Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 Dear Elaine, I am answering your query about the Legislation in Florida on the HR list as I think that all Herbalists should know about the Highly financed opposition to the Herbal Healing of one's self, using the God (Goddess, Allah, Woden, vishnu Supreme Being, Yahweh etc) given Plants.. Ian has left for New Mexico and has relocated there with his wife, sending his son out of State to be educated. He is near Datil, now and it is really in the wilds. He left Florida partly because of the recent Bill that was passed in Florida. This bill is as vicious as your friends - the Naturopaths - state. If I give a bottle of my tooth and gum formula to my mother and tell her it will help her gums heal, the MINIUMUN fine (if found guilty) is $10,000 and the MINIMUM jail sentence is TWO YEARS. Unless I ama Medical doctor. This is because of a new law slipped through at the end of last year in the Florida legislature. Here are the details from the Youngborn Institute. Date: 10 Nov 00 07:47:25 PST Yungborn Naturopathic Institute <yungborn To: Penny Khaled <pennyclr75 Thank you for your letter. Yes the bill passed it was killed as bill 1625 because of all of the support from people like you however the power of the Drug companies and the greed of corrupt politicians to raise money to get re-elected seems to rule this system of government. The bill was attached to a different bill known as 591 at the last possible moment and the bill is now law in Florida. Once the bill became law in Florida it was sent to North Carolina and introduced however it was defeated on the floor. Dr. Dussault.................................................................. If you want further information contact the Institute. The Bill goes on to say that ANY TREATMENT SUCH AS A SAUNA, FOOD SUPPLEMENT, VITAMIN , HERB, FOOD, PLANT ETC. IF GIVEN TO HELP ALLEVIATE ANY ILLNESS OR ANY CONDITION OF THE BODY MUST BE PRESCRIBED BY A MEDICAL DOCTOR. So, if you brew some chicken soup for your nieces flu - you are guilty of charges in this Bill. No case (as far as I know) has been bought before the bill. I think that it is being held back to use as an onslaught against Natural Healers by the Medical Companies and the Chemical Companies. I do not think that the Bill was passed to protect the People of Florida - it was passed to protect the Vested Interests - the Chemical and Medical Manufacturers. At the moment, however, you are gauranteed, under the Constitution, to be able to treat your own body in any way that you see fit. The purpose of this list (HR) is to give the knowledge freely so that EVERYONE will be able to treat themselves IF THEY SO WISH. Do not be frightened and cease your desire to learn about Herbs. That is just what the Medical and Chemical companies want you to do. The more of us who stand up for our rights, the more difficult it will become for the Chemical and Medical Corportions (note I do not blame the doctors themselves - they DO have a will to help others) to stop the huge groundswell of Natural Healing. Freedom may have been won in this country but we have to be ever vigilant to ensure it is not taken away...........Love Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Right on. The actual fact is that my move to NM was planned before I became aware of the bill due to an educational project I am involved with. The bill when it came along was just another battle front I wasn't going to have to be involved with at the moment, though in truth, as my friends can attest, I like a good fight for "human rights" so I kinda, sorta, almost wish I was able to be on the front lines there. More than likely, the front will eventually move here to New Mexico or on to a National level, and I'll have my hands full anyway. Penny's advice is good. Don't let it scare you. There are a lot of us out here, and with the internet as a communication medium we can carry our message to many people and take on these pharmaceuticals. If we carry on as we have, I'm sure that eventually, we'll make "Naturopathy" into the senior healing practice of this country. We just gotta roll our sleeves up and hammer our reps in Washington to come around. