Wanting to start but frustrated

[Guest guest]

Hi, newcomer to your group and I hope you can help me as I am

frustrated.

 

I know that I need to clean/purify/detoxify my body, I am approx

110lbs over weight (though honestly I am not sure what my Ideal

weight is) but I feel I would be very happy with myself at 200 lbs.

 

About 2 years ago when I lived in Oregon I started seeing a

Naturopath and loved it. I went on a Purification Program that

lasted 6 weeks where I was not allowed to eat specific foods and had

these shakes that contained all the nutrients I was not getting from

the foods.

 

Now I will be honest I felt great after the process and I endured

all the ridicule from my coworkers during the time. That being said

I want to get to that point again.

 

I have made it a habit to go to the Gym first thing in the morning

and play Raquetball for an hour, I have a good friend that joins me

on this. I am starting to lift weights at least once a week but I

plan on getting it to at least 2-3 times a week.

 

Anyways, I am unsure on the Purification Process, I want to eat

healthy foods, I want to get me away from all the bad foods, I ahve

read numerous books and information on the Web and I completly agree

with the fact that medicine in most forms is not what heals, I know

from personal experiance that taking pills is not the answer to cure

most or all ailments. But I get frustrated when I read that to do a

good purification process I have to take some kind of supplement (be

it pills or powder or whatever.) Why is there not a Purification

process that says eat this and that and you will be fine. I can do

that, but I really can not force myself to take thses nasty tasting

supplements just to receive the nutrients that I ma missing out on.

 

Let alone that I want my family to go through this eventually, and

my daughter especially. I feel horrible inside for the

immunizations that I have already subjected her too and I want to

try and salvage the possible damage my unknowning self may have

inflicted on her. I want to make sure she has the best healthy life

I can offer her, and I know she wants her to Dad to be there also.

 

So I guess I am trying to find a Healthy alternative to powders and

Pills that can help me achieve the balance I need to purge my inner

body to be healthy.

 

Thanks for hopefully reading this and I look forward to seeing your

comments and possible help.

 

-Gary

[Guest guest]

Hi Gary, I joined this forum a couple of weeks ago. I´m pretty much

in the same shoes as you although what I´m hoping to loose is closer

to 40-50 lbs. But that´s not my main concern, by back pain is. I´m

going to detoxify and thereafter start eating right and exercising.

 

My strategy is following; go on a juice fast for a week or longer if

I can make it. I´ve bought Vogel´s detox box, some detox tea and a

juicer and am waiting on my juice fasting book from amazon.

Then gradully start excersising and improving my diet. I'm starting

with removing carpohydrates and dairy. I´m under influence of the

bloodtype diet books and those do not recomend I cut out meat and

fish alltogether. Also reading I´ve done on the web by former vegans

also reafirms that a vegan diet might not be for all.

 

But I´m open to becoming a full fledged vegan and I´m going to try

it eventually if I get as far as mentioned above. I´m also gona try

pure water fast someday although I expect juice fasting is better

for many reasons. At leas I´m not ready for dry water fasting now,

think it might actually damage me since the nutrients in the juice

are needed to safely deal with exiting the toxins.

 

I know you are hoping for some expert advice, someone who has tried

this but that I can not offer. Only support and cameraderie since we

are, like I said, in the same shoes.

 

Concerning your daughter, you might have her try to cut out

carpohydrates and increase fruits and vegetables. That might go a

long way. A very good start for experimenting at least. But of

course your best bet is to experiment on yourself and find out what

works for you, chances are it will also work for you. I´m bias

towards the conspiracy teory that carpohydrates are part of our diet

not because they are good for us but because they are profitable for

the food companys, wheat and sugar are super cheap to buy for them

and are then sold for many times that. There are also strong

evidence that milk is not good for you at all, they contain growth

hormones meant for the calfs and those might contribute to high

cancer rate in the west. There is also the discrepancy of hip

fracture being almost unknown in the parts of Asia where milk is not

part of diet, while hight in Scandinavia where everybody chugs down

milk like there is no tomorrow. The argument of calcium in milk

preventing calcium loss in bones seems not to be valid.

