Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Hi I've fasted a few times before, water only mostly. I've always had great results. My mind set has changed about food a lot and my feeling is that we should definatly eat to live and not the other way round as society would have us believe. I train a lot in martial arts, and yoga and simple jogging etc I eat a very healthy(non meat and little dairy) diet. I have a lot of energy usually. I want to maintain my health and keep my body 'on it's toes' so to speak. I hate the idea of regimented 'meal times' where we eat because of the time rather than if we're hungry or not!! I want to intergrate fasting into my weekly life to keep my body working at optimum, keep my weight down, and keep my mentality about what I eat thankfull for what I eat and for the delicious taste. I've read about alternate day fasting, one day normal eating, one day water and tea only(or juice if you like), etc Total is 3 days fasting or juice fasting each week. Please tell me your thoughts on this. Ive heard great things about long term benefits but when I search on the internet Im just given so much rubbish about 'starvation mode' and bla bla...I'm sick of it, whats wrong with those people ?Starvation mode happens when you've used up all or most of your fat supplies...you'd have to have been fasting for ages.. anyway. Im happy to take advice from those who know from experience or knowledge. How about 2 or 3 days fasting per week. Healthy? Not healthy? As for exercise??? Thank you Have a great day Kayte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I hope people will write a lot of responses to this, and get some activity back into this board. If you actually feel healthier and more energetic, and are keeping away those little ailments and preventing the big ones as a result of fasting two or three days a week, then definitely go for it. After all some ancient sage did say that we live on one quarter of what we eat, and our doctor lives on the other three quarters. Now Paul Bragg fasted one day a week, with periodic longer fasts. I tend to like the idea myself of a once-a-month plan, but I've not fasted for a while, thinking I should wait until I get a cancer screening. Allan Cott's warning of fasting in the presence of tumors would seem to suggest the idea that the fasting process would activate the mechanism that causes well-established tumors to spread, and so therefore it's good to make sure you don't have any of those to begin with. But the idea of possibly dissolving small tumors such as skin tags by fasting kind of intrigues me. I'm in my mid forties and find that periodically I have added inches to my waistline. And I would like to believe that getting back into fasting on a periodic basis would pair back these inches. Not necessarily because of the calories I'm not eating during a fast, but because the detoxing and repair afforded by fasting would among other things correct the metabolic quirks that cause this weight gain to begin with. Does that make sense? And think of what fasting could do for those who are told by their doctor that their cholesterol won't budge even though they are " doing everything right " , and are being pressured by all powers that be to take an expensive medication. I've been kind of nagged by a certain question. You know how they say that if you do something good for your body too often, the body adapts and the regimen loses its effectiveness? Whether that thing be medication, running a certain distance, dieting or what have you. But what about fasting? Could the body develop a dependency that makes the fasting less effective per unit time spent doing it? What experiences do fasters have for or against this supposition? Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Actually I think our bodies were meant for fasting. That is the reason our energy level goes way up when fasting. If we ran out of energy when we ran out of food mankind would be extinct. I am trying to keep my will power going. I am on day 4. I am trying for 3 weeks. I have lost two belt sizes already. Wish me luck. We are so used to eating it gets to be a habit, it feels good. The fast food industry know what we like, fats and sweets. In the hunter gatherer days those things were important to obtain and hard to get. Thus we crave them. I went a natural practitioner and she proscribed some herbs for tea. I am taking the during the fast. I think it would help heal to have herbal teas during a fast. I have not read anything on the subject, but it seems logical. If anyone has inputs it would be appreciated. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/ Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 ------ ------ ------ -------- On Behalf Of Billy Gard Friday, October 05, 2007 12:54 AM Re:two days fasting each week I hope people will write a lot of responses to this, and get some activity back into this board. If you actually feel healthier and more energetic, and are keeping away those little ailments and preventing the big ones as a result of fasting two or three days a week, then definitely go for it. After all some ancient sage did say that we live on one quarter of what we eat, and our doctor lives on the other three quarters. Now Paul Bragg fasted one day a week, with periodic longer fasts. I tend to like the idea myself of a once-a-month plan, but I've not fasted for a while, thinking I should wait until I get a cancer screening. Allan Cott's warning of fasting in the presence of tumors would seem to suggest the idea that the fasting process would activate the mechanism that causes well-established tumors to spread, and so therefore it's good to make sure you don't have any of those to begin with. But the idea of possibly dissolving small tumors such as skin tags by fasting kind of intrigues me. I'm in my mid forties and find that periodically I have added inches to my waistline. And I would like to believe that getting back into fasting on a periodic basis would pair back these inches. Not necessarily because of the calories I'm not eating during a fast, but because the detoxing and repair afforded by fasting would among other things correct the metabolic quirks that cause this weight gain to begin with. Does that make sense? And think of what fasting could do for those who are told by their doctor that their cholesterol won't budge even though they are " doing everything right " , and are being pressured by all powers that be to take an expensive medication. I've been kind of nagged by a certain question. You know how they say that if you do something good for your body too often, the body adapts and the regimen loses its effectiveness? Whether that thing be medication, running a certain distance, dieting or what have you. But what about fasting? Could the body develop a dependency that makes the fasting less effective per unit time spent doing it? What experiences do fasters have for or against this supposition? Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I take candida clear when I fast Its a bunch of herbs that kill the bad bacteria in your body as well as any infestations you may have picked up I kno0w it sounds gross but candida poisoning is quite common Its the bacteria that eats us when we die Clogs your colon liver bladder fat cells and so much else Makes it impossiblke fir you to lose weight unless you fast which puts it in a dormant stage and more easily riddable. Best of luck I also find that coffee helps clean you out and curbs the appetite Steep green tea in a gallon of water in the fridge and slam on that all day Juices your immune system.. Its ready when it looks like pee pee LOL  Nicoel Suzanne Bookszilla.net ×´ ¨)¸.