Guest guest Posted April 13, 1999 Report Share Posted April 13, 1999 Well, this was interesting; I am on this guy's email list (he is a night walker) and just thought that you might be interested in his comment, here, which seemed kind of oddly germaine to our discussion of dark corners here. > Hi, all, > > I don't often get direct quotes from Goddess, but when I do I tend > to pass them on to as many people as I can. Last night she woke > me from a sound sleep and told me to write this down. See what > it means to you. > > " Sometimes candles have to find their own dark places. " > > Philip > > Pour Le Sangraal Et Pour Le Sang Raal > I'd like to add, that the brightest candles can cast the deepest shadows ;-) -- Blessings, Caro -- Caroline Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT Energywork * Holistic Nursing * Shamanism " A Nurturing Touch " http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5114/ Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 1999 Report Share Posted April 13, 1999 In a message dated 99-04-12 19:41:40 EDT, you write: > Through meditation, I try to bring en-light-enment to my own dark corners. Often times, when can put a name to our fears, bring our shame to the light of understanding, these things begin to lose power over us. And, as you've said, we come to realize that most of us do have our dark corners. They may not be the same fears/shames that others have, and yet they may be similar.>> The problem doing dark corners with meditation is there is no witness. Being a witness or having a witness is much more empowering to me. Having witnessed people confronting their stuff(dark corners) and worst fears at the Cancer Self Help and Education Center and having people witness me dealing with my " stuff " and worst fears really helped in my process of getting over the fear and shame. When I mention not wanting to share " dark corners " , it comes more from a not knowing you and how you would start to deal with me rather than my feeling fear and shame surrounding my stuff. My stuff has been put out there.. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 1999 Report Share Posted April 13, 1999 > Actually at the risk of sounding flippant, may I say that this Brit, > bombarded as he is by Oprah and Montel and Rikki and Jerry, is *dreadfully* > relieved to find Americans can still do discreet...;-) My experience of those shows has been that everyone is all about " You did this and You are that " while there is very little of " I feel and I think. " My dark corners have to do with me. " I think " and " I feel. " And why is it that five minutes after getting a bodymind list started, we are on about dark corners? Are they that all pervasive? Anukki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 1999 Report Share Posted April 13, 1999 Caroline Abreu wrote: > > " Sometimes candles have to find their own dark places. " > > > > Philip > I'd like to add, that the brightest candles can cast the deepest > shadows ;-) .....and I would like to add: As we move and grow towards the light, we leave the dark shadows behind us. Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 1999 Report Share Posted April 13, 1999 Annuki I'm sorry! Here was me thinking I was doing the decent thing by not speaking 'till I had something relevant to say; if I'd known I was making you uncomfortable I'd've spoken up sooner. As good a chance as any to do the intro tho'. Hello, I'm Ged, I've been a professional masseur on and off (mostly off) since 1988. The bodymind connection has a poignant relevance for me 'cos I began in a clinic where the average age of the client was around 65 and there was a clear correlation between attitude and decrepitude - although I admit that correlation could go either way, my working hypothesis is that attitude affects health. Doesn't sound that earth shattering when you write it down... I've had a look at Reich; even worked some of his techniques into my massage work but the release was just too violent - had a bloke screaming with rage and grief for nearly an hour once, and tho' he thanked me very nicely afterwards it rattled me for a week. I stopped doing Reich. At the moment I'm having a look at Lowen and Feldenkrais, but I'm effectively working on my own up here which (for me) is heavy slog. Although I started out as a psychiatric nurse, most of my mind work has been in meditation (Osho), where I have met many a chattering monkey. The Hindus, as ever, are too kind; Perls' 'thug within' would be closer to the truth. At the moment I'm in the same position with 'bioenergy' as I am with the kinetic energy of a moving bus - I understand neither, but I know it's unwise to play with them. I'm not convinced that 'bioenergy' won't have to give way to 'inter-connectedness' anyway. And yes, of course, we all got our dark corners, although I'm reminded of my mother's true and genuine fear of spiders - she'd come running into us screaming that there was a monster in the kitchen and we'd find a spider in there less than half an inch across and I swear to God grinning at us. That's been my experience with emotional / mental bugs - monsters 'till you go look at them, then just bugs. >I am more than hesitant to share mine. Actually at the risk of sounding flippant, may I say that this Brit, bombarded as he is by Oprah and Montel and Rikki and Jerry, is *dreadfully* relieved to find Americans can still do discreet...;-) __ Ged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 1999 Report Share Posted April 13, 1999 Anukki wrote: > And why is it that five minutes after getting a bodymind list started, we are > on about dark corners? Are they that all pervasive? Of course they are, Little Anu! Although, if you are shaped like me, there are very few corners, but lots of shadows ;-) I think that darkness is an integral part of who we are. I also think that we like to avoid our own darkness like the plague, until we find out how much fun it is. Isn't there a Shel Silverstein book called something like " Turn On the Moon " about a kid who is afraid of the dark? Or is it Maurice Sendak? It was a favorite