Question

[Guest guest]

" The best measurement of Qi is the human body. " David Chan OMD

In other words, the practitioner should tune themself to feel where the

needle should go and once the needle is in the body should be able to find

and direct the qi.

I don't know of any practitioner who uses one. The only exception seems to be

for the ear where you are measuring not really qi but a mirror or holographic

representation of the rest of the body.

[Guest guest]

Greg Dember <dember

 

Geovani asked:

>geovani: What is the degree of precision of those eletronic acupuncture

>point finders?

>Is it an everyday tool used by acupuncture prastitioners? And....wich one

>would be the best kind? It seems to me, that realy almoust (?) all

>acu-points are " painfull " spots.

 

 

I say:

 

I don't think most acupuncturists use electric acupuncture point finders,

except perhaps for ear acupuncture. The general location of the points

is defined in relation to anatomical landmarks, and the precise location

of a point on a given patient on a give day is determined by palpation.

Maybe it would be useful to also use an electrical device to fine-tune

needling location? I don't yet.

 

I used to use an electric " locator " to fine-tune my location in ear

acupuncture, but I find I get better results with other methods.

 

 

Not all acupoints are painful spots. Depends on the patient, depends on

the point, depends on the day, depends on the insertion technique. The

choice of which points to needle is largely based on theory and

diagnosis, along with palpation, patient feedback and practitioner

intuition. It's definitely not " find the spots that hurt and stick a

needle in there " . In fact, often one wants to avoid putting a needle in

the site of an injury.

 

I am curious what your experience has been with electro-point-locators.

I'm assuming you are a patient, not a practitioner.

 

Greg Dember, Licensed Acupuncturist

Seattle, WA

 

geovani: Hi, Greg. Thanks for your attention. I am a Mechanical Engenier

by academic formation - here in Brazil. But i have been studying and practicing

homeopathy for some years. By law, i can not pratice homeopathy anymore,

because i am not a Doctor. Very well......life, through some coincidences,

seems

to have put me in touch with acupuncture. I am studying by myself -for the time

being -

and will start a 1 and 1/2 year course in january 2000. Through my homeapathic

" formation " i am aquainted with helthcare wiewing the patient as an integral

being,

and not a particular deseise - this is basic in the homeophatic approuche (and

to any sane approuche to life itself, also, imho). I would like to go in some

details

here....if it is convenient for you. I'll wait for your replay...

 

Yes, i was thinking in terms of fine tuning the points location with the

apparatus,

for i understand that (correct me if i am mistaken) missing the exact location

of

points, no terapetic effect should be expected - or very little.

 

What " other methods " are you refering to, Greg, concerning exact point location?

 

By " painfull " i was refering to finger palpation, not needling. And obviously

i understand your comments concerning the therapy itself.

 

And finaly, i should say that i am a will-be practicioner, and have no

experience

with eletro-locators (but still interested)

 

regards

 

geovani

[Guest guest]

Geovani asked:

>geovani: What is the degree of precision of those eletronic acupuncture

>point finders?

>Is it an everyday tool used by acupuncture prastitioners? And....wich one

>would be the best kind? It seems to me, that realy almoust (?) all

>acu-points are " painfull " spots.

 

 

I say:

 

I don't think most acupuncturists use electric acupuncture point finders,

except perhaps for ear acupuncture. The general location of the points

is defined in relation to anatomical landmarks, and the precise location

of a point on a given patient on a give day is determined by palpation.

Maybe it would be useful to also use an electrical device to fine-tune

needling location? I don't yet.

 

I used to use an electric " locator " to fine-tune my location in ear

acupuncture, but I find I get better results with other methods.

 

 

Not all acupoints are painful spots. Depends on the patient, depends on

the point, depends on the day, depends on the insertion technique. The

choice of which points to needle is largely based on theory and

diagnosis, along with palpation, patient feedback and practitioner

intuition. It's definitely not " find the spots that hurt and stick a

needle in there " . In fact, often one wants to avoid putting a needle in

the site of an injury.