·´¸.· ´¨) ¸.·*¨)*~ Nikki ~*`·.´·.¸¸.·´¨`» ---- Robert Ratliff 10/5/2007 10:17:15 AM RE: Re:two days fasting each week Actually I think our bodies were meant for fasting. That is the reasonour energy level goes way up when fasting. If we ran out of energy whenwe ran out of food mankind would be extinct. I am trying to keep my willpower going. I am on day 4. I am trying for 3 weeks. I have lost twobelt sizes already. Wish me luck. We are so used to eating it gets to bea habit, it feels good. The fast food industry know what we like, fats and sweets. In the huntergatherer days those things were important to obtain and hard to get.Thus we crave them. I went a natural practitioner and she proscribed some herbs for tea. Iam taking the during the fast. I think it would help heal to have herbalteas during a fast. I have not read anything on the subject, but itseems logical.If anyone has inputs it would be appreciated. Best Regards, Robert RatliffGardeninginPanama/Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006-------------------------- [ ] On Behalf Of Billy GardFriday, October 05, 2007 12:54 AM Subject: Re:two days fasting each weekI hope people will write a lot of responses to this, and get someactivityback into this board.If you actually feel healthier and more energetic, and are keeping awaythose little ailments and preventing the big ones as a result of fastingtwoor three days a week, then definitely go for it. After all some ancientsagedid say that we live on one quarter of what we eat, and our doctor livesonthe other three quarters. Now Paul Bragg fasted one day a week, withperiodic longer fasts.I tend to like the idea myself of a once-a-month plan, but I've notfastedfor a while, thinking I should wait until I get a cancer screening.AllanCott's warning of fasting in the presence of tumors would seem tosuggestthe idea that the fasting process would activate the mechanism thatcauseswell-established tumors to spread, and so therefore it's good to makesureyou don't have any of those to begin with. But the idea of possiblydissolving small tumors such as skin tags by fasting kind of intriguesme.I'm in my mid forties and find that periodically I have added inches tomywaistline. And I would like to believe that getting back into fasting onaperiodic basis would pair back these inches. Not necessarily because ofthecalories I'm not eating during a fast, but because the detoxing andrepairafforded by fasting would among other things correct the metabolicquirksthat cause this weight gain to begin with. Does that make sense?And think of what fasting could do for those who are told by theirdoctorthat their cholesterol won't budge even though they are "doingeverythingright", and are being pressured by all powers that be to take anexpensivemedication.I've been kind of nagged by a certain question. You know how they saythatif you do something good for your body too often, the body adapts andtheregimen loses its effectiveness? Whether that thing be medication,running acertain distance, dieting or what have you. But what about fasting?Couldthe body develop a dependency that makes the fasting less effective perunittime spent doing it? What experiences do fasters have for or againstthissupposition?Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Never heard of candida clear. I will have to do some research. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/ Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 -- On Behalf Of Nikki Books Zilla Friday, October 05, 2007 4:43 PM To: RE: Re:two days fasting each week _,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Here is a test for candida. Do This Simply Home Test - When you first wake up in the morning, before you do anything else to your mouth. Work up some Saliva and spit into a clear glass of water. Leave it for up to a half an hour, and if in that time you see strings coming down from your Saliva, or the water turned cloudy, or if your Saliva sank to the bottom, you may have Candida - healthy Saliva will float on top. From here. http://www.naturalcandidacleanse.com/3/ Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/ Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 -- On Behalf Of Nikki Books Zilla Friday, October 05, 2007 4:43 PM To: RE: Re:two days fasting each week I take candida clear when I fast Its a bunch of herbs that kill the bad bacteria in your body as well as any infestations you may have picked up I kno0w it sounds gross but candida poisoning is quite common Its the bacteria that eats us when we die Clogs your colon liver bladder fat cells and so much else Makes it impossiblke fir you to lose weight unless you fast which puts it in a dormant stage and more easily riddable. Best of luck I also find that coffee helps clean you out and curbs the appetite Steep green tea in a gallon of water in the fridge and slam on that all day Juices your immune system.. Its ready when it looks like pee pee LOL  Nicoel Suzanne Bookszilla.net ×´ ¨) ¸.·´¸.· ´¨) ¸.·*¨) *~ Nikki ~*`·.´·.¸¸.·´¨`» ---- Robert Ratliff 10/5/2007 10:17:15 AM RE: Re:two days fasting each week Actually I think our bodies were meant for fasting. That is the reason our energy level goes way up when fasting. If we ran out of energy when we ran out of food mankind would be extinct. I am trying to keep my will power going. I am on day 4. I am trying for 3 weeks. I have lost two belt sizes already. Wish me luck. We are so used to eating it gets to be a habit, it feels good. The fast food industry know what we like, fats and sweets. In the hunter gatherer days those things were important to obtain and hard to get. Thus we crave them. I went a natural practitioner and she proscribed some herbs for tea. I am taking the during the fast. I think it would help heal to have herbal teas during a fast. I have not read anything on the subject, but it seems logical. If anyone has inputs it would be appreciated. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/ Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- -------- On Behalf Of Billy Gard Friday, October 05, 2007 12:54 AM Re:two days fasting each week I hope people will write a lot of responses to this, and get some activity back into this board. If you actually feel healthier and more energetic, and are keeping away those little ailments and preventing the big ones as a result of fasting two or three days a week, then definitely go for it. After all some ancient sage did say that we live on one quarter of what we eat, and our doctor lives on the other three quarters. Now Paul Bragg fasted one day a week, with periodic longer fasts. I tend to like the idea myself of a once-a-month plan, but I've not fasted for a while, thinking I should wait until I get a cancer screening. Allan Cott's warning of fasting in the presence of tumors would seem to suggest the idea that the fasting process would activate the mechanism that causes well-established tumors to spread, and so therefore it's good to make sure you don't have any of those to begin with. But the idea of possibly dissolving small tumors such as skin