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Penny Khaled herbal remedies Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:45 PM [herbal remedies] Naturopaths in Florida Dear Elaine, I am answering your query about the Legislation in Florida on the HRlist as I think that all Herbalists should know about the Highlyfinanced opposition to the Herbal Healing of one's self, using the God(Goddess, Allah, Woden, vishnu Supreme Being, Yahweh etc) givenPlants.. Ian has left for New Mexico and has relocated there with his wife,sending his son out of State to be educated. He is near Datil, now andit is really in the wilds. He left Florida partly because of the recent Bill that was passedin Florida. This bill is as vicious as your friends - the Naturopaths - state. If I give a bottle of my tooth and gum formula to my mother and tellher it will help her gums heal, the MINIUMUN fine (if found guilty) is$10,000 and the MINIMUM jail sentence is TWO YEARS. Unless I ama Medicaldoctor. This is because of a new law slipped through at the end of last yearin the Florida legislature. Here are the details from the Youngborn Institute. 10 Nov 00 07:47:25 PST Yungborn Naturopathic Institute <yungborn Penny Khaled <pennyclr75Thank you for your letter. Yes the bill passed it was killed as bill1625 because of all of the support from people like you however thepower of the Drug companies and the greed of corrupt politicians toraise money to get re-elected seems to rule this system ofgovernment. The bill was attached to a different bill known as 591at the last possible moment and the bill is now law in Florida. Oncethe bill became law in Florida it was sent to North Carolina andintroduced however it was defeated on the floor. Dr.Dussault.................................................................. If you want further information contact the Institute. The Bill goes on to say that ANY TREATMENT SUCH AS A SAUNA, FOODSUPPLEMENT, VITAMIN , HERB, FOOD, PLANT ETC. IF GIVEN TO HELP ALLEVIATEANY ILLNESS OR ANY CONDITION OF THE BODY MUST BE PRESCRIBED BY A MEDICALDOCTOR. So, if you brew some chicken soup for your nieces flu - you areguilty of charges in this Bill. No case (as far as I know) has been bought before the bill. I thinkthat it is being held back to use as an onslaught against NaturalHealers by the Medical Companies and the Chemical Companies. I do not think that the Bill was passed to protect the People ofFlorida - it was passed to protect the Vested Interests - the Chemicaland Medical Manufacturers. At the moment, however, you are gauranteed, under the Constitution,to be able to treat your own body in any way that you see fit. The purpose of this list (HR) is to give the knowledge freely sothat EVERYONE will be able to treat themselves IF THEY SO WISH. Do not be frightened and cease your desire to learn about Herbs. That is just what the Medical and Chemical companies want you to do. The more of us who stand up for our rights, the more difficult itwill become for the Chemical and Medical Corportions (note I do notblame the doctors themselves - they DO have a will to help others) tostop the huge groundswell of Natural Healing. Freedom may have been won in this country but we have to be evervigilant to ensure it is not taken away...........Love PennyFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of Naturopathyian_shillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Kathy, that is really good advice. I have done that with politicians even in different countries, regarding animal rights, Threaten to boycott them. etc. Telling them you wont vote for them again is a good idea! Take good care. Love, Renee and Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Dear Kathy, As far as I'm concerned, this is OT as it pertains to the very existence of this group and groups like it. You may post the address of the citizen's group to this list. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Kathy Arenz herbal remedies Tuesday, February 06, 2001 8:30 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Naturopaths in Florida hello everyone,I, at one time, long ago worked for a lobbiest. I can tell you that thesingle most effective tool you can use against politics is your pen.Politicians only understand two things-money and votes. the former is easyfor a politician to come by once they know how, the latter however can betough. A good way to make your vote count many many times is to write aletter to all politicians that effect the issue you are concerned about. Inthe letter state that you are a voter, your concern, and then tell thepoliticians that you are not