getting endo to mendo

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In a message dated 4/18/01 10:21:51 PM, singular_truth writes:

 

>Upon further questioning

>she did say that she had constipation every month around the time of

>her cycle with severe cramping. She said her GYN explained that it was

>due to endometriosis on her colon.

 

I have endo and for as long as I can remember have had constipation in the 3

days prior to the start of my period and then 2-3 movements per day once the

period begins. I have never had my dr. explain this as endo on the colon tho.

 

My ob/gyn described the constipation as the part of the body's reaction to

the hormonal changes which occur at that time of the month and suggested

taking selenium during my period and in the days preceding it along with a

few more servings of fruits and veggies, eating 7 servings per day rather

than 5 for example.

 

I would be interested in the discussion on this one.

 

Paulissa,

 

....So plant your garden and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting for

someone to bring you flowers.

And you learn that you really can endure...

That you really are strong, And you really do have worth. "

-Veronica A. Shoffstall " Comes The Dawn "

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sorry for the goofy subject line. In a weird mood tonight.

 

Got a gal, thirty years old, came in to be checked out and had a very

rough and dark brown pasty looking colon that stood out on the iris

exam. she also mentioned tenderness whenever mild to heavy pressure

was applied to her left lower belly. When I mentioned that her colon

looked dirty and that I suspected that she may have a tendancy to

constipation she replied that she had regular bowel movements (2-3 a

day soft not really formed, semi-floating) Upon further questioning

she did say that she had constipation every month around the time of

her cycle with severe cramping. She said her GYN explained that it was

due to endometriosis on her colon. He suggested depo-lupron

(spelling?) and some sort of diagnostic surgery.

I hadn't come across anything like this before and I haven't found

anything really clear on endometriosis on the colon in my books. First

of all, is it possible to verify endometriosis in the eye (I am not

keen on surgery on an already irritated body)? I thought endometriosis

had something to do with the ovaries, what is it doing on the colon?

And how would you handle this if you were advising this lady?

 

Thanks for your help!

 

Eric

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My understanding of endo is that it can grow anywhere in the abdomen;

ovaries, uterus, bladder, colon, etc. I had surgery for endo in

February. The endo was in the cul de sac and on the ligaments from the

uterus to my back. My uterus had become rigid and unmovable. This

explained all the lower back pain I had (before, during, and after my

periods). I felt the difference in my back as soon as I came to in the

recovery room. I had constipation before my periods. I know the endo

contributed(made it more severe), but I think it is partly hormones. I

have included a link to the endo association. It is allopathic in nature

but there is a lot of info about endo. I hope this is okay.

 

I would be interested in any sugggestions for keeping the endo from

growing back. I am going to do the Female Formula. This leads me to

another question. If I buy the tinctures can I just mix them into one and

take a dose of that, or do I have to take them all seperately?

 

http://www.endometriosisassn.org/

 

TIA,

 

Bobbi Sue

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Dear Eric,

 

Quote from Women, Hormones and the Menstrual Cycle by

Ruth Trickey.

" Normally the endometrium lines the inside of the

uterus and is expelled during each menstrual period,

but in endometriosis..., the endometrial tissue starts

to grow elsewhere in the body, most commonly in the

pelvic region.

Endometriosis occurs where endometrial growths develop

on the ovaries, the tubes, the outer wall of the

uterus, the uterine or ovarian ligaments, the bowel,

the ureters or the bladder " .

The chapter goes on to explain that they dont know why

endometrius occurs but it is associated

(statistically)with menstruating more times per year,

starting to menstruate at a younger age, and delaying

pregnancy and breastfeeding. Therefore it is possibly

associated with a higher exposure to oestrogen than

average. It is also assiciated with higher levels of

prostaglandins and fallopian tubes with a wider

diameter than usual. Retrograde flow during

menstruation is possibly associated with endo- it

happens in nearly all women, that the flow may back up

the fallopian tubes or otherwise get into the pelvic

cavity, but with endo the volume may be much higher,

due to whatever reasons. Also having sex during

menstruation is associated with slightly higher chance

of endo- presumably due to back up of flow.

