Guest guest Posted March 29, 2001 Report Share Posted March 29, 2001 Dear Janet, I've heard of that company and heard they are no longer authorized to sell his formulae or use his name. Best bet is to use Doc Christopher's own comany run by his son David. They sell all his formulae and why go to a middle man or a potential fraud? There are others like Doc Schulze or myself who make renditions or slightly different versions of Old Doc's formulae and these are excellent as well. There are too many bogus companies out there so you really have to look and ask questions. Are the herbs from the states? and are they certified organic or wildcrafted? If they get 'em from third world countries, I wouldn't touch 'em with a ten foot pole. Hope this helps. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington Dear Ian, I know we're not supposed to tout herbal companies. But, Iam wondering if I can ask the group (and you :-) their opinion of acompany that "supposedly" sells some of Dr. Christopher's formulas.Don't want to do anything wrong, but would like to know if anyone has"heard" anything good or bad about them before I get too involved withordering. I've been away for two weeks babysitting the grandbaby andwhile I sure miss him, it's good to be home... Blessings, Janet E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Eyebright makes a good natural eyewash. There are a couple of others, but I can't remember them at the moment. Too early. Gogi Aradiann wrote: i would like to ask. Is there any way to make a natural "eye drop"....you know like Visine for tired or itchy eyes? Thanks for any suggestions! ~~~Ray~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Hi Ray, I am a big one for the Chinese system, whose belief is that eyes problems stem from the liver so you may wish to check out health for the liver to solve the source of problem versus symptoms. I am not sure if I am allowed to give direct url's or not but some good info is in a book called Healing with Whole Foods by Paul Pitchford that you may be able to get your library to bring in for you. There is a resource page on my site on liver and other organs. The good oils like flax are recommended for dry eye syndrome. One drop of fresh organic lemon juice in warm water makes a good cleansing eye wash, lemon increases the production of fluids in the body so can take internally as well. A herb to check out is eyebright. Good health Carol Vickery/Tao Herb FarmPhone/Fax 250 357-2550Box 327 Salmo, B.C. V0G 1Z0E-Mail taoherbfarmhttp://www.taoherbfarm.com" Nurturing Plants, Nurtures the Soul" - Aradiann dani Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:44 AM [herbal remedies] A question HI! I have been lurking a bit, absorbing and enjoying the posts andinfo but nowI have a question i would like to ask. Is there any way tomake a natural "eye drop"....you know like Visine for tired or itchyeyes?Thanks for any suggestions!~~~Ray~~~Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Ray, One of my very good friends is a midwife and as you know babies come when they are ready and my friend often gets little or no sleep. She swears by the eybright formula as do other friends who use it when they haven't gotten sufficient sleep and need to press on with their activities. They say it is so refreshing and wakes them right up! Valorie - Aradiann dani Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:44 AM [herbal remedies] A question HI! I have been lurking a bit, absorbing and enjoying the posts andinfo but nowI have a question i would like to ask. Is there any way tomake a natural "eye drop"....you know like Visine for tired or itchyeyes?Thanks for any suggestions!~~~Ray~~~Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 Most definitely. Check the files for the "EyeBright" formula. It is awesome and works wonders. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Aradiann dani Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:44 AM [herbal remedies] A question HI! I have been lurking a bit, absorbing and enjoying the posts andinfo but nowI have a question i would like to ask. Is there any way tomake a natural "eye drop"....you know like Visine for tired or itchyeyes?Thanks for any suggestions!~~~Ray~~~Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2001 Report Share Posted August 25, 2001 roccasan111 wrote: > Hi Peggy! > > Since the crystal attunement, I have been smelling something that > smells like menthol (like menthol cigarettes). (I haven't smoked in > 20 years and never smoked those!) Is this due to the attunement? > Will it go away? > > Thanks, It could be, though it is not built in or common. Do you do angel work? quite often scents with no physical source are angel sign. I presume that you have eliminated the possibility of a physical source .. If you had smoked menthols I'd say that it could be clearing I have had taste and smell or other effects of things smoked/ ingested come back during clearing after an attunement as much as 32 years later side effects and clearing usually dissipate fairly quickly and if that is causing it it should disappear soon I think that the psychic sense of smell is far more common than most people realize because we do tend to assume that scent has a physical origin . perhaps the empowerments activated your ability to receive information this way do you have any special associations with mint or work with herbs at all? Sometimes the Deva connection empowerment and the rock shakti attunement will bring in the ability to work with plant deva and energies as well as with crystal deva and energies if it is in the persons highest good and in accord with life path to do so. If it is it your Solar Angel greeting you the scent will probably go away after you a knowledge the angel If it is some kind of sign or signal you may need to work to figure out what it signifies . no one has ever reported permanent olfactory phantoms from any of the attunements I have done. I do get aroma as input sometimes myself but not all the time I hope someof the other people have ideas about this do let us know what happens We may be over looking some thing Peggy -- Huna, Angels, Crystals, fairies, the aura, Reiki manuals, spirituality} http://www.geocities.com/solarraven/index.html Sparrows Fairyland} art http://www.geocities.com/pjentoft/index.html Spirited emotion} http://members.tripod.com/~sunsparrow/index.html Heretic Sanctuary http://people.we.mediaone.net/skygreen/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2001 Report Share Posted August 26, 2001 Hi Peggy! Thank you for the quick reply! , Peggy Jentoft <skygreen@m...