 

I am curious what your experience has been with electro-point-locators.

I'm assuming you are a patient, not a practitioner.

 

Greg Dember, Licensed Acupuncturist

Seattle, WA

[Guest guest]

<< I know of a person

who had " shoulder pains " , and after the first session - next day - she felt

that the

pain was " much stronger " ......so she abandoned the treatment.

 

Generally we don't have this concept of making things worse first. Sometimes

with pain it will get worse for a day and then the pain will go away. The

exception I have found in my practice is that someone who is taking pain

medication will get worse because the acupuncture " breaks through " the

medication and the patient then feels the real pain. I am very wary now of

strong treatments for a patient on pain medication.

Except in the above exceptions, if the pain continues to be worse after

treatment one should reassess their technique.

[Guest guest]

 

 

" The best measurement of Qi is the human body. " David Chan OMD

In other words, the practitioner should tune themself to feel where the

needle should go and once the needle is in the body should be able to find

and direct the qi.

I don't know of any practitioner who uses one. The only exception seems to be

for the ear where you are measuring not really qi but a mirror or holographic

representation of the rest of the body.

 

geovani: Thx for the attention. I tend to agree with you (and others), but maybe

I will try it out just to have the feel (electro-point-finders).

 

Another thing I'd like to ask - and here i'd be glad to listen to several

opinions -

is about the meaning of " agravation " in acupuncture. In homeopathy it is realy

one of the " modes of healing " , one of the almoust sure signs that indicate the

restablishment of the equilibrium of the " vital energy " . Is there something

similar

concerning this " modality of healing reaction " in acupuncture? I know of a

person

who had " shoulder pains " , and after the first session - next day - she felt

that the

pain was " much stronger " ......so she abandoned the treatment. At that time i

was

not interested in acupuncture, but intuitivley, maybe because of my homeopathic

background, i told her: - you shouldn't stop. It seems so natural to me, that

in a

first " moment " an agrarvation of simptoms may occour. I have not found

reference

to it in the classical chinese wiritings - ...so far!

 

have a good day

geovani

[Guest guest]

Well, first I own a point finder and prior to learning more about acupuncture

I used it a lot. I believe that it is pretty accurate. However with more

training I have found that it is not a very valuable tool at all. As a

matter of fact and you other acupuncturists correct me if I am wrong, but I

believe after working with people for a while you can sense the points with

your fingers and hands. Thus no need for a point finder. I probably would

not recommend spending the money for a point finder unless it is really of

interest to you. They run about $80.00 and I do not even take mine out

anymore. Hope this helps.

 

Shane

[Guest guest]

Electronic Point Finders: I know that they were banned from College. The

teachers would say that they would find the acupuncture points - but which one.

If you look on some modern charts there are quite often points clustered. For

example, there are 4 or 5 points close to Col 4. We were always taught to find

a point with intention at Five Element school.

 

All the Best,

 

Gye Bennetts

-

geovani

acupuncture

Wednesday, November 10, 1999 11:01

acupuncture Question

 

 

geovani: What is the degree of precision of those eletronic acupuncture point

finders?

Is it an everyday tool used by acupuncture prastitioners? And....wich one

would be the best kind? It seems to me, that realy almoust (?) all acu-points

are " painfull " spots.

 

regards

 

geovani

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

 

Again in Five Element Acupuncture we quite often get those types of reactions.

As Five Element deals more with emotional and spirit level stuff quite often

after the first couple of treatments you will notice that the patients is

starting to have a little more anger or sadness come up generally then it passes

and they feel lighter. I find this quite similar to the Homoeopathic response.

 

Gye

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geovani

acupuncture

Thursday, November 11, 1999 10:29

Re: acupuncture Question

 

 

 

 

 

" The best measurement of Qi is the human body. " David Chan OMD

In other words, the practitioner should tune themself to feel where the

needle should go and once the needle is in the body should be able to find

and direct the qi.

