Guest guest Posted August 23, 1999 Report Share Posted August 23, 1999 UNSUBSCRIBE > > > > Digest Number 94 >19 Aug 1999 08:36:13 -0000 > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Transfer your big list to ONElist and earn $500! >For program details, go to >/info/biglistbon_intro.html > >------ >**************************************** >To from , send an email to >- > >------ > >There are 16 messages in this issue. > >Topics in today's digest: > > 1. energy request > Songwrit1 > 2. " control " > roro <roro > 3. Re: iki > Anukki > 4. Re: Re: Reiki > Michelle Hughes <lunarmm > 5. Re: " control " > Anukki > 6. Re: Re: iki > " Red " <red > 7. Re: Re: Reiki > Anukki > 8. Re: Re: Reiki > Michelle Hughes <lunarmm > 9. Re: Re: Reiki > Anukki > 10. Re: Re: iki > Anukki > 11. Re: Re: Reiki > Michelle Hughes <lunarmm > 12. Re: Re: Twelve Steps > Anukki > 13. Re: Re: Reiki > " Red " <red > 14. Re: Re: iki > " Red " <red > 15. Re: Re: iki > Michelle Hughes <lunarmm > 16. Re: Introduction > wallind > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 1 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:54:03 EDT > Songwrit1 >energy request > >I have a friend who asked me to ask my friends for healing....I am asking. >Her name is June Pullan and she lives in Daytona Beach Florida. Thanks and >blessings, Song > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 2 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:41:17 +1000 > roro <roro > " control " > > >Hi All, > >At this point of time all my control issues are up and about and showing >there ugly faces, > >So I am after any advice how to change this issue in my life. > >Is there any books anyone can recommend >and/or any idea's how I can work on myself so then I am not controlling >in my life to myself and others > >any help would be grateful > >hugs > >Jacqui >Canberra, Australia > > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 3 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:53:40 EDT > Anukki >Re: iki > ><< I am myself studing to be a reiki master, >> > >Can I turn the conversation to Reiki? As I understand it, Reiki 1 gives you >the ability to put hands down and Reiki >comes through attuned hands. Side effect-- Reiki for self as the energy >passes through. > >Reiki 2 gives the ability to do the same, only long distance. Side effect-- >boost of intuition. > >Reiki Master gives the ability to attune others. Side effect-- ??? Even >MORE >intuition? > >So, what's to study in being a Reiki Master? You learn the hand positions, >the symbols, learn how to attune others (this takes about five minutes) and >you are a Reiki Master. What am I missing here? I hear people talk of >reading >the proper readings and of preparing to become a Reiki Master and all that. > >Being a Reiki Master ? TEACHER might be the thing they are discussing. >Being >a teacher takes a little more than five minutes of instruction, but having >the ability to pass along the attunement takes no big skill. And am I >correct >in assuming that THIS is what makes a Reiki Master? > >Anukki > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 4 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:02:07 -0700 (PDT) > Michelle Hughes <lunarmm >Re: Re: Reiki > >--- Anukki wrote: > > So, what's to study in being a Reiki Master? You > > learn the hand positions, > > the symbols, learn how to attune others (this takes > > about five minutes) and > > you are a Reiki Master. What am I missing here? I > > hear people talk of reading > > the proper readings and of preparing to become a > > Reiki Master and all that. > >Anukki, > >I'm a Reiki 1 - so I am not an expert. There seems to >me to be two schools of thought. There are some Reiki >Masters who give Reiki Master in one shot - they give >the attunement and then you are on your own. Others >treat Reiki Mastership as a mentorship of a certain >time period - sometimes a year. You do work, get >feedback on your work, etc. It is up to you what you >want and the cost and time the Master you feel >comfortable getting the attunements from. Yes, an >attunement is great - but I feel that if you are going >to pay a certain amount of money for becoming a Reiki >Master, I would prefer the mentorship and get feedback >and practice first before attuning others and >spreading the line of Reiki. > >This is just my input. There are tons of sites that >discuss Reiki - forums, etc. for additional input. > >MichelleH > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 5 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:08:23 EDT > Anukki >Re: " control " > >Jacqui sez: ><< At this point of time all my control issues are up and about and showing >there ugly faces, > >So I am after any advice how to change this issue in my life. > >Is there any books anyone can recommendand/or any idea's how I can work on >myself so then I am not controlling > in my life to myself and others > > any help would be grateful >> > >Howdy Jacqui. Let me begin by saluting your