tags by fasting kind of intrigues me. I'm in my mid forties and find that periodically I have added inches to my waistline. And I would like to believe that getting back into fasting on a periodic basis would pair back these inches. Not necessarily because of the calories I'm not eating during a fast, but because the detoxing and repair afforded by fasting would among other things correct the metabolic quirks that cause this weight gain to begin with. Does that make sense? And think of what fasting could do for those who are told by their doctor that their cholesterol won't budge even though they are " doing everything right " , and are being pressured by all powers that be to take an expensive medication. I've been kind of nagged by a certain question. You know how they say that if you do something good for your body too often, the body adapts and the regimen loses its effectiveness? Whether that thing be medication, running a certain distance, dieting or what have you. But what about fasting? Could the body develop a dependency that makes the fasting less effective per unit time spent doing it? What experiences do fasters have for or against this supposition? Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 I think fasting 1 or 2 days a week gives our body some time to clean out some of the dross from the residue of our eating habits since birth. I'm inclined to agree with Robert, that our bodies were meant for fasting, and I am particularly interested in the concept of sun energy providing all the necessary ingredients to sustain our lives.There is a guy in India who has water fasted for over a year by gazing at the sun for a few minutes each day. See link below for more info http://www.welikeitraw.com/rawfood/2006/05/sun_gazing_101.html And while I love fasting, I do regular juice fasting from 3 to 10 days at a time and am soo looking forward to doing a 40 day fast when Ive got some time off, I think the most important aspect to fasting is WHAT you break the fast with and what foods you eat in between fasts. So the fasting cleans out and gives the system a rest, but if on the eating days you eat processed dead food with no living enzymes in it then you are just undoing all the good from the fast...and this is where I see here a fine line between fasting for health and bordering on an eating disorder. I start to validate eating pizza or cake because I know Im going to fast again soon and the fast will make me feel better again and I don't have to take responsibility for what I put in my mouth. It seems easier for me to do a juice fast than it is to be strict with my food intake. Yeah, so Kayte, I am all for fasting, and I am equally about educating yourself to what foods are good to have when youre not fasting. Ideally for me I am working towards a raw vegan diet (fruits,veges,nuts,seeds) fasting 1 to 2 days a week like yourself, and doing 1 40day water fast a year. I think after a few years of living like that, Ill have a visible halo around my head! All the best, Rose ---- yogini_kayte 04/10/2007 12:29:17 two days fasting each week Hi I've fasted a few times before, water only mostly. I've always had great results. My mind set has changed about food a lot and my feeling is that we should definatly eat to live and not the other way round as society would have us believe. I train a lot in martial arts, and yoga and simple jogging etc I eat a very healthy(non meat and little dairy) diet. I have a lot of energy usually. I want to maintain my health and keep my body 'on it's toes' so to speak. I hate the idea of regimented 'meal times' where we eat because of the time rather than if we're hungry or not!! I want to intergrate fasting into my weekly life to keep my body working at optimum, keep my weight down, and keep my mentality about what I eat thankfull for what I eat and for the delicious taste. I've read about alternate day fasting, one day normal eating, one day water and tea only(or juice if you like), etc Total is 3 days fasting or juice fasting each week. Please tell me your thoughts on this. Ive heard great things about long term benefits but when I search on the internet Im just given so much rubbish about 'starvation mode' and bla bla...I'm sick of it, whats wrong with those people ?Starvation mode happens when you've used up all or most of your fat supplies...you'd have to have been fasting for ages.. anyway. Im happy to take advice from those who know from experience or knowledge. How about 2 or 3 days fasting per week. Healthy? Not healthy? As for exercise??? Thank you Have a great day Kayte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 I do not believe anyone water can fast for a year, no matter how fat he or she is. I heard of a convention where some people clamed that but were found hiding candy under their bed. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/ Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 -- On Behalf Of Rose Saturday, October 06, 2007 8:34 AM To: Re: two days fasting each week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 You might go for a longer period of time on the Master Cleanse. They use maple syrup or molasses. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/ Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 -- On Behalf Of Nikki Books Zilla Saturday, October 06, 2007 4:57 PM To: RE: two days fasting each week Maybe with vitamins and green tea LOL  Nicoel Suzanne Bookszilla.net ×´ ¨) ¸.·´¸.· ´¨) ¸.·*¨) *~ Nikki ~*`·.´·.¸¸.·´¨`» ---- Robert Ratliff 10/06/07 11:43:36 RE: two days fasting each week I do not believe anyone water can fast for a year, no matter how fat he or she is. I heard of a convention where some people clamed that but were found hiding candy under their bed. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/ Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 -- -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Rose Saturday, October 06, 2007 8:34 AM Re: two days fasting each week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Maybe with vitamins and green tea LOL  Nicoel Suzanne Bookszilla.net ×´ ¨)¸.·´¸.· ´¨) ¸.·*¨)*~ Nikki ~*`·.´·.¸¸.·´¨`» ---- Robert Ratliff 10/06/07 11:43:36 RE: two days fasting each week I do not believe anyone water can fast for a year, no matter how fat he or she is. I heard of a convention where some people clamed that but were found hiding candy under their bed. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 -- On Behalf Of RoseSaturday, October 06, 2007 8:34 AM Subject: Re: two days fasting each week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 <<< So the fasting cleans out and gives the system a rest, but if on the eating days you eat processed dead food with no living enzymes in it then you are just undoing all the good from the fast...and this is where I see here a fine line between fasting for health and bordering on an eating disorder. >>> That reminds me of the premise that when you begin cutting your hair it will cause it to grow several times faster. I did hear many times about how people who lose weight gain it back really fast, even though they gained their original weight over a great period of time. But does toxicity work the same way? Does getting clean by fasting increase the vulnerability of the body to sucking back in the toxins? I'd like to think that once the body is clean by fasting, it will be a cleanness as rugged as it was the last time the body was that clean years ago, before I heard of fasting. So it almost sounds as if fasting is a delicate balancing act. While it may reduce the immediate toxic levels in the body, that cleansed state is a really unstable one, ready to reabsorb toxins again faster than over, leaving you worse off than before fasting. This is an accurate picture of what is going on? Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 No, no, I didn't mean that fasting makes you more vulnerable to toxicity, rather there is so much residue in our systems that hasn't been eliminated and gets built up over the years, hardens into mucoid plaque (among other things), and presents illness in its later stage. Toxicity comes from the food we eat. The body can only digest organic material, inorganic material leaves residue within the body and does not fully get eliminated. So to take the body back to a cleansed state through fasting or any other means, is a slow process that possibly will take years. Billy, you talk of taking the body back to a cleansed state and I have to wonder, was there ever a time you could say you were in that state? Even in the womb and as a baby, my nourishment came through my mothers diet; the pasturised milk, the bread, meat, the canola oil....when I was born I was already in a state of needing to be detoxed, and then I was brought up on flour, butter, sugar, salt and oil as a constant, daily ritual. So my original point was to say that dead, processed food creates the problems in the first place. If that is what we eat between fasts, then I see it as taking two steps forward and one step backwards and still, we hurt the body. I realise I am making a lot of absolutes here and in my first post (which was actually, my first ever post on the Internet!) and I am unsure of forum etiquette and what is required, such as, is it needed that I supply evidence for my statements, is it needed that I verify I am not arrogantly trying to preach MY WAY, would it be more soft on the reader if I were to include "I think", "I believe", "perhaps", or "from what I have read"? So just to clarify for my own sake, I am a student of natural hygiene and I am passionate about this subject and am open to learning and being corrected if someone believes I am off track. Regards, Rose ---- Billy Gard 08/10/2007 13:11:56 Re: two days fasting each week <<< So the fasting cleans out and gives the system a rest, but if on the eating days you eat processed dead food with no living enzymes in it then you are just undoing all the good from the fast...and this is where I see here a fine line between fasting for health and bordering on an eating disorder. >>> That reminds me of the premise that when you begin cutting your hair it will cause it to grow several times faster. I did hear many times about how people who lose weight gain it back really fast, even though they gained their original weight over a great period of time. But does toxicity work the same way? Does getting clean by fasting increase the vulnerability of the body to sucking back in the toxins? I'd like to think that once the body is clean by fasting, it will be a cleanness as rugged as it was the last time the body was that clean years ago, before I heard of fasting. So it almost sounds as if fasting is a delicate balancing act. While it may reduce the immediate toxic levels in the body, that cleansed state is a really unstable one, ready to reabsorb toxins again faster than over, leaving you worse off than before fasting. This is an accurate picture of what is going on? Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 You are doing fine. And I think you are on the right track on nutrition and fasting. I agree, eating right is the bottom line, fasting just helps if you are switching to a more nutritious lifestyle. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 - Wild Rose Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:47 PM Re: Re: two days fasting each week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Rose wrote: "I realise I am making a lot of absolutes here and in my first post (which was actually, my first ever post on the Internet!) and I am unsure of forum etiquette and what is required, such as, is it needed that I supply evidence for my statements, is it needed that I verify I am not arrogantly trying to preach MY WAY, would it be more soft on the reader if I were to include "I think", "I believe", "perhaps", or "from what I have read"?" ======================= Hi Rose Welcome! I just wanted to comment on this portion of your post at this point. I think your post is fine, but I would also agree that it is good to provide resources when you have them because it helps people do their own research. In my opinion, it is essential that each person do research and even to investigate opposing views, too. So although it isn't necessary to document every statement, it is helpful if you can share resources. So it's not really a matter of "proving" your statements, but rather sharing helpful resources when possible so that others can do their own research. As for including "I believe" or "from what I have read", it isn't necessary, but could be helpful at times, because I think a lot of people are more receptive to information that is presented that way. That's entirely up to you, though. I would encourage you to just be yourself. I appreciate your post and encourage you to continue posting! Rachel ©2003 LongBraid Designs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 The key is to not eat toxic foods. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/ Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 ------ ------ ------ -------- So it almost sounds as if fasting is a delicate balancing act. While it may reduce the immediate toxic levels in the body, that cleansed state is a really unstable one, ready to reabsorb toxins again faster than over, leaving you worse off than before fasting. This is an accurate picture of what is going on? Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 whats up Robert, check out this web site, www.freedomyou.com Robert Ratliff <bratliff wrote: Actually I think our bodies were meant for fasting. That is the reasonour energy level goes way up when fasting. If we ran out of energy whenwe ran out of food mankind would be extinct. I am trying to keep my willpower going. I am on day 4. I am trying for 3 weeks. I have lost twobelt sizes already. Wish me luck. We are so used to eating it gets to bea habit, it feels good. The fast food industry know what we like, fats and sweets. In the huntergatherer days those things were important to obtain and hard to get.Thus we crave them. I went a natural practitioner and she proscribed some herbs for tea. Iam taking the during the fast. I think it would help heal to have herbalteas during a fast. I have not read anything on the subject, but itseems logical.If anyone has inputs it would be appreciated. Best Regards, Robert RatliffGardeninginPanama/Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006-------------------------- [ ] On Behalf Of Billy GardFriday, October 05, 2007 12:54 AM Subject: Re:two days fasting each weekI hope people will write a lot of responses to this, and get someactivityback into this board.If you actually feel healthier and more energetic, and are keeping awaythose little ailments and preventing