Guest guest Posted March 19, 2000 Report Share Posted March 19, 2000 Hi Kim, if you can work part-time, often tuition is not due all at once. when i was in massage school, there was a point, rather early on, where we could charge modest fees for our work, if we did not use it as log-work, and were clear with the client that we were not done with training. The school was part-time, and most of us either worked full-time, or part-time. you have a great start already being a massage therapist!! can you tell me more about Hellerwork? Is it like Rolfing? Lee ---------- >Jennifer Radcliffe <bellatrix13 > >Re: Digest Number 220 >Sun, Mar 19, 2000, 9:48 AM > > Jennifer Radcliffe <bellatrix13 > > Hi Kim, > I wish I knew of some way outside the system that > would sponsor your education, but I trust that you'll > find a way. (When there's a will,...) If you have > decent credit, maybe you could apply for a loan > somewhere, perhaps with a credit union or a bank that > you deal with. Anyway, working out the details is the > easy part, it's finding what you really want to do > that is tough! Sounds like you've got that part down, > so just keep focused on that and anything will be > possible for you. Best of luck to you! > BTW, what is Hellerwork? > > Love, Jen > > > --- kim <berlee wrote: >> > >> > Re: when i grow up... >> > >> > Hi Kim. Wow! That's some dynamite life experience >> you've >> > got there, even if it doesn't put you in line for >> a CEO position. >> > Also, your writing skills are obviously superior. >> How one >> > survives in the ol' academic subculture is kind of >> one of those >> > best-kept secrets. Once you get in the system (on >> the campus) >> > the possibilities surface like magic. Colleges and >> universities >> > are part of the bureaucracy so they don't like the >> work of new >> > people coming into the system, but once you get >> there, they >> > want to keep you ( especially if you're a good >> student) so the >> > $$ opportunities kinda pop up. There are also some >> back-door >> > possibilities--employment situations that spring >> for the costs, >> > etc. One of the reasons college grads seem smart >> is not so >> > much what they learn there, but it selects for >> those smart >> > 'nuff to figger out the system. It's very do-able >> for you, Kim! >> > >> > Carl >> > ````````````````````````````````````````````````` >> > At 02:04 AM 3/18/00 -0800, kim wrote: >> > >kim <berlee >> > > >> > >i can't remember who the swan was, but it makes >> me feel better about >> > >having wanted very badly to be a giraffe. so as >> an " adult " , i ended up >> > >dropping out of beauty school, teaching preschool >> in a daycare setting >> > >for 2.5 yrs, apprenticing in a florist shop for a >> while, doing homecare >> > >with elderly, developmentally disabled, mentally >> ill, and people with >> > >AIDS for 2.5 years, nannying for a couple years, >> working in a candy >> > >store for a short while, working for an internet >> company that filtered >> > >porn and other inappropriate for children off the >> internet for places >> > >like schools and libraries (which was probably >> the most awful job i ever >> > >had, reviewing about 400 sites a day looking for >> yucky things), and i am >> > >now a massage therapist, hoping to be a >> hellerworker and/or someday have >> > >a psychology degree from someplace like bastyr. >> *deep breath after huge >> > >horrendous run-on sentence* >> > > >> > >the last part of that, the part about my future >> wishes, brings me to my >> > >next inquiry. i am curious to know how everyone >> managed to pull off the >> > >huge financial obstacles of education. this is >> repeatedly my biggest >> > >problem, being single and self-employed, with a >> background of very >> > >extremely low paying job experience. i'm >> especially curious about how >> > >people have gotten themselves through programs of >> education that >> > >mainstream resources still don't see fit to >> assist financially with. >> > >hellerwork training especially is very rigorous >> financially, having a >> > >really high tuition and requiring students to be >> away from home and work >> > >3 times during just over a year, for 3 weeks each >> time, and also 3 times >> > >at 9 days. i know there are ways to pull things >> like this off, 'cause >> > >people do it, i just am having trouble figuring >> out how. thank you all >> > >in advance for your insights! >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >>------ >> > >MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! >> > >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! 