 

Last thing I might ad, use visualization. Just after you wake up and

just before you fall asleep imagine your body like you would like it

to be. Try to feel like it already is (try to dream it). Then your

subconcious (even some higher universal power) will stear you in

that direction.

 

Best regards and best of luck, Thor

 

 

, " drokare "

<drokare@a...> wrote:

>

> Hi, newcomer to your group and I hope you can help me as I am

> frustrated.

>

> I know that I need to clean/purify/detoxify my body, I am approx

> 110lbs over weight (though honestly I am not sure what my Ideal

> weight is) but I feel I would be very happy with myself at 200 lbs.

>

> About 2 years ago when I lived in Oregon I started seeing a

> Naturopath and loved it. I went on a Purification Program that

> lasted 6 weeks where I was not allowed to eat specific foods and

had

> these shakes that contained all the nutrients I was not getting

from

> the foods.

>

> Now I will be honest I felt great after the process and I endured

> all the ridicule from my coworkers during the time. That being

said

> I want to get to that point again.

>

> I have made it a habit to go to the Gym first thing in the morning

> and play Raquetball for an hour, I have a good friend that joins

me

> on this. I am starting to lift weights at least once a week but I

> plan on getting it to at least 2-3 times a week.

>

> Anyways, I am unsure on the Purification Process, I want to eat

> healthy foods, I want to get me away from all the bad foods, I

ahve

> read numerous books and information on the Web and I completly

agree

> with the fact that medicine in most forms is not what heals, I

know

> from personal experiance that taking pills is not the answer to

cure

> most or all ailments. But I get frustrated when I read that to do

a

> good purification process I have to take some kind of supplement

(be

> it pills or powder or whatever.) Why is there not a Purification

> process that says eat this and that and you will be fine. I can

do

> that, but I really can not force myself to take thses nasty

tasting

> supplements just to receive the nutrients that I ma missing out on.

>

> Let alone that I want my family to go through this eventually, and

> my daughter especially. I feel horrible inside for the

> immunizations that I have already subjected her too and I want to

> try and salvage the possible damage my unknowning self may have

> inflicted on her. I want to make sure she has the best healthy

life

> I can offer her, and I know she wants her to Dad to be there also.

>

> So I guess I am trying to find a Healthy alternative to powders

and

> Pills that can help me achieve the balance I need to purge my

inner

> body to be healthy.

>

> Thanks for hopefully reading this and I look forward to seeing

your

> comments and possible help.

>

> -Gary

>

[Guest guest]

You can water fast then juice exit. The exit is juice then raw veggies. I am on day 26 of my water fast. I have not fully detoxed yet. A water fast is a faster detox and repair and weight loss mechanism than juice fasting or the master cleanse.

You are right we don't need milk. The dairy industry thinks we do. I think some meat is needed, but maybe not much.

Read. http://www.beyondveg.com/ There have been no know vegan societies in history.

 

Best Regards, Robert & Chloey Ratliff La Chorrera De Panama

<*> <*>

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Thor Fjalar HallgrimssonFriday, January 27, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Wanting to start but frustratedHi Gary, I joined this forum a couple of weeks ago. I´m pretty much in the same shoes as you although what I´m hoping to loose is closer to 40-50 lbs. But that´s not my main concern, by back pain is. I´m going to detoxify and thereafter start eating right and exercising.My strategy is following; go on a juice fast for a week or longer if I can make it. I´ve bought Vogel´s detox box, some detox tea and a juicer and am waiting on my juice fasting book from amazon.Then gradully start excersising and improving my diet. I'm starting with removing carpohydrates and dairy. I´m under influence of the bloodtype diet books and those do not recomend I cut out meat and fish alltogether. Also reading I´ve done on the web by former vegans also reafirms that a vegan diet might not be for all.But I´m open to becoming a full fledged vegan and I´m going to try it eventually if I get as far as mentioned above. I´m also gona try pure water fast someday although I expect juice fasting is better for many reasons. At leas I´m not ready for dry water fasting now, think it might actually damage me since the nutrients in the juice are needed to safely deal with exiting the toxins.Best regards and best of luck, Thor

[Guest guest]

I haven't tried water fasting yet, as I am a new comer as well. I

have however tried the juice fasting and really like it. I have done

a 3 day fast and a 4 day fast. My goal for the week is a 7 day fast.