the big ones as a result of fastingtwoor three days a week, then definitely go for it. After all some ancientsagedid say that we live on one quarter of what we eat, and our doctor livesonthe other three quarters. Now Paul Bragg fasted one day a week, withperiodic longer fasts.I tend to like the idea myself of a once-a-month plan, but I've notfastedfor a while, thinking I should wait until I get a cancer screening.AllanCott's warning of fasting in the presence of tumors would seem tosuggestthe idea that the fasting process would activate the mechanism thatcauseswell-established tumors to spread, and so therefore it's good to makesureyou don't have any of those to begin with. But the idea of possiblydissolving small tumors such as skin tags by fasting kind of intriguesme.I'm in my mid forties and find that periodically I have added inches tomywaistline. And I would like to believe that getting back into fasting onaperiodic basis would pair back these inches. Not necessarily because ofthecalories I'm not eating during a fast, but because the detoxing andrepairafforded by fasting would among other things correct the metabolicquirksthat cause this weight gain to begin with. Does that make sense?And think of what fasting could do for those who are told by theirdoctorthat their cholesterol won't budge even though they are "doingeverythingright", and are being pressured by all powers that be to take anexpensivemedication.I've been kind of nagged by a certain question. You know how they saythatif you do something good for your body too often, the body adapts andtheregimen loses its effectiveness? Whether that thing be medication,running acertain distance, dieting or what have you. But what about fasting?Couldthe body develop a dependency that makes the fasting less effective perunittime spent doing it? What experiences do fasters have for or againstthissupposition?Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 I have really been concerned about my drinking water lately A middle school kid did a test for class on drinking water up and down her state Antibiotics, steroids, and all kinds of drugs, both illegal and prescription were found in her tests. I know antibiotics kill the good bacteria in your system. I don't want to be a weirdo and start wearing aluminum foil on my head but I have to wonder. How much of this stuff am I taking in? Bleached flour is horrible for you, but chlorine aint great either, Makes you wonder. I have had great results incorporating coconut oil into my diet and using it on my skin. And again when I fast and I havent eaten anything in days, and I take that candida clear.... All of a sudden I'm producing a LOT of waste... Double flusher kind of waste. What the heck is in my guts and how long has it been in there?  Nicoel Suzanne ×´ ¨)¸.·´¸.· ´¨) ¸.·*¨)*~ Nikki ~*`·.´·.¸¸.·´¨`» ---- Wild Rose 10/7/2007 9:10:22 PM Re: Re: two days fasting each week No, no, I didn't mean that fasting makes you more vulnerable to toxicity, rather there is so much residue in our systems that hasn't been eliminated and gets built up over the years, hardens into mucoid plaque (among other things), and presents illness in its later stage. Toxicity comes from the food we eat. The body can only digest organic material, inorganic material leaves residue within the body and does not fully get eliminated. So to take the body back to a cleansed state through fasting or any other means, is a slow process that possibly will take years. Billy, you talk of taking the body back to a cleansed state and I have to wonder, was there ever a time you could say you were in that state? Even in the womb and as a baby, my nourishment came through my mothers diet; the pasturised milk, the bread, meat, the canola oil....when I was born I was already in a state of needing to be detoxed, and then I was brought up on flour, butter, sugar, salt and oil as a constant, daily ritual. So my original point was to say that dead, processed food creates the problems in the first place. If that is what we eat between fasts, then I see it as taking two steps forward and one step backwards and still, we hurt the body. I realise I am making a lot of absolutes here and in my first post (which was actually, my first ever post on the Internet!) and I am unsure of forum etiquette and what is required, such as, is it needed that I supply evidence for my statements, is it needed that I verify I am not arrogantly trying to preach MY WAY, would it be more soft on the reader if I were to include "I think", "I believe", "perhaps", or "from what I have read"? So just to clarify for my own sake, I am a student of natural hygiene and I am passionate about this subject and am open to learning and being corrected if someone believes I am off track. Regards, Rose ---- Billy Gard 08/10/2007 13:11:56 Re: two days fasting each week <<< So the fasting cleans out and gives the system a rest, but if on the eating days you eat processed dead food with no living enzymes in it then you are just undoing all the good from the fast...and this is where I see here a fine line between fasting for health and bordering on an eating disorder. >>> That reminds me of the premise that when you begin cutting your hair it will cause it to grow several times faster. I did hear many times about how people who lose weight gain it back really fast, even though they gained their original weight over a great period of time. But does toxicity work the same way? Does getting clean by fasting increase the vulnerability of the body to sucking back in the toxins? I'd like to think that once the body is clean by fasting, it will be a cleanness as rugged as it was the last time the body was that clean years ago, before I heard of fasting. So it almost sounds as if fasting is a delicate balancing act. While it may reduce the immediate toxic levels in the body, that cleansed state is a really unstable one, ready to reabsorb toxins again faster than over, leaving you worse off than before fasting. This is an accurate picture of what is going on? Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Antwan, Thank-you for providing the link. When I first began to fast I did not have a computer. So....so much information was not available to me. However I found the book by Tom McGregor called, " Fasting to Freedom " and then I had found the book, " God's Banquet Table " by: Ron Lagerquist & Tom Coghill. After I had gotten a computer I found that information is readily available,at your finger tips. So thank-you for proving the link. I feel it is sound information...on fasting :0) Robert, I have to agree, I too feel that our bodies were made for fasting. I wish more folks would adheare to it,and reap the benifits. You had mentioned a " tea " . I am not sure what type of tea was provided for you. But you may want to search out a tea....called, 'swamp tea' It is used by the Native Americans alot for health and healing. Peace, Bonnie In , Antwan Penn <esiasemanuel wrote: > > whats up Robert, check out this web site, www.freedomyou.com > > > Robert Ratliff <bratliff wrote: > Actually I think our bodies were meant for fasting. That is the reason > our energy level goes way up when fasting. If we ran out of energy when > we ran out of food mankind would be extinct. I am trying to keep my will > power going. I am on day 4. I am trying for 3 weeks. I have lost two > belt sizes already. Wish