telling where you live at currently ( you willneed to give a return address PO box or relative) and that they will haveno second chances with you. Tell them that any incumbent (someone alreadyin office) will only get your vote if they uphold your interests THIS TERM.If they vote against or stay nuetral you will vote on a challenger. If youhandle your letters this way you will get the notice of many politiciansbecuase they will not know whether you are one of their constituents or notand they will not be able to give you that song and dance about " if youvote for me I promise to..." MOre than once. I hope this helps. If anyonehas questions please email me off list. I can give you an excellentcitizens group to contact.Kathyherbal remedies [herbal remedies ]Tuesday, February 06, 2001 4:55 PMherbal_remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Naturopaths in FloridaImportance: LowRight on. The actual fact is that my move to NM was planned before Ibecame aware of the bill due to an educational project I am involvedwith. The bill when it came along was just another battle front Iwasn't going to have to be involved with at the moment, though in truth,as my friends can attest, I like a good fight for "human rights" so Ikinda, sorta, almost wish I was able to be on the front lines there.More than likely, the front will eventually move here to New Mexico oron to a National level, and I'll have my hands full anyway.Penny's advice is good. Don't let it scare you. There are a lot of usout here, and with the internet as a communication medium we can carryour message to many people and take on these pharmaceuticals. If wecarry on as we have, I'm sure that eventually, we'll make "Naturopathy"into the senior healing practice of this country. We just gotta rollour sleeves up and hammer our reps in Washington to come around.Love,DocIan "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Penny Khaled herbal remedies Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:45 PM [herbal remedies] Naturopaths in Florida Dear Elaine, I am answering your query about the Legislation in Florida on theHR list as I think that all Herbalists should know about the Highly financed opposition to the Herbal Healing of one's self, using the God (Goddess, Allah, Woden, vishnu Supreme Being, Yahweh etc) given Plants.. Ian has left for New Mexico and has relocated there with his wife, sending his son out of State to be educated. He is near Datil, now and it is really in the wilds. He left Florida partly because of the recent Bill that was passed in Florida. This bill is as vicious as your friends - the Naturopaths - state. If I give a bottle of my tooth and gum formula to my mother andtell her it will help her gums heal, the MINIUMUN fine (if found guilty) is $10,000 and the MINIMUM jail sentence is TWO YEARS. Unless I amaMedical doctor. This is because of a new law slipped through at the end of lastyear in the Florida legislature. Here are the details from the Youngborn Institute. 10 Nov 00 07:47:25 PST Yungborn Naturopathic Institute <yungborn Penny Khaled <pennyclr75 Thank you for your letter. Yes the bill passed it was killed as bill 1625 because of all of the support from people like you however the power of the Drug companies and the greed of corrupt politicians to raise money to get re-elected seems to rule this system of government. The bill was attached to a different bill known as 591 at the last possible moment and the bill is now law in Florida. Once the bill became law in Florida it was sent to North Carolina and introduced however it was defeated on the floor. Dr.Dussault.................................................................. If you want further information contact the Institute. The Bill goes on to say that ANY TREATMENT SUCH AS A SAUNA, FOOD SUPPLEMENT, VITAMIN , HERB, FOOD, PLANT ETC. IF GIVEN TO HELPALLEVIATE ANY ILLNESS OR ANY CONDITION OF THE BODY MUST BE PRESCRIBED BY AMEDICAL DOCTOR. So, if you brew some chicken soup for your nieces flu - you are guilty of charges in this Bill. No case (as far as I know) has been bought before the bill. Ithink that it is being held back to use as an onslaught against Natural Healers by the Medical Companies and the Chemical Companies. I do not think that the Bill was passed to protect the People of Florida - it was passed to protect the Vested Interests - the Chemical and Medical Manufacturers. At the moment, however, you