Dosages

[Guest guest]

The average weight of all people (male & female) is considered to be 150 lbs and so most recommended dosages are based at that weight.

 

To figure out your own dosage for a particular remedy, simply put your weight over 150 and the fraction you end up with is your own personal dosage.

 

IE. Let's say a person weighs 150, well - 150 / 150 equals 1 which means that person would take a single recommended dose. A person who weighed only 100 pounds would only take 2/3rds of the dose recommended as 100 / 150 breaks down mathematically to 2/3rds. A 75 pound child would take only half as much because 75 / 150 breaks down to 1/2. Conversely, a 300 pound man would take twice as much as 300 / 150 = 2

 

Get the idea?

 

Love,

 

Ian

 

Ian Shillington N.D.ian_shillington

 

Hi, Ian. Would you mind posting this again.......don't think I was onthe list then. Thanks.................Joan

[Guest guest]

The standard dosage of TT for an adult is 2 dropperfuls 3 to 4 times a day.

 

You can apply the "150" Rule in the files for children or for those who are overweight, but we are dealing with a tonic here that it is awful hard to overdose on if that were even possible. I've taken humongous quantities of this stuff with no ill effects whatsoever (over one pint in one day).

 

This formula will only do you good.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

 

How much total tonic should a person take? I need the amounts for the tincture as well as the dosage for strait from the fridge. Thanks.

 

Blessed Be!

MtMoonKitty

[Guest guest]

Doc Christopher's dosage formula is still the best I know of and I use it exclusively all the time. It's called the 150 rule. Take a person's weight and put that figure over 150. Reduce the resultant fraction down to its smallest common denominator and you have your dosage. I never go by age as that is too uncertain. You may have a six month old who weighs 15 lbs or 30 lbs depending on genetic makeup, health, etc. I would give these two babies totally different dosages though I might start both on just one drop of a tincture. Using the above rule, it would work out this way:Baby #1 @ 15 lbs would get this dosage. 15/150 reduces to 1/10th the normal dosage.Baby #2 @ 30 lbs would get this dosage. 30/150 reduces to 1/5th the normal dosage. When it comes to babies and the elderly who are really sick, I will test "one drop" on the patients tongue to see if

there is any adverse reaction first, and if none, will work up to the above formula dosages usually within the first day, always monitoring as I go along and increasing the dosage. I've given Cayenne to very young children starting with drops and ending with dropperfuls to tremendous results. leolafraim <ancandyb wrote:

I'm new here, so pardon my ignorance. I'm going to try the formula,but what's the "150 rule".

[Guest guest]

Bob, in your blue poppy promo you wrote " Standardized fractional extracts refer

to extracting the supposed active ingredient from an herb and then concentrating

that single chemical to a certain standard...the danger of including so-called

standardized fractional chemical extracts from medicinal herbs in dietary

supplements is that we are basically introducing new classes of drugs into our

food supply which do not have the documented safe use history enjoyed by the

whole herbs from which these chemical fractions are derived " However, most

so-called standardized extracts on the market are actually full spectrum

extracts. The standardization only means that one of the chemical ingredient is

at a fixed level so that there may be some consistency between batches.

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Andy Ellis was recently discussing the issue of standardized extracts.

He said that in fact, the standardized extracts are made by

introducing a known quantity of isolated marker chemicals into an

extact. For example, standardized extracts of ginseng are made by

using a poor quality ginseng and adding in isolated ginsenosides so

that it has a consistent minimum percentage. The isolated

ginsenosides are taken from ginseng whiskers (ren shen xu), which are

dirt cheap. The whiskers have very high levels of ginsenosides but

their ginsenoside profile is inferior to that found in the root body.

So I would have to agree with Bob Flaw's assessment that these

products are basically unknown new drugs- extracts of dubious quality

base ingredients with isolated or synthetic marker chemicals added,

most likely skewing the natural ratio of chemicals that the whole

extract contains.

 

I was under the same impression that Alon has expressed, that the

extracts were full-spectrum and just met a minimum standard. Andy

claims just the opposite, and he is a specialist in this area. Maybe

both products exist in the market.