me luck. We are so used to eating it gets to be > a habit, it feels good. > > The fast food industry know what we like, fats and sweets. In the hunter > gatherer days those things were important to obtain and hard to get. > Thus we crave them. > > I went a natural practitioner and she proscribed some herbs for tea. I > am taking the during the fast. I think it would help heal to have herbal > teas during a fast. I have not read anything on the subject, but it > seems logical. > If anyone has inputs it would be appreciated. > > Best Regards, Robert Ratliff > > GardeninginPanama/ > Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). > Skype name bobinpanama2006 > ------------------------- > ------------------------- > ------------------------- > -------- > > > > On Behalf Of Billy Gard > Friday, October 05, 2007 12:54 AM > > Re:two days fasting each week > > I hope people will write a lot of responses to this, and get some > activity > back into this board. > > If you actually feel healthier and more energetic, and are keeping away > those little ailments and preventing the big ones as a result of fasting > two > or three days a week, then definitely go for it. After all some ancient > sage > did say that we live on one quarter of what we eat, and our doctor lives > on > the other three quarters. Now Paul Bragg fasted one day a week, with > periodic longer fasts. > > I tend to like the idea myself of a once-a-month plan, but I've not > fasted > for a while, thinking I should wait until I get a cancer screening. > Allan > Cott's warning of fasting in the presence of tumors would seem to > suggest > the idea that the fasting process would activate the mechanism that > causes > well-established tumors to spread, and so therefore it's good to make > sure > you don't have any of those to begin with. But the idea of possibly > dissolving small tumors such as skin tags by fasting kind of intrigues > me. > > I'm in my mid forties and find that periodically I have added inches to > my > waistline. And I would like to believe that getting back into fasting on > a > periodic basis would pair back these inches. Not necessarily because of > the > calories I'm not eating during a fast, but because the detoxing and > repair > afforded by fasting would among other things correct the metabolic > quirks > that cause this weight gain to begin with. Does that make sense? > > And think of what fasting could do for those who are told by their > doctor > that their cholesterol won't budge even though they are " doing > everything > right " , and are being pressured by all powers that be to take an > expensive > medication. > > I've been kind of nagged by a certain question. You know how they say > that > if you do something good for your body too often, the body adapts and > the > regimen loses its effectiveness? Whether that thing be medication, > running a > certain distance, dieting or what have you. But what about fasting? > Could > the body develop a dependency that makes the fasting less effective per > unit > time spent doing it? What experiences do fasters have for or against > this > supposition? > > Billy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 For water quality, I agree. Get yourself a distiller. What results did you have with coconut oil? I do not know abut the candida clear. I have not used it, but it’s doing something for sure. All that stuff probably should not be inside. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/ Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 -- On Behalf Of Nikki Books Zilla Monday, October 08, 2007 12:45 PM To: Re: Re: two days fasting each week I have really been concerned about my drinking water lately A middle school kid did a test for class on drinking water up and down her state Antibiotics, steroids, and all kinds of drugs, both illegal and prescription were found in her tests. I know antibiotics kill the good bacteria in your system. I don't want to be a weirdo and start wearing aluminum foil on my head but I have to wonder. How much of this stuff am I taking in? Bleached flour is horrible for you, but chlorine aint great either, Makes you wonder. I have had great results incorporating coconut oil into my diet and using it on my skin. And again when I fast and I havent eaten anything in days, and I take that candida clear.... All of a sudden I'm producing a LOT of waste... Double flusher kind of waste. What the heck is in my guts and how long has it been in there?  Nicoel Suzanne ×´ ¨) ¸.·´¸.· ´¨) ¸.·*¨) *~ Nikki ~*`·.´·.¸¸.·´¨`» ---- Wild Rose 10/7/2007 9:10:22 PM Re: Re: two days fasting each week No, no, I didn't mean that fasting makes you more vulnerable to toxicity, rather there is so much residue in our systems that hasn't been eliminated and gets built up over the years, hardens into mucoid plaque (among other things), and presents illness in its later stage. Toxicity comes from the food we eat. The body can only digest organic material, inorganic material leaves residue within the body and does not fully get eliminated. So to take the body back to a cleansed state through fasting or any other means, is a slow process that possibly will take years. Billy, you talk of taking the body back to a cleansed state and I have to wonder, was there ever a time you could say you were in that state? Even in the womb and as a baby, my nourishment came through my mothers diet; the pasturised milk, the bread, meat, the canola oil....when I was born I was already in a state of needing to be detoxed, and then I was brought up on flour, butter, sugar, salt and oil as a constant, daily ritual. So my original point was to say that dead, processed food creates the problems in the first place. If that is what we eat between fasts, then I see it as taking two steps forward and one step backwards and still, we hurt the body. I realise I am making a lot of absolutes here and in my first post (which was actually, my first ever post on the Internet!) and I am unsure of forum etiquette and what is required, such as, is it needed that I supply evidence for my statements, is it needed that I verify I am not arrogantly trying to preach MY WAY, would it be more soft on the reader if I were to include " I think " , " I believe " , " perhaps " , or " from what I have read " ? So just to clarify for my own sake, I am a student of natural hygiene and I am passionate about this subject and am open to learning and being corrected if someone believes I am off track. Regards, Rose ---- Billy Gard 08/10/2007 13:11:56 Re: two days fasting each week <<< So the fasting cleans out and gives the system a rest, but if on the eating days you eat processed dead food with no living enzymes in it then you are just undoing all the good from the fast...and this is where I see here a fine line between fasting for health and bordering on an eating disorder. >>> That reminds me of the premise that when you begin cutting your hair it will cause it to grow several times faster. I did hear many times about how people who lose weight gain it back really fast, even though they gained their original weight over a great period of time. But does toxicity work the same way? Does getting clean by fasting increase the vulnerability of the body to sucking back in the toxins? I'd like to think that once the body is clean by fasting, it will be a cleanness as rugged as it was the last time the body was that clean years ago, before I heard of fasting. So it almost sounds as if fasting is a delicate balancing act. While it may reduce the immediate toxic levels in the body, that cleansed state is a really unstable one, ready to reabsorb toxins again faster than over, leaving you worse off than before fasting. This is an accurate picture of what is going on? Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 I am using home made herbal teas made by a local witch doctor, er.... herbalist. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/ Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 ------ ------ ------ -------- On Behalf Of srewolf_bl Monday, October 08, 2007 5:22 PM Re:two days fasting each week Antwan, Thank-you for providing the link. When I first began to fast I did not have a computer. So....so much information was not available to me. However I found the book by Tom McGregor called, " Fasting to Freedom " and then I had found the book, " God's Banquet Table " by: Ron Lagerquist & Tom Coghill. After I had gotten a computer I found that information is readily available,at your finger tips. So thank-you for proving the link. I feel it is sound information...on fasting :0) Robert, I have to agree, I too feel that our bodies were made for fasting. I wish more folks would adheare to it,and reap the benifits. You had mentioned a " tea " . I am not sure what type of tea was provided for you. But you may want to search out a tea....called, 'swamp tea' It is used by the Native Americans alot for health and healing. Peace, Bonnie In , Antwan Penn <esiasemanuel wrote: > > whats up Robert, check out this web site, www.freedomyou.com > > > Robert Ratliff <bratliff wrote: > Actually I think our bodies were meant for fasting. That is the reason > our energy level goes way up when fasting. If we ran out of energy when > we ran out of food mankind would be extinct. I am trying to keep my will > power going. I am on day 4. I am trying for 3 weeks. I have lost two > belt sizes already. Wish me luck. We are so used to eating it gets to be > a habit, it feels good. > > The fast food industry know what we like, fats and sweets. In the hunter > gatherer days those things were important to obtain and hard to get. > Thus we crave them. > > I went a natural practitioner and she proscribed some herbs for tea. I > am taking the during the fast. I think it would help heal to have herbal > teas during a fast. I have not read anything on the subject, but it > seems logical. > If anyone has inputs it would be appreciated. > > Best Regards, Robert Ratliff > > GardeninginPanama/ > Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). > Skype name bobinpanama2006 > ------------------------- > ------------------------- > ------------------------- > -------- > > > > On Behalf Of Billy Gard > Friday, October 05, 2007 12:54 AM > > Re:two days fasting each week > > I hope people will write a lot of responses to this, and get some > activity > back into this board. > > If you actually feel healthier and more energetic, and are keeping away > those little ailments and preventing the big ones as a result of fasting > two > or three days a week, then definitely go for it. After all some ancient > sage > did say that we live on one quarter of what we eat, and our doctor lives > on > the other three quarters. Now Paul Bragg fasted one day a week, with > periodic longer fasts. > > I tend to like the idea myself of a once-a-month plan, but I've not > fasted > for a while, thinking I should wait until I get a cancer screening. > Allan > Cott's warning of fasting in the presence of tumors would seem to > suggest > the idea that the fasting process would activate the mechanism that > causes > well-established tumors to spread, and so therefore it's good to make > sure > you don't have any of those to begin with. But the idea of possibly > dissolving small tumors such as skin tags by fasting kind of intrigues > me. > > I'm in my mid forties and find that periodically I have added inches to > my > waistline. And I would like to believe that getting back into fasting on > a > periodic basis would pair back these inches. Not necessarily because of > the > calories I'm not eating during a fast, but because the detoxing and > repair > afforded by fasting would among other things correct the metabolic > quirks > that cause this weight gain to begin with. Does that make sense? > > And think of what fasting could do for those who are told by their > doctor > that their cholesterol won't budge even though they are " doing > everything > right " , and are being pressured by all powers that be to take an > expensive > medication. > > I've been kind of nagged by a certain question. You know how they say > that > if you do something good for your body too often, the body adapts and > the > regimen loses its effectiveness? Whether that thing be medication, > running a > certain distance, dieting or what have you. But what about fasting? > Could > the body develop a dependency that makes the fasting less effective per > unit > time spent doing it? What experiences do fasters have for or against > this > supposition? > > Billy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Rachel, I am touched by your feedback....so supportive and insightful It is exactly the reassurance I needed to keep posting and putting my thoughts out there, so thank you! All the best, Rose ---- Rachel D 09/10/2007 00:49:37 RE: Re: two days fasting each week Rose wrote: "I realise I am making a lot of absolutes here and in my first post (which was actually, my first ever post on the Internet!) and I am unsure of forum etiquette and what is required, such as, is it needed that I supply evidence for my statements, is it needed that I verify I am not arrogantly trying to preach MY WAY, would it be more soft on the reader if I were to include "I think", "I believe", "perhaps", or "from what I have read"?" ======================= Hi Rose Welcome! I just wanted to comment on this portion of your post at this point. I think your post is fine, but I would also agree that it is good to provide resources when you have them because it helps people do their own research. In my opinion, it is essential that each person do research and even to investigate opposing views, too. So although it isn't necessary to document every statement, it is helpful if you can share resources. So it's not really a matter of "proving" your statements, but rather sharing helpful resources when possible so that others can do their own research. As for including "I believe" or "from what I have read", it isn't necessary, but could be helpful at times, because I think a lot of people are more receptive to information that is presented that way. That's entirely up to you, though. I would encourage you to just be yourself. I appreciate your post and encourage you to continue posting! Rachel ©2003 LongBraid Designs ©2003 LongBraid Designs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Hi Robert, Im assuming you are doing a water fast? There are so many different viewpoints on the proper way to fast. Have you come across the Soil and Health Library? It has an incredible amount of information regarding natural nutrition, written by natural hygienists and nature cure peoples of yesteryear, and also more recent publications. This site is a wealth of knowledge