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Colleges and >> universities >> > are part of the bureaucracy so they don't like the >> work of new >> > people coming into the system, but once you get >> there, they >> > want to keep you ( especially if you're a good >> student) so the >> > $$ opportunities kinda pop up. There are also some >> back-door >> > possibilities--employment situations that spring >> for the costs, >> > etc. One of the reasons college grads seem smart >> is not so >> > much what they learn there, but it selects for >> those smart >> > 'nuff to figger out the system. It's very do-able >> for you, Kim! >> > >> > Carl >> >> wow! thank you for your encouraging words! i must >> admit i burst out laughing at the bit >> about my writing as i always feel incredibly >> impaired in that dept. if anyone has ideas on >> dealing with financial obstacles from non-college >> programs, it would be much appreciated. >> unfortunately the obstacle with regular college is >> less financial (pretty easy to get >> student loans, even for massage school that wasn't a >> problem) and more about getting in >> when my high school GPA was about 1.6. however, i am >> MUCH more interested in something >> such as hellerwork (ok, borderline obsessed with >> hellerwork), and student loans and such >> don't apply to things like that. leave it to me to >> be bent on doing something outside the >> " system " . *smile* i hope this hasnt been too off >> topic for the list. i just thought >> considering the area i want to study, and the >> plethura of wonderful and experienced people >> here that are further down this type of path than i >> am, it might be a good resource for >> ideas of this sort. i know everyone here has a >> colorful history that has gotten them where >> they are now and would just like to kinda absorb a >> little bit of that knowledge and hope >> so that i have even more to give back to the >> universe. this can be such a great medium for >> spreading the energy around! thanks guys! >> >> ~kimberlee >> >> > > > > Talk to your friends online with Messenger. > http://im. > > ------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! 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Guest guest Posted March 19, 2000 Report Share Posted March 19, 2000 > > Re: when i grow up... > > Hi Kim. Wow! That's some dynamite life experience you've > got there, even if it doesn't put you in line for a CEO position. > Also, your writing skills are obviously superior. How one > survives in the ol' academic subculture is kind of one of those > best-kept secrets. Once you get in the system (on the campus) > the possibilities surface like magic. Colleges and universities > are part of the bureaucracy so they don't like the work of new > people coming into the system, but once you get there, they > want to keep you ( especially if you're a good student) so the > $$ opportunities kinda pop up. There are also some back-door > possibilities--employment situations that spring for the costs, > etc. One of the reasons college grads seem smart is not so > much what they learn there, but it selects for those smart > 'nuff to figger out the system. It's very do-able for you, Kim! > > Carl > ````````````````````````````````````````````````` > At 02:04 AM 3/18/00 -0800, kim wrote: > >kim <berlee > > > >i can't remember who the swan was, but it makes me feel better about > >having wanted very badly to be a giraffe. so as an " adult " , i ended up > >dropping out of beauty school, teaching preschool in a daycare setting > >for 2.5 yrs, apprenticing in a florist shop for a while, doing homecare > >with elderly, developmentally disabled, mentally ill, and people with > >AIDS for 2.5 years, nannying for a couple years, working in a candy > >store for a short while, working for an internet company that filtered > >porn and other inappropriate for children off the internet for places > >like schools and libraries (which was probably the most awful job i ever > >had, reviewing about 400 sites a day looking for yucky things), and i am > >now a massage therapist, hoping to be a hellerworker and/or someday have > >a psychology degree from someplace like bastyr. *deep breath after huge > >horrendous run-on sentence* > > > >the last part of that, the part about my future wishes, brings me to my > >next inquiry. i am curious to know how everyone managed to pull off the > >huge financial obstacles of education. this is repeatedly my biggest > >problem, being single and self-employed, with a background of very > >extremely low paying job experience. i'm especially curious about how > >people have gotten themselves through programs of education that > >mainstream resources still don't see fit to assist financially with. > >hellerwork training especially is very rigorous financially, having a > >really high tuition and requiring students to be away from home and work > >3 times during just over a year, for 3 weeks each time, and also 3 times > >at 9 days. i know there are ways to pull things like this off, 'cause > >people do it, i just am having trouble figuring out how. thank you all > >in advance for your insights! > > > > > > > > > >------ > >MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > >Apply NOW! > >http://click./1/2122/3/_/148494/_/953374173/ > >------ > > > >**************************************** > >Visit the community page at > >To from , send an email to > >- > > > > http://askcarl.net > > _____________________________ > _____________________________ > > Message: 3 > Sat, 18 Mar 2000 04:15:25 -1000 > Carl Weisbrod <askcarl > Re: when i grow up... > > Hi Kim. Wow! That's some dynamite life experience you've > got there, even if it doesn't put you in line for a CEO position. > Also, your writing skills are obviously superior. How one > survives in the ol' academic subculture is kind of one of those > best-kept secrets. Once you get in the system (on the campus) > the possibilities surface like magic. Colleges and universities > are part of the bureaucracy so they don't like the work of new > people coming into the system, but once you get there, they > want to keep you ( especially if you're a good student) so the > $$ opportunities kinda pop up. There are also some back-door > possibilities--employment situations that spring for the costs, > etc. One of the reasons college grads seem smart is not so > much what they learn there, but it selects for those smart > 'nuff to figger out the system. It's very do-able for you, Kim! > > Carl wow! thank you for your encouraging words! i must admit i burst out laughing at the bit about my writing as i always feel incredibly impaired in that dept. if anyone has ideas on dealing with financial obstacles from non-college programs, it would be much appreciated. unfortunately the obstacle with regular college is less financial (pretty easy to get student loans, even for massage school that wasn't a problem) and more about getting in when my high school GPA was about 1.6. however, i am MUCH more interested in something such as hellerwork (ok, borderline obsessed with hellerwork), and student loans and such don't apply to things like that. leave it to me to be bent on doing something outside the " system " . *smile* i hope this hasnt been too off topic for the list. i just thought considering the area i want to study, and the plethura of wonderful and experienced people here that are further down this type of path than i am, it might be a good resource for ideas of this sort. i know everyone here has a colorful history that has gotten them where they are now and would just like to kinda absorb a little bit of that knowledge and hope so that i have even more to give back to the universe. this can be such a great medium for spreading the energy around! thanks guys! ~kimberlee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2000 Report Share Posted March 19, 2000 Getting in college is no problem at all unless you wanna go to Harvard--that might be a problem with a 1.6gpa. But you need to keep in mind ...they don't like this characterization, but to colleges, students are customers--they're hungry for your tuition money. Colleges are run by the administration dept, not by the professors. You can always start with a junior college. To me, good writing, Kim, means the ability to transmit the images in your mind using words. If the reader sees the images of what you're expressing, that's pretty good writing. I think guys, Like Steven King, have that constantly in their mind... " what am I visualizing and how do I get the reader to visualize the same thing. " I don't post to these lists very often...am I doing it correctly? I noticed that my last message came up twice. Are there some guidelines I should be following? Carl At 04:26 AM 3/19/00 -0800, kim wrote: >kim <berlee > > > > > Re: when i grow up... > >wow! thank you for your encouraging words! i must admit i burst out >laughing at the bit >about my writing as i always feel incredibly impaired in that dept. if >anyone has ideas on >dealing with financial obstacles from non-college programs, it would be >much appreciated. >unfortunately the obstacle with regular college is less financial (pretty >easy to get >student loans, even for massage school that wasn't a problem) and more >about getting in >when my high school GPA was about 1.6. however, i am MUCH more interested >in something >such as hellerwork (ok, borderline obsessed with hellerwork), and student >loans and such >don't apply to things like that. leave it to me to be bent on doing >something outside the > " system " . *smile* i hope this hasnt been too off topic for the list. i >just thought >considering the area i want to study, and the plethura of wonderful and >experienced people >here that are further down this type of path than i am, it might be a good >resource for >ideas of this sort. i know everyone here has a colorful history that has >gotten them where >they are now and would just like to kinda absorb a little bit of that >knowledge and hope >so that i have even more to give back to the universe. this can be such a >great medium for >spreading the energy around! thanks guys! > >~kimberlee http://askcarl.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2000 Report Share Posted March 19, 2000 Hi Kim, I wish I knew of some way outside the system that would sponsor your education, but I trust that you'll find a way. (When there's a will,...) If you have decent credit, maybe you could apply for a loan somewhere, perhaps with a credit union or a bank that you deal with. Anyway, working out the details is the easy part, it's finding what you really want to do that is tough! Sounds like you've got that part down, so just keep focused on that and anything will be possible for you. Best of luck to you! BTW, what is Hellerwork? Love, Jen --- kim <berlee wrote: > > > > Re: when i grow up... > > > > Hi Kim. Wow! That's some dynamite life experience > you've > > got there, even if it doesn't put you in line for > a CEO position. > > Also, your writing skills are obviously superior. > How one > > survives in the ol' academic subculture is kind of > one of those > > best-kept secrets. Once you get in the system (on > the campus) > > the possibilities surface like magic. Colleges and > universities > > are part of the bureaucracy so they don't like the > work of new > > people coming into the system, but once you get > there, they > > want to keep you ( especially if you're a good > student) so the > > $$ opportunities kinda pop up. There are also some > back-door > > possibilities--employment