knows he can't stop but she won't stay with him anymore. She fears he will now go head first into his own abyss. I wonder if there is something I could recommend to help him turn his life around? Any suggestions? In Love and Light Norma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 The possession that I speak of is not the quija board type or of some unaccountable anger unleashing or by a temporary intrusion of another but rather a very deliberate act of an individual , not thru voodoo or some preconceived medatation though it might involve that...a very deliberate methodically thought out attempt by a professional botant to control other human beings incl his family and students. While talking about this issue I would also like to address the fact that I believe there are many parents invading their childrens minds in a myriad of disturbing often detrimental ways and between men and women. Do you know how many children fantacize about making themselves small enough to enter anothers body and travel down their bloodstream usually in ordr to cure them? Well this involves something along those lines in order to control and moderate the bodily and spiritual system. The pope for instance and others have always traditionally recommended fasting sugesting that whatever this projection entity is it attaches somewhere to the liver or stomach. And eastern medicine such as acupincture will treat the liver meridian for such systems. Im realy not sure what I am asking but it does seem to me that men and women differ considerably on this issue. Not that women cant posses but they will do it in a far different manner. The idea here is the ability of a man to project not only himself but some sort of viralsubstance of himself into another. As it is said I read this somewhere that a man is connected to his sperm for 7 years after. Meaning that a certain psychic connection would invariably exist. A man who can eject his cytoplasm or whatever containing his deliberate acts of mind and intention canalso find his prey anywhere from the third eye or pituatary gland. Why a man would do this is of cpourse psychotic. But the matter is he does it. So this is just a query as the rest is tiring and these topics debatable enough. Mary Anne - Boomer Halfcircle Friday, September 15, 2000 12:05 PM Un-possessing My Groups | Main Page | Start a new group! Mary Anne and Good Group, While I claim no special ministerial credentials, I have had occasion to suspect this condition in myself once. My mainstay for years when I have my back again' the wall, is G-Jo accupressure (Mike Blate) as I have mentioned here. Because I have been dowsing for years for " best information " I trusted my " little seashell " pendulum when it had the moxey to suggest I was in the grip of unsavory energies at one point. To be brief yet complete, please allow me to quote him direct and then offer the one point he presents to address the problem. ( Don't forget EFT or TFT or another of the energy therapies available) Michael says " Possession by Devils " (also see mental disturbances. (I'll only add this if requested, after all, we don't have all day) " In cultures or subcultures that believe in devilish possession, symptoms such as marked change in behavior-invariably unpleasant-antisocial actions, rapid changes in physical appearance, etc. are thought to be signs of such possession. In short, any sort of rapid change that makes the sufferer more or less unrecognizable in action or appearance, to friends of long standing, is suspect. Classical schizophrenia, brain tumors and numerous other mental and/or physical disorders may exhibit similar symptoms. " The one point as per the G-Jo system (and it has half a dozen other uses) is *78. Located " two hand widths " below the tip of the shoulder, in the middle portion of the upper armm. If it is " hot " it probably is worth some attention in whatever way you deal with meridian disruption. Hope I didn't write too much, only wanted to be clear in my humble response to the need. Regards, Boomer **************************************** Visit the community page: For administrative problems contact: -owner - All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 Mary Anne: What are you basing this idea upon? If you are interested in some different kinds of energetic obsession besides actual possession, you might enjoy reading " Unholy Hungers " which is about energetic vampirism, both conscious and unconscious thievery of life force from others. Another source of information that may help you are the books of Carlos Casteneda and his discussions of the belief structures of his mentor Don Juan in Mexico. What you are discussing also sounds vaguely like the cording that is discussed in " The Sorcerer's Crossing " . A personal technique called " recapitulation " is used by the people training in this life way to release themselves from the energetic cords of others. What you need to understand is that cording is a natural process; we normally call this bonding, and in families and relationships it is ideally a positive and desired experience. The problem comes when an individual uses cording to control or steal energy from others. This can happen even in relationships that might be considered " loving " ... or in the passionate sort of relationships that occur between enemies and casual sexual partners. Autoimmune disorders are not created by invasive cords of others, but by dysfunction in the immune system related to anger at the self or intense grief; the body literally turns against itself, and unless the attitude changes, the body will devour itself. The liver or stomach is as close a physical focus can be to the solar plexus, where most cords originate and attach. So in a way, the instructions to fast and focus are probably useful. Releasing