Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 In a message dated 3/27/01 9:04:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, stephen writes: If you are standing behind someone with your 4 fingers along the area of GB21 and try to put thumb pressure into the area around Si12, 13, 14, and SJ 15, you have certainly noticed that there are some people whose tissue is dense and their musculature seems to be all one mass. Others have very differentiable muscle tissue. This is a rough gauge but I have found that the denser the tissue the less sensitive a person seems to be to things like EM and GM fields as well as things like dissimilar dental materials. and Steven, It is reasonable to say the most 'sensitive' type will typically be the Jue Yin constitution, then the Tai Yin. The heavier musculature Steven is describing is present in Shao Yang constitutions and especially the Yang Ming constitution. Features of constitution may help define strategies for dosing.....there are Jue Yin types in my case files who have responded well to very small doses. I need a dump truck to get a physiological dose into a Yang Ming constitution not to mention a pharmacological dose. DR Yang, the head of the TCM department for the Si Chuan province was at Yo San today. It was refreshing to listen to him speak about the need to bring this medicine into the new millennium. I believe it is important to recognize that etiologies of this day and age are different from those of an agricultural society. Miscellaneous diseases now include the new iatrogenesis (drugs, surgery, dental), pollutants, and computer terminal exposure....each evoke differing responses from the body and require different treatments. My consolation is the slow adaptation of the gene pool -- our treatments still work -- sometimes. However, Yin Xu etiology is often more related to work stress and CT exposure than post infection sequelae. So the good news -- it is still Yin Xu, the bad news -- we have more ways to go there. Dr. Yang emphasized treating in accordance with the environment, the season, and especially individualizing treatment. In my opinion, the consideration of constitution is vital to individualizing treatment. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 ....my question would be whether ALL people with mixed (dental) materials react or just those who are hypersensitive. If it is only the latter, then I would suggest that the internal imbalance is more important than the material in the mouth. Same with EM fields, food allergies, etc. I couldn't help but get back into this discussion. Your thought process is certainly valid. However it has been my observation that in many, but not all cases it relates more to constitutional types that are more sensitive than to a particular imbalance that causes the sensitivity. If you are standing behind someone with your 4 fingers along the area of GB21 and try to put thumb pressure into the area around Si12, 13, 14, and SJ 15, you have certainly noticed that there are some people whose tissue is dense and their musculature seems to be all one mass. Others have very differentiable muscle tissue. This is a rough gauge but I have found that the denser the tissue the less sensitive a person seems to be to things like EM and GM fields as well as things like dissimilar dental materials. These types are not necessarily healthier although they often seem to claim things like having an " iron stomach " . However, as a general statement, they may also be more likely to keel over from heart disease from arteriosclerosis at the age of 55. Along the lines of your pi/wei postulation, sensitive individuals do tend to be more prone to food sensitivities. I would say that our profession has an above average percentage of these sensitive constitutions. I find that the sensitivity often has a silver lining... higher intuition and sense perception. Qualities that make better practitioners. There are a fair number of wounded healers among us and once one's health has been seriously compromised, the level of sensitivity tends to go up, for good... for better and for worse. After one has been a fairly meticulous vegetarian for a number of years how does a chili cheese dog with onions from Der Wienerschnitzel feel in your stomach. Fine tuning your body doesn't directly correlate to spleen qi xu. But you are certainly more sensitive. I welcome new thoughts and insights on this. Stephen Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 , " Stephen Morrissey " <stephen@b...> wrote: Fine tuning your body doesn't > directly correlate to spleen qi xu. But you are certainly more sensitive. > > I welcome new thoughts and insights on this. > Stephen I think there is a big difference between eating crap like hot dogs and reacting to otherwise wholesome food like wheat, for example. Any food that is not broken down will lead to food allergies. the problem is that undigested proteins leak through the gut. Eating overly greasy food as you describe is just downright bad for you and has nothing to do with this mechanism. All people will ultimately succumb to poor diet. I still maintain that only unbalanced folks will succumb to leaky gut syndrome. as for heightened sensitivity to normal wholesome foodstuffs, EM fields and dental materials correlating with ones ability to be a sensitive healer, that is an interesting point. I would offer that the yogic and taoist disciplines that appeal to me often emphasize practices that allow one to be MORE resistant to noxious environmental stimuli. At the extreme, being able to withstand cold, poison, etc. I think the concept of the wounded healer is not part of chinese tradition. In fact, many of my teachers were alarmed at the poor health and hypersensitivity of many acupuncture students. they perceived this as a weakness that impeded, not enhanced, clear observation. I would be curious what those more familiar with Chinese literature on healers have to say about this. I suspect, as usual, it is something in the middle between being weak and sensitive and clogged with phlegm and fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Pearl, I am on NO Medications and rely on herbs and such 100% for my well being. Medications only ever made me more ill and dysfunctional and I Pray I never have to use any again. I drink a lot of water daily, wear a hat when it is hot, and try to avoid the over-exposure to the heat. The hormones and body temperature is somehow regulated by the Hypothalymus <sp> gland in the brain and since my hormones can fluctuate and I am so easily made heat sick that is why I thought maybe there was a connection. Thanks & God Bless, Jamie - <PEARLY2 <herbal remedies > Monday, March 26, 2001 5:24 PM [herbal remedies] Sensitivities > I am also very sensitive to the heat and the sun also.I LOVE the beach > and so I had to try and find out the problem. I can stay at the beach > from sunrise to sunset LOL ! > #1 Make