Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 >Are all metal fillings mercury or what? most are silver and mercury amalgams but there are also gold fillings...which have other toxic metals to harden them and a few have copper + ? fillings non-metal plastics and ceramics and others exist too... Palladium is used in some dental device or filling..I forget which..and nickel... But most metal fillings are silver and mercury, as far as I know...Joanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 amalgam IS mercury (at least here it is). The only other option is solid gold or silver, or <tadaaah> porcellain. for all I know, anyways. COpper would be way too soft, never heard about that one Sorcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 No, Amalgam, by definition is an alloy or mixture of mercury with either silver or tin, or an alloy of other metals (but in dentistry, i have of heard it only as a mercury containing alloy) Mercury by itself at mouth temperature would be a liquid Both Silver and Gold completely by themselves are either too soft or unworkable in pure forms to fill teeth with. I know a guy from Finland who had copper alloy fillings. I have literature on all these filling mixtures and alloys...and have access to lots more..I will dig some out in a while..gotta feed kids now..Joanie >amalgam IS mercury (at least here it is). The only other option is solid >gold or silver, or <tadaaah> porcellain. > for all I know, anyways. COpper would be way too soft, never heard about >that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 >I wonder if the " tooth like " fillings are safe?? you mean white? well, there are lots of white fillings...plastic, ceramic... and for every one of them I bet I can find *someone* who has a problem with it..as in, sensitivities or reaction...I am on a couple of lists that deal with Amalgam filling problems (is why I know what i do, pretty much)....and these lists are full of horror stories concerning all sorts of fillings and chelating agents. Everyone is different though...there are ways of testing for sensitivities to filling materials before they are put in. Joanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 well, you know, that is all that i know, so it is triggering me to look up the various combinations of metals and stuff that have been used in fillings over the years....something I am curious about I think I passed chemistry, but only because we shut down the school to protest the war.... Nixon's minions broke into Daniel Berrigan's offices which were a block or so away during this time... who could study that sh*t (chemistry) when all this other was going on~~~~Joanie >---- >okayokayokay, I flunked chemistry:) >the above is what I meant, of course.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 from an article from a Canadian paper from Mar 1995 I kept that gets a bit into the components of fillings...but the info here is incomplete...I doubt anything is *pure*...Joanie DENTISTRY - Association official says new silver-tin alloy to be used soon <snip> THE FACTS - used for more than 150 years, silver-colored - Called amalgams, because they're an amalgam or mixture of mercury, silver and tin - typically contain about 50 per cent mercury, a heavy metal known to be toxic to living cells, tissues and organs - Dentistry acknowledges that trace amounts of mercury vapor are released from the fillings into the body, where it collects in the brain and other organs - These amounts aren't enough to cause disease or illness, say Canadian, American and British dental associations - Medical researchers who've done studies of the material in animals and people say the scientific evidence suggests otherwise. - Dentists prefer amalgam because it's cheaper than alternatives, More durable and easy and fast to put in people's mouths. MERCURY AMALGAM DENTAL FILLINGS The dentist fills the cavities with a durable material, usually a compost ( a tooth-colored material), a metal alloy called amalgam. Dentist drills out the decay, shapes tooth to hold a filling. Hole is filled with appropriate material for cavity's site and location. THE OPTIONS - Alternative fillings include white " plastic " resins, porcelain or gold inlays, and all-gold crowns. - Newer resins are expected to last at least seven years, compared with 20 or more for mercury amalgams. - Amalgam is preferred over resins to fill large cavities in back teeth, especially in people with a heavy bite. - Porcelain and gold lasts longer than either amalgams or resins, but are much more expensive. - Most dental insurance plans won't pay for porcelain or gold when amalgams or resins will do the job. AMALGAM MAKEUPS Tin (or tin and cooper and a trace of zinc) 15% Silver 35% Mercury 50% THE COST Comparative prices (approximate): For three tooth surfaces: - Bonded amalgam: $87 - Bonded resin: $107 - Porcelain or gold inlay: $425 For five tooth surfaces: - Bonded amalgam: $116 - Bonded resin: $146 - Porcelain inlay with gold crown or all-gold crown: $600 Steve Young, Calgary Herald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 Seeing the posts about fillings prompted me to bore you all with an update on my problem tooth (I had contacted the list about having tooth pain on Christmas Day) and many