Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 There is also an interesting book that was recommended while I was taking my shamanic healing classes, " The Unquiet Dead " by Edith Fiore. I have read " Unholy Hungers " and it is very thought-provoking. We can be possessed by many kinds of attachments, " good " and " bad " , energetic, emotional, spirits, " ghosts " and entities. I believe, from my personal experiences and work with others that there is much more " out there " than we can know; that is not necessarily a bad thing, either. There are things out there we do not *need* to know, or fool with. Everything is not sweetness and light, and it is foolishness to postulate that all monsters are figments of our imaginations, or creations of our fears. There is a balance between shadow and light that is necessary for the universe to function. Ignoring the darkness or pretending it does not exist can be as dangerous as completely embracing it. In reality, we all have a time when we must expose and explore our own shadows and learn to love them as much as our bright and shiny parts. And lest we forget, in religious literature, Lucifer was the Angel Prince of Illusion, Light, and the Air... not the great red horned demon we were taught to fear and avoid in Sunday School. Perhaps it is not just our shadows we should question, but the value of our goodness, if it is in fact naive and illusory. In response to the mental illness question, some might indeed be cases of possession, but more often it is a problem with the person's ability to filter incoming data, particularly psychic visions and incapability to stay grounded in current reality. Sounds like a good time for me to finish the post on the Third Eye ;-) Blessings, Crow Jennifer Hutton wrote: > > Jennifer Hutton <jhutton > > On Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:40 AM, Zoe Borden > [sMTP:zoeborden] wrote: > >> Has anyone else come across psychiatric cases that > > have no apparent medical explanation? > ______ > Zoe, > > There is an excellent book by Barbara Hort (she is a Jungian psychologist) > called " Unholy Hungers: Encountering the Psychic Vampire in Ourselves and > Others " which you may want to look at. The publisher is Shambhala. It is a > serious (as opposed to sensational) look at this issue, and has been praised > by > both Marion Woodman and Jean Shinola-Bolen. It might make your hair raise. > > I highly recommend it to all bodyworkers and/or counselors. > > blessings, Jen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2000 Report Share Posted February 3, 2000 On Wednesday, February 02, 2000 1:47 PM, Caroline Abreu [sMTP:crow] wrote: > Caroline Abreu <crow > > I believe, from my personal experiences and work with others that > there is much more " out there " than we can know; that is not > necessarily a bad thing, either. There are things out there we do not > *need* to know, or fool with....Ignoring the darkness or pretending it does not exist can be as > dangerous as completely embracing it. ______________________________ Well said, Crow! I'm printing out your comments, you expressed it so much better than I could have. It is interesting to me how many of the ancient healing systems on our planet (Shamanism, Tibetan Buddhism, Wicca, etc) all acknowledge and have teachings about the importance of being aware of such things and taking appropriate precautions when doing healing work with others. Those of us who grew up in the allopathic medical model are usually quick to scoff or write off the possibility of anything existing that can't be seen with normal eyesight or measured scientifically. It is rather arrogant of us! It will be interesting if, some day, what has been visible to shamen for centuries becomes visible to the scientific world through the use of technology....much like we are now able to visualize energy fields by using MRIs and Kirlian photography. I've heard of the book by Fiore. I'll have to check it out. Thanks again for your insights. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 Honestly, what frightens me about the current trends is the tendency of some to ignore or avoid the reality of " dark things " ... sort of like putting their collective heads in a hole in the sand and saying " I can't see you, so you don't exist " . I picked up a book at Barnes and Noble a few weeks ago in the metaphysical section that explored angels and guides; it horrifies me that anyone can stand up and try to convince people that the essence of all other beings is benevolent, that all angels are " good " , that all guides have our best interests in mind. Heck... we know that isn't true of the human beings or earth creatures around us... why would it be true of aliens, angels, or anyone else? That way of thinking can lead to personal danger and attachment by malevolent thought forms who would like to use our energy or our physical forms for their own purposes. How easily folks can be manipulated if they think no one out there wants to harm them? Selectivity, care, honesty, and learning