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In a message dated 99-04-19 19:56:44 EDT, you write:

 

<< This offer came through a therapist I've known for several years, and

trust. Without going into the whole conversation we had this morning, what

I'd appreciate from listees is some insight into the taking of/experience of

LSD. >>

 

I don't know what type of therapist you have, but I would not EVER consider

taking an hallucinogen (especially one which never leaves your system BTW) to

try to 'explore' or 'break down' my 'unshakable' defenses. To me, this

sounds like using an atomic bomb, when a heat pack would do. I would also

never see any therapist who suggested this type of situation ever again.

Sounds like it's time to explore alright, explore other types of therapies or

therapists.

 

I know I promised to mostly lurk on this list, but this struck a button. Of

course, this is all my own opinion (approximately $.02 worth).

 

Karen O.

Livermore, CA

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As the clock ticked over midnight, it's my 41st birthday ... What an

appropriate moment to ask for some thoughts from a wise list.

 

This is a genuine request for advice, wisdom, information.

 

Before the query, some background. My interest in body-mind is primarily selfish

- I'm on the hunt for growth, answers, understanding etc. The more I know, the

clearer I see, the more I can offer others, too – but first, me. I have to be

honest about this!

 

Low self-esteem, bad body image, self-loathing etc - usual cocktail of stuff.

Parents both alcoholic, women in the family all obsessed with body image and the

consensus reality of 'feminine' behaviour. that's all - no abuse, no trauma.

Just steady diet of negative criticism. Lots of years to build up feet-thick

defences, and, perversely, turn myself into the 'monster' that I understood

myself to be as an adolescent. Now trying to unravel the knots - but my

41-year-old body-mind is cunning and quick and strong and patient. So ...

 

I've been offered the opportunity to explore my (so far) unshakable body armour

and extremely efficient mental defences, using LSD. This offer came through a

therapist I've known for several years, and trust. Without going into the whole

conversation we had this morning, what I'd appreciate from listees is some

insight into the taking of/experience of LSD.

 

I'm not in the habit of drug-taking - not so much as a hash brownie.

 

Please don't go into the legal aspects - it's the

physiological/emotional/spiritual aspects I need to know more about.

 

Any constructive help and support would be very much appreciated. Flaming and

judgemental comments wouldn't.

 

thanks

 

Arabella

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My advice is against this. I tried LSD as a young girl. (many years ago as I

am older than you) and I cannot see that it broke open any armours at all. In

fact I would say that it may hamper your spiritual healing. But thats just my

opinion. Gut.

Sherri

 

abs wrote:

 

> abs

>

> As the clock ticked over midnight, it's my 41st birthday ... What an

appropriate moment to ask for some thoughts from a wise list.

>

> This is a genuine request for advice, wisdom, information.

>

> Before the query, some background. My interest in body-mind is primarily

selfish - I'm on the hunt for growth, answers, understanding etc. The more I

know, the clearer I see, the more I can offer others, too – but first, me. I

have to be honest about this!

>

> Low self-esteem, bad body image, self-loathing etc - usual cocktail of stuff.

Parents both alcoholic, women in the family all obsessed with body image and the

consensus reality of 'feminine' behaviour. that's all - no abuse, no trauma.

Just steady diet of negative criticism. Lots of years to build up feet-thick

defences, and, perversely, turn myself into the 'monster' that I understood

myself to be as an adolescent. Now trying to unravel the knots - but my

41-year-old body-mind is cunning and quick and strong and patient. So ...

>

> I've been offered the opportunity to explore my (so far) unshakable body

armour and extremely efficient mental defences, using LSD. This offer came

through a therapist I've known for several years, and trust. Without going into

the whole conversation we had this morning, what I'd appreciate from listees is

some insight into the taking of/experience of LSD.

>

> I'm not in the habit of drug-taking - not so much as a hash brownie.

>

> Please don't go into the legal aspects - it's the

physiological/emotional/spiritual aspects I need to know more about.