http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/02healthlibwelcome.html A naturopath will say to take supplements herbs and supplements to speed up the cleaning. So they include Hydrated Bentonite (liquid clay that is a magnet for toxic waste as it moves through the bowl) see link http://www.eytonsearth.org/drinking-clay-internal-use.php Oxygenated magnesium http://www.oxypowder.com/magnesium.html, to also get the bowl moving, herbs in tincture form and on the Internet you can get various intestinal cleanser to eliminate parasites as well as toxic waste see link; http://www.relfe.com/colon_cleansing.html For the modern health practitioner, its all about speeding up the healing process. As for Herbal Teas, they can assist with moving stuff as well..Dandelion, Burdock for the liver, Fenugreek for mucous For the Nature Cure practitioners of the early 1900's, fasting was part of a complete system, and relied on more natural forms of support, such as sun baths in the am or pm, dry skin brushing to invigorate the skin and assist in elimination and air baths (being naked outside in the air). Arnold Erhet (Mucousless Diet Healing System)http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020129ehret.fasting/020129.ehret.fasting.PDF advocated putting a bit of lemon in the water to assist the cleaning. He likened it washing your dishes with water as opposed to lemon. He also believed in enemas twice a day to keep everything moving. To me this sounds most effective..but I would imagine the sensations would be extreme! Dr Linda Hazzard fasted over 3000 people on water with enemas twice per day until they reached a state of 'natural hunger' which often meant a long fast. Her book is fascinating http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020107hazzard/02010700frame.html And although he is not specifically about fasting, one of my fav modern day advocates is Ross Horne, any of his books! http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020121horne/020121toc.html So Robert, I hope you find something here that inspires you on your journey like it has me...I am going away for a week so I wont be here to respond, but good luck with your fast and thank you for you words of encouragement in your previous post! All the best, Rose Robert Ratliff <bratliff wrote: Actually I think our bodies were meant for fasting. That is the reasonour energy level goes way up when fasting. If we ran out of energy whenwe ran out of food mankind would be extinct. I am trying to keep my willpower going. I am on day 4. I am trying for 3 weeks. I have lost twobelt sizes already. Wish me luck. We are so used to eating it gets to bea habit, it feels good. The fast food industry know what we like, fats and sweets. In the huntergatherer days those things were important to obtain and hard to get.Thus we crave them. I went a natural practitioner and she proscribed some herbs for tea. Iam taking the during the fast. I think it would help heal to have herbalteas during a fast. I have not read anything on the subject, but itseems logical.If anyone has inputs it would be appreciated. Best Regards, Robert RatliffGardeninginPanama/Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006-------------------------- [ ] On Behalf Of Billy GardFriday, October 05, 2007 12:54 AM Subject: Re:two days fasting each weekI hope people will write a lot of responses to this, and get someactivityback into this board.If you actually feel healthier and more energetic, and are keeping awaythose little ailments and preventing the big ones as a result of fastingtwoor three days a week, then definitely go for it. After all some ancientsagedid say that we live on one quarter of what we eat, and our doctor livesonthe other three quarters. Now Paul Bragg fasted one day a week, withperiodic longer fasts.I tend to like the idea myself of a once-a-month plan, but I've notfastedfor a while, thinking I should wait until I get a cancer screening.AllanCott's warning of fasting in the presence of tumors would seem tosuggestthe idea that the fasting process would activate the mechanism thatcauseswell-established tumors to spread, and so therefore it's good to makesureyou don't have any of those to begin with. But the idea of possiblydissolving small tumors such as skin tags by fasting kind of intriguesme.I'm in my mid forties and find that periodically I have added inches tomywaistline. And I would like to believe that getting back into fasting onaperiodic basis would pair back these inches. Not necessarily because ofthecalories I'm not eating during a fast, but because the detoxing andrepairafforded by fasting would among other things correct the metabolicquirksthat cause this weight gain to begin with. Does that make sense?And think of what fasting could do for those who are told by theirdoctorthat their cholesterol won't budge even though they are "doingeverythingright", and are being pressured by all powers that be to take anexpensivemedication.I've been kind of nagged by a certain question. You know how they saythatif you do something good for your body too often, the body adapts andtheregimen loses its effectiveness? Whether that thing be medication,running acertain distance, dieting or what have you. But what about fasting?Couldthe body develop a dependency that makes the fasting less effective perunittime spent doing it? What experiences do fasters have for or againstthissupposition?Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 I'm always interested in new concoctions...care to share the recipe? Bonnie > " Robert Ratliff " <bratliff wrote: >I am using home made herbal teas made by a local witch doctor, er.... > herbalist. > Best Regards, Robert Ratliff > > GardeninginPanama/ > Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 I would, but they are mostly local herbs. I do not have all the info either, like American names and what they are for. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff GardeninginPanama/ Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Skype name bobinpanama2006 ------ ------ ------ -------- On Behalf Of srewolf_bl Monday, October 08, 2007 11:00 PM Re:two days fasting each week I'm always interested in new concoctions...care to share the recipe? Bonnie > " Robert Ratliff " <bratliff wrote: >I am using home made herbal teas made by a local witch doctor, er.... > herbalist. > Best Regards, Robert Ratliff > > GardeninginPanama/ > Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Robert, That's okay. Enjoy your tea Bonnie In , " Robert Ratliff " <bratliff wrote: > > I would, but they are mostly local herbs. I do not have all the info > either, like American names and what they are for. > > > Best Regards, Robert Ratliff > > GardeninginPanama/ > Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). > Skype name bobinpanama2006 > - ----- > - ----- > - ----- > -------- > > > > > On Behalf Of srewolf_bl > Monday, October 08, 2007 11:00 PM > > Re:two days fasting each week > > > > I'm always interested in new concoctions...care to share the recipe? > Bonnie > > > > " Robert Ratliff " <bratliff@> wrote: > >I am using home made herbal teas made by a local witch doctor, er.... > > herbalist. > > > Best Regards, Robert Ratliff > > > > GardeninginPanama/ > > Retired in the land of eternal spring(Volcan,Panama). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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