to ask specifically for what is wanted are important when working outside middle world reality. Sometimes even our benevolent guides are sacred clowns and trip us up so that we learn how to laugh at ourselves, or even fall gracefully. But if we are firm in our intention that we will only align ourselves with others whose intentions reflect the greatest good of all, we can learn to discern that things are not always what they seem, and that often the end justifies the means ;-) I worked in conventional allopathic settings, and it is funny how " mystical " the night shift folks are <LOL> Things are slower, and people talk. There are shadows in the corners, and more people pass on during the early morning hours, when their biorhythms drop. I imagine I've heard more " sightings " of ghosts, poltergeist activity, and other inexplicable phenomena in my night shifts in hospitals and nursing homes than anywhere else! Of course it is all seen as superstition and wives' tales... for now. But I imagine, as you say, that what shamen know will be scientifically proven; one day, for instance, the movement of the soul from the body may be energetically quantified, and those who claim to have seen it will be validated. Or scans will be perfected that assess the human energy field, and can pick up inclusions and attachments as easily as a blood test can diagnose a dyscrasia. Look how much we've done as humans over the last hundred years or so. Would Lincoln have believed we could go to the moon, cure smallpox, or even visit the bottom of the sea? Balance in everything; equilibrium is so important. We need our dreams to understand our reality, and we need our reason to interpret our visions. Nothing exists in a void. Jennifer Hutton wrote: > > Those of us who grew up in the allopathic medical model are usually quick to > scoff or write off the possibility of anything existing that can't be seen > with > normal eyesight or measured scientifically. It is rather arrogant of us! > > It will be interesting if, some day, what has been visible to shamen for > centuries becomes visible to the scientific world through the use of > technology....much like we are now able to visualize energy fields by using > MRIs and Kirlian photography. > -- Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 With respect, Sagewoman, I would rather not acknowledge gravity, but there it is. Sometimes accepting something's existence gives you power over it. Ignoring it allows it to effect you in ways so subtle that you're not directly aware of them. Ray > " sagewoman " <sagewoman > >< > >Re: Possession >Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:11:39 -0800 > >Dear Body Mind, >What is the thought on affirmation regarding possessions. If we honor the >existance of " dark things " is that not an affirmation of their existance. >How >far does negating their reality go to the dissolution of evil. I know that >I >understand that there are negative forces in the physical reality as well >as >the other planes. I refuse to acknowledge their presence. It is the same >mind set I use to keep a hot pan from burning my fingertips. If I am quick >and certain, there is no burn. >Blessings, >Sage > > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 The problem that science has is that for scientific method to work, it has to be able to accurately measure. This is great for physics, but breaks down a bit in metaphysics. Just remember that yesterday's metaphysics is tomorrow's physics. For instance, the electro-magnetic spectrum used to be metaphysics and now it's physics. What changed? Science learned how to develop meters and sensors to measure it. Ray Hunter >Jennifer Hutton <jhutton > > " ' ' " < > >RE: Possession >Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:13:47 -0500 > >On Thursday, February 03, 2000 8:04 PM, Caroline Abreu >[sMTP:crow] wrote: > >. But I imagine, as you say, that what shamen > > know will be scientifically proven; one day, for instance, the > > movement of the soul from the body may be energetically quantified, > > and those who claim to have seen it will be validated. >__________________________ > >Crow, yes! Technological advances are happening incrementally now, by leaps >and >bounds. That day may not be so far away! Tibetan Buddhists, for instance, >teach >the practice of p'howa to transfer one's consciousness out of the body at >the >moment of death, in order to provide more safety for the soul in it's >journey. >It is a process that unblocks the channels of the subtle body so that >consciousness can easily transfer from the crown of the head. It is taught >even >to beginning students and there are actual physical signs of accomplishment >once the channels have become unblocked (including an opening that appears >on >the top of the head). I have seen this myself many times, and also I know >people who insist that such a thing could not be possible! Like if it >doesn't >fit into their belief system, it can't exist??? When we can follow the >movement >of energy through " scientific " means, there