Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Hi Everyone, Does anyone know if there is a plan of attck for chronic fatigue immune deficency syndrome? And all of the yuckies that tag along with it... Doc Ian... Have you had success treating anyone with this disorder? Not much rain here still in Arizona...Chaparral is dry as dry can be God Bless, Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 There are many plans of attack for CFS, but none of them work consistently for every patient. That's a worldwide problem. I to a CFS research list called COCURE, which has no discussion and only sends out technical and political activist bulletins. Lots of studies are being done on a weekly basis, and still not one factor is emerging as a universal cause. (Let's not even get started on the political implications of this syndrome.) I personally believe that each case of CFS is a matrix of many factors in varying degrees. Many patients have had chemical exposures which seriously compromised their immune systems. Most of them have someone in their lives who is constantly invalidating or undercutting them. One new finding indicates that most have excess cerebrospinal fluid. I have not yet seen an Ayurvedic perspective on this, which would be fascinating. A few of my clients have been diagnosed with CFS or more commonly Fibromyalgia, and they are constantly being whipsawed between advice from doctors and from various alternative educators like myself. They don't know where to turn, because medical regimens tend to provide some relief for a while, and then don't work anymore for no discernible reason; or end up having unacceptable side effects. Alternative approaches are attractive to them, but while they're waiting for results the pain can be literally unbearabl! e -- and it's often difficult to judge whether or not a particular technique is working in the meantime. Nutritional approaches are revealing some possibilities, and i'm currently collecting any information found on that aspect. I think nutrition will be impossible to study using present academic protocols in relation to CFS because of all the other variables. There have been some glowing testimonials circulating concerning certain nutriceutical products, including Pygnogenol, Microhydrin, HGH, SAM-E, and MSM. I'm not sure that any of these products, some of which are proprietary, will consistently work for all patients. - SPARERIBAZ herbal remedies 8/10/01 8:39:15 AM [herbal remedies] CFS - Ian Hi Everyone, Does anyone know if there is a plan of attck for chronic fatigue immune deficency syndrome? And all of the yuckies that tag along with it... Doc Ian... Have you had success treating anyone with this disorder? Not much rain here still in Arizona...Chaparral is dry as dry can be God Bless, Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 I've never had a case to handle as yet, but you know me, I'd put them through the basic Total Body Cleanse Program and then fine tune it from there. Perhaps others have handled such a case. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington Hi Everyone, Does anyone know if there is a plan of attck for chronic fatigue immune deficency syndrome? And all of the yuckies that tag along with it... Doc Ian... Have you had success treating anyone with this disorder? Not much rain here still in Arizona...Chaparral is dry as dry can be God Bless, Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Although I've never treated a case of CFS, I can't help believe that the cause is the same as the cause of all disease. . .toxins. The key to successful treatment would seem to be a complete body cleanse. It is my opinion that the reason no one seems to have much success treating it is that they want it to go away in a week or a month and that's not gonna happen. To successfully detoxify the complete body without causing a healing crisis may take up to 2 years or even more if the person is extremely toxic. You have to cleanse a little, build a little, and all through the treatment be sure there aren't any infections cropping up to tear down the progress you've made. Just my 2 cents worth. Jennie Michael Riversong wrote: There are many plans of attack for CFS, but none of them work consistently for every patient. That's a worldwide problem. I to a CFS research list called COCURE, which has no discussion and only sends out technical and political activist bulletins. Lots of studies are being done on a weekly basis, and still not one factor is emerging as a universal cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Jenny and Doc, this is my approach also. You gotta cleanse. My mum has fibromyalgia, was in terrible pain, so I sent her some herbs. (sily me, never treat family!). They didnt do much,- too little too late- I recommended she find a local naturopath to work with,- she lives a long way away- and she found a Chinese medical doctor who was both herbalist and orthodox. It wasnt long before she was on steroids, and CHinese medicine. SHe has been on steroids for over a year, the side effects are worse than the fibromyalgia, but when ever she tries to get off the steroids, her own system wont kick in, and she cant get off them. She is trying a very slow decrease, and its very painful. And thats just getting off the steroids, noithing to do with the fibromyalgia they are masking. She was never prepared to do a cleanse, give up her morning 3 coffees, her cigarettes, her daily wine, or change her diet much. She still wants a miracle quick fix, after several years of suffering with this. I feel for her, but theres nothing I can do but love her anyway. In her case, she had a full hysterectomy at age 26 due to ovarian cysts, and has been on hormone replacement therapy ever since. Her Chinese doctor thinks that the long term use of the hormones, and her bodies lack of natural ones, may have caused the fibromyalgia. So, I agree, it can be caused my many things. As for the Ayurvedic approach Michael, I was reading the other day in one of my Ayurvedic books, the author was saying people with chronic fatigue have a long term pattern of overdoing it, of thrashing their energy, and when they get the slightest remission, they will go overboard again and again. I have a friend who has had CFS for 10 years or so. I told her what the book said, and she agreed- she said her whole lesson