courage in appearing here with > " issues flying in the breeze " and for asking for help. It is no small thing >that you have done. I believe you have come to one potential source of >assistance-- there are most certainly others. There might be support groups >where you live, or there probably are online support systems where such >issues could be discussed. But I have been hanging around with this gang >here >on Bodymind for a while-- it is a good bunch of folks. > >So... you say that you want to change the issue of control in your life. Or >that you want to work on yourself so then you are not controlling in your >life to yourself and others. A big job! One place I might suggest you begin >is to try to describe just what you mean by this issue of control. You have >given us VERY little to go on. (Could this be a means of controlling? >Controlling information others have about you?) > >Next, look at whatever reaction you have just had to reading what I wrote. >Did you react with a flash of anger, or a twinge of fear, or with >curiosity, >or what? That might tell you something about yourself right there. > >And I wonder why you came to the group Bodymind with this issue. Is there a >body component to the stuff you are working with? Maybe working with >someone >in a hands on way is what is needed? > >I know I am responding with a lot of questions, and I am sorry that I have >no >books to recommend. I do wish you well, though. > >Anukki > > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 6 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:16:15 -0700 > " Red " <red >Re: Re: iki > >Ah, >I went to a demonstration of Reiki. What I found, and this is not to >denigrate any individual person, was pretty much what was said below. >That >I already possessed both hands on and distance techniques of Reiki >naturally >and have been using them for quiet some time consciously, and before that >for about 30 years, unconsciously. The other thing I found was an evolving >inner circle of healers who take a great deal of pride and expense in >calling themselves Reiki Master. Now this may sound like the fox with the >sour grapes and I would say perhaps you are right on. I also discovered >much to my chagrin that the locals here were part of the Twelve Step >Program >which I had been emersed in for over 15 years and was trying to break away >from in order to live in the world beyond the four walls. So, the >dysfunctional relationship syndrome created in that Program which is >cultish >in its elimination of the outer world from the inner world of THE PROGRAM >at >least in this community, prevails within the Reiki associated Masters. I >had a tremendous experience when they performed Reiki on me, it was >wonderful, but when it was over I was no longer part of THE GROUP, as I had >not been earlier when introductions were made and everyone told about their >excellent credentials and " qualified " their presence in the group. > >Your statements of your feelings gave me courage to express my seimilar >sentiments. I am older, experienced, and a therapist myself, so I do not >think my perceptions can be chalked up to paranoia or low self-esteem. I >have seen my work benefit others and know that what I do is a good thing >but >I don't have a Reiki Certificate to prove it. I think I have the good >sense enough to know when I am being " snookered " into the belief that >Certificates qualify the possessee to something " unavailable " to the >un-initiated except through the Certified, and for a healthy price. > >I believe in Reiki. I do not believe in Charlatans who do healing for >money. BIG MONEY. Even the most gifted of healers can be a Charlatan. I >believe in a smile and a gentle love that flows through the receiver and >the >sender without qualification. > >Sage >- ><Anukki >< > >Wednesday, August 18, 1999 6:53 AM > Re: iki > > > > Anukki > > > > << I am myself studing to be a reiki master, >> > > > > Can I turn the conversation to Reiki? As I understand it, Reiki 1 gives >you > > the ability to put hands down and Reiki > > comes through attuned hands. Side effect-- Reiki for self as the energy > > passes through. > > > > Reiki 2 gives the ability to do the same, only long distance. Side >effect-- > > boost of intuition. > > > > Reiki Master gives the ability to attune others. Side effect-- ??? Even >MORE > > intuition? > > > > So, what's to study in being a Reiki Master? You learn the hand >positions, > > the symbols, learn how to attune others (this takes about five minutes) >and > > you are a Reiki Master. What am I missing here? I hear people talk of >reading > > the proper readings and of preparing to become a Reiki Master and all >that. > > > > Being a Reiki Master ? TEACHER might be the thing they are discussing. >Being > > a teacher takes a little more than five minutes of instruction, but >having > > the ability to pass along the attunement takes no big skill. And am I >correct > > in assuming that THIS is what makes a Reiki