>

> Any constructive help and support would be very much appreciated. Flaming and

judgemental comments wouldn't.

>

> thanks

>

> Arabella

>

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abs

 

" Without going into the whole conversation we had this morning, what I'd

appreciate from listees is some insight into the taking of/experience of LSD. "

 

I would like to hear the conversation, especially if the person spoke to you

as a therapist... I am intrigued as to how he would justify such a thing. Is

s/he going to be your trusted monitor on the trip? Will s/he be tripping

with you? What is your experience with drugs? Grass(I know you said no

hashish, even in brownies)?

 

Rather than just saying, " No, there are other drugs that are better, " I need

more info.

If you are going to experiment with drugs for the reasons you mentioned, LSD

is a bad place to start. Mescaline would be more helpful or even peyote.. If

your therapist has access to LSD, I feel confident s/he has access to those

two. LSD just ain't worth the risk even in a safe environment.

 

One of my high school buddies was burned so badly on bad acid(appropriate

name for LSD), in 1968, he is still institutionalised in MA... I have

experience with mesc and peyote (the last time in '71, mind you) but, because

of knowing a few harmed by LSD, passed on that one...

 

Roberto

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hmmm. all good points so far on the lsd. i'm curious why, with all the

options out there, this therapist would choose to recommend lsd - a totally

unnatural substance? if you are truly interested in exploring in that way, i

would hesitate at such a harsh introduction. there are other options. shamans

have long used herbal mixtures and various psybicillic (sp?) mushrooms as

doorways - both to other lands and further into the body.

 

i understand that you like and trust this therapist, but i think offering lsd

to someone with little-no experience in this realm is rather like

blindfolding a child, walking them deep into the forest and then telling them

to find their way home again.

 

research this before you jump in. using any sort of altering substance

requires a good anchor in this world. make sure you have that.

 

walk carefully.

 

--greta

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hey abs -

 

DON'T DO IT!!!

 

listen to Ged, I'm talking from personal experience here. I've taken acid,

had some fine and illuminating trips and one bad trip that was HELL ON THIS

PLANET. Acid doesn't change, it amplifies, and it lets what should be over

*here* go over there. A great way of getting rid of barriers like a hand

grenade in the mouth is a great cure for headaches...

 

__

Ged

 

ps are you doing Gerry next Friday?

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> " Without going into the whole conversation we had this morning, what I'd

> appreciate from listees is some insight into the taking of/experience of

LSD.

> "

I have never done a drug, so maybe I am not the one to address this. But I

*have* done breathwork. And I have been told by many that breathwork is very

similar to an LSD trip. There can be openings and rebirthings and reliving of

old events and all that stuff. The big difference is that if it gets to be

too much, with breathwork, you have options. You can simply open your eyes,

sit up, and it all stops. With LSD you do not have this option.

 

And with LSD, I hear tell that years later you can have flashbacks like

tripping all over again without ingesting the drug again. Any time, any

place. Scary.

 

I would sure be looking into the history of any " therapist " who is pushing

this powerful drug.

 

Anukki

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> " Without going into the whole conversation we had this morning, what I'd

> > appreciate from listees is some insight into the taking of/experience of

> LSD.

> > "

> I have never done a drug, so maybe I am not the one to address this. But I

> *have* done breathwork. And I have been told by many that breathwork is very

> similar to an LSD trip. There can be openings and rebirthings and reliving of

> old events and all that stuff. The big difference is that if it gets to be

> too much, with breathwork, you have options. You can simply open your eyes,

> sit up, and it all stops. With LSD you do not have this option.

>

 

I can second that. I have had some pretty interesting experiences doing

emotional release/breathwork and indeed during some deep tissue

sessions.

 

>

> And with LSD, I hear tell that years later you can have flashbacks like

> tripping all over again without ingesting the drug again. Any time, any

> place. Scary.

>

 

My friends who have taken LSD advise us who haven't to stay away from

the stuff. Chocolate and coffee are as about as far as I go with drugs.

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