those cords takes a bit of effort, and a willingness to release them; you might be surprised how many people have secondary gains related to their codependent relationship with a cording person. Mary Anne Haas wrote: > The possession that I speak of is not the quija board type or of some > unaccountable anger unleashing or by a temporary intrusion of another but > rather a very deliberate act of an individual , not thru voodoo or some > preconceived medatation though it might involve that...a very deliberate > methodically thought out attempt by a professional botant to control other > human beings incl his family and students. > > While talking about this issue I would also like to address the fact that I > believe there are many parents invading their childrens minds in a myriad of > disturbing often detrimental ways and between men and women. > > Do you know how many children fantacize about making themselves small enough to > enter anothers body and travel down their bloodstream usually in ordr to cure > them? Well this involves something along those lines in order to control > and moderate the bodily and spiritual system. > > The pope for instance and others have always traditionally recommended fasting > sugesting that whatever this projection entity is it attaches somewhere to the > liver or stomach. And eastern medicine such as acupincture will treat the > liver meridian for such systems. > > Im realy not sure what I am asking but it does seem to me that men and women > differ considerably on this issue. Not that women cant posses but they will do > it in a far different manner. > > The idea here is the ability of a man to project not only himself but some sort > of viralsubstance of himself into another. As it is said I read this somewhere > that a man is connected to his sperm for 7 years after. Meaning that a certain > psychic connection would invariably exist. A man who can eject his cytoplasm > or whatever containing his deliberate acts of mind and intention canalso find > his prey anywhere from the third eye or pituatary > gland. > > Why a man would do this is of cpourse psychotic. But the matter is he does it. > > So this is just a query as the rest is tiring and these topics debatable > enough. > > Mary Anne -- Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " -- --- Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH AIM: CaroCrow http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. " Albert Einstein A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary person learns by his or her own experience. A fool learns by nobody's experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 Caroline, Yes, the secondary gains play a major part though I realize they are totally deceptive they play a major role, are a major hook on the emotions or spirit, for when something goes wrong ie my feelings seem to be hurt it will kick in as the devoted friend and IM trying to use the EFT affirmations. The tapping is amazingly useful. even a loud tapping on a table seems to break some kind of attachment. will look into those books Mary Anne - Caroline Abreu Saturday, September 16, 2000 7:55 PM Re: Un-possessing My Groups | Main Page | Start a new group! Mary Anne: What are you basing this idea upon? If you are interested in some different kinds of energetic obsession besides actual possession, you might enjoy reading " Unholy Hungers " which is about energetic vampirism, both conscious and unconscious thievery of life force from others. Another source of information that may help you are the books of Carlos Casteneda and his discussions of the belief structures of his mentor Don Juan in Mexico. What you are discussing also sounds vaguely like the cording that is discussed in " The Sorcerer's Crossing " . A personal technique called " recapitulation " is used by the people training in this life way to release themselves from the energetic cords of others. What you need to understand is that cording is a natural process; we normally call this bonding, and in families and relationships it is ideally a positive and desired experience. The problem comes when an individual uses cording to control or steal energy from others. This can happen even in relationships that might be considered " loving " ... or in the passionate sort of relationships that occur between enemies and casual sexual partners. Autoimmune disorders are not created by invasive cords of others, but by dysfunction in the immune system related to anger at the self or intense grief; the body literally turns against itself, and unless the attitude changes, the body will devour itself. The liver or stomach is as close a physical focus can be to the solar plexus, where most cords originate and attach. So in a way, the instructions to fast and focus are probably useful. Releasing those cords takes a bit of effort, and a willingness to release them; you might be surprised how many people have secondary gains related to their codependent relationship with a cording person. Mary Anne Haas wrote: > The possession that I speak of is not the quija board type or of some > unaccountable anger unleashing or by a temporary intrusion of another but > rather a very deliberate act of an individual , not thru voodoo or some > preconceived medatation though it might involve that...a very deliberate > methodically thought out attempt by a professional botant to control other > human beings incl his family and students. > > While talking about this issue I would also like to address the fact that I > believe there are many parents invading their childrens minds in a myriad of > disturbing often detrimental ways and between men and women. > > Do you know how many children fantacize about making themselves small enough to > enter anothers body and travel down their bloodstream usually in ordr