Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 HI Amelia, thanks! Perhaps this has to do with... when proteins are cooked they become warped and are foreign-looking to the body so the immune system pounces on them. The proteins lock with parts of the cells and because they are damaged, they actually change the shape of these parts of the cell so the immune system then turns on the cell which begins to look foreign as well. I didn't explain this very well. It's like a puzzle piece I think. Normal proteins tag onto cells with ease, but when food is overcooked and processed, things start going awry. With pasteurization also, the protein molecules are damaged by free radicals. I am no expert but this was explained to me by a doctor I respect very much. If only I could explain it as well as he. I would say look into getting organic milk products and see if that makes a difference. My goal is to avoid meat, except fish and free range eggs, entirely. Take care, Kel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Kel, your explanation makes sense. I have only used organic dairy, but it still affects me. I guess it's the pasteurization process, wouldn't you think? On Behalf Of Kelly W.Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Something interesting HI Amelia, thanks! Perhaps this has to do with... whenproteins are cooked they become warped and areforeign-looking to the body so the immune systempounces on them. The proteins lock with parts of thecells and because they are damaged, they actuallychange the shape of these parts of the cell so theimmune system then turns on the cell which begins tolook foreign as well. I didn't explain this very well.It's like a puzzle piece I think. Normal proteins tagonto cells with ease, but when food is overcooked andprocessed, things start going awry. Withpasteurization also, the protein molecules are damagedby free radicals. I am no expert but this wasexplained to me by a doctor I respect very much. Ifonly I could explain it as well as he. I would say look into getting organic milk productsand see if that makes a difference. My goal is toavoid meat, except fish and free range eggs, entirely.Take care, Kel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 I was talking about milk that is as directly from the cow as you can get. Also, milk is meant for cows anyway. Humans can get their calcium and magnesium from the right water, from dark leafy greens, esp collard greens, romaine lettuce (spinach has things that actually inhibit calcium absorption a bit, so does broccoli) and some beans are good calcium foods. I just don't think we were meant to eat milk and most grains because it has only been in the last few thousands of years that humans have consumed these. Some people tolerate them better than others, (blood type). Also, as an adult you often lose the digestive enzymes that break down lactose, but you probably know all this because you are so smart. I'm sure at this point, you know more about veggies than I do. ) Kel P.S. I did find that Aquafina and Evian have a bit more calcium and magnesium than some other bottled waters. Evian has the most. Then you can look into buying the really expensive waters that have a lot of these minerals in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 I'm not so sure about being smart! Especially when it comes to foods I'm addicted to! If anyone has some ideas or sources for milk substitutes that are yummy and would help fight a dairy addiction, I would be so appreciative! I am allergic to soy too, which makes it difficult. Kel, thanks again for your insights. I may know this stuff, but it's easy to "forget" and even harder to apply it! Take care, Amelia On Behalf Of Kelly W.Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: RE: Something interesting I was talking about milk that is as directly from thecow as you can get. Also, milk is meant for cowsanyway. Humans can get their calcium and magnesiumfrom the right water, from dark leafy greens, espcollard greens, romaine lettuce (spinach has thingsthat actually inhibit calcium absorption a bit, sodoes broccoli) and some beans are good calcium foods.I just don't think we were meant to eat milk and mostgrains because it has only been in the last fewthousands of years that humans have consumed these.Some people tolerate them better than others, (bloodtype). Also, as an adult you often lose the digestiveenzymes that break down lactose, but you probably knowall this because you are so smart. I'm sure at thispoint, you know more about veggies than I do. ) Kel P.S. I did find that Aquafina and Evian have a bit morecalcium and magnesium than some other bottled waters.Evian has the most. Then you can look into buying thereally expensive waters that have a lot of theseminerals in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Yes, it is easy to forget these things. I find that exasperating. I reread and reread and hope somehow to fit the knowledge in to my everyday living conditions, ugghh. I know i feel SO good when I avoid wheat, of that I'm sure. Kel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Hi Amelia, I don't have lupus or any autoimmune disease, but I have been opposed to using animal proteins for a long time (I love dairy products too!). There are plenty enough plant proteins that we don't really need animal proteins. We are the only species of mammal that doesn't ween our babies off of milk between 6 weeks and 1 year old. Cow's milk is designed to take a baby cow from birth to 300 pounds in it's first year! It's not what nature intended for humans. I agree with Kelly. I use alot of fish and free range eggs as almost all of the animal protein in my diet. It is very hard to give up the things that you really like to eat. But hang in there. Do it at a comfortable pace, rather than trying to eliminate everything all at once. You are more likely to be successful that way. Good luck. Blessings, Renee --- Amelia Gerlach <ameliagerlach wrote: > Hi, everyone. I was reading a book called > " Nutritional Influences on > Illness " by Werbach and found a section on lupus. It > says that studies have > shown that eating animal protein of any sort (dairy, > eggs, meat) increases > autoimmune symptoms in patients. I decided to > experiment with this and as > much as I hate to admit it, it seems to be true for > me. When I have milk > products or meat of any sort, I feel so much more > joint and muscle pain. I > hate it, because I love dairy products! I recommend > this book to everyone, > though. > > I also took the food allergy test last week and I'm > expecting the results > soon. I'll let you know what I think of the test > when I get them back. Best > to all, Amelia > > __ Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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