Guest guest Posted February 16, 2000 Report Share Posted February 16, 2000 Hello to all, I have been a long time closet lurker which has appreciated being able to periodically read threads of interest to me. I have something that I would like to throw out to the list that I have been noticing within my own practice and was wondering if anybody out there has similiar experiences. One thing that I have noticed lately is that I have a tendency to massage the left and right side of my clients differently (not sure how to describe the difference just know from a felt sense that I do). I also have a client that I start working on her right leg (while prone) and then am pulled to " ignore " or " overlook " her left leg and start on her back right away. Has anyone else had this type of experience? I have done some reading on left/right splits, masculine vs. feminine sides and have a personal belief system that there needs to be a balance between the two but to actually experience what I have read is fascinating. I guess just reaching out to validate my experience somehow. THanks. Kim Boyes - Tzu Touch Massage Therapy and Somatic Practice " We are Spiritual Beings Having Human Experiences " spiritz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2000 Report Share Posted February 16, 2000 Spirit speaks in mysterious ways.... Just last week I had a client who was definitely unbalanced left v. right (I do Healing Touch energy work). In trying to describe what I was feeling to her, I started getting confused by the many different things that I've read and heard.... Left = feminine energy Right = masculine energy Left = receiving energy Right = giving energy I equate giving with feminine energy and recieving as a masculine energy thus, the confusion. Can someone clarify this for me? spiritz wrote: > spiritz > > Hello to all, > I have been a long time closet lurker which has appreciated being able to > periodically read threads of interest to me. I have something that I > would like to throw out to the list that I have been noticing within my > own practice and was wondering if anybody out there has similiar > experiences. One thing that I have noticed lately is that I have a > tendency to massage the left and right side of my clients differently (not > sure how to describe the difference just know from a felt sense that I > do). I also have a client that I start working on her right leg (while > prone) and then am pulled to " ignore " or " overlook " her left leg and start > on her back right away. Has anyone else had this type of experience? I > have done some reading on left/right splits, masculine vs. feminine sides > and have a personal belief system that there needs to be a balance between > the two but to actually experience what I have read is fascinating. I > guess just reaching out to validate my experience somehow. THanks. > > Kim Boyes - Tzu Touch Massage Therapy and Somatic Practice > " We are Spiritual Beings Having Human Experiences " > spiritz > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > credit you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative2 " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > > **************************************** > To from , send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2000 Report Share Posted February 17, 2000 Deborah: This is a lot easier than you might imagine. If you stop seeing the sides as woman and man, instead seeing them as yin and yang, this may be helpful to you. Look at yin as " feminine " or receptive energy. The female is the sexual receptacle, the mortar, the yoni. Look at yang as the " masculine " or assertive energy. The male is the sexual provider, the pestle, the lingam. Receiving does not equal taking, and giving does not equal generosity, in this case. As to sides, left side of the body is controlled primarily by the right brain, the creative, artistic portion, while the right side of the body is controlled primarily by the left brain, the more analytical portion. If you deal with stroke patients, you can tell which side of the brain was affected by which side of the person is affected by weakness, drooping, or paralysis (as well as cognitive signals such as communication and memory). In the yin-yang symbol, each energy contains an " eye " of the other for balance. I see the idea of females as giving and males as taking is a generality of the sort I like to avoid. It is the balance of receptivity and assertiveness that is imbalanced in many individuals of either sex. Perhaps we should be thinking more of maturity than sex; for instance, a young boy may be more giving in nature than an adult woman. Does this make him less masculine, or her less feminine? Our hormones are only one source of our social and ethical behavior; a lot has to do with socialization and environment. But that " nature v. nurture " argument can wait until another time... I hope that clarifies left and right for you :-) Deborah Cox wrote: > > Just last week I had a client who was definitely unbalanced left v. right (I > do Healing > Touch energy work). In trying to describe what I was feeling to her, I > started getting > confused by the many different things that I've read and heard.... > Left = feminine energy Right = masculine energy > Left = receiving energy Right = giving energy > > I equate giving with feminine energy and recieving as a masculine energy > thus, the > confusion. Can someone clarify this for me? > -- Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " -- Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH " When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. " -- Jonathan Swift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2000 Report Share Posted February 17, 2000 Thanks, Caroline for replying so fast. So if this client continues to distort the energy so she is deficient on the left, that would mean she's not being receptive to the universe? Caroline Abreu wrote: > Caroline Abreu <crow > > Deborah: > > This is a lot easier than you might imagine. If you stop seeing the > sides