I don't know of any practitioner who uses one. The only exception seems to be

for the ear where you are measuring not really qi but a mirror or holographic

representation of the rest of the body.

 

geovani: Thx for the attention. I tend to agree with you (and others), but

maybe

I will try it out just to have the feel (electro-point-finders).

 

Another thing I'd like to ask - and here i'd be glad to listen to several

opinions -

is about the meaning of " agravation " in acupuncture. In homeopathy it is realy

one of the " modes of healing " , one of the almoust sure signs that indicate the

restablishment of the equilibrium of the " vital energy " . Is there something

similar

concerning this " modality of healing reaction " in acupuncture? I know of a

person

who had " shoulder pains " , and after the first session - next day - she felt

that the

pain was " much stronger " ......so she abandoned the treatment. At that time i

was

not interested in acupuncture, but intuitivley, maybe because of my

homeopathic

background, i told her: - you shouldn't stop. It seems so natural to me, that

in a

first " moment " an agrarvation of simptoms may occour. I have not found

reference

to it in the classical chinese wiritings - ...so far!

 

have a good day

geovani

[Guest guest]

I thought about getting a point finder, but was so broke that when I got out

of school I couldn't afford one. I believe you are right, now my fingers

just find the spots.

Hands on is the best way. If you rely on a device, sooner or later your

device will break, or run out of juice, and you're left to your own devices.

You don't develop your own sensitivity either. Just one opiniion though.

R. Scott Malone

[Guest guest]

Another thing I'd like to ask - and here i'd be glad to listen to several

opinions -

is about the meaning of " agravation " in acupuncture. In homeopathy it is

realy

one of the " modes of healing " , one of the almoust sure signs that indicate

the restablishment of the equilibrium of the " vital energy " . Is there something

similar

concerning this " modality of healing reaction " in acupuncture? I know of a

person

who had " shoulder pains " , and after the first session - next day - she felt

that the

pain was " much stronger " ......so she abandoned the treatment. At that time

i was

not interested in acupuncture, but intuitivley, maybe because of my

homeopathic

background, i told her: - you shouldn't stop. It seems so natural to me,

that in a

first " moment " an agrarvation of simptoms may occour. I have not found

reference

to it in the classical chinese wiritings - ...so far!

 

have a good day

geovani

 

 

 

Hello ,

 

Again in Five Element Acupuncture we quite often get those types of

reactions. As Five Element deals more with emotional and spirit level stuff

quite often after the first couple of treatments you will notice that the

patients is starting to have a little more anger or sadness come up generally

then it passes and they feel lighter. I find this quite similar to the

Homoeopathic response.

 

Gye

 

geovani: Hi, Gye. I will certainly look into the page you sent me - thx! -

but i haven't

yet. Something have been revolving in my mind, and i will put it on words

here.

Could it not be that the laws of healing, as described in homeopathy, could

be

more encompassing, more generical, then it may seem? After the Qi (vital

energy,

in homeopathy) has been set to start a movement back to a more equilibrated

state,

maybe one could witness a similar dinamic reestruturation. Things like:

temporary

aggravation of simptoms but a general improvement in the moral of the

patient,

or effects on the skin ( implying a movement outwards of the exogenous

" poisons " ),

or old simptoms coming back, or " from more excencial organs to less

excencial " , or

from inside out etc... It would be a matter of " clinical observation " i

guess....(?)

[Guest guest]

JADEFRST

 

I thought about getting a point finder, but was so broke that when I got out

of school I couldn't afford one. I believe you are right, now my fingers

just find the spots.

Hands on is the best way. If you rely on a device, sooner or later your

device will break, or run out of juice, and you're left to your own devices.

You don't develop your own sensitivity either. Just one opiniion though.