will necessarily be a rather >drastic shift in consciousness as suddenly people are forced to expand >their >worldviews and discard old ideas that no longer are appropriate. I wonder >if we >will be up to the challenge of handling this? > >Jen (hoping it happens in my lifetime) ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 That's true. What I was responding to was the sentence following that one where you say, " I refuse to acknowledge their presence. " We all make choices, but I can't help but to feel that pretending that something doesn't exist, while admitting that it does is a potentially dangerous bit of self-deception. It seems to me like pulling out into an intersection recognizing that there may be cars there, but refusing to acknowledge their presence. For Goddess sake, don't let me talk you out of a belief system that's working for you. This is just my opinion, I could be wrong... Ray > " sagewoman " <sagewoman > >< > >Re: Possession >Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:47:51 -0800 > >I think you misunderstand my position. I never said it does not exist. >The first thing I acknowledged in my post was that it does exist. >(Smile) Check it out .... >Blessings >sage >- >Ray Hunter <rayhuntermt >< > >Friday, February 04, 2000 7:15 AM >Re: Possession > > > > " Ray Hunter " <rayhuntermt > > > > With respect, Sagewoman, I would rather not acknowledge gravity, but >there > > it is. Sometimes accepting something's existence gives you power over >it. > > Ignoring it allows it to effect you in ways so subtle that you're not > > directly aware of them. > > > > Ray > > > > > > > " sagewoman " <sagewoman > > > > > >< > > > >Re: Possession > > >Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:11:39 -0800 > > > > > >Dear Body Mind, > > >What is the thought on affirmation regarding possessions. If we honor >the > > >existance of " dark things " is that not an affirmation of their >existance. > > >How > > >far does negating their reality go to the dissolution of evil. I know >that > > >I > > >understand that there are negative forces in the physical reality as >well > > >as > > >the other planes. I refuse to acknowledge their presence. It is the >same > > >mind set I use to keep a hot pan from burning my fingertips. If I am >quick > > >and certain, there is no burn. > > >Blessings, > > >Sage > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Don't buy your Valentine a Gift by clicking here. > > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/SparksValentine11 " >Click >Here</a> > > > > ------ > > > > **************************************** > > To from , send an email to >- > > > > > > > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 In my experiences and in those with whom I have spoken, the acknowledgment of the thought form in profound forgetfulness does not augment it's power or capacity over others. What increases its power is a reaction of fear or anger or any emotion other than unconditional love. Some of these thought forms require a more intense method of removal--assisted by the light energies of Christ, Buddha, Mother Mary, the archangels, power animals, etc. They can be enormously strong having been strengthened for centuries by man's rather continuous mental litany of greed, hatred, anger, power over others, etc. What we think----becomes. Healing a client of an attachment involves the client's positive desire of riddance from it and working on all levels of the field. An entity may " hang out " on the fourth level but cause energetic disturbances on all levels. Working with a client who may be " possessed " may take more than one healer and does necessitate clarity and strong loving INTENT. The stronger and more dark the thought form--the greater the state of forgetfulness and sense of separation from God. The thought form may sense the healer's fears and attempt to trigger them as a means of distracting the healer from his/her INTENT of separating the form from it's human host. Communication with the thought-form should be loving and firm. I have much to learn. So far, this is what I have found to hold true. I am in awe of our journeys. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 At 08:11 AM 2/4/00 -0800, you wrote: > " sagewoman " <sagewoman > >far does negating their reality go to the dissolution of evil. I know that I >understand that there are negative forces in the physical reality as well as >the other planes. I refuse to acknowledge their presence. It is the same >mind set I use to keep a hot pan from burning my fingertips. If I am quick >and certain, there is no burn. And if you ignore the mugger behind you on the subway platform, will he vanish and not harm you? In my mind, it is better to acknowledge that evil is there and to ward against it, than to pretend the darkness does not exist. You say if you are 'quick and certain' the hot pan will not burn. The other side of that is if you are slow, it will. Therefore your very quickness acknowledges that the heat of the pan can hurt you if you are not careful. The