of you offered views on root canals. Well, I am now depressed - I thought the tooth was ok and my dentist went ahead and put the permanent crown on (the underlying tooth had had decay close to the nerve/root). I thought all was well but then started having pain again and went to the ondodontist who specializes in root canals. I got awful news 1. He said (and showed me the xray) that the canals may not be accessible even with his expertise and 2. during the procedure he would have to do at least 5 xrays!!!! I could see the bacteria in the canals on the xray. As the bacteria is encapsulated, nothing you take orally (antibiotic, herbs etc) makes any difference to it. It could also abcess at any time. Unfortunately I have a problem with anxiety/panic and when I came home I went into a low blood sugar attack also. I was shaky and anxious for hours. I know its silly. Anyway, now I am thinking of consulting with an oral surgeon about having the tooth extracted (molar) and then having a bridge. This will destroy about $1,500 worth of crowns in the process but the root canal would be $900 and if it wasn't successful, then what? Anyway, thanks for letting me get this off my chest. I still do not feel well from the anxiety and worry. My mouth has always been a problem and is full of mercury and/or crowns but I would risk losing all those teeth if I try to take out the mercury. I am down to 2 mercury fillings left. I am in my 60's and my health has been very good. I do take chorella daily to detox the metals. When I had a hair and blood analysis several years ago I did not show an excess of mercury. There are some things in life we cannot avoid. BTW Hulda Clark (The Cure for all Cancers) was telling people to get all their amalgams removed and replaced with a composite. Now she is telling people that the composite is carcinegenic. Anne > These amounts aren't enough to > cause disease or illness, say Canadian, American and British dental > associations - > --- > uh-huh... and then there was contagan... for example. > > Sorcygrowling > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 herbal remedies, " Maryland Organics " <garden@q...> wrote: > Seeing the posts about fillings prompted me to bore you all with an update > on my problem tooth (I had contacted the list about having tooth pain on > Christmas Day) and many of you offered views on root canals. Well, I am now > depressed - I thought the tooth was ok and my dentist went ahead and put the > permanent crown on (the underlying tooth had had decay close to the > nerve/root). I thought all was well but then started having pain again and > went to the ondodontist who specializes in root canals. I got awful news 1. > He said (and showed me the xray) that the canals may not be accessible even > with his expertise and 2. during the procedure he would have to do at least > 5 xrays!!!! I could see the bacteria in the canals on the xray. As the > bacteria is encapsulated, nothing you take orally (antibiotic, herbs etc) > makes any difference to it. It could also abcess at any time. Unfortunately > I have a problem with anxiety/panic and when I came home I went into a low > blood sugar attack also. I was shaky and anxious for hours. I know its > silly. Anyway, now I am thinking of consulting with an oral surgeon about > having the tooth extracted (molar) and then having a bridge. This will > destroy about $1,500 worth of crowns in the process but the root canal would > be $900 and if it wasn't successful, then what? Anyway, thanks for letting > me get this off my chest. I still do not feel well from the anxiety and > worry. My mouth has always been a problem and is full of mercury and/or > crowns but I would risk losing all those teeth if I try to take out the > mercury. I am down to 2 mercury fillings left. I am in my 60's and my health > has been very good. I do take chorella daily to detox the metals. When I had > a hair and blood analysis several years ago I did not show an excess of > mercury. There are some things in life we cannot avoid. BTW Hulda Clark (The > Cure for all Cancers) was telling people to get all their amalgams removed > and replaced with a composite. Now she is telling people that the composite > is carcinegenic. > Anne > > > These amounts aren't enough to > > cause disease or illness, say Canadian, American and British dental > > associations - > > --- > > uh-huh... and then there was contagan... for example. > > > > Sorcygrowling > > > >Hi! I'm new on this list, but wanted to mention to you that you might have another option that you should explore. I was in a similar situation several years ago. I had an abscess first,antibiotics and then a root canal.Next, the dentists prepared the tooth and made a gold crown.Everything seemed fine....but when I was called back for a routine check 6 months after the root canal, they asked me how my tooth felt with the crown and I said, well ok I guess, but it feels kind of " funny " sometimes. They knew a lot more than I did, and knew I shouldn't think that if everything was really ok.After very thorough examining by several experts, they told me they were certain that I had a cracked root, had had that in the beginning, but because it was a very fine crack in a very hard to see place they had missed it in the