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[Guest guest]

I am new to this group and have a question that maybe some or all of

you have had to deal with at some point in time, so I am just asking

for some advice. My Father has Lupus and several other Dieses that

come along with it. My sister the doctor diagnosed her with Lupus

because my dad has it and they could figure out what was wrong with

her. She never actually tested posative for it after several tests.

I have been reading a couple of Natural Healing books and have been

visiting our local health food store. My problem is I have tried to

explain to my parents and my sister that a lot of their health

issues are caused by the medication they are on for other problems.

I never told them to stop taking any medication just to try eating

more Organic foods and drinking better water, and to possibly go

visit a Homeopathic doctor, But they have all told me how much their

doctor cares about them and how they would feel much better just

doing what they are doing.

 

I don't think I have been radical about any of this, I have just

been trying to introduce them to a way of life that may be healthier

for them. My dad is actually going in for surgury today for an ulcer

in his stomach. They are removing half of his stomach. They all

agree that this was caused by the medication he is taking but still

want to make no changes.

 

Have any of you been in a similar situation, and if so do you have

any suggestions for me. Should I just leave them alone and let them

take the medications they are taking and making them worse, or

should I keep trying to convince them to change a little here and

there?

 

Thanks everyone,

[Guest guest]

Hi Welcome! I hope your father's surgery goes well. I

am sorry it has gotten to that point.

 

The Gerson Therapy boasts a 100 percent cure rate with

lupus.

 

www.gerson.org

 

I can personally say to you, that when I have at least

3 fresh juices a day and avoid wheat and refined

sugar, that I have NO LUPUS symptoms.

 

Your father needs a good juicer. (Carrot and spinach

juice is excellent.)You are a good daughter to help

him. Please keep us posted. There are definitely ways

he can help himself. These include the gerson therapy

or a modified version, etc (www.drday.com). I'm sorry,

but the doctors are only good for acute lupus crises.

As for the ulcer, he needs an organic yogurt daily to

put back the good bacteria which is what he is missing

(because of the standard american diet and his

medicines).

 

Look into these things:

 

 

the Gerson therapy

 

Johanna budwig diet

 

Book " breaking the vicious cycle " by Elaine Gottschall

 

 

It is truly about a change in diet and learning how

the body works. Thanks for joining! Kelly

Kelly

[Guest guest]

I feel for you because I have been where you are.

 

Years ago for instance I almost wrote a diet book for

weight loss. during this time also my inlaws wanted to

lose weight so I explained to them exactly how to do

it. They did not follow my advice but instead went to

a nutritionist and paid $1200 for his advice which it

turned out was identical to mine. go figure?

 

Last year my wife was in a softball accident that blew

her lower eye socket and damaged the pupil of the eye,

it won't dialate. It also caused her eyesite to worsen

from 300 to 375. I pleaded with her to get on some

products, I had some in mind, but she would not

preffering to not mix nutrition with steroid drops if

you can belief that. It was very frustrating because

she watches me help people with medical problems

daily. She has seen the letters of success and

gratitude so she knows what I preach works, yet she

would not do what I suggested. Well, she had her

surgery which of course I could not correct and

continued with the steroid drops. Finally the eye

doctor said there is nothing more that I can do! At

that point she was willing to listen. I put her on a

regimen of nutraceuticals and within 2 months her eue

site improved to 150 and the pupil has closed some but

is no9t quite completely healed. I honestly don't

think it will heal completely because it is not

completely round. The eye doctor was stunned and

completely perplexed as to what happened with her eye

and suggested all kinds of reason. She has never told

him what I had her do. She has since not continued

what I suggested but the eye is stable at least.

 

The point is in both cases, the people you are closest

to are always the last to listen. If you do not hold

the degree they figure you do not know what you are

talking about. Doctors are like god to them. My wifes

attitude has now changed of course and I have recently

helped a friend of her's who is a little more open

minded to alternatives.