same holds for the negative forces. If you refuse to acknowledge the heat of the pan, and pick it up as if it were cold, what will happen? My thoughts... Contributing editor at http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/massage_therapy medieval fantasy/romance at http://www.opendiary.com/entrylist.asp?authorcode=A111259 and at http://www.opendiary.com/entrylist.asp?authorcode=A111744 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 sagewoman wrote: > > What is the thought on affirmation regarding possessions. If we honor the > existance of " dark things " is that not an affirmation of their existance. > How > far does negating their reality go to the dissolution of evil. I know that I > understand that there are negative forces in the physical reality as well as > the other planes. I refuse to acknowledge their presence. Your implication is, of course, that because something appears dark or negative that it is undesirable and therefore you refuse to acknowledge its existence. I am not criticizing you; this seems to be something that is being taught to people somewhere, and we really should get to the root of it, because it is an insidiously ungrounded pattern of belief. It is also practically impossible, as some others have pointed out; like an elephant in the living room, you can only walk around it so long before it (or its detritus) makes itself difficult to avoid. Ponder for a moment that in order for the positive to exist there must also be negative, and that perception of evil is very subjective. From the standpoint of a higher power who is omniscient and immortal, for example, life itself must have a completely different meaning than to those of us existing currently in the middle world plane, finite, corporeal, limited in our ability to see and limited in our lifespans. We must honor the existence of all things, because they exist. We do not have to embrace them or obsess on them, but we cannot make them go away by ignoring them. It is enticing to imagine that we can say magic words and make things go away, but energetically, this is fallacious. In order for energy to be displaced, it must be transformed in some way, since physically it never ceases to exist. In the case of possession specifically, ignoring an attachment may offer it more permission to utilize a person's energy, since no one is bothering to tell it to go away. In many cases an attachment can be tempted away by a better offer (i.e., sent into the light, offered another energy source, etc.). In some cases the attachment is not even negative, but misguided (such as a mother who refuses to abandon her children after death instead of progressing). -- Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " -- Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH ICQ# 4458763 AIM= CaroCrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 Dear Body Mind, What is the thought on affirmation regarding possessions. If we honor the existance of " dark things " is that not an affirmation of their existance. How far does negating their reality go to the dissolution of evil. I know that I understand that there are negative forces in the physical reality as well as the other planes. I refuse to acknowledge their presence. It is the same mind set I use to keep a hot pan from burning my fingertips. If I am quick and certain, there is no burn. Blessings, Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 If I know that the pan is cold, it will be . . . this I know .... you must however, determine your own path to the cold pot ...... the point I believe was that technology may in the not too distant present be able to " see " spiritual malady . . . . much like our psychics/Shamas lay on their hands and " see " physical and spiritual disturbances in the human being .... Sage Chris Barrett <cbr < > Friday, February 04, 2000 6:44 AM Re: Possession > Chris Barrett <cbr > > At 08:11 AM 2/4/00 -0800, you wrote: > > " sagewoman " <sagewoman > > > >far does negating their reality go to the dissolution of evil. I know that I > >understand that there are negative forces in the physical reality as well as > >the other planes. I refuse to acknowledge their presence. It is the same > >mind set I use to keep a hot pan from burning my fingertips. If I am quick > >and certain, there is no burn. > > And if you ignore the mugger behind you on the subway platform, will he > vanish and not harm you? In my mind, it is better to acknowledge that evil > is there and to ward against it, than to pretend the darkness does not exist. > You say if you are 'quick and certain' the hot pan will not burn. The other > side of that is if you are slow, it will. Therefore your very quickness > acknowledges that the heat of the pan can hurt you if you are not careful. > The same holds for the negative forces. If you refuse to acknowledge the > heat of the pan, and pick it up as if it were cold, what will happen? > > My thoughts... > > > Contributing editor at http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/massage_therapy > medieval