are gauranteed, under theConstitution, to be able to treat your own body in any way that you see fit. The purpose of this list (HR) is to give the knowledge freely so that EVERYONE will be able to treat themselves IF THEY SO WISH. Do not be frightened and cease your desire to learn about Herbs. That is just what the Medical and Chemical companies want you todo. The more of us who stand up for our rights, the more difficult it will become for the Chemical and Medical Corportions (note I do not blame the doctors themselves - they DO have a will to help others) to stop the huge groundswell of Natural Healing. Freedom may have been won in this country but we have to be ever vigilant to ensure it is not taken away...........Love Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Thanks hon. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Kathy Arenz herbal remedies Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:07 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Naturopaths in Florida Dear Doc,The organization I used to work for was called Ohio Citizen Action. Theywere a subsidiary of National citizen Action. At that time, there weresubsidiaries in most states. They are completely citizen funded. They willhelp you with voting records, laws pending etc. Years ago they wereinstrumental in the passing of the Superfund bill which of course has beenwarped of late but has done good work for our environment. They also have asubsidiary called Toxic Action Project. I am not sure of the web siteaddress but will search for it.LoveKathyherbal remedies [herbal remedies ]Tuesday, February 06, 2001 5:58 PMherbal_remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Naturopaths in FloridaImportance: LowDear Kathy,As far as I'm concerned, this is OT as it pertains to the very existenceof this group and groups like it. You may post the address of thecitizen's group to this list.Love,DocIan "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Kathy Arenz herbal remedies Tuesday, February 06, 2001 8:30 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Naturopaths in Florida hello everyone, I, at one time, long ago worked for a lobbiest. I can tell you thatthe single most effective tool you can use against politics is your pen. Politicians only understand two things-money and votes. the former iseasy for a politician to come by once they know how, the latter however canbe tough. A good way to make your vote count many many times is to writea letter to all politicians that effect the issue you are concernedabout. In the letter state that you are a voter, your concern, and then tell the politicians that you are not telling where you live at currently ( youwill need to give a return address PO box or relative) and that they willhave no second chances with you. Tell them that any incumbent (someonealready in office) will only get your vote if they uphold your interests THISTERM. If they vote against or stay nuetral you will vote on a challenger.If you handle your letters this way you will get the notice of manypoliticians becuase they will not know whether you are one of their constituentsor not and they will not be able to give you that song and dance about " ifyou vote for me I promise to..." MOre than once. I hope this helps. Ifanyone has questions please email me off list. I can give you an excellent citizens group to contact. Kathy herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] Tuesday, February 06, 2001 4:55 PM herbal_remedies Re: [herbal remedies] Naturopaths in Florida Importance: Low Right on. The actual fact is that my move to NM was planned before I became aware of the bill due to an educational project I am involved with. The bill when it came along was just another battle front I wasn't going to have to be involved with at the moment, though intruth, as my friends can attest, I like a good fight for "human rights" so I kinda, sorta, almost wish I was able to be on the front lines there. More than likely, the front will eventually move here to New Mexico or on to a National level, and I'll have my hands full anyway. Penny's advice is good. Don't let it scare you. There are a lot ofus out here, and with the internet as a communication medium we can carry our message to many people and take on these pharmaceuticals. If we carry on as we have, I'm sure that eventually, we'll make"Naturopathy" into the senior healing practice of this country. We just gotta roll our sleeves up and hammer our reps in Washington to come around. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. 505-772-5889 Dr.IanShillington - Penny Khaled herbal remedies Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:45 PM [herbal remedies] Naturopaths in Florida Dear Elaine, I am answering your query about the Legislation in Florida onthe HR list as I think that all Herbalists should know about the Highly financed opposition to the Herbal Healing of one's self, using theGod (Goddess, Allah, Woden, vishnu Supreme Being, Yahweh etc) given Plants.. Ian has left for New Mexico and has relocated there with hiswife, sending his son out of State to be educated. He is near Datil, nowand it is really in the wilds. He left Florida partly because of the recent Bill that waspassed in Florida. This bill is as vicious as your friends - the Naturopaths -state. If I give a bottle of my tooth and gum formula to my mother and tell her it will help her gums heal, the MINIUMUN fine (if found guilty)is $10,000 and the MINIMUM jail sentence is TWO YEARS. Unless I ama Medical doctor. This is because of a new law slipped through at the end of last year in the Florida legislature. Here are the details from the Youngborn Institute. 10 Nov 00 07:47:25 PST Yungborn Naturopathic Institute <yungborn Penny Khaled <pennyclr75 Thank you for your letter. Yes the bill passed it was killed as bill 1625 because of all of the support from people like you however the power of the Drug companies and the greed of corrupt politicians to raise money to get re-elected seems to rule this system of government. The bill was attached to a different bill known as 591 at the last possible moment and the bill is now law in Florida. Once the bill became law in Florida it was sent to North Carolina and introduced however it was defeated on the floor. Dr.Dussault................................................................ .. If you want further information contact the Institute. The Bill goes on to say that ANY TREATMENT SUCH AS A SAUNA, FOOD SUPPLEMENT, VITAMIN , HERB, FOOD, PLANT ETC. IF GIVEN TO HELP ALLEVIATE ANY ILLNESS OR ANY CONDITION OF THE BODY MUST BE PRESCRIBED BY A MEDICAL DOCTOR. So, if you brew some chicken soup for your nieces flu - you are guilty of charges in this Bill. No case (as far as I know) has been bought before the bill. I think that it is being held back to use as an onslaught against Natural Healers by the Medical Companies and the Chemical Companies. I do not think that the Bill was passed to protect the People of Florida - it was passed to protect the Vested Interests - theChemical and Medical Manufacturers. At the moment, however, you are gauranteed, under the Constitution, to be able to treat your own body in any way that you see fit. The purpose of this list (HR) is to give the knowledge freely so that EVERYONE will be able to treat themselves IF THEY SO WISH. Do not be frightened and cease your desire to learn about Herbs. That is just what the Medical and Chemical companies want you to do. The more of us who stand up for our rights, the more difficultit will become for the Chemical and Medical Corportions (note I do not blame the doctors themselves - they DO have a will to help others)to stop the huge groundswell of Natural Healing. Freedom may have been won in this country but we have to be ever vigilant to ensure it is not taken away...........Love Penny<=21DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC =22-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN=22><HTML><HEAD><META content=3D=22text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1=22 http-equiv=3DContent-=Type><META content=3D=22MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500=22 name=3DGENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=3D=23ffffff><DIV><FONT size=3D3>Dear Kathy,</FONT></DIV><DIV> & nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As far as I'm concerned, this is OT as it pertains to the very existen=ce of=20this group and groups like it.<FONT size=3D3> & nbsp; You may post the addres=s of=20the citizen's group to this list.</FONT></DIV><DIV> & nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Love,</DIV><DIV> & nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Doc</DIV><DIV> & nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Ian =22Doc=22 Shillington N.D.