Master? > > > > Anukki > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > ONElist: your connection to like-minds and kindred spirits. > > > > ------ > > **************************************** > > To from , send an email to >- > > > > > > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 7 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:16:04 EDT > Anukki >Re: Re: Reiki > >MichelleH sez: > ><< There are tons of sites that > discuss Reiki - forums, etc. for additional input. >> > >Can you recommend any? I have d to a couple and they are not >talking >about Reiki for the most part. They discuss far out things like the three >dimensional world we live in is going to shift/is already shifting into a >four or five dimensional world. Stuff like that. > >This list says in the directions that Reiki is one of the topics we do >here. >So, I wanna do! > >As far as mentorship in Reiki-- What are people looking for? I leave plenty >of time to answer questions in my classes. Then we practice, and that >raises >more questions. I answer them. Usually the question is, " Am I doing this >right? " and the answer is always " Yes. You can't really do it wrong. Reiki >can do no harm. " > >I think my fear is that it could become a culyish experience, where the >students cling to me and I exploit their clingy-ness for my own gain. I >don't >want or need anyone studying with me for a year to learn to be a Reiki >Master. > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 8 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:26:33 -0700 (PDT) > Michelle Hughes <lunarmm >Re: Re: Reiki > > >--- Anukki wrote: > > MichelleH sez: > > > > << There are tons of sites that > > discuss Reiki - forums, etc. for additional input. > > >> > > > > Can you recommend any? > >For Delphi, you have to join to participate in the >forums: > >http://www.delphi.com/dir-app/search/index.asp > >http://search.about.com/scripts/query70.asp?terms=Reiki & trail= & Site=home & SUName\ =home & COB=home & TopNode=%2F & Action=search > >Diane Stein's " Essential Reiki " discusses many of >these issues. She gives away Reiki attunements which >has upset some Reiki Masters (you can see some >comments at amazon from both sides of the $ issue). > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0895947366/o/qid=934986262/sr=2-2/002-52\ 83721-8368846 > >MichelleH > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 9 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:52:21 EDT > Anukki >Re: Re: Reiki > >MichelleH sez: ><< Diane Stein's " Essential Reiki " discusses many of > these issues. She gives away Reiki attunements which > has upset some Reiki Masters (you can see some > comments at amazon from both sides of the $ issue). >> > >Ah, Diane. Have you met her? I had occasion to interview her on videotape >several years ago. (She is from Pittsburgh, though she has since moved to >Florida, I believe.) The interview was part of a piece I was doing on >women's >spirituality, and she had some interesting viewpoints. The most surprising >for me was how dogmatic she seemed-- her way was the proper way and if >others >couldn't see that, then they were in some way ignorant or otherwise >inferior. >I would like to look at that videotape again, except it is in Super VHS >format (better for TV) and I don't have a player any more. I will have to >look one up. > >Anyway, she struck me as an odd character-- one who knew her stuff on a >cognitive level but who was rather arrogant about her feminism (the phrase >I >hear and use the most often is that she hits one over the head with it) >and >seemed to not have much clue as to compassion and understanding. She is >certainly no stranger to controversy. > >I like her book and take it with a healthy grain or two of salt. When I >took >Reiki, I wanted to know what was Reiki and what was the teachers add-ons. >Having various books on the subject has helped-- some points run through >all >the books, and some are particular to that author. Diane makes her >additions >and her personal viewpoints-- just like the rest of them. But she is the >only >one so far who writes down the symbols (HER PERSONAL INTERPRETATION of the >symbols) and talks about things that were not talked about in other book. >Until other books do the same, I will have no basis for comparison. > >Giving attunements for free does not disturb me in the least. She gets to >talk in her book about her many students, as if they were all paying for >the >classes. She benefits. And Usui gave Reiki away for free for years. It was >when he didn't like what they did with it that he started charging. Rather >controlling, I think. > >Anukki > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 10 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:58:28 EDT > Anukki >Re: Re: iki > >Sage sez: > ><< I went to a demonstration of Reiki. What I found, and this is not to > denigrate any individual person, was pretty much what was said below. >That > I already possessed both