to cure > them? Well this involves something along those lines in order to control > and moderate the bodily and spiritual system. > > The pope for instance and others have always traditionally recommended fasting > sugesting that whatever this projection entity is it attaches somewhere to the > liver or stomach. And eastern medicine such as acupincture will treat the > liver meridian for such systems. > > Im realy not sure what I am asking but it does seem to me that men and women > differ considerably on this issue. Not that women cant posses but they will do > it in a far different manner. > > The idea here is the ability of a man to project not only himself but some sort > of viralsubstance of himself into another. As it is said I read this somewhere > that a man is connected to his sperm for 7 years after. Meaning that a certain > psychic connection would invariably exist. A man who can eject his cytoplasm > or whatever containing his deliberate acts of mind and intention canalso find > his prey anywhere from the third eye or pituatary > gland. > > Why a man would do this is of cpourse psychotic. But the matter is he does it. > > So this is just a query as the rest is tiring and these topics debatable > enough. > > Mary Anne -- Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " -- --- Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH AIM: CaroCrow http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. " Albert Einstein A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary person learns by his or her own experience. A fool learns by nobody's experience. **************************************** Visit the community page: For administrative problems contact: -owner - All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 Norma: If your feeling is truly that this man is " out of control " when these episodes happen, there may be explanations besides the obvious ones of sexual addiction. My personal suggestion would be to get him to a good hypnotherapist who does regression and releasement work. If he is determined to let go of this behavior, hypnotherapy may be effective, whether it is a past life issue, a deepset problem from this life, or a spiritual attachment. MidwifeST wrote: > -This topic has been quite interesting and so I would like to get some options > for this gentleman I know. > > He has a wife, two kids he adores, a beautiful home and a good business to top > it all off. But he can't stop having affairs or flirting around. He is about to > loose his family because of his games and he is completely devastated. We are > close friends so we talk a lot and he insists he doesn't understand why he > does it. He says he goes out with the best intentions of behaving appropriately > and just as if he had two personalities he finds himself doing the opposite. He > says he has a big hole inside and even though his family is perfect he feels > empty. > How can I help this family? His wife who is also my friend is so sweet, she > says she forgives him because she knows he can't stop but she won't stay with > him anymore. She fears he will now go head first into his own abyss. > I wonder if there is something I could recommend to help him turn his life > around? > Any suggestions? > In Love and Light > Norma > > **************************************** -- Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " -- --- Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH AIM: CaroCrow http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. " Albert Einstein A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary person learns by his or her own experience. A fool learns by nobody's experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 Hello: I am very interested in how much the following books and other sources may relate to, and or explain the vulnerability of people involved with substance abuse, especially alcoholism. Viv* ............................................................................. ................................ > If you are interested in some different kinds of energetic obsession besides > actual possession, you might enjoy reading " Unholy Hungers " which is about > energetic vampirism, both conscious and unconscious thievery of life force from > others. > > Another source of information that may help you are the books of Carlos Casteneda > and his discussions of the belief structures of his mentor Don Juan in Mexico. > What you are discussing also sounds vaguely like the cording that is discussed in > " The Sorcerer's Crossing " . A personal technique called " recapitulation " is used > by the people training in this life way to release themselves from the energetic > cords of others. > > What you need to understand is that cording is a natural process; we normally > call this bonding, and in families and relationships it is ideally a positive and > desired experience. The problem comes when an individual uses cording to control > or steal energy from others. This can happen even in relationships that might be > considered " loving " ... or in the passionate sort of relationships that occur > between enemies and casual sexual partners. > > Autoimmune disorders are not created by invasive cords of others, but by > dysfunction in the immune system related to anger at the self or intense grief; > the body literally turns against itself, and unless the attitude changes, the > body will devour itself. > > The liver or stomach is as close a physical focus can be to the solar plexus, > where most cords originate and attach. So in a way, the instructions to fast and > focus are probably useful. Releasing those cords takes a bit of effort, and a > willingness to release them; you might be surprised how many people have > secondary gains related to their codependent relationship with a cording