Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Dear Elaine, Good on ya gal........I .was out of the ring and pleased that you came in there with your dukes up and dancing..............Love Penny (re Vit C flush and Greg) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 Interesting- Ian, you are sceptical about mercury- I am quite sceptical about Vitamin C. I know it can be useful, but it is not really 'natural' as far as I am concerned. Dont worry, I have read volumes about it, I know how wonderful its supposed to be, but its just too strong as far as I am concerned- I prefer to get my vitamins in food and juices, not isolated. Prefer- I do sometimes take vitamins. When I was studying the product Grainfields, a fermented grain product extremely high in healthy bacteria- known as rejuvilac in old Naturopathic texts- I read something interesting. The guy who produces Grainfields tried to make applecider using his good bacteria product- with organic applejuice from the health food store. He couldnt get it to grow- tried a different brand, no luck. He had bred his bacteria very tough and was surprised. Then he phoned the manufacturers and they said all bottled juices have Vit C in them as a preservative, even if it doesnt say on the label. So it turns out the Vit C kills the healthy bacteria. If it does that in a bottle of juice, what does it do to our intestines? I am not denying the Vitamin C flush may not be quite useful- but I would be careful not to overdo it. My instincts say I wouldnt like to do that to myself unless I was pretty sick and needed to do something drastic- and I have a pretty tough tummy. Herbs are virtually foods and are buffered by many consituents- Vit C is a refined chemical. In nature, it is wonderfully supported. I now all about the research , but its a lot of theory. Just another perspective love Peela --- bigbird3969 <bigbird3969 wrote: > Doc, > It doesn't mention sodium ascorbate or any other > form of ascorbate except ascorbic acid! > > In Health, > Steve > > ps - In a quick scan of several books, all that I > found was sodium sensitive individuals should be > careful with buffered sodium ascorbate, but all > sources reitterate " ascorbic acid as the purest > form. > ----------------------------- > Dear Steve, > Thanks for researching that. Perhaps that book of > yours can answer my question as to whether or not > one should use Acorbic Acid or the salt Ascorbate > form of vitamin C and if there's a difference. I > have always tended to go with the acid form of a > vitamin for myself as I personally get better > assimilation when I do. I'd be interested in others > viewpoint on this as well. > Love, > Doc > > Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. > 505-772-5889 > Dr.IanShillington > - > bigbird3969 > herbal remedies > Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:17 AM > Re:Re: Re:Re: [herbal remedies] Vit C > flush - Greg > > > As far as I know, gout is caused by an > overabundance of uric acid, not vitamin C! As a > matter of fact, in that same book previously > referenced, it calls for 3-5 grams of vitamin C (in > divided doses) to " lower serum uric acid levels " ! > > Hope that helps, > Steve > > ----------------------------- > Couldn't this much VIT C trigger a gout attack? My > brother had a virus coming on and his dr recommended > large doses of Vit C. He is prone to gout anyway, > and ended up in the hospital & was on crutches for a > month. Lory > - > bigbird3969 <bigbird3969 > <herbal remedies > > Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:13 AM > Re:Re: [herbal remedies] Vit C flush - > Greg > > *** > [This message has been truncated.] > ===== May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on. Traditional Blessing Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 Ahhhhhhhh, I love a good debate ;o) One of the big questions I have from what you've written is whether or not Vit C destroys all bacteria or just specific forms. In the past I have taken very large doses of Vit C and not had any adverse effect on my digestion. Could it be that intestinal flora has an affinity with Vit C that is not shared by other bacteria??? Also, creating diarrhea can be very therapeutic and remember this is a cleanse were talking about here not a normal every day regimen. The idea would be to handle specific conditions not as an every day practice. Old Doc Thompson cured hundreds of thousands of patients using his "Purge and Puke" technique and though not very comfortable, it was very effective. I personally use Orange, Grapefruit, and Lemon Peels as mentioned in a previous post to get all the Vit C needed for my family but will use any "natural" remedy necessary to accomplish a total healing as long as there is no adverse or negative effects created by doing so. This is what I think you are concerned about Peela and I'd be interested if anyone has had any long term side effects from taking massive doses of Vit C. I've never heard of any but am open to input. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Peela herbal remedies Wednesday, July 25, 2001 4:38 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Vit C flush - Greg Interesting- Ian, you are sceptical about mercury- Iam quite sceptical about Vitamin C. I know it can beuseful, but it is not really 'natural' as far as I amconcerned. Dont worry, I have read volumes about it, Iknow how wonderful its supposed to be, but its justtoo strong as far as I am concerned- I prefer to getmy vitamins in food and juices, not isolated. Prefer-I do sometimes take vitamins.When I was studying the product Grainfields, afermented grain product extremely high in healthybacteria- known as rejuvilac in old Naturopathictexts- I read something interesting. The guy whoproduces Grainfields tried to make applecider usinghis good bacteria product- with organic applejuicefrom the health food store. He couldnt get it to grow-tried a different brand, no luck. He had bred hisbacteria very tough and was surprised. Then he phonedthe manufacturers and they said all bottled juiceshave Vit C in them as a preservative, even if itdoesnt say on the label. So it turns out the Vit Ckills the healthy bacteria. If it does that in abottle of juice, what does it do to our intestines?I am not denying the Vitamin C flush may not be quiteuseful- but I would be careful not to overdo it. Myinstincts say I wouldnt like to do that to myselfunless I was pretty sick and needed to do somethingdrastic- and I have a pretty tough tummy.Herbs are virtually foods and are buffered by manyconsituents- Vit C is a refined chemical. In nature,it is wonderfully supported. I now all about theresearch , but its a lot of theory.Just another perspectivelovePeela--- bigbird3969 <bigbird3969 wrote:> Doc,> It doesn't mention sodium ascorbate or any other> form of ascorbate except ascorbic acid!> > In Health,> Steve> > ps - In a quick scan of several books, all that I> found was sodium sensitive individuals should be> careful with buffered sodium ascorbate, but all> sources reitterate "ascorbic acid as the purest> form.>-----------------------------> Dear Steve,> Thanks for researching that. Perhaps that book of> yours can answer my question as to whether or not> one should use Acorbic Acid or the salt Ascorbate> form of vitamin C and if there's a difference. I> have always tended to go with the acid form of a> vitamin for myself as I personally get better> assimilation when I do. I'd be interested in others> viewpoint on this as well.> Love,> Doc> > Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.> 505-772-5889> Dr.IanShillington -> bigbird3969> herbal remedies > Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:17 AM> Re:Re: Re:Re: [herbal remedies] Vit C> flush - Greg> > > As far as I know, gout is caused by an> overabundance of uric acid, not vitamin C! As a> matter of fact, in that same book previously> referenced, it calls for 3-5 grams of vitamin C (in> divided doses) to "lower serum uric acid levels"!> > Hope that helps,> Steve> >-----------------------------> Couldn't this much VIT C trigger a gout attack? My> brother had a virus coming on and his dr recommended> large doses of Vit C. He is prone to gout anyway,> and ended up in the hospital & was on crutches for a> month. Lory> -> bigbird3969 <bigbird3969> <herbal remedies >> Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:13 AM> Re:Re: [herbal remedies] Vit C flush -> Greg> > ***> [This message has been truncated.]> =====May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on.Traditional BlessingMake international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messengerhttp://phonecard./Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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