R. Scott Malone

 

geovani: I got your point, yes. But, maybe after a while one is

awlready quite proficient in finding the exact locations...so one may

not need the finder anymore...

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The only think I can think of is a tumor???

- Kristie or Patrick Crawford

Herbal Remedies

Friday, April 20, 2001 9:00 PM

[herbal remedies] Question

 

Does anyone know what kind of female disease is similar to Endometriosis and would require radiation treatment to prevent further growth and possibly cancer?

Kristie

 

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No they didn't say a tumor...she said endo something I can't remember what

though.

Kristie

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<herbal remedies >

Friday, April 20, 2001 9:15 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Question

 

 

The only think I can think of is a tumor???

-

Kristie or Patrick Crawford

Herbal Remedies

Friday, April 20, 2001 9:00 PM

[herbal remedies] Question

 

 

Does anyone know what kind of female disease is similar to Endometriosis and

would require radiation treatment to prevent further growth and possibly

cancer?

Kristie

 

 

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Endocrinology---Endoscopic Ultrasound ---

Endocrine, I have done a search on diff stuff here did you hear any of these?

- Kristie or Patrick Crawford

herbal remedies

Friday, April 20, 2001 9:22 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Question

No they didn't say a tumor...she said endo something I can't remember whatthough.Kristie-"~Pam~ S.G. ~Wings~" <love_wings<herbal remedies >Friday, April 20, 2001 9:15 PMRe: [herbal remedies] QuestionThe only think I can think of is a tumor???-Kristie or Patrick CrawfordHerbal RemediesFriday, April 20, 2001 9:00 PM[herbal remedies] QuestionDoes anyone know what kind of female disease is similar to Endometriosis andwould require radiation treatment to prevent further growth and possiblycancer?Kristie---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release 4/18/2001

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I can't remember what she said. My sister has this and has to have

radiation treatments to get rid of them...if she doesn't it can turn to

cancer. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the only time that you used

radiation was in cancer situations?? I am not sure if my sister is being

completely truthful as she wouldn't want us to worry but I want to know the

facts.

Thanks,

Kristie

-

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<herbal remedies >

Saturday, April 21, 2001 4:23 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] Question

 

 

Endocrinology---Endoscopic Ultrasound ---

Endocrine, I have done a search on diff stuff here did you hear any of

these?

-

Kristie or Patrick Crawford

herbal remedies

Friday, April 20, 2001 9:22 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Question

 

 

No they didn't say a tumor...she said endo something I can't remember what

though.

Kristie

-

" ~Pam~ S.G. ~Wings~ " <love_wings

<herbal remedies >

Friday, April 20, 2001 9:15 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Question

 

 

The only think I can think of is a tumor???

-

Kristie or Patrick Crawford

Herbal Remedies

Friday, April 20, 2001 9:00 PM

[herbal remedies] Question

 

 

Does anyone know what kind of female disease is similar to Endometriosis and

would require radiation treatment to prevent further growth and possibly

cancer?

Kristie

 

 

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Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

 

 

[Guest guest]

Well yes,, but my husband was just telling me that his grandpa had radiation no cancer it killed ,the Doctor's gave him a line and he believe it....I would dig deeper into your sisters situation before she goes any further with it ...I'm not trying to scare you but that does seem very odd to me..and I'm a nurse..

- Kristie or Patrick Crawford

herbal remedies

Saturday, April 21, 2001 11:50 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] Question