hands on and distance techniques of Reiki >naturally > and have been using them for quiet some time consciously, and before that > for about 30 years, unconsciously. >> > >I was told that many people are doing Reiki in some form or another without >ever being attuned. No mystery-- Reiki is not something " new " that has been >added to the universe. People have been laying on hands for healing >forever, >and sending thoughts, warm wishes and healing in the form of prayer (among >others) for ever. What an attunement does is clear out the channels that we >already all have within us so that those channels can conduct the energy >more >better. > >I work mostly with massage students in my Reiki classes. They mostly have >some idea about energy fields and transference of energy from one being to >another or from the universe THROUGH one being to another. So I don't have >to >spend a whole lot of time explaining this concept. You already know about >it, >Sage. I do think that the attunement might do something for you, though. >Whatever you do could get stronger and clearer. > >Anukki > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 11 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:00:28 -0700 (PDT) > Michelle Hughes <lunarmm >Re: Re: Reiki > >--- Anukki wrote: > > > MichelleH sez: > > << Diane Stein's " Essential Reiki " discusses many of > these issues. > > > Ah, Diane. Have you met her? > >No, I haven't met her but your input is very >interesting. I agree with her on some issues (eg., >re: how much some people charge for Reiki. But that >is an issue in the healing arena wherever you go. But >I figure, the more people who know Reiki, the better. >Even if they only use it on themselves, they are >helping heal the plantet... > >MichelleH > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 12 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:05:27 EDT > Anukki >Re: Re: Twelve Steps > >Sage sez: > ><< So, the > dysfunctional relationship syndrome created in that [Twelve Step] Program >which is cultish > in its elimination of the outer world from the inner world of THE PROGRAM >at > least in this community, prevails within the Reiki associated Masters. I > had a tremendous experience when they performed Reiki on me, it was > wonderful, but when it was over I was no longer part of THE GROUP, as I >had > not been earlier when introductions were made and everyone told about >their > excellent credentials and " qualified " their presence in the group. >> > >I was a Twelve Stepper for a lot of years. My program was for Adult >Children >from Dysfunctional Families (ANY dysfunction) and maybe that wide of a >scope >is what kept our group from collapsing in on itself from its own weight. I >am >aware of the " I am an insider and you are an outsider " mentality, and I >avoid >it if I can. It is one that runs through the gay and lesbian communities-- >men have their functions and social events and women have theirs. I don't >play along. > >I had a party at my home last weekend and there were straights, gays, >grandparents, babies, you-name-it. A wide mix of colors, ages, backgrounds, >etc. That's how I like it. I don't want to get labeled and boxed up to be >only with those who are mostly like me. How boring! > >Anukki > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 13 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:40:53 -0700 > " Red " <red >Re: Re: Reiki > >Anukki, very astute comments. > >Thanks >Sage >- ><Anukki >< > >Wednesday, August 18, 1999 7:52 AM >Re: Re: Reiki > > > > Anukki > > > > MichelleH sez: > > << Diane Stein's " Essential Reiki " discusses many of > > these issues. She gives away Reiki attunements which > > has upset some Reiki Masters (you can see some > > comments at amazon from both sides of the $ issue). >> > > > > Ah, Diane. Have you met her? I had occasion to interview her on >videotape > > several years ago. (She is from Pittsburgh, though she has since moved >to > > Florida, I believe.) The interview was part of a piece I was doing on >women's > > spirituality, and she had some interesting viewpoints. The most >surprising > > for me was how dogmatic she seemed-- her way was the proper way and if >others > > couldn't see that, then they were in some way ignorant or otherwise >inferior. > > I would like to look at that videotape again, except it is in Super VHS > > format (better for TV) and I don't have a player any more. I will have >to > > look one up. > > > > Anyway, she struck me as an odd character-- one who knew her stuff on a > > cognitive level but who was rather arrogant about her feminism (the >phrase >I > > hear and use the most often is that she hits one over the head with it) >and > > seemed to not have much clue as to compassion and understanding. She is > > certainly no stranger to controversy. > > > > I like her book and take it with a healthy grain or two of salt. When I >took > > Reiki, I wanted to know what was Reiki and what was the teachers >add-ons. > > Having