Another quote from same chapter on endo::

" Constipation is a common problem for many women when

they are expecting a period. Apart from a sense of

pelvic discomfort, constipation usually aggravates

dysmenorrhea and reduces the capacity for oestrogen

clearance via the bowel. Bitter green vegetables and

dietary fibre are the best remedies for constipation. "

I will briefly summarise her suggestions- she goes

into great depth. She says Dong Quai is the main herb

used for endo, also others. Emmenagogues if the

menstrual flow is sluggish. Herbs for cramping,

including ginger. Fish oils for prostaglandin

regulation. PMS herbs. I have already mentioned the

constipation. Also, important to treat the liver. Deal

with stress, have fun, reduce caffeine and alcohol,

get exercise but dont exercise during the period.

 

I am sure the Female Formula would be good.

 

The book is fantastic, a solid tome on women's issues,

in depth and technical but readable. It has the latest

surgery available but is for naturopaths so its mostly

focused on herbs, diet and nutrition.

 

Ok, while I am at it, I just looked up Dr Christiane

Northrup's book Womens Bodies, Womens Wisdom, She is a

wonderful wholistic Gynocologist and Obstetrician

over there in the states. She reckons the emotional

factor behind endo is about competition. " It comes

about when a woman's emotional needs are competing

with her functioning in the outside world. When a

woman feels that her innermost emotinal needs are in

direct conflict with what the world is demanding of

her, endometriosis is one of the ways in which her

body tries to draw her attention to the problem "

i.e career vs family

 

Anyway, thanks, I enjoyed researching that, I hope its

of some help.

 

love

peela

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- singular_truth wrote:

> sorry for the goofy subject line. In a weird mood

> tonight.

>

> Got a gal, thirty years old, came in to be checked

> out and had a very

> rough and dark brown pasty looking colon that stood

> out on the iris

> exam. she also mentioned tenderness whenever mild to

> heavy pressure

> was applied to her left lower belly. When I

> mentioned that her colon

> looked dirty and that I suspected that she may have

> a tendancy to

> constipation she replied that she had regular bowel

> movements (2-3 a

> day soft not really formed, semi-floating) Upon

> further questioning

> she did say that she had constipation every month

> around the time of

> her cycle with severe cramping. She said her GYN

> explained that it was

> due to endometriosis on her colon. He suggested

> depo-lupron

> (spelling?) and some sort of diagnostic surgery.

> I hadn't come across anything like this before and I

> haven't found

> anything really clear on endometriosis on the colon

> in my books. First

> of all, is it possible to verify endometriosis in

> the eye (I am not

> keen on surgery on an already irritated body)? I

> thought endometriosis

> had something to do with the ovaries, what is it

> doing on the colon?

> And how would you handle this if you were advising

> this lady?

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> Eric

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/19/01 4:49:33 PM, Dr.IanShillington writes:

 

>MDs always recommend " diagnostic " or " exploratory " surgery when they

>

>don't know what the fuck is going on. Pardon my French, but this kind

>

>of brutality really pisses me off.

>

>

 

 

Ian, love ya hon for being blunt!!!!!!!

 

Paulissa,

 

....So plant your garden and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting for

someone to bring you flowers.

And you learn that you really can endure...

That you really are strong, And you really do have worth. "

-Veronica A. Shoffstall " Comes The Dawn "

oooO

( ) Oooo

\ ( ( )

\_) ) /

(_/

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In a message dated 4/19/01 4:52:22 PM, Dr.IanShillington writes:

 

>The MDs themselve acknowledge the cause as being unknown. Did your

>

>OB/GYN do a biopsy on you, or how was it diagnosed???

>

>Love,

>

>Doc

 

biopsy Doc

 

Paulissa,

 

....So plant your garden and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting for

someone to bring you flowers.

And you learn that you really can endure...