<BR>505-772-5889<BR><A=20href=3D=22Dr.IanShillington=40GilaNet.com=22>Dr.IanShillington=40Gil=aNet.com</A></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE=20style=3D=22BORDER-LEFT: =23000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT=: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px=22> <DIV style=3D=22FONT: 10pt arial=22>- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D=22BACKGROUND: =23e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=22>=<B></B>=20 <A href=3D=22karenz=40wvwise.org=22 title=3Dkarenz=40wvwise.org>Ka=thy Arenz</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D=22FONT: 10pt arial=22><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D=22herbal remedies=40=22=20 title=3Dherbal remedies=40>herbal remedies=40.c=om</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D=22FONT: 10pt arial=22><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 06, 20=01 8:30=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D=22FONT: 10pt arial=22><B>Subject:</B> RE: =5BHerbal_Remedie=s=5D=20 Naturopaths in Florida</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><TT>hello everyone,<BR>I, at one time, long ago worked for=a=20 lobbiest. & nbsp; I can tell you that the<BR>single most effective tool you=can=20 use against politics is your pen.<BR>Politicians only understand two=20 things-money and votes. & nbsp; the former is easy<BR>for a politician to c=ome=20 by once they know how, the latter however can be<BR>tough. & nbsp; A good w=ay to=20 make your vote count many many times is to write a<BR>letter to all=20 politicians that effect the issue you are concerned about. & nbsp; In<BR>th=e=20 letter state that you are a voter, your concern, and then tell=20 the<BR>politicians that you are not telling where you live at currently (=you=20 will<BR>need to give a return address PO box or relative) & nbsp; and that =they=20 will have<BR>no second chances with you. & nbsp; Tell them that any incumbe=nt=20 (someone already<BR>in office) will only get your vote if they uphold you=r=20 interests THIS TERM.<BR>If they vote against or stay nuetral you will vot=e on=20 a challenger. & nbsp; If you<BR>handle your letters this way you will get t=he=20 notice of many politicians<BR>becuase they will not know whether you are =one=20 of their constituents or not<BR>and they will not be able to give you tha=t=20 song and dance about =22 if you<BR>vote for me I promise to...=22 & nbsp; M=Ore than=20 once. & nbsp; I hope this helps. & nbsp; If anyone<BR>has questions please em=ail=20 me off list. & nbsp; I can give you an excellent<BR>citizens group to=20 contact.<BR>Kathy<BR><BR><BR>=20 herbal remedies=40<BR>=5Bherbal remedies=40gro=ups.com=5D<BR>Sent:=20 Tuesday, February 06, 2001 4:55 PM<BR>To:=20 herbal_remedies=40<BR>Re: =5Bherbal remedies=5D N=aturopaths=20 in Florida<BR>Importance: Low<BR><BR><BR>Right on. & nbsp; The actual fact =is=20 that my move to NM was planned before I<BR>became aware of the bill due t=o an=20 educational project I am involved<BR>with. & nbsp; The bill when it came al=ong=20 was just another battle front I<BR>wasn't going to have to be involved wi=th at=20 the moment, though in truth,<BR>as my friends can attest, I like a good f=ight=20 for =22human rights=22 so I<BR>kinda, sorta, almost wish I was able to be=on the=20 front lines there.<BR>More than likely, the front will eventually move he=re to=20 New Mexico or<BR>on to a National level, and I'll have my hands full=20 anyway.<BR><BR>Penny's advice is good. & nbsp; Don't let it scare you. & nbsp=;=20 There are a lot of us<BR>out here, and with the internet as a communicati=on=20 medium we can carry<BR>our message to many people and take on these=20 pharmaceuticals. & nbsp; If we<BR>carry on as we have, I'm sure that eventu=ally,=20 we'll make =22Naturopathy=22<BR>into the senior healing practice of this = country. & nbsp; We just gotta roll<BR>our sleeves up and hammer our reps i=n=20 Washington to come around.<BR><BR>Love,<BR><BR>Doc<BR><BR>Ian =22Doc=22=20 Shillington N.D.<BR>505-772-5889<BR>Dr.IanShillington=40GilaNet.com<BR> & n=bsp;=20 -<BR> & nbsp; Penny Khaled<BR> & nbsp; To:=20 herbal remedies=40<BR> & nbsp; Tuesday, February 06, 2=001=20 1:45 PM<BR> & nbsp; =5Bherbal remedies=5D Naturopaths in=20 Florida<BR><BR><BR> & nbsp; Dear Elaine,<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; =I am=20 answering your query about the Legislation in Florida on the<BR>HR<BR> & nb=sp;=20 list as I think that all Herbalists should know about the Highly<BR> & nbsp=;=20 financed opposition to the Herbal Healing of one's self, using the=20 God<BR> & nbsp; (Goddess, Allah, Woden, vishnu & nbsp; Supreme Being, Yahweh =etc)=20 given<BR> & nbsp; Plants..