person. > > Mary Anne Haas wrote: > > > The possession that I speak of is not the quija board type or of some > > unaccountable anger unleashing or by a temporary intrusion of another but > > rather a very deliberate act of an individual , not thru voodoo or some > > preconceived medatation though it might involve that...a very deliberate > > methodically thought out attempt by a professional botant to control other > > human beings incl his family and students. > > > > While talking about this issue I would also like to address the fact that I > > believe there are many parents invading their childrens minds in a myriad of > > disturbing often detrimental ways and between men and women. > > > > Do you know how many children fantacize about making themselves small enough to > > enter anothers body and travel down their bloodstream usually in ordr to cure > > them? Well this involves something along those lines in order to control > > and moderate the bodily and spiritual system. > > > > The pope for instance and others have always traditionally recommended fasting > > sugesting that whatever this projection entity is it attaches somewhere to the > > liver or stomach. And eastern medicine such as acupincture will treat the > > liver meridian for such systems. > > > > Im realy not sure what I am asking but it does seem to me that men and women > > differ considerably on this issue. Not that women cant posses but they will do > > it in a far different manner. > > > > The idea here is the ability of a man to project not only himself but some sort > > of viralsubstance of himself into another. As it is said I read this somewhere > > that a man is connected to his sperm for 7 years after. Meaning that a certain > > psychic connection would invariably exist. A man who can eject his cytoplasm > > or whatever containing his deliberate acts of mind and intention canalso find > > his prey anywhere from the third eye or pituatary > > gland. > > > > Why a man would do this is of cpourse psychotic. But the matter is he does it. > > > > So this is just a query as the rest is tiring and these topics debatable > > enough. > > > > Mary Anne > > -- > Blessings, > Crow > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " > -- > --- > Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH > AIM: CaroCrow > http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance > > " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud > > " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we > created them. " Albert Einstein > > A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary person learns by > his or her own experience. A fool learns by nobody's experience. > > > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > For administrative problems contact: -owner > - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group > and the individual authors. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 > > Autoimmune disorders are not created by invasive cords of others, but by > dysfunction in the immune system related to anger at the self or intense grief; > the body literally turns against itself, and unless the attitude changes, the > body will devour itself. How much does the treatment for autoimmune disorders cover, a person's grief in the current life as compared to intense grief from a past life? Does anyone know of case histories, or treated person(s) who have been or may still be affected by, experiences during the " inquisition " ? > The liver or stomach is as close a physical focus can be to the solar plexus, > where most cords originate and attach. So in a way, the instructions to fast and > focus are probably useful. Releasing those cords takes a bit of effort, and a > willingness to release them; you might be surprised how many people have > secondary gains related to their codependent relationship with a cording person. How does one deal with a situation where fasting is not an option, as in blood- sugar conditions. Not eating at regular intervals, can " kick-off " , some serious arrhythmia's. Viv* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 Viv: You're absolutely right; just like starting a diet or exercise program, I would always advise that people use common sense and consider their basic condition before jumping into something that could be potentially damaging to life or limb. Fasting does not have to mean no intake at all; there are forms of fasting, for instance, that eliminate solid food for a period of time, or some particular food item, such as the meat fasting that traditional Catholics observe on Fridays, for instance. Any fasting should be monitored carefully, and if a person has issues with food already, it is probably not a good spiritual exercise. If you are fasting for the physical cleansing effects, then you'd need to be under the close care of a person who understands your condition. And remember that the mind feeds on carbohydrates. If you starve your mind a lot of confusion can result. Instead of fasting in some cases, I imagine that dedicating a period of time to solitude and introspection would be spiritually adequate. If that is not attainable at home, there is always the option of getting away for a retreat for a few days, totally alone in a conducive environment, such as a yoga ashram or a retreat center. If you are a religious person, ask your church leader if they can recommend a place for this. Grief is a personal process, like pain. No one can tell another person how much of it they are experiencing, or how long it will last. Sometimes it does last over lifetimes, but knowing that the cause of the grief or pain is not part of the now, there is an open invitation to release it, or at least to view it objectively. There is no need to carry all that luggage around. Time to have a karmic garage sale, cart