in this life seems to be how to balance her energy, not to go to extremes. She has been a macrobiotic teacher for years now, she has done the cleanses, and she still has days she has to go to bed, but now mostly she is ok- if she doesnt overdo it! Its a complex issue, but I would always begin with cleansing. love Peela --- Jennie <silvermist2 wrote: > Although I've never treated a case of CFS, I can't > help believe that the > cause is the same as the cause of all disease. . > .toxins. The key to > successful treatment would seem to be a complete > body cleanse. It is my > opinion that the reason no one seems to have much > success treating it is > that they want it to go away in a week or a month > and that's not gonna > happen. To successfully detoxify the complete body > without causing a > healing crisis may take up to 2 years or even more > if the person is > extremely toxic. You have to cleanse a little, > build a little, and all > through the treatment be sure there aren't any > infections cropping up to > tear down the progress you've made. > Just my 2 cents worth. > Jennie > > Michael Riversong wrote: > > > There are many plans of attack for CFS, but none > of them work > > consistently for every patient. That's a > worldwide problem. I > > to a CFS research list called COCURE, > which has no > > discussion and only sends out technical and > political activist > > bulletins. Lots of studies are being done on a > weekly basis, and > > still not one factor is emerging as a universal > cause. > ===== May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on. Traditional Blessing Send instant messages & get email alerts with Messenger. http://im./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 A good two cents there Jennie. I might add that every cell in the body replaces itself within two years (through mitosis), including brain cells and bone cells. If one were to work at it with dedication, he or she could rebuild an entirely healthy body in only two years. Not bad, considering it took most of us 20 to 30 years to get messed up. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Jennie herbal remedies Friday, August 10, 2001 3:13 PM Re: [herbal remedies] CFS - Ian Although I've never treated a case of CFS, I can't help believe that the cause is the same as the cause of all disease. . .toxins. The key to successful treatment would seem to be a complete body cleanse. It is my opinion that the reason no one seems to have much success treating it is that they want it to go away in a week or a month and that's not gonna happen. To successfully detoxify the complete body without causing a healing crisis may take up to 2 years or even more if the person is extremely toxic. You have to cleanse a little, build a little, and all through the treatment be sure there aren't any infections cropping up to tear down the progress you've made. Just my 2 cents worth. Jennie Michael Riversong wrote: There are many plans of attack for CFS, but none of them work consistently for every patient. That's a worldwide problem. I to a CFS research list called COCURE, which has no discussion and only sends out technical and political activist bulletins. Lots of studies are being done on a weekly basis, and still not one factor is emerging as a universal cause.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Yup! I know what you mean Peela about treating family. Will my family make use of my services? Absolutely not. My brother has colitis (a snap to handle), both of my sisters and my brother had cataract operations (a 2 to 3 month program) and my brother inlaw has an enlarged prostate which could be handled so easily. Will they ask me for one teeney weeney bit of help? No way Jose, they'd rather see a surgeon with a knife in his hands before calling on me ( All I can do is love 'em. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Peela herbal remedies Friday, August 10, 2001 6:44 PM Re: [herbal remedies] CFS - Ian Jenny and Doc, this is my approach also. You gottacleanse.My mum has fibromyalgia, was in terrible pain, so Isent her some herbs. (sily me, never treat family!).They didnt do much,- too little too late- Irecommended she find a local naturopath to work with,-she lives a long way away- and she found a Chinesemedical doctor who was both herbalist and orthodox. Itwasnt long before she was on steroids, and CHinesemedicine. SHe has been on steroids for over a year,the side effects are worse than the fibromyalgia, butwhen ever she tries to get off the steroids, her ownsystem wont kick in, and she cant get off them. She istrying a very slow decrease, and its very painful. Andthats just getting off the steroids, noithing to dowith the fibromyalgia they are masking.She was never prepared to do a cleanse, give up hermorning 3 coffees, her cigarettes, her daily wine, orchange her diet much. She still wants a miracle quickfix, after several years of suffering with this. Ifeel for her, but theres nothing I can do but love heranyway. In her case, she had a full hysterectomy at age 26 dueto ovarian cysts, and has been on hormone replacementtherapy ever since. Her Chinese doctor thinks that thelong term use of the hormones, and her bodies lack ofnatural ones, may have caused the fibromyalgia.So, I agree, it can be caused my many things.As for the Ayurvedic approach Michael, I was readingthe other day in one of my Ayurvedic books, the authorwas saying people with chronic fatigue have a longterm pattern of overdoing it, of thrashing theirenergy, and when they get the slightest remission,they will go overboard again and again.I have a friend who has had CFS for 10 years or so. Itold her what the book said, and she agreed- she saidher whole lesson in this life seems to be how tobalance her energy, not to go to extremes. She hasbeen a macrobiotic teacher for years now, she has donethe cleanses, and she still has days she has to go tobed, but now mostly she is ok- if she doesnt overdoit!Its a complex issue, but I would always begin withcleansing.lovePeela--- Jennie <silvermist2 wrote:> Although I've never treated a case of CFS, I can't> help believe that the> cause is the same as the cause of all disease. .