Guest guest Posted May 20, 1999 Report Share Posted May 20, 1999 Hi, group! I have just joined the group and thought I would introduce myself. My name is Brad, and I am finishing my Ph.D. in psychology (defending in 3 months), and am also a newly certified massage therapist. I am interested in blending psychotherapy and massage into a unified healing art. My dream is to open a holistic healing center staffed by psychotherapists, massage therapists, accupuncturists, chiropractors, herbalists, experts in dance, music and art therapy, et al. I am curious to hear if anyone here has any information or experience regarding the combined use of massage and psychotherapy. I took a course on Radical Therapy, which combines Gestalt, Humanistic and Existential therapies with bodywork, but that is the extent of my exposure thus far. Please enlighten me if you can. Thanks! Brad P.S. Sorry I missed the discussions re: the first 2 chakras. I look forward to the remaining discussions, though. ___________ Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 1999 Report Share Posted May 20, 1999 Hi Brad, I am interested in the same thing as far as combining massage/energy work and psychotherapy. I am starting college next year to pursue a degree in psychology. I am also a massage therapist and have recently became an energy worker at level III. I don't have any information for you as I'm just starting off in the same direction myself. I do know that the teacher I have earned my level three from has tremendous results in helping people bring their issues to the surface to be looked at. In fact, it was the effectiveness of this approach that helped me to decide a new career path. One that I think can be of tremendous help to people and of interest to me. I am very excited. I would like to ask you a question though. I am just starting out with the College part of this. I have already obtained a general 2 year degree and will be starting in my junior year next year. My focus will be on Psychology. Do you have any advice as far as college goes and a focal point for this type of work. Thanks, Mona Lisa Brad Adams [hapatiger1] Thursday, May 20, 1999 10:01 AM Re: Digest Number 41 Brad Adams <hapatiger1 Hi, group! I have just joined the group and thought I would introduce myself. My name is Brad, and I am finishing my Ph.D. in psychology (defending in 3 months), and am also a newly certified massage therapist. I am interested in blending psychotherapy and massage into a unified healing art. My dream is to open a holistic healing center staffed by psychotherapists, massage therapists, accupuncturists, chiropractors, herbalists, experts in dance, music and art therapy, et al. I am curious to hear if anyone here has any information or experience regarding the combined use of massage and psychotherapy. I took a course on Radical Therapy, which combines Gestalt, Humanistic and Existential therapies with bodywork, but that is the extent of my exposure thus far. Please enlighten me if you can. Thanks! Brad P.S. Sorry I missed the discussions re: the first 2 chakras. I look forward to the remaining discussions, though. ___________ Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger. ------ ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. Join a new list today! ------ **************************************** To from , send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 1999 Report Share Posted May 20, 1999 Brad, Welcome aboard! I have had some definate thoughts about coupling psychotherapy with massage. What a powerful modality! Welcome to the list, I am looking forward to your experiences as a psychobodyworker! ()~ Blessings, Song Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 1999 Report Share Posted November 2, 1999 Robert, `` In Japan, the majority of herbalists practice what's called Koho-ha Kampo-, which basically means " Old (ie classical) style Han methods (ie Chinese medicine) " . The old style was in response to the Gosei-ha, which used more Sung-Jin-Yuan methods (Li Dong-Yuan, Liu Wan-su, etc). '' I am curious, are there still people in Japan practicing based on the Song-Jin-Yuan classics? `` The Koho- people stuck pretty rigorously to the SHL and JGYL formulas, though eventually they threw out most of the theory in favor of a more phenomenological approach (dx=tx, the patterns are named for the formulae themselves). '' Yes, I am familiar with this phenomenon. It's a funny thing, though, I actually find that I do that in my own practice, although I do not practice kampo, per se. What I mean is, when I see a patient, I often think, ``hmm, seems like she corresponds pretty well to Yi Guan Jian or Liu Wei Di Huang Wan, etc.'' I think that approach is used by many folks who practice Chinese medicine of one form or another. Just an interesting connection. `` What eventually happened i think was that the Japanese government approved only those formulas for which there was significant