sure that you are well hydrated...more so then usual. #2 Make > sure that the medications you are on, are not causing this problem. I > never had this problem before I took Xanax a few years ago....I remained > sensitive. > #3 I find that " any " type of a head covering really helps me. > #4 I think this also may have something to do with hormonal changes in > the body.... > I would like to hear from Ian about this problem..... > This summer I am intending to go to craft showings with my wares and > will be out doors for extended periods of time....so any further insight > would be helpful > > Pearl (NY) > > > Country Living at it's finest > /community/Countrylife > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 From Todd: I think there is a big difference between eating crap like hot dogs and reacting to otherwise wholesome food like wheat, for example. Any food that is not broken down will lead to food allergies. the problem is that undigested proteins leak through the gut... I agree. I also agree with Will's portrayal of the constitutional types and dose response curves. And...if someone is sensitive to wheat because of leaky gut or whatever, you will get better results with treatment if you have them avoid the problematic foods for a while. The aggravation from the food can cause Si fire, Sp damp, and other digestive conditions that interfere with the healing process that you as a practitioner would be offering them. In contrast, dental material aggravations cannot be " avoided for a whiile " while you try to balance the underlying patterns that may be causing sensitivity. So you may be taking one step forward from tx and one step back after tx has worn off. A similar scenario can happen with those sensitive to EM and GM fields that are continuing an excessive exposure to these influences. The problem is when the pathogenic influence is not eliminated and it happens to be just as potent or more potent than your therapy. Getting noticeable yet very temporary results is a good indication that the causative factor(s) (whatever aggravation it happens to be...pharmaceutical, dental, industrial exposures...) still exists. Stephen Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Will I learnt something again, thanks. My knowledge of shan han lun style practise is severly lacking.Regretfully I didn't do Todd's SHL course last year (Todd will you running it this year ?) . I was unaware that there could be 6 division constitional types. Could you elaborate just a bit. Eg I know someone could be a kid yin xu constitional type . So could someone be born a shao yang type and that makes them more susceptible to invasion of pathogens that get locked in SY. WMorris116 wrote: In a message dated 3/27/01 9:04:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, stephen writes: If you are standing behind someone with your 4 fingers along the area of GB21 and try to put thumb pressure into the area around Si12, 13, 14, and SJ 15, you have certainly noticed that there are some people whose tissue is dense and their musculature seems to be all one mass. Others have very differentiable muscle tissue. This is a rough gauge but I have found that the denser the tissue the less sensitive a person seems to be to things like EM and GM fields as well as things like dissimilar dental materials. and Steven, It is reasonable to say the most 'sensitive' type will typically be the Jue Yin constitution, then the Tai Yin. The heavier musculature Steven is describing is present in Shao Yang constitutions and especially the Yang Ming constitution. Features of constitution may help define strategies for dosing.....there are Jue Yin types in my case files who have responded well to very small doses. I need a dump truck to get a physiological dose into a Yang Ming constitution not to mention a pharmacological dose. DR Yang, the head of the TCM department for the Si Chuan province was at Yo San today. It was refreshing to listen to him speak about the need to bring this medicine into the new millennium. I believe it is important to recognize that etiologies of this day and age are different from those of an agricultural society. Miscellaneous diseases now include the new iatrogenesis (drugs, surgery, dental), pollutants, and computer terminal exposure....each evoke differing responses from the body and require different treatments. My consolation is the slow adaptation of the gene pool -- our treatments still work -- sometimes. However, Yin Xu etiology is often more related to work stress and CT exposure than post infection sequelae. So the good news -- it is still Yin Xu, the bad news -- we have more ways to go there. Dr. Yang emphasized treating in accordance with the environment, the season, and especially individualizing treatment. In my opinion, the consideration of constitution is vital to individualizing treatment. Will Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 In my opinion, the consideration of constitution is vital to individualizing treatment. >>>I agree and find Compo especially helpful alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 All people will ultimately succumb to poor diet. >>>Be careful w/ saying all. I have certainly seen people that smocked ate very poorly and are in their 90's and strong Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2001 Report Share Posted March 29, 2001 <All people will ultimately succumb to poor diet.> Quantity may be more important than quality. Many people do reasonably well on restricted quantities with poor diets, better than, as some of us can attest, larger quantities of good quality food. :-( Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. " If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need. " -- Marcus Tullius Cicero ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2001 Report Share Posted March 30, 2001 Dear Pearl, I answered this in an earlier comm on the subject. The solution is UDO's Oil or Flaxseed Oil with a dosage of anywhere between 4 to 10 tablespoons a day. Love, Ian Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington I am also very sensitive to the heat and the sun also.I LOVE the beachand so I had to try and find out the problem. I can stay at the beachfrom sunrise to sunset LOL !#1 Make sure that you are well hydrated...more so then usual. #2 Makesure that the medications you are on, are not causing this problem. Inever had this problem before I took Xanax a few years ago....I remainedsensitive.#3 I find that "any" type of a head covering really helps me. #4 I think this also may have something to do with hormonal changes inthe body....I would like to hear from Ian about this problem.....This summer I am intending to go to craft showings with my wares andwill be out doors for extended periods of time....so any further insightwould be helpful :)Pearl (NY) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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