> .toxins. The key to> successful treatment would seem to be a complete> body cleanse. It is my> opinion that the reason no one seems to have much> success treating it is> that they want it to go away in a week or a month> and that's not gonna> happen. To successfully detoxify the complete body> without causing a> healing crisis may take up to 2 years or even more> if the person is> extremely toxic. You have to cleanse a little,> build a little, and all> through the treatment be sure there aren't any> infections cropping up to> tear down the progress you've made.> Just my 2 cents worth. > Jennie> > Michael Riversong wrote:> > > There are many plans of attack for CFS, but none> of them work> > consistently for every patient. That's a> worldwide problem. I> > to a CFS research list called COCURE,> which has no> > discussion and only sends out technical and> political activist> > bulletins. Lots of studies are being done on a> weekly basis, and> > still not one factor is emerging as a universal> cause.> =====May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on.Traditional BlessingSend instant messages & get email alerts with Messenger.http://im./Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 I am far from being an ND, but I know what you mean! My husband now agrees with me on all the natural healing stuff, but he is still not sure on the no-vaccines-ever thing... But I know his family thinks I am a freak and although my mom and brother say they like the natural approach, they always go for the meds first... Sindeadriving Washington nuts since 1991... Yup! I know what you mean Peela about treating family. Will my family make use of my services? Absolutely not. My brother has colitis (a snap to handle), both of my sisters and my brother had cataract operations (a 2 to 3 month program) and my brother inlaw has an enlarged prostate which could be handled so easily. Will they ask me for one teeney weeney bit of help? No way Jose, they'd rather see a surgeon with a knife in his hands before calling on me ( All I can do is love 'em. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 CFS can be as a result of an emotional or physical cause such as a shock/grief situation which can cause the body to close/shut down or after flu/glandular fever(=mono in the US). As such it isn't easy to treat Possibly a good combination of herbs and homeopathy (especially if there is an emotional component) would be worth considering. Also a natural 'good' diet and supplements to boost. Acupuncture has also helped Whatever, be prepared for spending some time and money on therapists as well as doing what you can nutritionally. There is no overnight cure but you can be helped janice herbal remedies, " SPARERIBAZ " <spareribaz@M...> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Does anyone know if there is a plan of attck for chronic fatigue immune deficency syndrome? And all of the yuckies that tag along with it... > > Doc Ian... Have you had success treating anyone with this disorder? > > Not much rain here still in Arizona...Chaparral is dry as dry can be > > God Bless, > Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Are you referring to germ warfare here? I have read about that some in relation to CFS & other disorders... God Bless, Jamie - Michael Riversong herbal remedies Friday, August 10, 2001 12:00 PM RE: [herbal remedies] CFS - Ian There are many plans of attack for CFS, but none of them work consistently for every patient. That's a worldwide problem. I to a CFS research list called COCURE, which has no discussion and only sends out technical and political activist bulletins. Lots of studies are being done on a weekly basis, and still not one factor is emerging as a universal cause. (Let's not even get started on the political implications of this syndrome.) I personally believe that each case of CFS is a matrix of many factors in varying degrees. Many patients have had chemical exposures which seriously compromised their immune systems. Most of them have someone in their lives who is constantly invalidating or undercutting them. One new finding indicates that most have excess cerebrospinal fluid. I have not yet seen an Ayurvedic perspective on this, which would be fascinating. A few of my clients have been diagnosed with CFS or more commonly Fibromyalgia, and they are constantly being whipsawed between advice from doctors and from various alternative educators like myself. They don't know where to turn, because medical regimens tend to provide some relief for a while, and then don't work anymore for no discernible reason; or end up having unacceptable side effects. Alternative approaches are attractive to them, but while they're waiting for results the pain can be literally unbearabl! e -- and it's often difficult to judge whether or not a particular technique is working in the meantime. Nutritional approaches are revealing some possibilities, and i'm currently collecting any information found on that aspect. I think nutrition will be impossible to study using present academic protocols in relation to CFS because of all the other variables. There have been some glowing testimonials circulating concerning certain nutriceutical products, including Pygnogenol, Microhydrin, HGH, SAM-E, and MSM. I'm not sure that any of these products, some of which are proprietary, will consistently work for all patients. - SPARERIBAZ herbal remedies 8/10/01 8:39:15 AM [herbal remedies] CFS - Ian Hi Everyone, Does anyone know if there is a plan of attck for chronic fatigue immune deficency syndrome? And all of the yuckies that tag along with it... Doc Ian... Have you had success treating anyone with this disorder? Not much rain here still in Arizona...Chaparral is dry as dry can be God Bless, JamieFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 No, i don't think CFS is a germ warfare thing. I think we're largely doing it to ourselves, mostly unwittingly, with over-use of common household chemicals combined with very stressful lives. One report that came over the wire said that there is an estimate of up to 1/3rd of Japan's population with this condition. I could believe that, since their lives are even more stressful than Americans'. - SPARERIBAZ herbal remedies 8/11/01 8:21:55 AM Re: [herbal remedies] CFS - Ian Are you referring to germ warfare here? I have read about that some in relation to CFS & other disorders... God Bless, Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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