I can't remember what she said. My sister has this and has to haveradiation treatments to get rid of them...if she doesn't it can turn tocancer. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the only time that you usedradiation was in cancer situations?? I am not sure if my sister is beingcompletely truthful as she wouldn't want us to worry but I want to know thefacts.Thanks,Kristie-"~Pam~ S.G. ~Wings~" <love_wings<herbal remedies >Saturday, April 21, 2001 4:23 AMRe: [herbal remedies] QuestionEndocrinology---Endoscopic Ultrasound ---Endocrine, I have done a search on diff stuff here did you hear any ofthese?-Kristie or Patrick Crawfordherbal remedies Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:22 PMRe: [herbal remedies] QuestionNo they didn't say a tumor...she said endo something I can't remember whatthough.Kristie-"~Pam~ S.G. ~Wings~" <love_wings<herbal remedies >Friday, April 20, 2001 9:15 PMRe: [herbal remedies] QuestionThe only think I can think of is a tumor???-Kristie or Patrick CrawfordHerbal RemediesFriday, April 20, 2001 9:00 PM[herbal remedies] QuestionDoes anyone know what kind of female disease is similar to Endometriosis andwould require radiation treatment to prevent further growth and possiblycancer?Kristie---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release 4/18/2001Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any naturalremedy.3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health.We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long asthey behave themselves.Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any personfollowing the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products fromlist members, you are agreeing tobe fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner andmembers free of any liability.Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Cedar chips will at first deter bugs but over a year or two as they break down and loose some of their effectiveness you may find yourself a candidate for termites. If you don't have much of a termite problem where you live then that is probably a moot point and you should go ahead with the cedar.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

I am creating an awesome herb garden complete with a pond and arbor. Myquestion to anyone here is this.There are pathways I'd like to cover. Should I use cedar chips orsmall, decorative rock? The reason I'd like to use cedar chips is thatthey would eventually mulch in and add nutrients to the soil. I couldalways redo it when necessary. Do cedar chips deter bugs or attractthem?Gogi

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Ian. Still thinking of what to use. Cedar would be

prettier to me. Thanks.

Gogi

"Ian Shillington N.D." wrote:

 

Cedar chips will at first deter bugs

but over a year or two as they break down and loose some of their effectiveness

you may find yourself a candidate for termites. If you don't have

much of a termite problem where you live then that is probably a moot point

and you should go ahead with the cedar. Love, Doc

[Guest guest]

mamamu,

 

I have attended many births and have 7 children of my own. So I would like

to give you my thoughts. Just a " neighbor " that wants to share with you

her ideas.

 

First of all if you have this baby in a few days or weeks, which could very

well happen, you won't be able to do much with your diet to give the baby

any significant weight gain. The most important thing the baby needs is to

have enough nutrients to have all of it's organ systems totally formed and

ready to be on their own. Vitamin and mineral deficiencies will make it more

difficult for the baby to thrive once it is born. Sometimes they have

difficulty nursing, or sleep too much, or become to jaundice because the

liver is not mature enough to handle the breakdown of red cells. So I would

encourage you to concentrate on eating nutritious food.

 

Since you can't eat a lot of food at a time you will want to eat small meals

and more of them. With a baby punching on your stomach you will not feel

like eating much so you will have to watch it and make sure you don't forget

to eat. You might want to try Floridix with herbs iron. It is a great

liquid (easy to digest and assimilate) nutritional supplement that is

basically 30 or so herbs extracted into fruit juices. What I have seen is

that mothers who concentrate on nutrition and take Floridix have fully

developed more advanced babies, regardless of their size.

 

The nutritional content of your food is important for you as well. You will

want to have plenty of milk for your baby when he or she arrives, you will

want to have the energy for labor and delivery, and you will not want to

have this baby before it is ready to be born.

 

Since your baby is smaller, do not be worried if the baby takes even another

4 weeks before it decides it is time to be born. I don't know how small

your baby actually is, but it is my experience that small babies often are

born 2-4 weeks after their due date if mom is getting proper nutrients. I

know of one lady that always had her babies 10 months after conception.

With her first two babies the medical system actually forced the birth of

the babies and though they were 2 weeks " over due " they looked like

premature babies and they had to give them special treatment and drugs to

combat an immature heart and lungs. After she started having home births

with us she found out that her babies just needed to be " cooked " longer than

the norm. Most were born at 10 1/2 months and weighed 8-9 pounds and were

just like a normal newborn.