I feel really good putting fresh veggie and fruit juices in my body.

After the frist day (which was hard, my body detoxing) it was much

better.

 

I am hoping to extend my fasts as time goes on and I learn more. I do

however take a multivitamin everyday. My goal is weight loss and

better overall health.

 

As far as your family goes, if you start to implement fresh fruits

and veggies over starches, they will soon follow suit. You can be an

inspiration to them.

 

Good luck and let us know what you decide to do.

 

Christie

 

, " drokare " <drokare@a...>

wrote:

>

> Hi, newcomer to your group and I hope you can help me as I am

> frustrated.

>

> I know that I need to clean/purify/detoxify my body, I am approx

> 110lbs over weight (though honestly I am not sure what my Ideal

> weight is) but I feel I would be very happy with myself at 200 lbs.

>

> About 2 years ago when I lived in Oregon I started seeing a

> Naturopath and loved it. I went on a Purification Program that

> lasted 6 weeks where I was not allowed to eat specific foods and

had

> these shakes that contained all the nutrients I was not getting

from

> the foods.

>

> Now I will be honest I felt great after the process and I endured

> all the ridicule from my coworkers during the time. That being

said

> I want to get to that point again.

>

> I have made it a habit to go to the Gym first thing in the morning

> and play Raquetball for an hour, I have a good friend that joins me

> on this. I am starting to lift weights at least once a week but I

> plan on getting it to at least 2-3 times a week.

>

> Anyways, I am unsure on the Purification Process, I want to eat

> healthy foods, I want to get me away from all the bad foods, I ahve

> read numerous books and information on the Web and I completly

agree

> with the fact that medicine in most forms is not what heals, I know

> from personal experiance that taking pills is not the answer to

cure

> most or all ailments. But I get frustrated when I read that to do

a

> good purification process I have to take some kind of supplement

(be

> it pills or powder or whatever.) Why is there not a Purification

> process that says eat this and that and you will be fine. I can do

> that, but I really can not force myself to take thses nasty tasting

> supplements just to receive the nutrients that I ma missing out on.

>

> Let alone that I want my family to go through this eventually, and

> my daughter especially. I feel horrible inside for the

> immunizations that I have already subjected her too and I want to

> try and salvage the possible damage my unknowning self may have

> inflicted on her. I want to make sure she has the best healthy

life

> I can offer her, and I know she wants her to Dad to be there also.

>

> So I guess I am trying to find a Healthy alternative to powders and

> Pills that can help me achieve the balance I need to purge my inner

> body to be healthy.

>

> Thanks for hopefully reading this and I look forward to seeing your

> comments and possible help.

>

> -Gary

>

[Guest guest]

Juicing was the first thing that came to my mind as well regarding

Gary's post. Juicing can get you filled up with alot of excellent

nutrients because you are consuming way more fruits and veggies than

if you were trying to just eat them. You want to have a good

quality juicer for this, and focus on juicing vegetables such as

carrots, spinach, and other greens. You can throw in an apple for

good taste too.

 

There is a big difference between water only fasting and juice

fasting, with water only being the one that does the most work for

cleaning out and getting deeper into the tissues. I base that

statement on information gathered from Dr. Joel Fuhrman's

book " Fasting and Eating for Health " . I have done a 10 day water

only fast myself, as well as a 14 day juice fast. Both were

challenging, and of course, the water only one was more so. But I

think I cleaned out at a much deeper level on that one.

 

Another good book on going through a purification lifestyle is The

Maker's Diet by Dr. Jordan Rubin. I think if you focus on eating

fruits, vegetables and cutting out all process foods, and only eat

foods in as close to their natural state as possible, you will

cleanse and purify over time and see great improvements. It is just

really hard to always eat that way because of what is available in

America.