beginning.They were very decent about that and made a huge adjustment on the price of what I needed done next.Here is where your possible option comes in.Because I had " sound " teeth on each side they really felt it was bad dentistry to partially destroy those teeth and anchor a bridge to them.They reccommended a dental implant instead. This also has another advantage becaause the average life expected from a bridge is 11 to 15 years, and the implant is once for life.The initial cost is higher for the implant.I have had all this work done at a Dental School near me; the implant work was about $1500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 Thanks so much for pointing out that option. I do not know much about implants. On Monday I plan on picking up my xray from the ondodontist office and taking it to perhaps an oral surgeon and also going to another dentist. I have been pleased with my dentist for 20 years but this has really got me aggravated plus my husband and I both think he is not up to snuff anymore. Anne They reccommended a dental implant > instead. This also has another advantage becaause the average life > expected from a bridge is 11 to 15 years, and the implant is once for > life.The initial cost is higher for the implant.I have had all this > work done at a Dental School near me; the implant work was about $1500 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2001 Report Share Posted February 4, 2001 Are all metal fillings mercury or what? Anyone know? Thanks, Jamie - elaine davis herbal remedies Friday, February 02, 2001 6:21 PM Re: [herbal remedies] cilantro/Sorcy Sorcy remember what I told you I did last week, when one evening DH and I had a baked potato each with LOTS of SuperTonic on it, and LOTS of Cilantro pesto on it, plus that day I had drank apple juice into which I had put organic raw apple cider vinegar. Then the next morning, I got up, squeezed 6 tangerines and drank the juice, and then downed a teaspoon of powdered Cayenne pepper. I was dizzy and had pressure on my chest and worried that I was going to die. Seriously, I did not realize what I did until the next day and kicked my own self very hard in the back side. This is the thing someone should NOT do!!!! Elaine RE: [herbal remedies] cilantro/Sorcy and I cannot say that what i just said has been definitively proven, butwhat my sources tell me does make sense and puts me on guard...they say itis better to pull metals out of the body once the mouth metal has beenremoved...but I am not sure I ever want to step foot into a dentists officeagain...---------------------~-~>I have to verify that. DON"T do a detox unless the fillings are removed,or the cilantro will suck the mercury straight out of the teeth, causing apoisoning overload that might lead to kidney failure etc.... going intoshock would be one of the least results....I remember with horrors Penny's reports of her various cleanes and breakingout in all types of giant boils as the body tried to rid itsself of toomuch too fast.....SorcyFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of Naturopathyian_shillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2001 Report Share Posted February 4, 2001 I wonder if the " tooth like " fillings are safe?? Jamie - " Joanie MacPhee " <macphee <herbal remedies > Friday, February 02, 2001 7:55 PM Re: [herbal remedies] fillings > No, Amalgam, by definition is an alloy or mixture of mercury with either > silver or tin, > or an alloy of other metals (but in dentistry, i have of heard it only as a > mercury containing alloy) > > Mercury by itself at mouth temperature would be a liquid > > Both Silver and Gold completely by themselves are either too soft or > unworkable in pure forms to fill teeth with. > > I know a guy from Finland who had copper alloy fillings. > > I have literature on all these filling mixtures and alloys...and have access > to lots more..I will dig some out in a while..gotta feed kids now..Joanie > > > > >amalgam IS mercury (at least here it is). The only other option is solid > >gold or silver, or <tadaaah> porcellain. > > for all I know, anyways. COpper would be way too soft, never heard about > >that one > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > ian_shillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2001 Report Share Posted February 4, 2001 What a scarey world we live in! Thanks for all the info, Jamie - " Joanie MacPhee " <macphee <herbal remedies > Friday, February 02, 2001 8:13 PM Re: [herbal remedies] fillings > >I wonder if the " tooth like " fillings are safe?? > > you mean white? > well, there are lots of white fillings...plastic, ceramic... > and for every one of them I bet I can find *someone* who has a problem with > it..as in, sensitivities > or reaction...I am on a couple of lists that deal with Amalgam filling > problems (is why I know what i do, pretty much)....and these lists are full > of horror stories concerning all sorts of fillings and chelating agents. > > Everyone is different though...there are ways of testing for sensitivities > to filling materials before they are put in. Joanie > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > ian_shillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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