 

Eric

 

, " "

<alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> Bob, in your blue poppy promo you wrote " Standardized fractional

extracts refer to extracting the supposed active ingredient from an

herb and then concentrating that single chemical to a certain

standard...the danger of including so-called standardized fractional

chemical extracts from medicinal herbs in dietary supplements is that

we are basically introducing new classes of drugs into our food supply

which do not have the documented safe use history enjoyed by the whole

herbs from which these chemical fractions are derived " However, most

so-called standardized extracts on the market are actually full

spectrum extracts. The standardization only means that one of the

chemical ingredient is at a fixed level so that there may be some

consistency between batches.

>

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was under the same impression that Alon has expressed, that the

extracts were full-spectrum and just met a minimum standard. Andy

claims just the opposite, and he is a specialist in this area. Maybe

both products exist in the market.

>>>>>The case may also be different for different herbs.

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " "

<alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> I was under the same impression that Alon has expressed, that the

> extracts were full-spectrum and just met a minimum standard. Andy

> claims just the opposite, and he is a specialist in this area.

Maybe

> both products exist in the market.

> >>>>>The case may also be different for different herbs.

>

 

Apparently, only about 70-90 Chinese herbs have a commercially

available reference standard to test for marker chemicals in the

first place.

 

Interestingly, extract companies don't further process minerals and

gelatins when they are making single agent products; the product is

not actually an extract, simply a finely-ground powder. Most of the

stones aren't very water soluble in the first place, and the gelatins

just become a gooey mess if you try to cook them a second time.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

Alon,

 

I wasn't talking about the standardized CM extracts that most of us

use. I was talking about standardized " fractional " extracts as found

in the nutraceutical industry.

 

Bob

 

, " "

<alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> Bob, in your blue poppy promo you wrote " Standardized fractional

extracts refer to extracting the supposed active ingredient from an

herb and then concentrating that single chemical to a certain

standard...the danger of including so-called standardized fractional

chemical extracts from medicinal herbs in dietary supplements is that

we are basically introducing new classes of drugs into our food supply

which do not have the documented safe use history enjoyed by the whole

herbs from which these chemical fractions are derived " However, most

so-called standardized extracts on the market are actually full

spectrum extracts. The standardization only means that one of the

chemical ingredient is at a fixed level so that there may be some

consistency between batches.

>

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wasn't talking about the standardized CM extracts that most of us

use. I was talking about standardized " fractional " extracts as found

in the nutraceutical industry.

>>>>>Bob, do you know if for example the usual hypericum extract are

" fractional, " to my understanding they are not.

Alon

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Eric Brand " <smilinglotus>

wrote:

> Andy Ellis was recently discussing the issue of standardized extracts.

> He said that in fact, the standardized extracts are made by

> introducing a known quantity of isolated marker chemicals into an

> extact. F

 

 

This is not a universal truism. some companies produce the products as you

describe, others

produce whole plant full spectrum extracts with no isolates added. Many

European

companies produce these spiked products, but many American companies do full

spectrum

extracts. This is because in the EU, these are often used like drugs, but in

the US health food

market we demand full spectrum. US mass market is probably more like Europe,

though. I

thought BP products are made with guaranteed minimum levels of actives in the

raw

ingredients, as are japanese granules. honso guarantees minimum levels and I do

not think

these is any spiking going on in the japanese granule market. Thus BP and KPC

products are

both pretty much standardized as I see it. Lets be clear what we are talking

about here. This

dismissal of standardization with such a blanket generalization is not only

incorrect, it makes

us look bad.

 

[Guest guest]

, " " <alonmarcus@w...>

wrote:

> I was under the same impression that Alon has expressed, that the

> extracts were full-spectrum and just met a minimum standard. Andy

> claims just the opposite, and he is a specialist in this area. Maybe

> both products exist in the market.

> >>>>>The case may also be different for different herbs.

>

 

Alon is correct. I think people may be putting words in Andy's mouth or are not

clear what

he was talking about.

 

[Guest guest]

, " " <alonmarcus@w...>

wrote:

>

> I wasn't talking about the standardized CM extracts that most of us

> use. I was talking about standardized " fractional " extracts as found

> in the nutraceutical industry.

> >>>>>Bob, do you know if for example the usual hypericum extract are

" fractional, " to

my understanding they are not.

> Alon

>

 

I think sometimes they are, sometimes not. We cannot generalize, but must

investigate every

company.

 

[Guest guest]

simply a finely-ground powder

>>>>Eric, minerals cannot be concentrated.