as woman and man, instead seeing them as yin and yang, this may > be helpful to you. Look at yin as " feminine " or receptive energy. The > female is the sexual receptacle, the mortar, the yoni. Look at yang as > the " masculine " or assertive energy. The male is the sexual provider, > the pestle, the lingam. Receiving does not equal taking, and giving > does not equal generosity, in this case. > > As to sides, left side of the body is controlled primarily by the > right brain, the creative, artistic portion, while the right side of > the body is controlled primarily by the left brain, the more > analytical portion. If you deal with stroke patients, you can tell > which side of the brain was affected by which side of the person is > affected by weakness, drooping, or paralysis (as well as cognitive > signals such as communication and memory). > > In the yin-yang symbol, each energy contains an " eye " of the other for > balance. I see the idea of females as giving and males as taking is a > generality of the sort I like to avoid. It is the balance of > receptivity and assertiveness that is imbalanced in many individuals > of either sex. Perhaps we should be thinking more of maturity than > sex; for instance, a young boy may be more giving in nature than an > adult woman. Does this make him less masculine, or her less feminine? > Our hormones are only one source of our social and ethical behavior; a > lot has to do with socialization and environment. But that " nature v. > nurture " argument can wait until another time... > > I hope that clarifies left and right for you :-) > > Deborah Cox wrote: > > > > Just last week I had a client who was definitely unbalanced left v. right (I > > do Healing > > Touch energy work). In trying to describe what I was feeling to her, I > > started getting > > confused by the many different things that I've read and heard.... > > Left = feminine energy Right = masculine energy > > Left = receiving energy Right = giving energy > > > > I equate giving with feminine energy and recieving as a masculine energy > > thus, the > > confusion. Can someone clarify this for me? > > > -- > Blessings, > Crow > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " > -- > Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH > > " When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this > sign, > that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. " > -- Jonathan Swift > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get your money connected at OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > you see, consolidate, and manage all of your finances all in one place. > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/Onmoney " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > > **************************************** > To from , send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2000 Report Share Posted February 17, 2000 Yup still here, just too busy to put as much time into email as I used to. Deborah wrote: >Left = feminine energy Right = masculine energy >Left = receiving energy Right = giving energy >I equate giving with feminine energy and recieving as a masculine energy thus, the >confusion. Can someone clarify this for me? Both genders give, it may be down to ability to receive. Simple thought experiment - imagine someone hurt and upset, on the point of tears. Now imagine giving them a hug (a) if they're a woman. (b) if they're a man. People who've done a lot of self-development don't count It occurs to me also that it's possible that we're dealing with people who *must* have perfection in themselves, who cannot deal with 'second best', and we're biased toward one side of the body (most of us the right) which would leave such people quietly despising the 'second best' left hand side which I think history does bear out - didn't left handers used to be seen as 'sub-standard'? (what a bloody strange species this is sometimes...) Ged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2000 Report Share Posted February 18, 2000 > Deborah wrote: > >Left = feminine energy Right = masculine energy > >Left = receiving energy Right = giving energy > > >I equate giving with feminine energy and recieving as a masculine > energy thus, the > >confusion. Can someone clarify this for me? Hi there, just wanted to add a few thoughts about this right/stuff. I couldn't get this thing of right/left, femenine/masculine, Yin/yang, or i should rather say that i could, but it wasn't *it*. It was too simplistic. Like action/inertia and period. Then 2 years ago i studied the Tarot with some friends. There i was told that there was a structure behind it that goes like this (i won't be using exact terminology because i don't remember it, just my own actual concepts. Sorry): The basic concept is on the 1-2-3 triad. 1 . The masculine force/energy. Outgoing. Centrifuge. " Naturing Nature " 2 . The femenine correspondence of the 1. Receiving. " Natured Nature " . (As the " 1 " exists, or rather, in order to be able to exist, it needs to project itself on something else. If that does not happen there is no projection, so there is no " 1 " . So " 1 " can not exist without " 2 " . Nor " 2 " without " 1 " (What would it be " receiving " ?)) 