 

I have been " cleansing " since 1998--8 years now, and it is hard to

do it 100%. You really do have to commit some time to a

purification diet, and the best way I know how to get through it is

to tell yourself you will be able to eat those other things LATER.

JUST NOT NOW. If you keep that in mind, knowing that you can

indulge later if you want to, you will make it. And of course, the

best thing that can happen is that once you get to the point of

being able to indulge, you realize that those foods are polluting to

the body and so you just don't even want them anymore! That's when

it gets nice.

 

 

, " Christie "

<cmarley99> wrote:

>

> I haven't tried water fasting yet, as I am a new comer as well. I

> have however tried the juice fasting and really like it. I have

done

> a 3 day fast and a 4 day fast. My goal for the week is a 7 day

fast.

> I feel really good putting fresh veggie and fruit juices in my

body.

> After the frist day (which was hard, my body detoxing) it was much

> better.

>

> I am hoping to extend my fasts as time goes on and I learn more. I

do

> however take a multivitamin everyday. My goal is weight loss and

> better overall health.

>

> As far as your family goes, if you start to implement fresh fruits

> and veggies over starches, they will soon follow suit. You can be

an

> inspiration to them.

>

> Good luck and let us know what you decide to do.

>

> Christie

>

> , " drokare "

<drokare@a...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi, newcomer to your group and I hope you can help me as I am

> > frustrated.

> >

> > I know that I need to clean/purify/detoxify my body, I am approx

> > 110lbs over weight (though honestly I am not sure what my Ideal

> > weight is) but I feel I would be very happy with myself at 200

lbs.

> >

> > About 2 years ago when I lived in Oregon I started seeing a

> > Naturopath and loved it. I went on a Purification Program that

> > lasted 6 weeks where I was not allowed to eat specific foods and

> had

> > these shakes that contained all the nutrients I was not getting

> from

> > the foods.

> >

> > Now I will be honest I felt great after the process and I

endured

> > all the ridicule from my coworkers during the time. That being

> said

> > I want to get to that point again.

> >

> > I have made it a habit to go to the Gym first thing in the

morning

> > and play Raquetball for an hour, I have a good friend that joins

me

> > on this. I am starting to lift weights at least once a week but

I

> > plan on getting it to at least 2-3 times a week.

> >

> > Anyways, I am unsure on the Purification Process, I want to eat

> > healthy foods, I want to get me away from all the bad foods, I

ahve

> > read numerous books and information on the Web and I completly

> agree

> > with the fact that medicine in most forms is not what heals, I

know

> > from personal experiance that taking pills is not the answer to

> cure

> > most or all ailments. But I get frustrated when I read that to

do

> a

> > good purification process I have to take some kind of supplement

> (be

> > it pills or powder or whatever.) Why is there not a

Purification

> > process that says eat this and that and you will be fine. I can

do

> > that, but I really can not force myself to take thses nasty

tasting

> > supplements just to receive the nutrients that I ma missing out

on.

> >

> > Let alone that I want my family to go through this eventually,

and

> > my daughter especially. I feel horrible inside for the

> > immunizations that I have already subjected her too and I want

to

> > try and salvage the possible damage my unknowning self may have

> > inflicted on her. I want to make sure she has the best healthy

> life

> > I can offer her, and I know she wants her to Dad to be there

also.

> >

> > So I guess I am trying to find a Healthy alternative to powders

and

> > Pills that can help me achieve the balance I need to purge my

inner

> > body to be healthy.

> >

> > Thanks for hopefully reading this and I look forward to seeing

your

> > comments and possible help.

> >

> > -Gary

> >

>

[Guest guest]

people who say you need powder and pills are making money off of powder and pills. SO.... Eat Healthy food .MODERATE exercise- (for now) no junk food especially sugar try to EX any alcohol it creates certain cravings stop beating yourself up love yourself having a bad day.... go for a walk enjoy nature breath deeply when you are in it. Pray if you like. it has a calming effect there are hundereds of ways to detox fasting is probably the best but some are not ready for it and need to just to remove bad food and include good food for a while. sugar causes more sugar cravings . caffiene causes sugar cravings and I hope you dont smoke Peace man..... Jennie

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