 

I guess little by little you can make suggestions but

in the end something may have to happen before they

change their attitudes. What has to happen seems to be

different for everyone. And in some cases, they never

come around. In one case I know of, a terminal cancer

patient, one of my associates gave some nutraceuticals

to, after that person died, they found the un-opened

containers in the cabinets.

 

Hope your father's surgery goes well.

 

Good Luck

 

> I am new to this group and have a question that

> maybe some or all of

> you have had to deal with at some point in time, so

> I am just asking

> for some advice. My Father has Lupus and several

> other Dieses that

> come along with it. My sister the doctor diagnosed

> her with Lupus

> because my dad has it and they could figure out what

> was wrong with

> her. She never actually tested posative for it after

> several tests.

> I have been reading a couple of Natural Healing

> books and have been

> visiting our local health food store. My problem is

> I have tried to

> explain to my parents and my sister that a lot of

> their health

> issues are caused by the medication they are on for

> other problems.

> I never told them to stop taking any medication just

> to try eating

> more Organic foods and drinking better water, and to

> possibly go

> visit a Homeopathic doctor, But they have all told

> me how much their

> doctor cares about them and how they would feel much

> better just

> doing what they are doing.

>

> I don't think I have been radical about any of this,

> I have just

> been trying to introduce them to a way of life that

> may be healthier

> for them. My dad is actually going in for surgury

> today for an ulcer

> in his stomach. They are removing half of his

> stomach. They all

> agree that this was caused by the medication he is

> taking but still

> want to make no changes.

>

> Have any of you been in a similar situation, and if

> so do you have

> any suggestions for me. Should I just leave them

> alone and let them

> take the medications they are taking and making them

> worse, or

> should I keep trying to convince them to change a

> little here and

> there?

>

> Thanks everyone,

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

 

I go through this with my mom and another older couple that I take care of .... they are on so many medications that they can't even function properly.... but still they won't even try not taking the medications.... and now their having to get new medicatons to help with the side affects of the others .... it just makes me so sad to see what they go through...but I don't know what to do for them. They believe they need all of these pills the doctor gives them.

Jan

I am new to this group and have a question that maybe some or all of you have had to deal with at some point in time, so I am just asking for some advice. My Father has Lupus and several other Dieses that come along with it. My sister the doctor diagnosed her with Lupus because my dad has it and they could figure out what was wrong with her. She never actually tested posative for it after several tests. I have been reading a couple of Natural Healing books and have been visiting our local health food store. My problem is I have tried to explain to my parents and my sister that a lot of their health issues are caused by the medication they are on for other problems. I never told them to stop taking any medication just to try eating more Organic foods and drinking better water, and to possibly go visit a Homeopathic doctor, But they have all told me how much their doctor cares about them and how they would feel much better just doing what they are doing. I don't think I have been radical about any of this, I have just been trying to introduce them to a way of life that may be healthier for them. My dad is actually going in for surgury today for an ulcer in his stomach. They are removing half of his stomach. They all agree that this was caused by the medication he is taking but still want to make no changes. Have any of you been in a similar situation, and if so do you have any suggestions for me. Should I just leave them alone and let them take the medications they are taking and making them worse, or should I keep trying to convince them to change a little here and there?Thanks everyone,

[Guest guest]

Hi, I guess Im a lurker on this group, but I had to respond to your post. I go through the same things with my sisters, my husband, my own children and friends. My father died because of complications from his rhuematoid arthritis medication. My sister is on these same meds. I have thyroid disease and epilepsy. My children have epilepsy, thyroid disease and celiac disease, to name a few. I could fill a book (actually many) with all the physician errors I have dealt with. I was just about bed ridden when I decided to go off my meds and started changing my diet. I now go to a homeopath and an MD who practices integrative medicine. These experiences have totally changed my life and I guess in general have made me a bit paranoid when it comes to the medical profession. I want to tell everyone who will listen, especially my friends and family. So far its not going so well. I have learned that people become very dependent on their meds. We are constantly bombarded with "consult your physician " before we try anything new. In essence we (as a society) are brainwashed into thinking that a doctor knows everything. Common sense is seldom used. People want a quick and easy fix, also a socially accepted one. Telling people that they need to get off so many prescriptions and change their diet is not happily accepted. I think they want their dr to be right, because its easier that way. They dont have to worry about what to eat, Ive also had many people tell me they cant afford to eat organically even though they spend a ton on fast food, cookies, soda and other junk. It is very frustrating!