of mine. Now I've got to look it up... Oh, by the way, the caterpillar book is " Hope for the Flowers " , by Trina Paulus. Can you tell I am a children's book fanatic? If I could fit in those little chairs they wouldn't be able to shoo me out of storytime at the library! In Good Health, Caro -- Caroline Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT Energywork * Holistic Nursing * Shamanism " A Nurturing Touch " http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5114/ Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool. Don't get even... get odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 1999 Report Share Posted April 13, 1999 At 03:15 PM 4/13/99 EDT, you wrote: >Anukki >And why is it that five minutes after getting a bodymind list started, we are >on about dark corners? Are they that all pervasive? <Peering into my own dark corners>...yuh huh! Huggies, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 Hi List. My name is Alain Gougeon. I am a systems analyst, with some background in Yoga, Reflexology, Polarity Therapy, and light knowledge on many other body/mind subjects (like who not today...). Being curious, and not very practical, i have more of a " book " knowledge than a practical one. I hope i will be able to get a better grasp at what we are, bodies and minds, energy in diferent states, and this list is really like an aged desire that became true. I hope to learn something here, as i guess you all do too. I am french, 31 years old, married, 2 daughters, and am living in Montevideo, South america. Please excuse any mistakes or funny sentences. I have just d to the list, i am catching up with the archives, and there are several things that i want to ask, but for now i would like to make just one short question about Crow's comment: > I think that darkness is an integral part of who we are. I also think that we > like to avoid > our own darkness like the plague, until we find out how much fun it is. Wow. Fun? It hasn't been such to me. Maybe it is some particular problem to me, but facing the dark of me is a challenge. It means sorrow, pain, trouble, a lot of effort, and in the end, liberation, that's true (nodding as i am writing, i could almost forget that part...). but fun? Maybe i should try... Any recomendations as of how to switch to the fun mode? ----- Alain Gougeon Analista de Sistemas Montevideo, Uruguay, América del Sur ajmg http://members.tripod.com/Alain_Gougeon _____ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 1999 Report Share Posted April 15, 1999 Alain Gougeon wrote: > I have just d to the list, i am catching up with the archives, and > there are several things that i want to ask, but for now i would like to > make just one short question about Crow's comment: > > > I think that darkness is an integral part of who we are. I also think > that we > > like to avoid > > our own darkness like the plague, until we find out how much fun it is. > > Wow. Fun? It hasn't been such to me. Maybe it is some particular problem to > me, but facing the dark of me is a challenge. It means sorrow, pain, > trouble, a lot of effort, and in the end, liberation, that's true (nodding > as i am writing, i could almost forget that part...). but fun? Maybe i > should try... Any recomendations as of how to switch to the fun mode? Alain, I am very glad to see you. I had been missing you on Body_Work, and wondered where you had wandered off to. Good you are with us here. I suppose it sounds rather insane to call this process fun, what Peter Gabriel calls " digging in the dirt to find the places we got hurt " ... maybe 'fun' is too flippant a word... maybe pleasureable is not good, either. Hmm. I think what I am trying to say, Alain, is that it is satisfying, like a good workout or a hard day's sweaty labor. At the end, you are sore, but glad you did it. That children's book I spoke of (and I still haven't found the author or title to it) was a story of a young boy who must always have a light on of some sort, like a candle or a flashlight, and kept on all the lights in the house all night. He would never go out and play with the other children in the dark. Then, one night, a dark girl came to see him, and taught him how to " turn on the night " by slowly embracing the beauty of the darkness and the mystery of the moon and stars. In the end, he joined her and the other children, laughing and playing in the shadows of the trees. In Good Health, Caro -- Caroline Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT Energywork * Holistic Nursing * Shamanism " A Nurturing Touch " http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5114/ Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool. Don't get even... get odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 1999 Report Share Posted April 15, 1999 > Hi Alain! WElcome, You wrote: > Wow. Fun? It hasn't been such to me. Maybe it is some particular problem to > me, but facing the dark of me is a challenge. It means sorrow, pain, > trouble, a lot of effort, and in the end, liberation, that's true (nodding > as i am writing, i could almost forget that part...). but fun? Maybe i > should try... Any recomendations as of how to switch to the fun mode? Well look how much trouble it causes trying to keep it hidden. If you jump right into the middle of them with gusto...it really becomes easier and lightens your spirit and that in turn makes you happier. Now I ask you truly.... isn't things that lightens your spirit and makes you happier fun?? Well why should shadows be any different. eh? Sherri > > > ----- > Alain Gougeon > Analista de Sistemas > Montevideo, Uruguay, América del Sur > ajmg > http://members.tripod.com/Alain_Gougeon > > _____ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > ------ > Did you know that ONElist hosts some of the largest lists on the Internet? > http://www.ONElist.com > Our scaleable system is the most reliable free e-mail service on the Internet! > ------ > Know thyself. Join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 1999 Report Share Posted April 17, 1999 In a message dated 99-04-12 13:05:30 EDT, you write: << We all got our dark corners. I wonder if we would be here if we didn't have them. >> How boring we would all be if we didn't have the dark corners to cause us to grow. Karen O. Livermore, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 1999 Report Share Posted April 17, 1999 KarenOCMT wrote: > KarenOCMT > << We all got our dark corners. I wonder if we would be here if we didn't > have them. >> > How boring we would all be if we didn't have the dark corners to cause us to > grow. I would like to quote from Erich Schiffmann's book " Yoga, The Spirit and Practice of Moving Into Stillness " . (.......indicates a clip of words for brevity) " It is only because growth hurts when you resist change and most of us have an inclination to resist change in an attempt to remain comfortable by staying the same. But life is change. Changes happens.......You grow You can't not change. That's just the way it is.........Therefore, in order to stay comfortable as you grow, you must flow with the changes and not attempt to remain the same- just as you buy a new pair of shoes for your son or daughter when their feet have outgrown the pair they've been wearing..........you get rid of the old ones and buy a new pair. .......But the reason you need new ones is that their feet have grown. Growth has occurred.......Pain is not an inherent part of being a foot, nor is it an inherent part of growth. Your feet cannot be comfortable in a pair of shoes that has become too small. Nor can an emerging flower be comfortable by staying inside its protective husk that has gradually become too tight.....Nor can you be comfortable in old belief structures and limited self concepts. You must slough off the husk and allow yourself to open and bloom. You must willingly let go of any belief structure that limits your awareness and causes your experience of growth to be painful. You must let go of that which until now has been a protective coating or shield and bloom. With the blooming will come a new sense of self and new appreciation for life. .........Defensiveness, or shielding is what creates the discomfort associated with growth. Changes start happening, changes that may not always be initially welcome, and rather than flow with the change and grow, many of us choose to stop the process and stave off the change in an attempt to remain the same a little longer. We contract in order to protect ourselves......The is because that which is good for us is not always recognized as such right off the bat. It's not uncommon to become fearful, defensive, and self protective, to mistrust the process and revert to old ways of being. The problem with doing this, however, you discover, is that it hurts MORE not to change...........And when you are no longer resisting growth, it will be experienced by you as less traumatic and more joyful. It feels good to go with the flow and grow.........It's difficult to want something, even if its' good for you, , if you think you'll feel worse as a result of having it. Therefore, we must be very alert for self-deception. How much of your pursuit of truth is tainted or twisted by what you want that truth to be? ........The problem though is that we don't exactly know what will make us happy..........When you do experience your truth, free of every idea you now believe about yourself and free of every hope you have about what that truth is, you will spontaneously feel exquisite inside and be happy. " so....if you really watch yourself, you will see the truth of these words. Change itself is not painful...our limitations and reactions/thougths about it causes the pain. ...say one knows they are about to be fired.......all the the negatives/fears run thru their head...and they contract... and it causes extreme misery and worry. But they get fired regardless......and evenutally end up getting a better job that they love. Look at the the unneccessary grief they caused 'themselves' by resisting a change that was inevitable. Or even if they didn't get a better job...the grief they cause within is from the resistance.........not the change itself. Sherri > > > Karen O. > Livermore, CA > > ------ > Did you know that knowledge is power? > http://www.ONElist.com > Join a new ONElist e-mail community and strengthen your mind! > ------ > Know thyself. Join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 1999 Report Share Posted April 17, 1999 In a message dated 4/17/99 4:39:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, seer7 writes: << Just a matter of your attitude about it. I personally like change....(at least MOST change) grin. there are some things I am still rigid about changing......but thats changing......... >> If I didn't like change,( or at the very least accept it),I would have never entered the wonderful calling of bodywork....and be the happy, contented elightened individual I am today. Vive le Change! just .02 on a Saturday night.....Song Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 1999 Report Share Posted April 17, 1999 > I would like to quote from Erich Schiffmann's book " Yoga, The Spirit and > Practice of Moving Into Stillness " . (.......indicates a clip of words for > brevity) " It is only because growth hurts when you resist change and most of > us have an inclination to resist change in an attempt to remain comfortable by > staying the same. But life is change. Changes happens. > The only people who seem to like change are wet babies. I have had a lot of changes in the last 10 years and I am certain more are to come in the next few. There are times when I leap into the change and times when I want a rest, but yeah things are going to happen sooner or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 1999 Report Share Posted April 17, 1999 " Lee Dronick, HHP " wrote: The only people who seem to like change are wet babies. Just a matter of your attitude about it. I personally like change....(at least MOST change) grin. there are some things I am still rigid about changing......but thats changing......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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