Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 It has been of my observation (though doubtfully unique), that since I have been studying the different healing modalities, that it is difficult to stay open-minded, and not be a little gullible at the same time. The same human characteristic that makes John & Mary Doe watch the evening news, and either throw up their hands in confused frustration, or all of the druggie commercials, and pound their doctors into submission, can also apply on this side of the " fence " . For instance, Pearly (not picking) may be desperate enough to try anything, and not spend alot of time researching, so if (for instance) ear candles ARE dangerous, this may not only turn her against this type of info medium, but perhaps cause her to have compounded problems, and needless suffering! (Just an example, so don't get into a shielded dual )) Also, The naturopaths are disagreeing with the homeopaths, who are disagreeing with the Clark-arians, who are disagreeing with the converted M.D.'s, who are disagreeing with the folk healers, who are disagreeing with the Schulze-er's, who are disagreeing with the allopaths, who are disagreeing with almost anyone on this " side " !! Some recent examples that isn't us collectively against them, it's us against you-and-you-and-you-and...: A certain alternative following has " zappers " to help rid themselves of parasites as part of their regimen to better health, along with specific liver flushes; they are getting hammered hard by " Quackbusters " , which oddly consists of at least 1 naturopath, too! Most everyone has heard that soy is good for you but adult " intended " soy products (namely soy milk) should not be given to infants, as it contains too much manganese, and can cause overdose, but now, certain people/groups are saying that soy is dangerous for long term use period; and others, are saying that soy formulas " have a 60 yr. history of safe use " !! This is coming (pro and con0 from both sides, and all points in-between! **this just in: (courtesy of the Animal Planet " channel): Lady bugs are taking over homes in Tennessee, and parts of England where they have been used to eliminate aphids, etc., but now are being pests (that when they outnumber the food, apparently try YOU!). What to do, what to do!!** Okay, now that I've lost my train of thought...most things, if misinformed, you'll have a little reaction to, listen to your body, stop, and straighten out; but, others, you may do some permanent damage (ie. whether or not to ingest chaparral), or, at least cause needless suffering. This would not be good for the novice that comes to us (disclaimer or no) seeking to accomplish what " they " couldn't, and have warned him against " people like us " , whether as a group, or as practicing...whatever's! Another is the macrobiotic teacher/follower's, who have beaten diseases, yet Avilin (sp.) and her daughter, the founding family, lived and died by it! This, and the " witch hunts " , is why we need to be observers when we are unsure, offer no more than what we are sure of, and don't take anything strictly on face value; research, ask other knowledgeable people, if not life threatening, perhaps try it yourself, and then maybe we will all be closer to being on the same page! I wish that everything was a black and white as far as this goes (us against them, right vs. wrong, good vs. bad, works vs. ineffective, safe vs. dangerous), but it's not, and may never be! So for everyone new, take everything you learn here in, and pursue it further, but (just like in conventional medicine), don't take anything and everything that someone suggests, and shove it in the appropriate orifice, but stay open-minded enough to be willing to! In Health, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 Well, just two cents worth from a newbie here...... I think part of our problem is that we are under the impression that there can be only one 'right' modality. We keep looking for gurus and experts - father figures to TELL us what we need so we don't have to take responsibility for ourselves. I think especially women are vulnerable to this. All approaches, I believe, have their time and place. We just need to listen to our bodies and ourselves more and let them tell us what they need. Lise " bigbird3969 " <bigbird3969 herbal remedies herbal_remedies [herbal remedies] Just a thought... Fri, 03 Aug 2001 10:57:41 EDT It has been of my observation (though doubtfully unique), that since I have been studying the different healing modalities, that it is difficult to stay open-minded, and not be a little gullible at the same time. The same human characteristic that makes John & Mary Doe watch the evening news, and either throw up their hands in confused frustration, or all of the druggie commercials, and pound their doctors into submission, can also apply on this side of the " fence " . For instance, Pearly (not picking) may be desperate enough to try anything, and not spend alot of time researching, so if (for instance) ear candles ARE dangerous, this may not only turn her against this type of info medium, but perhaps cause her to have compounded problems, and needless suffering! (Just an example, so don't get into a shielded dual )) Also, The naturopaths are disagreeing with the homeopaths, who are disagreeing with the Clark-arians, who are disagreeing with the converted M.D.'s, who are disagreeing with the folk healers, who are disagreeing with the Schulze-er's, who are disagreeing with the allopaths, who are disagreeing with almost anyone on this " side " !! Some recent examples that isn't us collectively against them, it's us against you-and-you-and-you-and...: A certain alternative following has " zappers " to help rid themselves of parasites as part of their regimen to better health, along with specific liver flushes; they are getting hammered hard by " Quackbusters " , which oddly consists of at least 1 naturopath, too! Most everyone has heard that soy is good for you but adult " intended " soy products (namely soy milk) should not be given to infants, as it contains too much manganese, and can cause overdose, but now, certain people/groups are saying that soy is dangerous for long term use period; and others, are saying that soy formulas " have a 60 yr. history of safe use " !! This is coming (pro and con0 from both sides, and all points in-between! **this just in: (courtesy of the Animal Planet " channel): Lady bugs are taking over homes in Tennessee, and parts of England where they have been used to eliminate aphids, etc., but now are being pests (that when they outnumber the food, apparently try YOU!). What to do, what to do!!