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Bob Flaws "

<pemachophel2001> wrote:

> Alon,

>

> I wasn't talking about the standardized CM extracts that most of us

> use. I was talking about standardized " fractional " extracts as found

> in the nutraceutical industry.

>

> Bob

 

 

The CM extracts from Taiwan that are typically used in the West are

not " standardized " extracts (i.e. 3% ginsenosides, etc). They are

full-spectrum extracts that mimic traditional water extraction. They

are tested to contain the correct marker chemicals but they aren't

made to have a fixed amount of the marker chemicals, simply the

natural amount that occurs in the grade of product that they have

selected. They often list the number of grams of crude drug per gram

of powder, but they are not standardized like the nutraceutical extracts.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

> Alon is correct. I think people may be putting words in Andy's

mouth or are not clear what

> he was talking about.

>

 

 

Andy wasn't talking about the products that we use. He was saying

that products like KPC, etc. were made from full-spectrum extracts

that guarantee the presence of marker chemicals without adding a fixed

quantity of isolates, in other words, the desirable product from our

perspective.

 

The isolate/crude mixture products that he was referencing are the

stuff that you see in the healthfood store that is fixed to a given %

of active ingredients.

 

" Standardized " obviously has two interpretations. The products with

minimum marker levels and stated ratios of crude-to-extract are

different than the products that are standardized to a certain

percentage of marker chemicals.

 

Eric

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

, " "

<alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> simply a finely-ground powder

> >>>>Eric, minerals cannot be concentrated.

 

Of course you can't concentrate a pure mineral. But the way that

minerals are used will obviously vary the amount that someone ingests.

If you decoct 30 g of powdered shi gao and drink the

coarsely-filtered decoction with the dregs, you will ingest a

different quantity than if you used a finely filtered, extended

decoction of coarsely broken shi gao. Both would give you a different

quantity of gypsum intake from the swallowing of a granule powder that

has pure, untreated shi gao- and a home-compounded granule mixture

would often have ALL medicinals reduced in quantity by a factor of

five to accomodate the way most Western practitioners adjust their

decoction-to-granule dosages.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

" The CM extracts from Taiwan that are typically used in the West are

> not " standardized " extracts (i.e. 3% ginsenosides, etc). "

 

I used the word " standardized in referring to these since they are

standardized to a concentration ratio. In other words, each batch

should be same. I was not referring to " fractional " standards of

individual chemical compounds.

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

They often list the number of grams of crude drug per gram

of powder, but they are not standardized like the nutraceutical extracts.

>>>>Unfortunately they do not in the US so we do not know the individual

concentrations

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " "

<alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> They often list the number of grams of crude drug per gram

> of powder, but they are not standardized like the nutraceutical

extracts.

> >>>>Unfortunately they do not in the US so we do not know the

individual concentrations

 

I've been surprised by the variance in composition between companies

on some formulas. For example, the Taiwanese company " ke da " makes

an Yu Ping Feng San granule extract in which 6.0 g of granule powder

provides 15 g crude huang qi, 5 g crude bai zhu, and 5 g crude fang

feng. By contrast, zhuang song rong makes an yu ping feng san

granule with a ratio of 2 parts bai zhu, 1 part huang qi, and 1 part

fang feng (I can't remember exactly how many crude grams per granule-

it is listed but I don't remember it off the top of my head). Point

being, there is significant variation and the " ke da " ratio is more

to my liking in this example.

 

If someone has a question about the ratio of a specific formula, I

can check the crude-extract ratio if they provide the company name

and formula. The Taiwanese labels generally include this info.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

I always use 100 Proof = 50% Alcohol / 50% Distilled Water.

I get 200 Proof USP Grain Ethanol and cut it 50/50.

You don't need to heat the juices as the alcohol will sterilze them.

Standard dosage for all of my recipes is 2 dropperfuls 3 times a day for the average adult.

Remember the 150 Rule for Kids and for those who are obese (in the Files).

All the best,

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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herbal remedies-owner (AT) Groups (DOT) com

Friday, January 12, 2007 12:16 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Flyer #11 Dynamic Duo

 

Hello There:

 

Could you please tell me what the ratio of water to grain alcohol you use?

 

And also, do you heat the juices before you add them to the tincture to sterilize them?

 

Also, what is the dosage that you put on the bottles?

 

Thank you so much!

