FW: [diabetescured] one person's fasting experience

November 16, 2005

What do you guys think about this person saying the body uses the protein first during a fast? Does anyone have any documentation to the contraire?

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Robert Ratliff wrote:> What I wrote was I was on a 10 day water only fast. How can you have any> carbs?If you do water only, your liver will make sugar from your muscles, and that's NOT smart and it is very hard on the kidneys.Namaste, IreneRobert Ratliff wrote:> Where do you get this information? From Research and from formal study as a clinical nutritionist,and from graduate studies in cell physiology and biochemistry for starters. Also from experience in the nutrition health field.> The sugar comes from fat first. You wish :-)Not in diabetics it doesn't.Nor in insulin resistant people.Nor the first 20 minutes of exercise in regular people.You break down protein if you are diabetic and this is a diabetes list:-)Fasting is potentially dangerous in diabetics and insulin resistant people, it leads to dehydration from loss of potassium (which no amount of water can fix) and to ketosis (from muscle breakdown due to the diabtic/insulin-resistant state of metabolism) and ketosis in diabetic leads potentially to death.Even the fat you might break down when your body is desperate enough, will be during metabolic stress with inappropriate (missing) nutrient availability for the fat metabolism and it's by-products that are hard on the liver.So fasting will mess up your kidneys (from muscle breakdown) and your liver (from fat breakdown without the appropriate nutritional support)By all means cut down your carbs if you like, but don't deny your body the minimum nutrition to function effectively with fat breakdown (which requires good fats such as Extra-virgin olive oil for the oleic acid and fatty acids), LOTS of antioxidants - and you should avoid muscle breakdown by at least getting good protein daily. I would suggest a healthy modified low carb diet, with maintenance protein levels, healthy oils, lots of water and perhaps fat-burning and antioxidant food supplements, rather than a fast.Namaste, Irene

November 16, 2005

hey Irene this is a fasting forum . we fast, we water fast, we are doing things people have done for thousands of years. If you look and there are studies and healed people, people have been cured of diabetes. and other ailments. Here in the united states we lead all in sickness. we have studies and " proof " of everything against things that heal and take the doctors money away. If you dont agree with water fasting you should not be in a fasting forum. There are doctors againgt fasting yet Hypocrates himself " FATHER OF ALL MEDICINE ' prescribed fasting for many ailments. I have been cured of a few. and the doctors were against it. believe what you want. there is information out there for and against everything you can imagine.

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November 16, 2005

Chill. I was the one posted here comments from another forum to get feedback.

Ok let me ask another way. Has anyone done any damage to themselves by fasting?

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On Behalf Of jennie spoonerWednesday, November 16, 2005 6:37 AM Subject: Re: FW: [diabetescured] one person's fasting experience

hey Irene this is a fasting forum . we fast, we water fast, we are doing things people have done for thousands of years. If you look and there are studies and healed people, people have been cured of diabetes. and other ailments. Here in the united states we lead all in sickness. we have studies and " proof " of everything against things that heal and take the doctors money away. If you dont agree with water fasting you should not be in a fasting forum. There are doctors againgt fasting yet Hypocrates himself " FATHER OF ALL MEDICINE ' prescribed fasting for many ailments.

I have been cured of a few. and the doctors were against it. believe what you want. there is information out there for and against everything you can imagine.

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