situations that spring > for the costs, > > etc. One of the reasons college grads seem smart > is not so > > much what they learn there, but it selects for > those smart > > 'nuff to figger out the system. It's very do-able > for you, Kim! > > > > Carl > > ````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > At 02:04 AM 3/18/00 -0800, kim wrote: > > >kim <berlee > > > > > >i can't remember who the swan was, but it makes > me feel better about > > >having wanted very badly to be a giraffe. so as > an " adult " , i ended up > > >dropping out of beauty school, teaching preschool > in a daycare setting > > >for 2.5 yrs, apprenticing in a florist shop for a > while, doing homecare > > >with elderly, developmentally disabled, mentally > ill, and people with > > >AIDS for 2.5 years, nannying for a couple years, > working in a candy > > >store for a short while, working for an internet > company that filtered > > >porn and other inappropriate for children off the > internet for places > > >like schools and libraries (which was probably > the most awful job i ever > > >had, reviewing about 400 sites a day looking for > yucky things), and i am > > >now a massage therapist, hoping to be a > hellerworker and/or someday have > > >a psychology degree from someplace like bastyr. > *deep breath after huge > > >horrendous run-on sentence* > > > > > >the last part of that, the part about my future > wishes, brings me to my > > >next inquiry. i am curious to know how everyone > managed to pull off the > > >huge financial obstacles of education. this is > repeatedly my biggest > > >problem, being single and self-employed, with a > background of very > > >extremely low paying job experience. i'm > especially curious about how > > >people have gotten themselves through programs of > education that > > >mainstream resources still don't see fit to > assist financially with. > > >hellerwork training especially is very rigorous > financially, having a > > >really high tuition and requiring students to be > away from home and work > > >3 times during just over a year, for 3 weeks each > time, and also 3 times > > >at 9 days. i know there are ways to pull things > like this off, 'cause > > >people do it, i just am having trouble figuring > out how. thank you all > > >in advance for your insights! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > > >MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > > >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as > low as > > >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > > >Apply NOW! > > > >http://click./1/2122/3/_/148494/_/953374173/ > > > >------ > > > > > >**************************************** > > >Visit the community page at > > > >To from , send an email to > > >- > > > > > > > http://askcarl.net > > > > > _____________________________ > > > _____________________________ > > > > Message: 3 > > Sat, 18 Mar 2000 04:15:25 -1000 > > Carl Weisbrod <askcarl > > Re: when i grow up... > > > > Hi Kim. Wow! That's some dynamite life experience > you've > > got there, even if it doesn't put you in line for > a CEO position. > > Also, your writing skills are obviously superior. > How one > > survives in the ol' academic subculture is kind of > one of those > > best-kept secrets. Once you get in the system (on > the campus) > > the possibilities surface like magic. Colleges and > universities > > are part of the bureaucracy so they don't like the > work of new > > people coming into the system, but once you get > there, they > > want to keep you ( especially if you're a good > student) so the > > $$ opportunities kinda pop up. There are also some > back-door > > possibilities--employment situations that spring > for the costs, > > etc. One of the reasons college grads seem smart > is not so > > much what they learn there, but it selects for > those smart > > 'nuff to figger out the system. It's very do-able > for you, Kim! > > > > Carl > > wow! thank you for your encouraging words! i must > admit i burst out laughing at the bit > about my writing as i always feel incredibly > impaired in that dept. if anyone has ideas on > dealing with financial obstacles from non-college > programs, it would be much appreciated. > unfortunately the obstacle with regular college is > less financial (pretty easy to get > student loans, even for massage school that wasn't a > problem) and more about getting in > when my high school GPA was about 1.6. however, i am > MUCH more interested in something > such as hellerwork (ok, borderline obsessed with > hellerwork), and student loans and such > don't apply to things like that. leave it to me to > be bent on doing something outside the > " system " . *smile* i hope this hasnt been too off > topic for the list. i just thought > considering the area i want to study, and the > plethura of wonderful and experienced people > here that are further down this type of path than i > am, it might be a good resource for > ideas of this sort. i know everyone here has a > colorful history that has gotten them where > they are now and would just like to kinda absorb a > little bit of that knowledge and hope > so that i have even more to give back to the > universe. this can be such a great medium for > spreading the energy around! thanks guys! > > ~kimberlee > > Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://im. 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