<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Ian has left f=or=20 New Mexico and has relocated there with his wife,<BR> & nbsp; sending his s=on=20 out of State to be educated. He is near Datil, now and<BR> & nbsp; it is re=ally=20 in the wilds.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; He left Florida partly & nb=sp;=20 because of the recent Bill that was passed<BR> & nbsp; in=20 Florida.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; This bill is as vicious as you=r=20 friends - the Naturopaths - state.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; If I=give=20 a bottle of my tooth and gum formula to my mother and<BR>tell<BR> & nbsp; h=er it=20 will help her gums heal, the MINIUMUN fine (if found guilty) is<BR> & nbsp;==20 =2410,000 and the MINIMUM jail sentence is TWO YEARS. Unless I=20 ama<BR>Medical<BR> & nbsp; doctor.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; This i=s=20 because of a new law slipped through at the end of last<BR>year<BR> & nbsp;=in=20 the Florida=20 legislature.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; He=re=20 are the details from the Youngborn=20 Institute.<BR><BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;=20 Date:<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbs=p; & nbsp; & nbsp;=20 10 Nov 00 07:47:25 PST<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;=20 <BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbs=p; & nbsp; & nbsp;=20 Yungborn Naturopathic Institute=20 & lt;yungborn=40netscape.net & gt;<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & n=bsp; & nbsp;=20 To:<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;= & nbsp; & nbsp;=20 Penny Khaled & lt;pennyclr75=40ij.net & gt;<BR><BR> & nbsp; Thank you for your==20 letter. Yes the bill passed it was killed as bill<BR> & nbsp; 1625 because =of=20 all of the support from people like you however the<BR> & nbsp; power of th=e=20 Drug companies and the greed of corrupt politicians to<BR> & nbsp; raise mo=ney=20 to get re-elected seems to rule this system of<BR> & nbsp; government. The =bill=20 was attached to a different bill known as 591<BR> & nbsp; at the last possi=ble=20 moment and the bill is now law in Florida. Once<BR> & nbsp; the bill became=law=20 in Florida it was sent to North Carolina and<BR> & nbsp; introduced however=it=20 was defeated on the floor.=20 Dr.<BR><BR>Dussault......................................................=..........<BR>..<BR><BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;=20 If you want further information contact the=20 Institute.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; The Bill goes on to say that=ANY=20 TREATMENT SUCH AS A SAUNA, FOOD<BR> & nbsp; SUPPLEMENT, VITAMIN , HERB, FOO=D,=20 PLANT ETC. IF GIVEN TO HELP<BR>ALLEVIATE<BR> & nbsp; ANY ILLNESS OR ANY=20 CONDITION OF THE BODY MUST BE PRESCRIBED BY A<BR>MEDICAL<BR> & nbsp;=20 DOCTOR.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; So, if you brew some chicken so=up=20 for your nieces flu - you are<BR> & nbsp; guilty of charges in this=20 Bill.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; No case (as far as I know) has be=en=20 bought before the bill. I<BR>think<BR> & nbsp; that it is being held back t=o use=20 as an onslaught against Natural<BR> & nbsp; Healers by the Medical Companie=s and=20 the Chemical Companies.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; I do not think =that=20 the Bill was passed to protect the People of<BR> & nbsp; Florida - it was p=assed=20 to protect the Vested Interests - the Chemical<BR> & nbsp; and Medical=20 Manufacturers.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; At the moment, however, =you=20 are gauranteed, under the<BR>Constitution,<BR> & nbsp; to be able to treat =your=20 own body in any way that you see fit.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; T=he=20 purpose of this list (HR) is to give the knowledge freely so<BR> & nbsp; th=at=20 EVERYONE will be able to treat themselves IF THEY SO=20 WISH.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Do not be frightened and cease yo=ur=20 desire to learn about Herbs.