Guest guest Posted September 11, 2000 Report Share Posted September 11, 2000 I'd really appreciate some good advice .... I'm a bodyworker, not a therapist, and have little experience of people with serious paranoia. A woman (not a friend, exactly, but someone I know) called me this morning and said she was in the local psych. hospital, and would I come and see her and bring a mobile phone. I went (minus phone) and saw her. She's been sectioned for 6 months by her husband; from her own account of the behaviour which prompted this, it sounds quite reasonable ... I've not spoken to her doctor or her husband, but I'd take a guess at paranoia - big time - and some form of psychosis. Everyone's been conspiring to get her for 20 years, and the hospital has been set up to murder her. Husband, mother and everyone she thought was a friend was in fact a conspirator. Friends tried to give her children AIDS. I'm sure you know the sort of thing. This afternoon that letting her talk about her fears/fantasies just dug her deep into her dark world, but talking about ordinary stuff in ordinary ways (chat about mutual acquaintances, places in Cornwall, my holiday in France etc etc) pulled her back to something like normality, when she would recognise that she was ill rather than a victim of a global conspiracy. She wants me to spring her from the hospital - I've said I won't. I won't attempt to rescue her, but she's having a shit time and I'll go to see her, and would like to be helpful/constructive. Any thoughts/ideas/tips about the best way to approach this? big thanks .... Arabella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 I know a little about paranoia from my own experience not so extream as the case you talk about but nevertheless I believe its basically all the same.....in that paranoia comes from ones own anger that turns on oneself....and I have found I have become susceptible to it when doing something I think I want to do but is really against my own will. I think the best way to deal with it is to let go of the anger and just turn oneself in the direction of a unified goal. Since she is there which is not a place anyone would like to be talking about reality is the best dose and somehow she will have to learn to take responsibility for her own actions and learn cause and effect without burdening hersekf with guilt and 2) to open her mind to love and decide to chose only that which means respecting her own feelings and ideas. Being that she will be forced to do things there she does not like her goal is to get out so cooperation would also be a goal and that means trying to see the good in all. Which means seeing past the innanity to the humaness of all and getting out of herself and doing what needs to be done. I suppose you could try following her converssations about why someone would want to give her whatever aids but I think you would have to turn it to find out why she would give them aids and then caution her on how that brings on fear of retaliation and so is a useless defense. Anger management takes a cool mind to be effective. She needs that kind of instruction. But doing what you are doing is just fine. As far as energy balance goes sometimes we just go in the wrong direction against ourselves thinking we are right or have to and its like the holy spirit or some force comes out and stands in front of us and it covers our mind and will stay that way till corrected and it makes anyone think the world is agaist them when in fact it is us who are against our own world. Medication for such problems is ridiculus when the mind can easily correct itself or the person be taught to allow it to. I think such people develop such attitudes incl myself because we see others doing it and think it has some power or reason when we are just being little monkeys afraid tostand appart from the crowd. Im sure that if you talked to her you would find out that it is a learned behavior pattern and a wretched incorporated philosophy that can have no outcome. Again it takes a certain humility to accept one can be wrong and to let go and go back to being inside oneself. Being off balance that way makes one even more fearful and vulnerable. If she has a portable CD player I would recommend the vulcanschild vibrationals which I just bought and are so very effective in tuning the entire aura and meridian system . It really puts everything back in place. Other than that deep breathing would help and your presense is of help in that it is non threatening and non judgemental. The fact that she wants you to do all these things for her is a sign that she has been under a grest deal of stress and is tired and worn out and way above herself having been pushed fora long time to do and besr things she cannot tolerate. It will take a while for that to subside and then a long process of learning how to chose her own self and find new ways from inside herself and with proper information she will have to seek out to learn to solve problems. Id just lean her towards the idea of spirit and meditiation and chosing a life she she wants little by little. Its very nice what you are doing. And standing your ground is correct. Mary Anne - Arabella McIntyre-Brown Sunday, September 10, 