3 . The outcome of the " 1 " and " 2 " interaction. This goes on and on as this same structure aplies to the whole triad, so that the 4-5-6 is like the " 2 " ( " reflection " ) of the 1-2-3, and the result of both interacting is the 7, which serves as a new beginning for the 7-8-9 (which is like a " second version " of the first triad, on a diferent level), which has its " counterpart " in the 10-11-12, and both then " do " the 13, and so on... My apologies if this is not that clear, but for the matter of this discussion, the important point here is that the triad, the 1-2-3 with its structure, is an archetype that is to be found everywhere. So, this is the Father-Son-and Holy Spirit (as well as all(?) other triads to be found in most religions), as well as, in a less abstract figure, most day to day interactions, and very illustrative, the Father-Mother-Child. And that's when i came to this interesant observation. I always had considered the " Yin " / " Femenine " / " Left " /Whatever has PASIVE. More and less like inert. Now, if you look at this everyday manifestation of this " pasive " thingie in the mothers, you can see that this " pasivenes " is not quite like that. Sure mothers are " pasive " in that they get inseminated (by an " active " agent), sure they " receive " , but, (here's the point) how passive is it to build a whole new being's body into your own??????? That si pretty much activity, effort, work, will, and etc... and all these concepts i was but seeing as " yang/masculine/active " ... So, a bit of reflection on this helps get a broader, less simplistic conception about this thing of left/right. You can then understand better what this " femenine " (or " masculine " ) energy is about. " Passive Femenine Receptive " isn't at all about being sitted there like a teapot on a shelf. (That was pretty much my original concept, and it was hard to make it work at all...). That energy flows, just like the other, works and acts; though with a diferent " character " and " capability " . It is more able to " listen " , " receive " , " elaborate inside " , " asimilate " , etc... that is all **ACTION**, though, that's it, this action is more oriented *toward* the inside, rather than the outside. But it *is* action. Wellll. That's it. Please take in account that all this was just about " how to not misconcept the Yin " ;-) There is much more to consider, as Caroline and others have been explaining. I hope this have been of some help and interest to you Deborah, and others. I'd be happy to be corrected or better oriented in these very interesant subjects, if anyone may, please. (Someone must have something to say about this Father-Mother-Child example! ;-) Have a nice day everybody. (Nice to see some activity on the list, though i must say the rest was good also Alain Gougeon La Paz, Bolivia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2000 Report Share Posted March 20, 2000 Deborah: I don't think I ever responded to your post :-( Sorry! That might be a good assessment; another possibility is a resistance to other feminine or receptive gifts or tendencies. It could be as simple as a reluctance to appear " weak " or " dependent " . She might work with self-esteem and nurturance, and the concept that receiving does not indicate she cannot " take care " of herself. Deborah Cox wrote: > > Deborah Cox <debicox > > Thanks, Caroline for replying so fast. So if this client continues to > distort the energy > so she is deficient on the left, that would mean she's not being receptive to the universe? > > Caroline Abreu wrote: > > > > > This is a lot easier than you might imagine. If you stop seeing the > > sides as woman and man, instead seeing them as yin and yang, this may > > be helpful to you. Look at yin as " feminine " or receptive energy. The > > female is the sexual receptacle, the mortar, the yoni. Look at yang as > > the " masculine " or assertive energy. The male is the sexual provider, > > the pestle, the lingam. Receiving does not equal taking, and giving > > does not equal generosity, in this case. > > > > As to sides, left side of the body is controlled primarily by the > > right brain, the creative, artistic portion, while the right side of > > the body is controlled primarily by the left brain, the more > > analytical portion. If you deal with stroke patients, you can tell > > which side of the brain was affected by which side of the person is > > affected by weakness, drooping, or paralysis (as well as cognitive > > signals such as communication and memory). > > > > In the yin-yang symbol, each energy contains an " eye " of the other for > > balance. I see the idea of females as giving and males as taking is a > > generality of the sort I like to avoid. It is the balance of > > receptivity and assertiveness that is imbalanced in many individuals > > of either sex. Perhaps we should be thinking more of maturity than > > sex; for instance, a young boy may be more giving in nature than an > > adult woman. Does this make him less masculine, or her less feminine? > > Our hormones are only one source of our social and ethical behavior; a > > lot has to do with socialization and environment. But that " nature v. > > nurture " argument can wait until another time... > > > > I hope that clarifies left and right for you :-) > > > > Deborah Cox wrote: > > > > > > Just last week I had a client who was definitely unbalanced left v. right > (I > > > do Healing > > > Touch energy work). In trying to describe what I was feeling to her, I > > > started getting > > > confused by the many different things that I've read and heard.... > > > Left = feminine energy Right = masculine energy > > > Left = receiving energy Right = giving energy > > > > > > I equate giving with feminine energy and recieving as a masculine energy > > > thus, the > > > confusion. Can someone clarify this for me? > > > > -- --- Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " --- Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2000 Report Share Posted March 20, 2000 Caroline, Thanks for responding back. The client and I came to the conclusion that she was looking for acceptance (from someone outside herself). All this happened at last week's tx (it was a wonderful tx), so we'll see how well the energy holds. Thanks again for your help. Love and Light, Debi Caroline Abreu wrote: > Caroline Abreu <crow > > Deborah: > > I don't think I ever responded to your post :-( Sorry! > > That might be a good assessment; another possibility is a resistance to > other feminine or receptive gifts or tendencies. It could be as simple > as a reluctance to appear " weak " or " dependent " . > > She might work with self-esteem and nurturance, and the concept that > receiving does not indicate she cannot " take care " of herself. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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