 

Lastly, there are many things you can do to turn a baby to a head down

position before birth.. Once the baby turns and drops you will be much more

comfortable. It is time for your baby to turn. You may want to pray about

it or do some of the non-invasive things that can help. If you would like

to know about specific things you can pray about or do, let me know, though

I would assume that your midwife has shared her ideas with you.

 

Fruit digests easily. Vegetables come in second. Fresh juices would be

wonderful, as well. Meat and glutein grains are the hardest to digest. As

far as herbs I have found for nutrition and as a uterine tonic to prepare my

body for labor and delivery a tea with Red Raspberry, Nettle, Squawvine and

Alfalfa is wonderful. And the last month I take a tincture of Blue Cohosh

in the evening. The tincture acts as a uterine tonic, alleviates the

Braxton Hicks contractions and boy do I sleep like a baby. (before I would

toss and turn and be awake 1/2 the night because I was so uncomfortable.) I

now have very short, quick deliveries and my babies are born pink. They all

get APGAR scores of 10/10, never struggle with jaundice, as my first babies

did, and grow like weeds once they are born.

 

Let us know when your baby arrives.

Annette

annette

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<mariannegut

<herbal remedies >

Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:52 AM

[herbal remedies] Question

 

 

> Hi

>

> I'm 38 weeks pregnant and the midwife says the baby is a little bit

> tiny. I would like some advice about what to eat. I feel that I should

> n't eat to much things fried , oily, spicy. It seems that I'm

> digesting things very slowly. Yesterday I threw up food that I had

> eaten 5 hours earlier and it looked like food eaten just a few minutes

> ago. I try to drink a lot of tea made of anis seed to help the

> digestion. So how to eat healthy food with a lot of energy and to be

> able to digest well (my baby is breech and his/her head is bumping up

> in my stomach and my ribs all the time which make the digestion harder

> I think) Otherwise I feel very fine, just a little worried about my

> food intake.

>

> Mamamu

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear mamamu,

You should most definitely be on the Total Nutrition Formula as found in Archives.

 

Best formula is:

2 tablespoons of Total Nutrition

2 tablespoons of UDO's Oil

2 raw eggs

blended with 12 oz of Organic Apple juice will give you all the nutrition you need to grow a healthy baby and reach a state of health yourself.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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mariannegut

herbal remedies

Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:52 AM

[herbal remedies] Question

HiI'm 38 weeks pregnant and the midwife says the baby is a little bit tiny. I would like some advice about what to eat. I feel that I should n't eat to much things fried , oily, spicy. It seems that I'm digesting things very slowly. Yesterday I threw up food that I had eaten 5 hours earlier and it looked like food eaten just a few minutes ago. I try to drink a lot of tea made of anis seed to help the digestion. So how to eat healthy food with a lot of energy and to be able to digest well (my baby is breech and his/her head is bumping up in my stomach and my ribs all the time which make the digestion harder I think) Otherwise I feel very fine, just a little worried about my food intake.Mamamu Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

According to the Prescription for Nutritional Healing, 3rd edition, PKD, as it

is known by acronym, is " an inherited disease in which cysts grow on the

kidneys, rendering them incapable of functioning " , but gives suggestions under

the all-inclusive heading of " kidney disease (renal failure).

 

If you would like, or you can't get a copy of this book, I'll try to give you

some ideas, but this gives you description, very important supple- ments,

helpful supplements, herbs (and any cautions), recommendations (ie. lifestyle

changes, diet, etc.), and considerations (coinciding test, treatments,

considerations, etc), so, in other words, it's rather involved; hence if you can

get to a health food store/GNC (if you don't wish to purchase for a personal

reference book), they should have it on hand as a reference book, as almost

every place around here like that has a copy on hand.