 

Rachelle :-)

 

 

 

-

Dr. Ian Shillington

herbal remedies

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:03 PM

Herbal Remedies - Flyer #11 Dynamic Duo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Dynamic Duo

 

Organic Solutions manufactures an Echinacea Plus formula tincture which is second to none. Period! We have our Echinacea Angustifolia Roots Wildcrafted (here in the US) early in the morning and shipped to us the same day packed in wet burlap and ice. We fill our gallon jars ¾ full with this fresh root and then add a special distilled water/alcohol combination to start extracting the essential oils and vital chemicals out of the root. The brew is ready to press two weeks later, however most of our jars brew for six months or more as it does get better with age. We then press it on the Full Moon just as the Farmers and Master Herbalists of olden days used to do, thus drawing out the maximum amount of goodness. After this pressing, a small amount of Organic Garlic and Organic Habanero juices are added to increase absorption into the body for faster and more potent results.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Echinacea+ Ingredients:

Wildcrafted Echinacea Angustifolia root, Organic Garlic juice, Organic Habanero juice in a base of distilled water and alcohol.

Total Tonic All-Organic Ingredients:

Garlic Bulb, Turmeric Root, Horseradish Root, Onion Bulb, Ginger Root, Cilantro, and Cayenne Peppers in a base of Organic Raw Unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar.

The second great formula to this duo is our Total Tonic. Total Tonic is a simplified version of ole Doc Christopher’s Anti-Plague formula. This formula taken with Echinacea will successfully wipe out any Cold or Flu bug going around. By themselves they are awesome enough, but taken together they are unbeatable in handling viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites. This Dynamic Duo is Mother Nature’s all-natural antibiotic with no negative effects or damage to helpful intestinal flora in your system.

 

Research Story

by Doc Shillington

I’ve been researching and working for over 10 years to find an herbal formula that could do it all, and I finally found it. In an emergency situation, if I could have only one herb, it would be CAYENNE. In a non-emergency or every day circumstance, that one essential herb would be GARLIC. One of the most controversial items on the market for the last twenty years has been DMSO (a chemical Sulfur compound) derived from pine trees used in the Pulp and Paper industry. I have met several people over the years who have sworn their cancer, their heart disease, etc. etc. had been cured by the use of this product. One of the latest crazes on the market is MSM (a purified chemical Sulfur compound) that is also manufactured in the Pulp and Paper industry. Similar healing claims have been made about MSM. Even a century ago, many cures were effected by the Medicos using Sulfa drugs and the use of Sulfur was recognized world-wide as an accepted medical tool. Well guess what? Garlic has more sulfur per cubic inch than any other herb (food), and is naturally composed of 77 different sulfur compounds. Garlic is one of the few places to find DMSO and MSM in high quantities in their natural state, with all the essential nutrients and enzymes necessary to process that Sulfur. Many of you are aware of the fact that, Organic Raw Unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar is one of the most effective catalysts used to help the body absorb herbs, vitamins and minerals. Total Tonic has it all. Total Tonic gives you all the above compounds naturally. There is no better formula that you can take. Love, Doc

Organic Solutions: 411 Cleveland St. # - 188., Clearwater, FL 33755

727-447-5282

[Guest guest]

By the time your tincture is done, the final mixture has been diluted by the herbs and their biochemistry.

As long as one doesn't drink one's extracts like some wino from skid row, there should be no problems.

There is actually about the same amount of alcohol in a ripe banana as there is in a tincture made from 100 Proof (50% Alcohol) Vodka.

Love,

Doc

PS. I think you meant to say 80 Proof = 40% Vodka ;-)

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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herbal remedies-owner (AT) Groups (DOT) com

Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:30 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Dosages

 

Just curious, wouldn't this be harder on the liver verses using something like 80% Vodka?

 

Thank you!

Rachelle

 

 

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Dr. Ian Shillington

herbal remedies

Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:05 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Dosages

 

 

 

I always use 100 Proof = 50% Alcohol / 50% Distilled Water.

I get 200 Proof USP Grain Ethanol and cut it 50/50.

You don't need to heat the juices as the alcohol will sterilze them.

Standard dosage for all of my recipes is 2 dropperfuls 3 times a day for the average adult.

Remember the 150 Rule for Kids and for those who are obese (in the Files).