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; That is ju=st=20 what the Medical and Chemical companies want you=20 to<BR>do.<BR><BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; The more of us who stand =up=20 for our rights, the more difficult it<BR> & nbsp; will become for the Chemi=cal=20 and Medical Corportions (note I do not<BR> & nbsp; blame the doctors themse=lves=20 - they DO have a will to help others) to<BR> & nbsp; stop the huge groundsw=ell=20 of Natural Healing.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Freedom may have be=en=20 won in this country but we have to be ever<BR> & nbsp; vigilant to ensure i=t is=20 not taken away...........Love Penny</TT></BLOCKQUOTE><br><=21-- =7C**=7Cbegin egp html banner=7C**=7C --><table border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D2><tr bgcolor=3D=23FFFFCC><td align=3Dcenter><font size=3D=22-1=22 color=3D=23003399><b>=21 Grou=ps Sponsor</b></font></td></tr><tr bgcolor=3D=23FFFFFF><td width=3D470><form method=3D=22get=22 action=3D=22http://rd./M==3D176325.1307935.2900315.1248727/D=3Degroupmail/S=3D1700060815:N/A=3D56714=0/R=3D0/*http://whois.domains./domains_wresults.html=22><input typ=e=3D=22hidden=22 name=3D=22action=22 value=3D=221=22> <input type=3D=22hidd=en=22 name=3D=22property=22 value=3D=22domains=22><table border=3D=220=22 cellspacing=3D=220=22 cellpadding=3D=220=22 width==3D=22468=22 height=3D=2260=22 bgcolor=3D=22=23ff6600=22><tr><td align=3Dleft valign=3Dtop><A HREF=3D=22http://rd./M=3D1763=25.1307935.2900315.1248727/D=3Degroupmail/S=3D1700060815:N/A=3D567140/R=3D1=/*http://domains.=22><img src=3D=22http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.c=om/a/ya/_domain/d_josh2_left.gif=22 width=3D170 height=3D60 alt=3D=22==22 border=3D=220=22></a></td><td valign=3Dtop align=3Dleft><A HREF=3D=22http://rd./M=3D176325.1=307935.2900315.1248727/D=3Degroupmail/S=3D1700060815:N/A=3D567140/R=3D2/*ht=tp://domains.=22><img src=3D=22http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a=/ya/_domain/d_josh2_top.gif=22 width=3D298 height=3D30 alt=3D=22=22 bo=rder=3D=220=22></a><br><table cellpadding=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 border=3D0><t=r><td><font color=3D=22=23000000=22>www.</font><input type=3D=22text=22 nam=e=3D=22name=22 size=3D13value=3D=22joshpauljaffe=22> & nbsp; & nbsp;<input type=3D=22submit=22 name=3D==22Submit=22 value=3D=22grab your name=21=22></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></form></td></tr><tr><td><img alt=3D=22=22 width=3D1 height=3D1 src=3D=22http://us.adserver.=/l?M=3D176325.1307935.2900315.1248727/D=3Degroupmail/S=3D170006081=5:N/A=3D567140/rand=3D709845349=22></td></tr></table><=21-- =7C**=7Cend egp html banner=7C**=7C --><br><tt>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: & nbsp; <BR>1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. <BR>2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural rem=edy. & nbsp; <BR>3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and t=o<BR>prescribe for your own health. & nbsp; <BR>We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as=<BR>they behave themselves. & nbsp; <BR>Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person=<BR>following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. <BR>=It is up to you to educate yourself. & nbsp; By accepting advice or products =from list members, you are agreeing to <BR>be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and membe=rs free of any liability. <BR><BR>Dr. Ian Shillington<BR>Doctor of Naturopathy<BR>ian_shillington=40earthlink.net</tt><br></BODY></HTML>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of Naturopathyian_shillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 How about we send a care packe... Vice President Cheney could use the heart formula! lol Jamie - <rja86 <herbal remedies > Tuesday, February 06, 2001 6:39 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Naturopaths in Florida > Kathy, that is really good advice. I have done that with politicians > even in different countries, regarding animal rights, Threaten to > boycott them. etc. > Telling them you wont vote for them again is a good idea! > > Take good care. > > Love, > Renee and Jerry > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > ian_shillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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