 

In Health,

Steve

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I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of Polycystic Kidney Disease and

of anything

that can help someone who has the disease? Any information would be helpfu l

and appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Patie

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Patie,

Have you checked the web - I just did and there is all sorts of info on it.... just type in the name and hit go.... other than that I have not heard of it.

Suzi

 

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[Guest guest]

I'm not familiar with the " mark's " brothers, but I have used stevia for several

years in my morning tea or coffee, my restaaraunt drinks, and at times, have

even cooked with it and I know of no adverse reactions; as a matter of fact, I

understand that in Japan, Aspartame and the like is banned, and stevia is used

in " diet " drinks.

 

Chromium should be safe in excess of the suggested 200mcg. for diabetic

treatments etc., but to be safe I would not go over that dosage, and you

shouldn't have any adverse effects. Chromium which is bound with Niacin may

cause a flush in sensitive individuals, but that's no major concern.

 

Aloe vera gel if form the liquid and not the latex of the leaf should be okay,

and CLA I'm not sure, but have noticed it in alot of weight loss formulas, and

it is naturally found in milk products.

 

Hope that helps!

 

In Health,

Steve

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Does anyone know of any health risks or side effects to taking any or all o f

the following:

Chromium Picolinate

Aloe Vera Gel

Collmark

Fosmark

Leanmark

Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA)

Stevia

 

Any information would be helpful and appreciated.

Thanks!

Patie

 

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[Guest guest]

The refined (usually a bad word) sweetener, or liquid stevia is usually far more

sweet than bitter. Even most of the white powders are not that bad, but some of

the powders, and the raw ground herb may seem bitter to some, but the white

powder is best for baking (which dulls the bitterness), and the herb is for

purists, or the other reported benefits (especially external) of the herb; it's

also an acquired taste (like any sweetener.

 

Steve

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With all of these, one should avoid taking in excess. I'll just comment on the

ones I know well, since some of these items are apparently proprietary products

that I have not seen.

 

Aloe Vera Gel: There should be no reason to take more than 1/2 oz. internally

in a day. But I have never heard of an overdose. Sometimes people experience

mild diarrhea with it, which is usually said by the manufacturers to be a case

of the body expelling toxins. Normally I use the gel only externally, for

sunburns and some rashes. The flavor is fairly yucchy. If for any reason I

want to take it internally, might as well go out and buy some juice.

 

Conjugated Linoleic Acid: This is, I think, a type of fat, and so should not

be taken in excess. There should be some label directions. Excess fat, even a

pure type such as this, gets bound up in body tissues where it can

inappropriately absorb chemicals that the body should be eliminating.

 

Stevia: Any sweetener will have the same hazard -- that the appetite will

increase afterwards. In China it is customary to have sweets before meals. I

have noticed this works well for me as a diabetic. I have experimented with it

some, and found that it does seem to reduce cravings for sweets but will

sometimes increase cravings for starches. Some people find Stevia to be quite

bitter. I suspect there are wide variations in how people react to this

substance, and that we all have a lot more to learn about it.

 

At 10:29 AM 8/21/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Does anyone know of any health risks or side effects to taking any or all of

the following:

>Chromium Picolinate

>Aloe Vera Gel

>Collmark

>Fosmark

>Leanmark

>Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA)

>Stevia

>

>Any information would be helpful and appreciated.

>Thanks!

>Patie

-- Michael Riversong **

Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer **

RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399

http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong

 

 

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[Guest guest]

herbal remedies, " Patie Asturi " <patie@v...> wrote:

> Does anyone know of any health risks or side effects to taking any or all of

the following:

> Chromium Picolinate

> Aloe Vera Gel

> Collmark

> Fosmark

> Leanmark

> Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA)

> Stevia

>

> Any information would be helpful and appreciated.

> Thanks!

> Patie

 

Another source for herbal research could be <www.herbs.com> (the Herbal Research

Foundation), or <www.herbalgram.com> (American Botanical Council).

 

Steve