clinical " evidence " , which basically means that SHL/JGYL formulas are the only ones officially approved for use in the Japanese health care system. So they use these formulae for just about anything. '' One of the amazing things to me is that when contemporary Chinese scholars want to do classical research on the SHL/JGYL, they generally need to look for sources from Japan. The Japanese have safeguarded Zhang Ji's texts much more carefully than the Chinese. The oldest extant version of the SHL is, as far as I know, in Japan, not in China. I would also be interested to hear from where your information comes. I am guessing that you use kampo in clinical practice. Craig Mitchell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 1999 Report Share Posted November 2, 1999 --- cem wrote: > cem > > I am curious, are there still people in Japan > practicing > based on the Song-Jin-Yuan classics? > Yes, it is still an active minority in Japan. There is actually a third stream, too, known as Setchu-ha, which is the " compromise " school, or " syncretic " school. To some extent, Shibata notes in his book, everybody practicing in Japan is a syncretist. > `` The Koho- people stuck pretty rigorously to the > SHL and JGYL formulas, > though eventually they threw out most of the theory > in favor of a more > phenomenological approach (dx=tx, the patterns are > named for the formulae > themselves). '' > > Yes, I am familiar with this phenomenon. It's a > funny thing, though, > I actually find that I do that in my own practice, > although I > do not practice kampo, per se. What I mean is, when > I see > a patient, I often think, ``hmm, seems like she > corresponds pretty > well to Yi Guan Jian or Liu Wei Di Huang Wan, etc.'' > I think > that approach is used by many folks who practice > Chinese > medicine of one form or another. Just an interesting > connection. I sometimes have a hard time explaining this concept to students, though I think it is a pretty natural progression in clinical experience. Students are used to learning rote patterns, and inferring a tx principle, and selecting points or formulae from there. Sometimes in the student clinic I will get asked what the pattern is , and I'd like to say " why it's a K6, Lu7, Liv3, Ht5 pattern " . This is what I like about studying with Japanese teachers, there's something very immediate in grasping the clinical conformation of somebody in front of you. (not sure if I'm making sense now) Some of my Japanese teachers kind of slam TCM by saying it doesn't have this dx=tx principle, but I think it is more common than they might believe. > > > One of the amazing things to me is that when > contemporary > Chinese scholars want to do classical research on > the SHL/JGYL, > they generally need to look for sources from Japan. > The > Japanese have safeguarded Zhang Ji's texts much more > carefully > than the Chinese. The oldest extant version of the > SHL is, > as far as I know, in Japan, not in China. Same with the Huang Di Nei Jing Tai Su, I believe. SHL/JGYL were ignored for a long time in Japan, too until the Koho- people revived it with a vengeance. Zhang Ji is sort of like the J.S. Bach of herbal medicine, I think, in that Bach's work was ignored for years too before it became the object of ardent study... > > I would also be interested to hear from where your > information comes. I am guessing that you use kampo > in clinical practice. I do use some Kampo, but more on the level of enthusiatic student than any kind of authority. I'm just book-larned at this point, maybe I'll try to arrange some Kampo study when I go to Japan again. In addition to the titles available in English, there are some in Japanese... my hobby is buying books which I can barely read (ie in Japanese) and trying to decode them. My current fave is Ikeda Masakazu, a classical scholar-physician who practices acumoxa and kampo, and sort of has his own syncretic system. I've got my eye on a few of the kampo books in the Ido no Nihon catalog, though as Fukushima Kodo once lamented, " when you're treating you're not studying, and when you're studying you're not treating " ... Really nice to talk with both you and Todd. ===== regards, Robert Hayden, Dipl. Ac. kampo36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 1999 Report Share Posted November 2, 1999 Could anyone direct me to serious, high-quality correspondence courses/schools for the development of herbalism and/or homeopathy? I'm unable to travel to acquire the education I desire, but I am determined to expand my knowledge and abilities in these areas. Thank you in advance for your help. Respectfully, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 1999 Report Share Posted November 2, 1999 Mark- Try The School of Homeopathy out of Devon, England. They now have sites in the US for the practical component. Gina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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