** Okay, now that I've lost my train of thought...most things, if misinformed, you'll have a little reaction to, listen to your body, stop, and straighten out; but, others, you may do some permanent damage (ie. whether or not to ingest chaparral), or, at least cause needless suffering. This would not be good for the novice that comes to us (disclaimer or no) seeking to accomplish what " they " couldn't, and have warned him against " people like us " , whether as a group, or as practicing...whatever's! Another is the macrobiotic teacher/follower's, who have beaten diseases, yet Avilin (sp.) and her daughter, the founding family, lived and died by it! This, and the " witch hunts " , is why we need to be observers when we are unsure, offer no more than what we are sure of, and don't take anything strictly on face value; research, ask other knowledgeable people, if not life threatening, perhaps try it yourself, and then maybe we will all be closer to being on the same page! I wish that everything was a black and white as far as this goes (us against them, right vs. wrong, good vs. bad, works vs. ineffective, safe vs. dangerous), but it's not, and may never be! So for everyone new, take everything you learn here in, and pursue it further, but (just like in conventional medicine), don't take anything and everything that someone suggests, and shove it in the appropriate orifice, but stay open-minded enough to be willing to! In Health, Steve _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 .....as far as the ladybugs are concerned. We humans have always had the need to control and manipulate things, and we think we can do things better than Mother Earth can. We believe we can 'fix' all her 'mistakes'. Everytime we mess with Mother Earth, there are always serious consequences and side effects....either shortterm....or longterm. This probably applies to our bodies as well? Lise " bigbird3969 " <bigbird3969 herbal remedies herbal_remedies [herbal remedies] Just a thought... Fri, 03 Aug 2001 10:57:41 EDT It has been of my observation (though doubtfully unique), that since I have been studying the different healing modalities, that it is difficult to stay open-minded, and not be a little gullible at the same time. The same human characteristic that makes John & Mary Doe watch the evening news, and either throw up their hands in confused frustration, or all of the druggie commercials, and pound their doctors into submission, can also apply on this side of the " fence " . For instance, Pearly (not picking) may be desperate enough to try anything, and not spend alot of time researching, so if (for instance) ear candles ARE dangerous, this may not only turn her against this type of info medium, but perhaps cause her to have compounded problems, and needless suffering! (Just an example, so don't get into a shielded dual )) Also, The naturopaths are disagreeing with the homeopaths, who are disagreeing with the Clark-arians, who are disagreeing with the converted M.D.'s, who are disagreeing with the folk healers, who are disagreeing with the Schulze-er's, who are disagreeing with the allopaths, who are disagreeing with almost anyone on this " side " !! Some recent examples that isn't us collectively against them, it's us against you-and-you-and-you-and...: A certain alternative following has " zappers " to help rid themselves of parasites as part of their regimen to better health, along with specific liver flushes; they are getting hammered hard by " Quackbusters " , which oddly consists of at least 1 naturopath, too! Most everyone has heard that soy is good for you but adult " intended " soy products (namely soy milk) should not be given to infants, as it contains too much manganese, and can cause overdose, but now, certain people/groups are saying that soy is dangerous for long term use period; and others, are saying that soy formulas " have a 60 yr. history of safe use " !! This is coming (pro and con0 from both sides, and all points in-between! **this just in: (courtesy of the Animal Planet " channel): Lady bugs are taking over homes in Tennessee, and parts of England where they have been used to eliminate aphids, etc., but now are being pests (that when they outnumber the food, apparently try YOU!). What to do, what to do!!** Okay, now that I've lost my train of thought...most things, if misinformed, you'll have a little reaction to, listen to your body, stop, and straighten out; but, others, you may do some permanent damage (ie. whether or not to ingest chaparral), or, at least cause needless suffering. This would not be good for the novice that comes to us (disclaimer or no) seeking to accomplish what " they " couldn't, and have warned him against " people like us " , whether as a group, or as practicing...whatever's! Another is the macrobiotic teacher/follower's, who have beaten diseases, yet Avilin (sp.) and her daughter, the founding family, lived and died by it! This, and the " witch hunts " , is why we need to be observers when we are unsure, offer no more than what we are sure of, and don't take anything strictly on face value; research, ask other knowledgeable people, if not life threatening, perhaps try it yourself, and then maybe we will all be closer to being on the same page! I wish that everything was a black and white as far as this goes (us against them, right vs. wrong, good vs. bad, works vs. ineffective, safe vs. dangerous), but it's not, and may never be! So for everyone new, take everything you learn here in, and pursue it further, but (just like in conventional medicine), don't take anything and everything that someone suggests, and shove