2000 6:22 PM paranoia My Groups | Main Page | Start a new group! I'd really appreciate some good advice .... I'm a bodyworker, not a therapist, and have little experience of people with serious paranoia. A woman (not a friend, exactly, but someone I know) called me this morning and said she was in the local psych. hospital, and would I come and see her and bring a mobile phone. I went (minus phone) and saw her. She's been sectioned for 6 months by her husband; from her own account of the behaviour which prompted this, it sounds quite reasonable ... I've not spoken to her doctor or her husband, but I'd take a guess at paranoia - big time - and some form of psychosis. Everyone's been conspiring to get her for 20 years, and the hospital has been set up to murder her. Husband, mother and everyone she thought was a friend was in fact a conspirator. Friends tried to give her children AIDS. I'm sure you know the sort of thing. This afternoon that letting her talk about her fears/fantasies just dug her deep into her dark world, but talking about ordinary stuff in ordinary ways (chat about mutual acquaintances, places in Cornwall, my holiday in France etc etc) pulled her back to something like normality, when she would recognise that she was ill rather than a victim of a global conspiracy. She wants me to spring her from the hospital - I've said I won't. I won't attempt to rescue her, but she's having a shit time and I'll go to see her, and would like to be helpful/constructive. Any thoughts/ideas/tips about the best way to approach this? big thanks .... Arabella **************************************** Visit the community page: For administrative problems contact: -owner - All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 Dear Arabella, As a former mental health worker (10 yrs), B.S. in Rehab services, and Reiki Master I would ask you to tread slowly and carefully. The first most important thing for you to remember is ALWAYS.,ALWAYS shield yourself with white light from the heavens to a strong, impenetrable shield that surrounds your body from head to toes, round and round and KNOW, KNOW that nothing but good light, highest vibration and your highest teachers {Spirit and past loved one] can entering into your force field. DO THIS BEFORE WALKING ON THE GROUNDS OF THE MENTAL HOSPITAL. Thought for you to think on, making individuals labeled as 'psychotic' are not, they are real people experiencing Spirit without the knowledge that their loved ones are on the other side to help them. This is not the time to teach that individual about Spirit helpers. On the outside, off hospital grounds can be a site. Know also that the workers and unfortunately many of the psychologists when they hear from a patient that they are seeing Spirit or something they just can't explain or understand, the staff Will LaBell THE PATIENT AS PSYCHOTIC, which will in the 'trained' personnel's mind see or justify an increase or decrease in their medication. How can you work with that hostility? That thinking? It is hard. What I found works well initially with a patient that is psychotic or comes into the hospital being told they are psychotic and are " are at risk to themselves or others " which is they only way a person can now be legally help in a mental hospital, is a meat-physical stone called chrisycolla. You can help the patient by taking off any rings especially if amheyst, stating you are going to have the jewe;ry locked, recorded or added to their clothing list and be free of the patient. So now, you will have a person working with the patient who is free of their vibrations and with sealed energy and a patient who is calming down. I have found that even when a patient comes in with a 5 point restraint, when you take off their jewelry and give them this stone or a piece of black tourmaline, that with an hour's time they will start to calm down. They will start to hear what you are talking about, you will be able to try to make some sense of what they are saying, really stating and participate in an active listen session. Your voice needs to be moderated down -speaking clearly and slowing. Within 12 hours that patient who came into the ward in restraints, will not no longer need them. It is important, if possible, for your shift that you cane continuing talking, and do active listening with the patient. The mental health works or nurse managers will be more willing to listen to/hear the process the patient is making. You must share your philosphy with the next shift who is going to be working with the patient. This is not a easly process, BUT IT WORKS. aFTER trust becomes real you need to see what is the patient's reality. Can you develop a baseline? Don't try to do to much too soon. Listen and learn. Ask for the patient's permiossion for you to be able to read her chart. Ask the patient to define your role. Depending in what route you chooae, look at all sides before you do any. Is this person really for home? Note how comfortable you are around them? Do you feel more invention neds to be there? How do you feel about it? Participate in a group team meeting. Have the group members tell wehether they thing additional intervention should be approate. I would be glad to share