fantasy/romance at > http://www.opendiary.com/entrylist.asp?authorcode=A111259 and at > http://www.opendiary.com/entrylist.asp?authorcode=A111744 > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Valentine's Day Shopping Made Simple. > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/SparksValentine7 " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > > **************************************** > To from , send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 On Thursday, February 03, 2000 8:04 PM, Caroline Abreu [sMTP:crow] wrote: >. But I imagine, as you say, that what shamen > know will be scientifically proven; one day, for instance, the > movement of the soul from the body may be energetically quantified, > and those who claim to have seen it will be validated. __________________________ Crow, yes! Technological advances are happening incrementally now, by leaps and bounds. That day may not be so far away! Tibetan Buddhists, for instance, teach the practice of p'howa to transfer one's consciousness out of the body at the moment of death, in order to provide more safety for the soul in it's journey. It is a process that unblocks the channels of the subtle body so that consciousness can easily transfer from the crown of the head. It is taught even to beginning students and there are actual physical signs of accomplishment once the channels have become unblocked (including an opening that appears on the top of the head). I have seen this myself many times, and also I know people who insist that such a thing could not be possible! Like if it doesn't fit into their belief system, it can't exist??? When we can follow the movement of energy through " scientific " means, there will necessarily be a rather drastic shift in consciousness as suddenly people are forced to expand their worldviews and discard old ideas that no longer are appropriate. I wonder if we will be up to the challenge of handling this? Jen (hoping it happens in my lifetime) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 I think you misunderstand my position. I never said it does not exist. The first thing I acknowledged in my post was that it does exist. (Smile) Check it out .... Blessings sage - Ray Hunter <rayhuntermt < > Friday, February 04, 2000 7:15 AM Re: Possession > " Ray Hunter " <rayhuntermt > > With respect, Sagewoman, I would rather not acknowledge gravity, but there > it is. Sometimes accepting something's existence gives you power over it. > Ignoring it allows it to effect you in ways so subtle that you're not > directly aware of them. > > Ray > > > > " sagewoman " <sagewoman > > > >< > > >Re: Possession > >Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:11:39 -0800 > > > >Dear Body Mind, > >What is the thought on affirmation regarding possessions. If we honor the > >existance of " dark things " is that not an affirmation of their existance. > >How > >far does negating their reality go to the dissolution of evil. I know that > >I > >understand that there are negative forces in the physical reality as well > >as > >the other planes. I refuse to acknowledge their presence. It is the same > >mind set I use to keep a hot pan from burning my fingertips. If I am quick > >and certain, there is no burn. > >Blessings, > >Sage > > > > > > ____ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Don't buy your Valentine a Gift by clicking here. > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/SparksValentine11 " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > > **************************************** > To from , send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 Merry Meet, You said: Your implication is, of course, that because something appears dark or negative that it is undesirable and therefore you refuse to acknowledge its existence My answer: Not exactly. I understand that the universe requires balance in order to exist. I believe that all things contain both dark and light, our environment, our dieties, human beings, animal and plant life; I am simply saying that in speaking ones word one manifests ones reality. To the extict that belief exists it becomes the matter of earth being. I believe this is the system of existance. I do not insist upon perfection of either, for evil or good, whatever the definition is. I am, however, promulgating the actual power of mind to subject reality. Blessings Sage - Caroline Abreu <crow < > Friday, February 04, 2000 7:41 AM Re: Possession > Caroline Abreu <crow > > sagewoman wrote: > > > > What is the thought on affirmation regarding possessions. If we honor the > > existance of " dark things " is that not an affirmation of their existance. > > How > > far does negating their reality go to the dissolution of evil. I know that I > > understand that there are negative forces in the physical reality as well as > > the other planes. I refuse to acknowledge their presence. > > Your implication is, of course, that because something appears dark or > negative that it is undesirable and therefore you refuse to > acknowledge its existence. I