That you really are strong, And you really do have worth. "

-Veronica A. Shoffstall " Comes The Dawn "

oooO

( ) Oooo

\ ( ( )

\_) ) /

(_/

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EEEEKKKKK I sent that before I was finished. I had a biopsy and having had

several ectopic pregnancies am considering hysterectomy b/c truthfully, I am

just tired of fighting the fight. I had several fibroids removed in January

and when I went back for my annual pelvic in March, cancerous cells were

found so I have been doing the old poison and burn routine. More info than

you probably wanted to know, but that is where it lies right now.

 

Paulissa,

 

....So plant your garden and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting for

someone to bring you flowers.

And you learn that you really can endure...

That you really are strong, And you really do have worth. "

-Veronica A. Shoffstall " Comes The Dawn "

oooO

( ) Oooo

\ ( ( )

\_) ) /

(_/

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Dear Eric,

 

Although symptoms and physical examination may suggest endometriosis, definitive diagnosis of endometriosis can be established only by direct visualization of ectopic lesions or by biopsy. Endo can definitely by observed in the colon as well as the sex organs including the umbilicus, but my first question is, "Did her GYN do this? Did he do a biopsy?", or is he simply going by symtoms which are extremely misleading to say the least when it comes to this disease.

 

The loose stool could be caused by parasites and does not mean she is NOT impacted. The cramping and constipation before and during menses could be caused by hormonal imbalance.

 

You can most likely diagnose Endo through the iris, but iridology is not my specialty so I can't steer or help you here.

 

MDs always recommend "diagnostic" or "exploratory" surgery when they don't know what the fuck is going on. Pardon my French, but this kind of brutality really pisses me off.

 

Your best bet is to put her through the Total Body Cleanse Program as described in the files with emphasis on diluted Blood Detox Tea enemas once or twice a day. She also needs to be on the Female Formula to help balance her hormones. Another good enema would be fresh aloe vera. Echinacea and Garlic are also a must.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

Got a gal, thirty years old, came in to be checked out and had a veryrough and dark brown pasty looking colon that stood out on the irisexam. she also mentioned tenderness whenever mild to heavy pressurewas applied to her left lower belly. When I mentioned that her colonlooked dirty and that I suspected that she may have a tendancy toconstipation she replied that she had regular bowel movements (2-3 aday soft not really formed, semi-floating) Upon further questioningshe did say that she had constipation every month around the time ofher cycle with severe cramping. She said her GYN explained that it wasdue to endometriosis on her colon. He suggested depo-lupron(spelling?) and some sort of diagnostic surgery.I hadn't come across anything like this before and I haven't foundanything really clear on endometriosis on the colon in my books. Firstof all, is it possible to verify endometriosis in the eye (I am notkeen on surgery on an already irritated body)? I thought endometriosishad something to do with the ovaries, what is it doing on the colon?And how would you handle this if you were advising this lady?Thanks for your help!Eric

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The MDs themselve acknowledge the cause as being unknown. Did your OB/GYN do a biopsy on you, or how was it diagnosed???

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

I have endo and for as long as I can remember have had constipation in the 3 days prior to the start of my period and then 2-3 movements per day once the period begins. I have never had my dr. explain this as endo on the colon tho.My ob/gyn described the constipation as the part of the body's reaction to the hormonal changes which occur at that time of the month and suggested taking selenium during my period and in the days preceding it along with a few more servings of fruits and veggies, eating 7 servings per day rather than 5 for example.I would be interested in the discussion on this one. Paulissa,

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You're right about all the places Endo can show up and yes it's OK to post a link like the one below as it is helpful in doing some kinds of research. As with most allo tech, you have to be able to sort fact from fiction which isn't always easy but just knowing it needs to be done is usually warning enough when one enters a site.

 

You can definitely mix your tinctures under most circumstances (depends on how many your taking), but preferrably you should take them separately to get the best results.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

but I think it is partly hormones. Ihave included a link to the endo association. It is allopathic in naturebut there is a lot of info about endo. I hope this is okay.I would be interested in any sugggestions for keeping the endo fromgrowing back. I am going to do the Female Formula. This leads me toanother question. If I buy the tinctures can I just mix them into one andtake a dose of that, or do I have to take them all seperately?http://www.endometriosisassn.org/ TIA,Bobbi Sue

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Wellllllll, I believe there are NO incurable diseases. I absolutely, unequivocably believe that everyone can find a natural healing for any disease if they want it bad enough and are willing to walk that extra step regardless of how tough that step may be.

