Guest guest Posted May 23, 2001 Report Share Posted May 23, 2001 You really need to do some research with the various different companies down under to see which ones process their flax oils the quickest and get them into a freezer ASAP. Another major consideration is whether or not it is stored and sold in plastic or in glass. UDO's is the only one I know of which is stored entirely in either glass (which they ship to the consumer) or stainless steel (used in storage). Both are frozen to maintain the integrity. Furthermore, they blend it with Evening Primrose Oil, and a couple of others which tends to preserve the Flax Oil naturally without any toxic effects. Flax Oils made by Spectrum or Borleans are stored in plastic and are only refrigerated which will extend the shelf life somewhat but only for short periods. They become rancid too quickly. Thusly they are corrupted. Just the fact that they use plastic is enough to corrupt it by my observation and research. UDO's is the ONLY one I use or allow my patients to use and since I buy bulk in very large quantities and then immediately freeze it (can safely extend the shelf life up to a year), I only charge my wholesale club members $15 for a 17 oz bottle. As you live in Australia, you'd need to research the Flax Oils made there or buy your UDO's in very large quantities to pass along the savings. Hope this helps. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington Ian, I was talking to a friend who is studying naturopathy and one of her lecturers stated strongly that flaxseed oil oxidises so quickly it shouldnt be consumed at all, its too dangerous. Now, that seemed a little strong to me, but my friend suggested putting a sprig of rosemary in the bottle- or in the crushed linseed meal, to help prevent oxidation- and to take Vitamin E with it (I had heard that before). Any comments? I recommend flaxseed oil to clients, because its the cheapest way to get the quantities needed into them. We can get UDO's here but its twice the price and I am not sure if it would be any different?Anyway, i just thought I would put it to you.thankslovepeela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2001 Report Share Posted May 24, 2001 Thanks Ian, that does help. The stuff we get is definitely in glass, in the fridge, and they seem to be very adament abou keeping it in the box as well as the dark bottle, to lessen the effect of light. Its local, so its doesnt come far. It smells fine, so far. I am going to look into UDO's some more though- and perhaps at the least recommend it to people who can afford it. thanks Peela --- " Ian Shillington N.D. " <Dr.IanShillington wrote: > You really need to do some research with the various > different companies > down under to see which ones process their flax oils > the quickest and > get them into a freezer ASAP. Another major > consideration is whether or > not it is stored and sold in plastic or in glass. > > UDO's is the only one I know of which is stored > entirely in either glass > (which they ship to the consumer) or stainless steel > (used in storage). > Both are frozen to maintain the integrity. > Furthermore, they blend it > with Evening Primrose Oil, and a couple of others > which tends to > preserve the Flax Oil naturally without any toxic > effects. > > Flax Oils made by Spectrum or Borleans are stored in > plastic and are > only refrigerated which will extend the shelf life > somewhat but only for > short periods. They become rancid too quickly. > Thusly they are > corrupted. > > Just the fact that they use plastic is enough to > corrupt it by my > observation and research. > > UDO's is the ONLY one I use or allow my patients to > use and since I buy > bulk in very large quantities and then immediately > freeze it (can safely > extend the shelf life up to a year), I only charge > my wholesale club > members $15 for a 17 oz bottle. As you live in > Australia, you'd need to > research the Flax Oils made there or buy your UDO's > in very large > quantities to pass along the savings. > > Hope this helps. > > Love, > > Doc > > Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. > 505-772-5889 > Dr.IanShillington > Ian, I was talking to a friend who is studying > naturopathy and one of > her lecturers stated strongly that flaxseed oil > oxidises so quickly it > shouldnt be consumed at all, its too dangerous. Now, > that seemed a > little strong to me, but my friend suggested putting > a sprig of rosemary > in the bottle- or in the crushed linseed meal, to > help prevent > oxidation- and to take Vitamin E with it (I had > heard that before). Any > comments? I recommend flaxseed oil to clients, > because its the cheapest > way to get the quantities needed into them. We can > get UDO's here but > its twice the price and I am not sure if it would be > any different? > Anyway, i just thought I would put it to you. > thanks > love > peela > Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2001 Report Share Posted May 25, 2001 Sounds like a winner you've got there. Go