 

I started out searching for information because my dr said I had RA just because it ran in my family. My tests came out negative and the symptoms didn't fit, so I started reading everything I could get my hands on. When I first shared my info with my family--I was so excited, thinking I could help them, especially my sister, so she wouldn't end up like my dad. I was really shocked when I was met with so much opposition! For quite a while I got really depressed. And I guess I still a little sad over it all. But I guess i have come to terms with it. There is only so much you can do. Now, I just do my own thing and I pray for them every night.

 

Good luck, Carla

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

Welcome to the group! (Better late than never!

This has been a wierd and busy summer for me!)

I would like to suggest you invite your parents

and sister to become a part of our group here. I am a

survivor of colo-rectal cancer. I should have died

three years ago according to my doctors. But here I

still am and cancer free. There are others here with

Lupus and other autoimmune diseases. There is alot of

good sharing of alot of beneficial information here.

If something has worked to bring any of us relief or

reverse our conditions, we share it. If we find

information that may be beneficial to someone else, we

post it. Kelly is on top of everything and works long

and hard to find information and pass it on to the

group. I offer my nutritional experience and expertise

to anyone and everyone I think I can help in some way.

Amelia is full of great information too. I could go on

and on.

If your parents and sister don't want to become

part of the group, perhaps they wouldn't mind just

reading through the archives to see that there are

many other options to the medications that do often

times cause more problems than the problems they are

prescribed for. Then more medications are prescribed

to fix those problems. The new medications start

causing new problems of their own. And it becomes a

vicious cycle.

At any rate, I wish you luck. Even if your family

doesn't choose to visit our site here, you can still

come away with alot of useful information from all the

sharing we do here.

 

Blessings, Renee

 

--- mjs_daddie <mjs_daddie wrote:

 

> I am new to this group and have a question that

> maybe some or all of

> you have had to deal with at some point in time, so

> I am just asking

> for some advice. My Father has Lupus and several

> other Dieses that

> come along with it. My sister the doctor diagnosed

> her with Lupus

> because my dad has it and they could figure out what

> was wrong with

> her. She never actually tested posative for it after

> several tests.

> I have been reading a couple of Natural Healing

> books and have been

> visiting our local health food store. My problem is

> I have tried to

> explain to my parents and my sister that a lot of

> their health

> issues are caused by the medication they are on for

> other problems.

> I never told them to stop taking any medication just

> to try eating

> more Organic foods and drinking better water, and to

> possibly go

> visit a Homeopathic doctor, But they have all told

> me how much their

> doctor cares about them and how they would feel much

> better just

> doing what they are doing.

>

> I don't think I have been radical about any of this,

> I have just

> been trying to introduce them to a way of life that

> may be healthier

> for them. My dad is actually going in for surgury

> today for an ulcer

> in his stomach. They are removing half of his

> stomach. They all

> agree that this was caused by the medication he is

> taking but still

> want to make no changes.

>

> Have any of you been in a similar situation, and if

> so do you have

> any suggestions for me. Should I just leave them

> alone and let them

> take the medications they are taking and making them

> worse, or

> should I keep trying to convince them to change a

> little here and

> there?

>

> Thanks everyone,

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have another suggestion - reverse psychology! If you

tell your family that since they are comfortable with

their medications, that's what they should stick with.

Explain that they are not ready for the benefits of

alternative therapies and nutrition (explain what the

benefits are also). This is one of the cardinal rules

of closing a sale (I'm not a salesman, but I've read

the Dale Carnegie books!). I've seen this work in my

own metabolic nutrition business, which I do for the

sole purpose of helping people. It saved my life from

a cancer I was not supposed to have survived. I didn't

try this method, but my dear friend, Dr. Silva,

Ph.D. does this quite often. And her sincere purpose

is in helping people too, not in making a sale.