 

I also understand where you're coming from hon.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

PS. Give me a call sometime if you'd like to discuss it privately.

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

EEEEKKKKK I sent that before I was finished. I had a biopsy and having had several ectopic pregnancies am considering hysterectomy b/c truthfully, I am just tired of fighting the fight. I had several fibroids removed in January and when I went back for my annual pelvic in March, cancerous cells were found so I have been doing the old poison and burn routine. More info than you probably wanted to know, but that is where it lies right now.Paulissa,

 

biopsy DocPaulissa,

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I heard a sad story today which seems very

coincidental with the endometriosis thread. I was

talking to a friend I hadnt seen for a while, and she

had been with her daughter and grandchildren for

Easter in the country at her daughter's home. Her

daughters best girlfriend was also staying, and they

spent the weekend watching girly movies and having a

wonderful time. The friend however was having bad pain

from her endomtriosis, and went to he hospital at one

stage, but was sent home and told she was " too

sensitive to the pain " . She lay on the couch while

they watched videos last Saturday evening. One of the

kids got out of bed, sleep walking, and came to the

friend (who had fallen asleep) and walked around the

couch three times before being ushered back to bed.

The next morning they found the friend had died. They

tried to resicitate her until the ambulance arrived,

but she was dead.

The autopsy hasnt shown yet whether she died from the

endometriosis- her abdomen was all swollen apparently-

or an overdose of pain killers, the other possibility.

I think it was her time to go- and at least she was

surrounded by people she loved and she was having a

good time, apart from the pain. But it is sad that she

was rejected by the hospital and sent home.

Anyway, that was just a few days ago. Thought I would

share it because of this thread.

love

peela

 

 

 

 

 

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:16:30 -0600 " Ian Shillington N.D. "

<Dr.IanShillington writes:

 

> You can definitely mix your tinctures under most circumstances

> (depends

> on how many your taking), but preferrably you should take them

> separately to get the best results.

 

Thanks. I was going to mix 2-3 different tinctures together. This leads

me to another question. I have been doing a lot of research to come up

with a combination to regulate my hormones to keep the endo from growing

back( I was desperate enough to have the surgery, but said " no thanks " to

the Lupron), shrink the functional ovarian cyst I have, and alleviate the

severe menstrual cramps I get. The removal of the endo has helped a lot.

Every herbalist has a different combo. Is it better to start out simple

with a few herbs and add or change from there? How soon should results be

noticed? 3 - 6 months? Or longer?

 

I have been an amateur herbalist for 15 years. This group is very

informative and keeps me inspired.

 

Thanks,

 

Bobbi Sue

 

 

>

> Love,

>

> Doc

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 505-772-5889

> Dr.IanShillington

> but I think it is partly hormones. I

> have included a link to the endo association. It is allopathic in

> nature

> but there is a lot of info about endo. I hope this is okay.

>

> I would be interested in any sugggestions for keeping the endo

> from

> growing back. I am going to do the Female Formula. This leads me

> to

> another question. If I buy the tinctures can I just mix them into

> one

> and

> take a dose of that, or do I have to take them all seperately?

>

> http://www.endometriosisassn.org/

>

> TIA,

>

> Bobbi Sue

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In a message dated 4/21/01 5:45:10 AM, peelasacha writes:

 

>Dear Paulissa, it wasnt actually my daughter, it was a

>friend's daughter. my daughter is still a little'un.

>love

>peela

>

>> Please give my condolences to your daughter...how

>> terrible!!!

 

 

Ahhhhhh well please accept my condolences....I will hold all of you in my

prayers.

 

Paulissa,

 

....So plant your garden and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting for

someone to bring you flowers.

And you learn that you really can endure...