it in the appropriate orifice, but stay open-minded enough to be willing to! In Health, Steve _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 I agree Steve, I enjoyed your post. I think a lot of it comes down to getting in tune with ourselves, our bodies our feelings, otherwise we are left in the position of having to blindly trust authorities, and we are all human. I have tried heaps of stuff, and I have trained, so I feel in some position to offer my sevices, but ultimately I would never want to take responsibility for anyone elses health- though I should 'act responsibly', which is different. I have friends who are into all sorts of health things, and some who got into the zappers. It didnt appeal to me, but they swore by it at the time. Its the times we live in, and its messy and confusing but its a process of sharing- we have world mass communication, we are not isolated any more. In the end, I just go where I am drawn, hopefully with my eyes wide open, and thats what I would expect anyone to do. So much comes down to common sense, and unfortunately many lack that.I think the problem with a lot of the strongly promoted ideas you have mentioned is that they work really well for some people, but not all. I have friends who had a 6 year old daughter with a brain tumour, and after searching the internet, and one operation, they went to Mexico to Hulda Clarkes place, and went totally into her regime. They came back after a couple of months and told us they were convinced it was because of vaccinations she was sick, and she was put on a strict health program. The girl died a few months later- broke all our hearts- and the parents were told it was because they werent strict enough on the program. Who knows? they were very strict as far as I know. There is no ultimate health cure, but I think Doc and others are on the right track- basic, sound priciples of good clean diet, cleansing etc. If its not simple, I am not interested, and I think naturopathy at its best is quite simple, and its common sense. love peela --- bigbird3969 <bigbird3969 wrote: > It has been of my observation (though doubtfully > unique), that since I have been studying the > different healing modalities, that it is difficult > to stay open-minded, and not be a little gullible at > the same time. The same human characteristic that > makes John & Mary Doe watch the evening news, and > either throw up their hands in confused frustration, > or all of the druggie commercials, and pound their > doctors into submission, can also apply on this side > of the " fence " . > > For instance, Pearly (not picking) may be desperate > enough to try anything, and not spend alot of time > researching, so if (for instance) ear candles ARE > dangerous, this may not only turn her against this > type of info medium, but perhaps cause her to have > compounded problems, and needless suffering! (Just > an example, so don't get into a shielded dual )) > > Also, The naturopaths are disagreeing with the > homeopaths, who are disagreeing with the > Clark-arians, who are disagreeing with the converted > M.D.'s, who are disagreeing with the folk healers, > who are disagreeing with the Schulze-er's, who are > disagreeing with the allopaths, who are disagreeing > with almost anyone on this " side " !! > > Some recent examples that isn't us collectively > against them, it's us against > you-and-you-and-you-and...: > > A certain alternative following has " zappers " to > help rid themselves of parasites as part of their > regimen to better health, along with specific liver > flushes; they are getting hammered hard by > " Quackbusters " , which oddly consists of at least 1 > naturopath, too! > > Most everyone has heard that soy is good for you but > adult " intended " soy products (namely soy milk) > should not be given to infants, as it contains too > much manganese, and can cause overdose, but now, > certain people/groups are saying that soy is > dangerous for long term use period; and others, are > saying that soy formulas " have a 60 yr. history of > safe use " !! This is coming (pro and con0 from both > sides, and all points in-between! > > **this just in: (courtesy of the Animal Planet " > channel): Lady bugs are taking over homes in > Tennessee, and parts of England where they have been > used to eliminate aphids, etc., but now are being > pests (that when they outnumber the food, apparently > try YOU!). What to do, what to do!!** > > Okay, now that I've lost my train of thought...most > things, if misinformed, you'll have a little > reaction to, listen to your body, stop, and > straighten out; but, others, you may do some > permanent damage (ie. whether or not to ingest > chaparral), or, at least cause needless suffering. > This would not be good for the novice that comes to > us (disclaimer or no) seeking to accomplish what > " they " couldn't, and have warned him against " people > like us " , whether as a group, or as > practicing...whatever's! > > Another is the macrobiotic teacher/follower's, who > have beaten diseases, yet Avilin (sp.) and her > daughter, the founding family, lived and died by it! > > This, and the " witch hunts " , is why we need to be > observers when we are unsure, offer no more than > what we are sure of, and don't take anything > strictly on face value; research, ask other > knowledgeable people, if not life threatening, > perhaps try it yourself, and then maybe we will all > be closer to being on the same page! > > I wish that everything was a black and white as far > as this goes (us against them, right vs. wrong, good > vs. bad, works vs. ineffective, safe vs. dangerous), > but it's not, and may never be! So for everyone new, > take everything you learn here in, and pursue it > further, but (just like in conventional medicine), > don't take anything and everything that someone > suggests, and shove it in the appropriate orifice, > but stay open-minded enough to be willing to! > > In Health, > Steve > ===== May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on. Traditional Blessing Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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