more. For you are the worker for the family it is VERY IMPORTANT that you are not just flying by the seat of your pants and have you been enrolled-in some cynicald situation. I hope this helps. Best Wishes - In light and Love - Sandy Mathieson, Spoiritwalker@palermo,org Original Message----- Arabella McIntyre-Brown <abs Sunday, September 10, 2000 7:35 PM paranoia > >I'd really appreciate some good advice .... > >I'm a bodyworker, not a therapist, and have little experience of people >with serious paranoia. A woman (not a friend, exactly, but someone I >know) called me this morning and said she was in the local psych. >hospital, and would I come and see her and bring a mobile phone. > >I went (minus phone) and saw her. She's been sectioned for 6 months by >her husband; from her own account of the behaviour which prompted this, >it sounds quite reasonable ... I've not spoken to her doctor or her >husband, but I'd take a guess at paranoia - big time - and some form of >psychosis. Everyone's been conspiring to get her for 20 years, and the >hospital has been set up to murder her. Husband, mother and everyone she >thought was a friend was in fact a conspirator. Friends tried to give >her children AIDS. I'm sure you know the sort of thing. > >This afternoon that letting her talk about her fears/fantasies just dug >her deep into her dark world, but talking about ordinary stuff in >ordinary ways (chat about mutual acquaintances, places in Cornwall, my >holiday in France etc etc) pulled her back to something like normality, >when she would recognise that she was ill rather than a victim of a >global conspiracy. > >She wants me to spring her from the hospital - I've said I won't. I >won't attempt to rescue her, but she's having a shit time and I'll go to >see her, and would like to be helpful/constructive. > >Any thoughts/ideas/tips about the best way to approach this? > >big thanks .... > >Arabella > > > > > >**************************************** >Visit the community page: >For administrative problems contact: -owner > - > >All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group >and the individual authors. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 Susette - what you describe rings bells about MY mother! Who has suppressed anger very well, and has had psoriasis for decades, and now has osteoporisis and other ailments . Strangely enough she seems to be getting very irritable with me recently, since moving 250 miles to be closer to me. Perhaps she's ready for a change - she's been very dependent and emotionally clingy. (shudder) My sectioned chum, on the other hand, is in her mid-40s, with no obvious physical symptoms, other than smoking v. heavily and losing LOTS of weight. I should stress that I'm not her therapist, nor could be - I'm a bodyworker, not a mind worker! I'm really just looking for clues, because I don't know how paranoia/psychosis works, where it comes from, or what the prognosis is. There doesn't seem to be much on the net (that I can find, anyway) to help, either. If anything, I can point her husband in some helpful directions, and know how best to approach Di when I go to visit her in hospital. Thanks for your support, everyone - this is a great list! Arabella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 Dear Arabella, It seems that your friend's brow chakra has opened prematurely, and your friend is in need of grounding. That is what talking about " ordinary " stuff is doing, grounding her and balancing what is happening in her mental body. Hope that helps, Jeri Jo , Arabella McIntyre-Brown <abs@a...> wrote: > I'd really appreciate some good advice .... > > I'm a bodyworker, not a therapist, and have little experience of people > with serious paranoia. A woman (not a friend, exactly, but someone I > know) called me this morning and said she was in the local psych. > hospital, and would I come and see her and bring a mobile phone. > > I went (minus phone) and saw her. She's been sectioned for 6 months by > her husband; from her own account of the behaviour which prompted this, > it sounds quite reasonable ... I've not spoken to her doctor or her > husband, but I'd take a guess at paranoia - big time - and some form of > psychosis. Everyone's been conspiring to get her for 20 years, and the > hospital has been set up to murder her. Husband, mother and everyone she > thought was a friend was in fact a conspirator. Friends tried to give > her children AIDS. I'm sure you know the sort of thing. > > This afternoon that letting her talk about her fears/fantasies just dug > her deep into her dark world, but talking about ordinary stuff in > ordinary ways (chat about mutual acquaintances, places in Cornwall, my > holiday in France etc etc) pulled her back to something like normality, > when she would recognise that she was ill rather than a victim of a > global conspiracy. > > She wants me to spring her from the hospital - I've said I won't. I > won't attempt to rescue her, but she's having a shit time and I'll go to > see her, and would like to be helpful/constructive. > > Any thoughts/ideas/tips about the best way to approach this? > > big thanks .... > > Arabella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.