those old issues off to the Goodwill for recycling. Treatment for grief is supportive. There is no way to take it away from a person, and you wouldn't want to do it if you could. The older and more deepset it is, the longer it may take to shake it loose, but with persistence all of the roots can be dislodged and hope planted in its place. Work over the heart center, front and back, with energy and heat. Take deep breaths, and affirm at all times " I am loving, I am loved, I am love " . There are some excellent books out on forgiveness, which I would recommend to anyone experiencing grief, because grief is all about mourning loss, and usually, we want to blame somebody for that, even God or ourselves. Exploration of the meridian therapies people have been buzzing about might also be helpful. I personally use TAT (it's almost embarassingly simple) but I am getting into EFT. I think you were talking about releasing cords... well, for some reason, many cords attach to the lower energy centers; that means, they are usually related to survival, sex, emotions and the ego in some way. Some cords come from love relationships, but they don't have anything to do with love, usually control or fear. Some ways to counteract the effects of cords are through forgiveness, visualization, unconditionality and expression, all upper chakra tasks. Any releasement should also include some of those things. Hope this helps. viv44 wrote: > How much does the treatment for autoimmune disorders cover, a person's grief > in the current life as compared to intense grief from a past life? > Does anyone know of case histories, or treated person(s) who have been or may > still be affected by, experiences during the " inquisition " ? > > > The liver or stomach is as close a physical focus can be to the solar > plexus, > > where most cords originate and attach. So in a way, the instructions to > fast and > > focus are probably useful. Releasing those cords takes a bit of effort, and > a > > willingness to release them; you might be surprised how many people have > > secondary gains related to their codependent relationship with a cording > person. > > How does one deal with a situation where fasting is not an option, as in > blood- sugar conditions. Not eating at regular intervals, can " kick-off " , > some serious arrhythmia's. > > Viv* > > **************************************** -- Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " -- --- Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH AIM: CaroCrow http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. " Albert Einstein A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary person learns by his or her own experience. A fool learns by nobody's experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2000 Report Share Posted September 18, 2000 Sorry, I'm reading this list about once a fortnight and haven't got time to go back through the thread, but I'll recommend " Psychic Self Defence " by Dion Fortune; very level headed, she was a psychotherapist as well as an occultist and the book works on both levels. hth Ged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2000 Report Share Posted September 18, 2000 Frankly I dont believe in that past life stuff although I do beleive in reincarnation. The past life stuff comes up because a present or past (in this life) situation is pretty identical, in other words as far as the inquisition goes the person would feel like a heretic and be in a bind over faith and belief. A lot of people out there incl doctors and shrinks would have us believe " there way " and when you do you suffer. Also similiar...Madama Butterfly re a japanese woman giving up everything incl being disinherited by her own family for the love of a GI who ultimatly leaves her and goes home and marries someone else. The egyptian stories I ve heard about just come from some part of the mind having been put down through an accident or abuse. etc. Mary Anne - viv44 Sunday, September 17, 2000 3:35 PM Re: Un-possessing My Groups | Main Page | Start a new group! > > Autoimmune disorders are not created by invasive cords of others, but by > dysfunction in the immune system related to anger at the self or intense grief; > the body literally turns against itself, and unless the attitude changes, the > body will devour itself. How much does the treatment for autoimmune disorders cover, a person's grief in the current life as compared to intense grief from a past life? Does anyone know of case histories, or treated person(s) who have been or may still be affected by, experiences during the " inquisition " ? > The liver or stomach is as close a physical focus can be to the solar plexus, > where most cords originate and attach. So in a way, the instructions to fast and > focus are probably useful. Releasing those cords takes a bit of effort, and a > willingness to release them; you might be surprised how many people have > secondary gains related to their codependent relationship with a cording person. How does one deal with a situation where fasting is not an option, as in blood- sugar conditions. Not eating at regular intervals, can " kick-off " , some serious arrhythmia's. Viv* **************************************** Visit the community page: For administrative problems contact: -owner - All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2000 Report Share Posted September 18, 2000 Thanks to everyone for the advice and suggestions for my friend and his lack of sexual control. I will pass these on to him and hope they will help. Another friend made a comment about things like this not happening in cultures where men were aloud to have more than one wife, any comments? In love and light Norma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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