am not criticizing you; this seems to be > something that is being taught to people somewhere, and we really > should get to the root of it, because it is an insidiously ungrounded > pattern of belief. It is also practically impossible, as some others > have pointed out; like an elephant in the living room, you can only > walk around it so long before it (or its detritus) makes itself > difficult to avoid. > > Ponder for a moment that in order for the positive to exist there must > also be negative, and that perception of evil is very subjective. From > the standpoint of a higher power who is omniscient and immortal, for > example, life itself must have a completely different meaning than to > those of us existing currently in the middle world plane, finite, > corporeal, limited in our ability to see and limited in our lifespans. > > We must honor the existence of all things, because they exist. We do > not have to embrace them or obsess on them, but we cannot make them go > away by ignoring them. It is enticing to imagine that we can say magic > words and make things go away, but energetically, this is fallacious. > In order for energy to be displaced, it must be transformed in some > way, since physically it never ceases to exist. In the case of > possession specifically, ignoring an attachment may offer it more > permission to utilize a person's energy, since no one is bothering to > tell it to go away. In many cases an attachment can be tempted away by > a better offer (i.e., sent into the light, offered another energy > source, etc.). In some cases the attachment is not even negative, but > misguided (such as a mother who refuses to abandon her children after > death instead of progressing). > > -- > Blessings, > Crow > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " > -- > Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH > ICQ# 4458763 > AIM= CaroCrow > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Don't buy your Valentine a Gift by clicking here. > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/SparksValentine11 " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > > **************************************** > To from , send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 Lizzie said: " The thought form may sense the healer's fears and attempt to trigger them as a means of distracting the healer from his/her INTENT of separating the form from it's human host. Communication with the thought-form should be loving and firm. " I have been experiencing this while working with my mother. As I present to her tools for improving her situation, the objections of many years of mistaken certainties rise like demons from her psychic. She is convinced,for example that women should not exercise. When I was a girl it was because they might break their hymens. Interesting . . . . we have made much progress however in the last month. She was being destroyed by the entity when I arrived to take care of her. She is actually laughing and smiling for the first time in many, many months. As you said -- loving and firm . . . . Blessings, Sage Blessings - <Lizzie2C < > Friday, February 04, 2000 9:21 AM Re: Possession > Lizzie2C > > In my experiences and in those with whom I have spoken, the acknowledgment > of the thought form in profound forgetfulness does not augment it's power or > capacity over others. What increases its power is a reaction of fear or > anger or any emotion other than unconditional love. > Some of these thought forms require a more intense method of > removal--assisted by the light energies of Christ, Buddha, Mother Mary, the > archangels, power animals, etc. They can be enormously strong having been > strengthened for centuries by man's rather continuous mental litany of greed, > hatred, anger, power over others, etc. > What we think----becomes. > Healing a client of an attachment involves the client's positive desire of > riddance from it and working on all levels of the field. An entity may " hang > out " on the fourth level but cause energetic disturbances on all levels. > Working with a client who may be " possessed " may take more than one healer > and does necessitate clarity and strong loving INTENT. The stronger and more > dark the thought form--the greater the state of forgetfulness and sense of > separation from God. > The thought form may sense the healer's fears and attempt to trigger them > as a means of distracting the healer from his/her INTENT of separating the > form from it's human host. Communication with the thought-form should be > loving and firm. > I have much to learn. So far, this is what I have found to hold true. > I am in awe of our journeys. Liz > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Shop for your Valentine at eGroups. > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/SparksValentine6 " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > > **************************************** > To from , send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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