When a person is faced with the prospect of losing

something, that is the point where they usually want

it the most. It may not work with your family, but

then again you never know until you try! Good luck.

 

--- mjs_daddie <mjs_daddie wrote:

 

> I am new to this group and have a question that

> maybe some or all of

> you have had to deal with at some point in time, so

> I am just asking

> for some advice. My Father has Lupus and several

> other Dieses that

> come along with it. My sister the doctor diagnosed

> her with Lupus

> because my dad has it and they could figure out what

> was wrong with

> her. She never actually tested posative for it after

> several tests.

> I have been reading a couple of Natural Healing

> books and have been

> visiting our local health food store. My problem is

> I have tried to

> explain to my parents and my sister that a lot of

> their health

> issues are caused by the medication they are on for

> other problems.

> I never told them to stop taking any medication just

> to try eating

> more Organic foods and drinking better water, and to

> possibly go

> visit a Homeopathic doctor, But they have all told

> me how much their

> doctor cares about them and how they would feel much

> better just

> doing what they are doing.

>

> I don't think I have been radical about any of this,

> I have just

> been trying to introduce them to a way of life that

> may be healthier

> for them. My dad is actually going in for surgury

> today for an ulcer

> in his stomach. They are removing half of his

> stomach. They all

> agree that this was caused by the medication he is

> taking but still

> want to make no changes.

>

> Have any of you been in a similar situation, and if

> so do you have

> any suggestions for me. Should I just leave them

> alone and let them

> take the medications they are taking and making them

> worse, or

> should I keep trying to convince them to change a

> little here and

> there?

>

> Thanks everyone,

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Carla,

I just joined this group and how I can compare notes with you. I was DX with MS 8 years ago and then 1 year ago my son started having seizures. Everything I have been thorough I thought God this is why this all happened to me help my son. WRONG. It drove me insane. A 8 year old you would think you have complete control, WRONG. Everyone that was around found a need to keep feeding him sugar. I finally had to let go of the situation. Overtime I have found things that he could deal with easily.

Then about me from losing my sight to complete numbness and loss of control of my body. I thought when I found this alternative healing to help cure the MS problem, I thought everyone would be ecstatic. Very few were. Which totally through me for a loop. I thought I would be able to help a ton of people especially all those with MS.

It was tough at times because I toke it so personal. But I am learning how to make my circle of like minded people. And what others think is becoming less important.

 

Ginajinxie1945 wrote:

 

 

Hi, I guess Im a lurker on this group, but I had to respond to your post. I go through the same things with my sisters, my husband, my own children and friends. My father died because of complications from his rhuematoid arthritis medication. My sister is on these same meds. I have thyroid disease and epilepsy. My children have epilepsy, thyroid disease and celiac disease, to name a few. I could fill a book (actually many) with all the physician errors I have dealt with. I was just about bed ridden when I decided to go off my meds and started changing my diet. I now go to a homeopath and an MD who practices integrative medicine. These experiences have totally changed my life and I guess in general have made me a bit paranoid when it comes to the medical profession. I want to tell everyone who will listen, especially my friends and family. So far its not going so well. I have learned that people become very

dependent on their meds. We are constantly bombarded with "consult your physician " before we try anything new. In essence we (as a society) are brainwashed into thinking that a doctor knows everything. Common sense is seldom used. People want a quick and easy fix, also a socially accepted one. Telling people that they need to get off so many prescriptions and change their diet is not happily accepted. I think they want their dr to be right, because its easier that way. They dont have to worry about what to eat, Ive also had many people tell me they cant afford to eat organically even though they spend a ton on fast food, cookies, soda and other junk. It is very frustrating!

 

I started out searching for information because my dr said I had RA just because it ran in my family. My tests came out negative and the symptoms didn't fit, so I started reading everything I could get my hands on. When I first shared my info with my family--I was so excited, thinking I could help them, especially my sister, so she wouldn't end up like my dad. I was really shocked when I was met with so much opposition! For quite a while I got really depressed. And I guess I still a little sad over it all. But I guess i have come to terms with it. There is only so much you can do. Now, I just do my own thing and I pray for them every night.