by your sense of taste and smell. If it smells or tastes rancid, it probably is, and you should take it back to where you got it. If it tastes fresh and wholesome (and you'll know it), (I've tasted it both ways, and you never quite forget the rancid taste), then stick with that brand. As far as the UDO's is concerned, I go through approx 10 to 12 dozen a month for my patients (and for my family) so deal directly with the manufacturer. A Co-op could do the same. As you can see, I'm a great believer in Co-ops ;o) Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington Thanks Ian, that does help. The stuff we get is definitely in glass, in the fridge, and they seem to be very adament abou keeping it in the box as well as the dark bottle, to lessen the effect of light. Its local, so its doesnt come far. It smells fine, so far. I am going to look into UDO's some more though- and perhaps at the least recommend it to people who can afford it.thanksPeela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 Morton: <Flax oil is beneficial. But flax seed, ground up, is much more beneficial as not all the nutrients are extracted - nutrients which can act individually as well as synergistically. I am not responding to this is the way of argument. I do not have the training to argue the point. I will simply pass along to you the opinion of Gerson, whom I've chosen to trust--because his therapy appears to have cured more people of cancer and other terminal illnesses than anyone else's. " Don't consume whole flaxseeds because of other components in them that interfere with the healing process. " If you're in good health, this might not apply to you. Claire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 I do not understand. Someone please enlighten me. Flax oil is beneficial. But flax seed, ground up, is much more beneficial as not all the nutrients are extracted - nutrients which can act individually as well as synergistically. Why get " minimal " benefits when one can get maximal benefits. The same applies to other extracts or whole foods. Morton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 > " Don't consume whole flaxseeds because of other > components in them that interfere with the healing process. " That's all that is said? There's no explaination of what the other components are? Is he referring to the high fiber content or some chemical or what? Penel who runs everything past her husband who's last job in science was in the biochemistry department at U of Chicago and she knows this sort of " _ " comment isn't going to fly with him. btw, asking about " sulfur based protein " got me a strange look. He asked if what I talking about was a protein with a sulfur molecule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Pennel, <Is he referring to the high fiber content or some chemical or what?> I hope this question is directed to the group as a whole and not to me, as I've already explained I know nothing beyond what I find in the book and I am willing to adopt Gerson's methods based on his clinical successes, not on scientific jargon--which I wouldn't understand if it were given to me. Much of what Gerson discovered clinically, through trial and error, working with the most hopeless cases, he was unable to defend scientifically and only years later did science come up with the explanations--e.g. how and why the coffee enemas worked. I should explain, though, that Gerson incorporated Budwig's work as part of his protocol the year before he died in 1958, long after he wrote his book, so the quote I gave was actually from his daughter's book. Claire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 - <hyldemoer Friday, December 27, 2002 9:21 PM Re: Flaxseed Oil > > " Don't consume whole flaxseeds because of other > > components in them that interfere with the healing process. " > > That's all that is said? > There's no explaination of what the other components are? > > Is he referring to the high fiber content or some chemical or what? > > Penel > who runs everything past her husband who's last job in science was in > the biochemistry department at U of Chicago and she knows this sort of > " _ " comment isn't going to fly with him. > > btw, asking about " sulfur based protein " got me a strange look. He > asked if what I talking about was a protein with a sulfur molecule. > Protein high in amino acids containing a sulfur atom -- i.e., cysteine, methionine. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 - " Morton Bodanis " <mortonmb Friday, December 27, 2002 12:59 PM Re: Re: Flaxseed Oil > I do not understand. Someone please enlighten me. > > Flax oil is beneficial. But flax seed, ground up, is much more beneficial as not all the > nutrients are extracted - nutrients which can act individually as well as > synergistically. Why get " minimal " benefits when one can get maximal benefits. The same > applies to other extracts or whole foods. > > Morton Here is my hit on it. Now remember I am not a biochemist. Neither do I follow the Budwig diet myself. I observe, ask questions, then try to figure out what is not said explicitly. The flax seed oil + cottage cheese seems to be a recommendation for people who have cancer. A lot of people with cancer seem to have a difficult time with their appetites, with being able to digest heavy meals, etc. The flax seed oil is a much more concentrated food than eating flax seed. Kinda like me with my megadoses of vitamin C. Hard to eat enough rose hips or oranges to get me the C I want to get into y system. Same with flax seed oil. I eat some flax seed (about an ounce a day) but if I had cancer, I'd sure be upping my dose substantially. Not real sure I could handle eating huge quantities of seeds if I were very ill with bad appetite. Bu the oil would be easier to get into my system on a regular basis. At least that is my understanding of why the oil is recommended. There may be other reasons. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Emily, <Do you know if the Gerson clinic has ever mentioned a cure for Lupus? Yes, in Charlotte Gerson's book " The Gerson Therapy: The Amazing Nutritional Program for Cancer and Other Illnesses " there are 52 health problems listed as sucessfully treated and one of these is Lupus Erythematosus. I'm assuming that's what you're talking about, but elsewhere in the book there is also mention of healing Lupus Vulgaris which is apparently a tuberculosis of the skin. Basically, the idea is that any degenerative disease will respond to this program, the focus of which is to bring the entire body back to a state of health where it can heal itself of whatever particular disease process is in progress. Claire, who is just now going through a healing crisis--tough, but welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Do you know if the Gerson clinic has ever mentioned a cure for Lupus? - " Claire West " <clairewest1 Friday, December 27, 2002 9:31 PM Re: Re: Flaxseed Oil > Pennel, > > <Is he referring to the high fiber content or some chemical or what?> > > I hope this question is directed to the group as a whole and not to me, as I've already explained I know nothing beyond what I find in the book and I am willing to adopt Gerson's methods based on his clinical successes, not on scientific jargon--which I wouldn't understand if it were given to me. Much of what Gerson discovered clinically, through trial and error, working with the most hopeless cases, he was unable to defend scientifically and only years later did science come up with the explanations--e.g. how and why the coffee enemas worked. > > I should explain, though, that Gerson incorporated Budwig's work as part of his protocol the year before he died in 1958, long after he wrote his book, so the quote I gave was actually from his daughter's book. > > Claire > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 " Penel Eynde LeGrand " wrote: > > " Don't consume whole flaxseeds because of other > > components in them that interfere with the healing process. " > > That's all that is said? > There's no explaination of what the other components are? > Please re-read what I wrote. " components in them that interfere with the healing process " ?????? Where did that come from? Morton > > Is he referring to the high fiber content or some chemical or what? > > Penel > who runs everything past her husband who's last job in science was in > the biochemistry department at U of Chicago and she knows this sort of > " _ " comment isn't going to fly with him. > > btw, asking about " sulfur based protein " got me a strange look. He > asked if what I talking about was a protein with a sulfur molecule. > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > ........ Gettingwell- > post............. Gettingwell > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 herbal remedies , " fluffybunnyyy " <fluffybunnyyy> wrote: >one of my favorite things pepermint that is why they give you pepermint at restruants to aide with your digestion. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Hi, I am a otherwise healthy 53 year old recently diagnosed with stage 1a lung cancer, ex smoker , had my right upper lobe removed and they found no cancer anywhere else in my body no recommendation of chemo or radiation , don't think I would have done those if they had been recommended. I am so very fortunate it was discovered so early !...... I am doing the budwig spread along with major dietary changes , no red meat, not sugar, processed foods tiny amounts of diary. I do not like the budwig spread at all and have tried many different ways to disguise the taste putting lemmon juice on it with tons of fresh organic fruit and still find the flavor quit repulsive. Part of me thinks if I am having this reaction to it should I really be eating it but I believe in flaxseed and want to do everything to make sure the cancer does not return. Is there another way to consume the flaxseed ? Thank you, Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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