That you really are strong, And you really do have worth. "

-Veronica A. Shoffstall " Comes The Dawn "

oooO

( ) Oooo

\ ( ( )

\_) ) /

(_/

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Dear Doc, I wish I had known you about 22 years ago! I had a hysterectomy then, and i was only 23. Sad, sad, I have done marvelous since but it could have been avoided, and we could have had all the kids we wanted. Patty

 

Wellllllll, I believe there are NO incurable diseases. I absolutely, unequivocably believe that everyone can find a natural healing for any disease if they want it bad enough and are willing to walk that extra step regardless of how tough that step may be.

 

I also understand where you're coming from hon.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

PS. Give me a call sometime if you'd like to discuss it privately.

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

EEEEKKKKK I sent that before I was finished. I had a biopsy and having had several ectopic pregnancies am considering hysterectomy b/c truthfully, I am just tired of fighting the fight. I had several fibroids removed in January and when I went back for my annual pelvic in March, cancerous cells were found so I have been doing the old poison and burn routine. More info than you probably wanted to know, but that is where it lies right now.Paulissa,

 

biopsy DocPaulissa,Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Wellllllll, I believe there are NO incurable diseases. I absolutely, unequivocably believe that everyone can find a natural healing for any disease if they want it bad enough and are willing to walk that extra step regardless of how tough that step may be.

 

[cl] I also totally believe this that there are 'no incurable diseases'. Prevention is the key of course but we live in a society where we are given all that fatty stuff to consume and gone away from natural foods. But unfortunately we have gone away from eating good nutritional foods and many today don't even know such exist because of the way they were brought up.

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Hey Bobbi Sue,

 

I'd add the herbal formulae one at a time so that you can see the effects of each preparation on an idividual basis. If you throw them all together and get a result (good or bad) you won't know which one caused the effect. Get the idea?

 

If you are on an all natural organic diet and natural healing program, you could notice some changes within a few minutes, and should definitely notice some changes within a few days. Your body will talk to you and let you know.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

Is it better to start out simple with a few herbs and add or change from there? How soon should results be noticed? 3 - 6 months? Or longer? I have been an amateur herbalist for 15 years. This group is veryinformative and keeps me inspired. Thanks,Bobbi Sue

[Guest guest]

Go girl.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

I am currently "A Cancer Battle Plan" -just started it and I swear there will never be another chemo and radiation course done on me again if I can help it. Paulissa,...So plant your garden and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers. And you learn that you really can endure... That you really are strong, And you really do have worth."-Veronica A. Shoffstall "Comes The Dawn" oooO ( ) Oooo \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Dear Patty,

 

Have you considered adoption???

 

What's even sadder than the Medical Profession betrayals are the number of unwanted children that are being abandoned, brutalized and victimized by society at this time. There are some beautiful children out there waiting for some good parents to come along and love them, and help them to grow strong and straight. I know several parents personally who have done this and they all agree that the rewards are unbelievable.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

 

Dear Doc, I wish I had known you about 22 years ago! I had a hysterectomy then, and i was only 23. Sad, sad, I have done marvelous since but it could have been avoided, and we could have had all the kids we wanted. Patty

 

Wellllllll, I believe there are NO incurable diseases. I absolutely, unequivocably believe that everyone can find a natural healing for any disease if they want it bad enough and are willing to walk that extra step regardless of how tough that step may be.

 

I also understand where you're coming from hon.

 

Love,

 

Doc

[Guest guest]

Absolutely!

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

[cl] I also totally believe this that there are 'no incurable diseases'. Prevention is the key of course but we live in a society where we are given all that fatty stuff to consume and gone away from natural foods. But unfortunately we have gone away from eating good nutritional foods and many today don't even know such exist because of the way they were brought up.

[Guest guest]

Yep, done that! Thanks Doc. ( are son is adopted-11 years ago) and what a blessing!!!

 

 

Have you considered adoption???

 

[Guest guest]

Very Well Done. I admire you for the courage and the love you have in your heart. Your son is lucky to have such parents.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

 

Yep, done that! Thanks Doc. ( are son is adopted-11 years ago) and what a blessing!!!

 

 

Have you considered adoption???