 

Good luck, Carla

Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

HI Gina, Welcome. Do you have your sight back now and

is it as good as before? Or are you using a voice

machine. I am so glad you were so strong and smart to

be able to look at nature as the healing factor you

needed. I would love to hear the things you did to

heal yourself and your son. It would seem that there

is a block with some people. They want to believe that

traditional medicine is like a father figure and if

they do what they are told, that is all they can do. I

think it comforts them. It is wildly uncomfortable to

think that most practicing physicians are so ignorant,

but about three years ago I began thinking that.

Surely everyone is ignorant about something, but

doctors should try to understand the big picture along

with the tiny mechanisms the body uses to heal itself.

They are just beginning to learn the importance of

candida in illnesses, some doctors at least. Welcome

again! Kel

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Carla,

 

I'm just getting caught up on the last couple of weeks here. But I know exactly how you feel about your family. It always seems that those that we love and want to help the most are the least likely to listen to what we have to say about the things we have found to help them. I had the same issues in my family and still do. My dad doesn't have to be a diabetic, but he still is. My mom doesn't have to have heart disease, but she still does. You are right about people thinking their doctors know everything too. The sad reality is that 2 million people a year have adverse effects from doctors prescribed medications and medical treatments. Another half million a year actually die from these mistakes, including my best friend's mom! (She is sitting pretty now with all the money she won from a law suit, but she would much rather have her mom here than the money). I was appalled on more than one occassion when I worked at a local (and pretty big) hospital to hear

doctors actually joke and laugh about leaving sponges inside of surgery patients and other horrifying things of that nature. And they are laughing about it?!!! It really took my cancer and the things my nutrition and supplements did for me to help save my life that made my family sit up and take notice. They had to have that first hand experience to take me seriously! And even still, my dad continues to be a diabetic and my mom still deals with her heart disease! I hope you can find a way to get through to your family before a tragedy comes along. You are dealing with so many health issues in so many of your family members. I will keep you and your family in my prayers. Prayer really works miracles sometimes too (then sometimes it doesn't. I guess everything is according to God's will, not our own).

 

Blessings, Reneejinxie1945 wrote:

 

 

Hi, I guess Im a lurker on this group, but I had to respond to your post. I go through the same things with my sisters, my husband, my own children and friends. My father died because of complications from his rhuematoid arthritis medication. My sister is on these same meds. I have thyroid disease and epilepsy. My children have epilepsy, thyroid disease and celiac disease, to name a few. I could fill a book (actually many) with all the physician errors I have dealt with. I was just about bed ridden when I decided to go off my meds and started changing my diet. I now go to a homeopath and an MD who practices integrative medicine. These experiences have totally changed my life and I guess in general have made me a bit paranoid when it comes to the medical profession. I want to tell everyone who will listen, especially my friends and family. So far its not going so well. I have learned that people become very

dependent on their meds. We are constantly bombarded with "consult your physician " before we try anything new. In essence we (as a society) are brainwashed into thinking that a doctor knows everything. Common sense is seldom used. People want a quick and easy fix, also a socially accepted one. Telling people that they need to get off so many prescriptions and change their diet is not happily accepted. I think they want their dr to be right, because its easier that way. They dont have to worry about what to eat, Ive also had many people tell me they cant afford to eat organically even though they spend a ton on fast food, cookies, soda and other junk. It is very frustrating!

 

I started out searching for information because my dr said I had RA just because it ran in my family. My tests came out negative and the symptoms didn't fit, so I started reading everything I could get my hands on. When I first shared my info with my family--I was so excited, thinking I could help them, especially my sister, so she wouldn't end up like my dad. I was really shocked when I was met with so much opposition! For quite a while I got really depressed. And I guess I still a little sad over it all. But I guess i have come to terms with it. There is only so much you can do. Now, I just do my own thing and I pray for them every night.

 

Good luck, Carla