All the best,

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc (AT) AcademyOfNaturalHealing (DOT) com

 

-

herbal remedies-owner (AT) Groups (DOT) com

Friday, January 12, 2007 12:16 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Flyer #11 Dynamic Duo

 

Hello There:

 

Could you please tell me what the ratio of water to grain alcohol you use?

 

And also, do you heat the juices before you add them to the tincture to sterilize them?

 

Also, what is the dosage that you put on the bottles?

 

Thank you so much!

 

Rachelle :-)

 

 

 

-

Dr. Ian Shillington

herbal remedies

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:03 PM

Herbal Remedies - Flyer #11 Dynamic Duo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Dynamic Duo

 

Organic Solutions manufactures an Echinacea Plus formula tincture which is second to none. Period! We have our Echinacea Angustifolia Roots Wildcrafted (here in the US) early in the morning and shipped to us the same day packed in wet burlap and ice. We fill our gallon jars ¾ full with this fresh root and then add a special distilled water/alcohol combination to start extracting the essential oils and vital chemicals out of the root. The brew is ready to press two weeks later, however most of our jars brew for six months or more as it does get better with age. We then press it on the Full Moon just as the Farmers and Master Herbalists of olden days used to do, thus drawing out the maximum amount of goodness. After this pressing, a small amount of Organic Garlic and Organic Habanero juices are added to increase absorption into the body for faster and more potent results.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Echinacea+ Ingredients:

Wildcrafted Echinacea Angustifolia root, Organic Garlic juice, Organic Habanero juice in a base of distilled water and alcohol.

Total Tonic All-Organic Ingredients:

Garlic Bulb, Turmeric Root, Horseradish Root, Onion Bulb, Ginger Root, Cilantro, and Cayenne Peppers in a base of Organic Raw Unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar.

The second great formula to this duo is our Total Tonic. Total Tonic is a simplified version of ole Doc Christopher’s Anti-Plague formula. This formula taken with Echinacea will successfully wipe out any Cold or Flu bug going around. By themselves they are awesome enough, but taken together they are unbeatable in handling viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites. This Dynamic Duo is Mother Nature’s all-natural antibiotic with no negative effects or damage to helpful intestinal flora in your system.

 

Research Story

by Doc Shillington

I’ve been researching and working for over 10 years to find an herbal formula that could do it all, and I finally found it. In an emergency situation, if I could have only one herb, it would be CAYENNE. In a non-emergency or every day circumstance, that one essential herb would be GARLIC. One of the most controversial items on the market for the last twenty years has been DMSO (a chemical Sulfur compound) derived from pine trees used in the Pulp and Paper industry. I have met several people over the years who have sworn their cancer, their heart disease, etc. etc. had been cured by the use of this product. One of the latest crazes on the market is MSM (a purified chemical Sulfur compound) that is also manufactured in the Pulp and Paper industry. Similar healing claims have been made about MSM. Even a century ago, many cures were effected by the Medicos using Sulfa drugs and the use of Sulfur was recognized world-wide as an accepted medical tool. Well guess what? Garlic has more sulfur per cubic inch than any other herb (food), and is naturally composed of 77 different sulfur compounds. Garlic is one of the few places to find DMSO and MSM in high quantities in their natural state, with all the essential nutrients and enzymes necessary to process that Sulfur. Many of you are aware of the fact that, Organic Raw Unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar is one of the most effective catalysts used to help the body absorb herbs, vitamins and minerals. Total Tonic has it all. Total Tonic gives you all the above compounds naturally. There is no better formula that you can take. Love, Doc

Organic Solutions: 411 Cleveland St. # - 188., Clearwater, FL 33755

727-447-5282

[Guest guest]

Pretty much spot on.

Not that he wouldn't get great wins from just doing it at standard dosages, he'd get more out of it if he doubled everything in the Tinctures, Teas and Total Nutrition/Udo's Oil areas.

The one regimen he'd need to follow separately would be the Intestinal Cleanse and the Intestinal Detox since they have their own protocol as in the files. In some instances and depending on the person, I'd even double these.

All the best,

Doc

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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LadyNeel

herbal remedies-owner

Friday, January 19, 2007 10:40 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Dosages

 

On the subject of dosages, let's say you have a 300 lb. man who wants to do a cleanse. Would you double the amounts of everything for the 4 weeks? So he would need to purchase two of everything? I need clarification. )

 

Michelle N.