various books on the subject has helped-- some points run through >all > > the books, and some are particular to that author. Diane makes her >additions > > and her personal viewpoints-- just like the rest of them. But she is the >only > > one so far who writes down the symbols (HER PERSONAL INTERPRETATION of >the > > symbols) and talks about things that were not talked about in other >book. > > Until other books do the same, I will have no basis for comparison. > > > > Giving attunements for free does not disturb me in the least. She gets >to > > talk in her book about her many students, as if they were all paying for >the > > classes. She benefits. And Usui gave Reiki away for free for years. It >was > > when he didn't like what they did with it that he started charging. >Rather > > controlling, I think. > > > > Anukki > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > ONElist announces " FRIENDS & FAMILY! " > > For details, including our weekly drawing, go to > > /info/onereachsplash3.html > > > > ------ > > **************************************** > > To from , send an email to >- > > > > > > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 14 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:44:54 -0700 > " Red " <red >Re: Re: iki > >Yes, I think that is what I was looking for, to get tuned in, not tuned out >.. . . interesting >that they would not allow me to participate in the administration of " their >Reiki " because >I had no credentials. . even though I have been interacting with a couple >of the >people there at home and they with me on a regular basis ..... One of my >friends who had >done a workshop before and paid for it was allowed to work on me but when >it >came his >turn they would not let me help . . . I felt very letdown as I thought we >would be >interacting, giving as well as getting ..... oh well ..... > >Sage >- ><Anukki >< > >Wednesday, August 18, 1999 7:58 AM >Re: Re: iki > > > > Anukki > > > > Sage sez: > > > > << I went to a demonstration of Reiki. What I found, and this is not to > > denigrate any individual person, was pretty much what was said below. >That > > I already possessed both hands on and distance techniques of Reiki >naturally > > and have been using them for quiet some time consciously, and before >that > > for about 30 years, unconsciously. >> > > > > I was told that many people are doing Reiki in some form or another >without > > ever being attuned. No mystery-- Reiki is not something " new " that has >been > > added to the universe. People have been laying on hands for healing >forever, > > and sending thoughts, warm wishes and healing in the form of prayer >(among > > others) for ever. What an attunement does is clear out the channels that >we > > already all have within us so that those channels can conduct the energy >more > > better. > > > > I work mostly with massage students in my Reiki classes. They mostly >have > > some idea about energy fields and transference of energy from one being >to > > another or from the universe THROUGH one being to another. So I don't >have >to > > spend a whole lot of time explaining this concept. You already know >about >it, > > Sage. I do think that the attunement might do something for you, though. > > Whatever you do could get stronger and clearer. > > > > Anukki > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > You can WIN $100 to Amazon.com by starting a new list at ONElist. > > Drawing is held each week through August 20. For details, go to > > /info/onereachsplash3.html > > > > ------ > > **************************************** > > To from , send an email to >- > > > > > > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 15 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:37:46 -0700 (PDT) > Michelle Hughes <lunarmm >Re: Re: iki > >--- Red <red wrote: it was allowed > > to work on me but when it came his > > turn they would not let me help . . . I felt very > > letdown as I thought we would be > > interacting, giving as well as getting > >Sage, > >I am very sorry to hear this. This is the first time >I've heard of such exclusion. I have been at other >Reiki shares where non-attuned have given as well as >received hands-on healing (regardless of Reiki >status). > >MichelleH > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > >Message: 16 > Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:52:18 -0500 > wallind >Re: Introduction > >Hi everyone, my name is Debra, I am 43 and live in the Dallas, Texas area. >I am >very interested in energy work or healing hands. I seem to have a natural >ability to do this but I have not had anyone to guide me. I did try once >to do >healing work without touching and it worked. I did read a book once about >it >that was very informative. I am interested in learning as much as I can. >Thanks, Debra > > > > >_____________________________ >_____________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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