> wrote: > Do you do angel work? quite often scents with no physical source >are angel sign. I don't do angel work, I don't even know how to. ) I will try meditating and contacting my Solar Angel as soon as I have some time alone and see what happens. > I presume that you have eliminated the possibility of a physical >source. > Yes, I have but the scent is with me no matter where I am - grocery store, even the horse stable. > I think that the psychic sense of smell is far more common than >most people realize because we do tend to assume that scent has a >physical origin. perhaps the empowerments activated your ability >to receive information this way. That would be very interesting! The hard part might be figuring out what the information is, I guess. > do you have any special associations with mint or work with herbs >at all? No, I don't. > Sometimes the Deva connection empowerment and the rock shakti > attunement will bring in the ability to work with plant deva and > energies as well as with crystal deva and energies if it is in the > persons highest good and in accord with life path to do so. I will try meditating on that, too. >If it is it your Solar Angel greeting you the scent will probably >go away after you a knowledge the angel If it is some kind of sign >or signal you may need to work to figure out what it signifies. > no one has ever reported permanent olfactory phantoms from any of >the attunements I have done. >I do get aroma as input sometimes myself but not all the time > >I hope someof the other people have ideas about this do let us >know what happens > We may be over looking some thing > Peggy I will let you know what happens. Sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2001 Report Share Posted August 26, 2001 Hi Sandra, I often have scents that I associate with specific guides and especially my grandmother. They may be sticking around until you get the message. Their time sense is a little different and they can be persistent. Heather B. roccasan111 wrote: > > Hi Peggy! > > Thank you for the quick reply! > > , Peggy Jentoft <skygreen@m...> > wrote: > > Do you do angel work? quite often scents with no physical source > >are angel sign. > > I don't do angel work, I don't even know how to. ) I will try > meditating and contacting my Solar Angel as soon as I have some time > alone and see what happens. > > > I presume that you have eliminated the possibility of a physical > >source. > > > Yes, I have but the scent is with me no matter where I am - grocery > store, even the horse stable. > > > I think that the psychic sense of smell is far more common than > >most people realize because we do tend to assume that scent has a > >physical origin. perhaps the empowerments activated your ability > >to receive information this way. > > That would be very interesting! The hard part might be figuring out > what the information is, I guess. > > > do you have any special associations with mint or work with herbs > >at all? > > No, I don't. > > > Sometimes the Deva connection empowerment and the rock shakti > > attunement will bring in the ability to work with plant deva and > > energies as well as with crystal deva and energies if it is in the > > persons highest good and in accord with life path to do so. > > I will try meditating on that, too. > > >If it is it your Solar Angel greeting you the scent will probably > >go away after you a knowledge the angel If it is some kind of sign > >or signal you may need to work to figure out what it signifies. > > no one has ever reported permanent olfactory phantoms from any of > >the attunements I have done. > >I do get aroma as input sometimes myself but not all the time > > > >I hope someof the other people have ideas about this do let us > >know what happens > > We may be over looking some thing > > Peggy > > I will let you know what happens. > > Sandra > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2001 Report Share Posted August 26, 2001 Hello, You may have a CV/GV block. Try getting someone to take your pulses and if they are very flat with most missing you may need this treated. Gye tlaykheng [tlaykheng] Friday, 24 August 2001 4:09 acupuncture acupuncture A question I find by acupressure that the point between my scrotum and anus is quite sore and aches. What does this imply? Can anyone enlighten me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 In a message dated 8/25/2001 2:10:47 PM Central Daylight Time, roccasan111 writes: > Hi Peggy! > > Since the crystal attunement, I have been smelling something that > smells like menthol (like menthol cigarettes). (I haven't smoked in > 20 years and never smoked those!) Is this due to the attunement? > Will it go away? > > Thanks, > > Sandra > Sandra, This may have already been addressed, as I am very behind on my emails. My thought on this is that you could be going thru detox. Detox is cleansing of the body and chakras, etc.... Anyway, maybe you are receiving some kind of cleansing. Love and Light!!! Nanci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2002 Report Share Posted December 7, 2002 The answer to your question is simple. No one can patent herbs, therefore no one can be the monopoly in them. This would put drug companies profits in a tail spin, so they lobby congress and the FDA to keep herbs out of the market they are controlling. It's not just happening in herbs. In the sweetener market as well. Stevia is a plant that is 300 times as sweet as sugar and with no calories. However being that it is a plant no one can control the source. The aspartame lobby worked very hard and succeeded in getting this labeled as a "Dietary Supplement" and banned it's use as a commercial sweetener. Another thing. When you say "proven to work" do you mean that studies have been done on it that show it to be safe. Like the studies done with vaccines, Viagra, Riddlan (sp?), Depo-Provera and many other drug agents that are out there to make a buck. A philosophy holds true, where there is money to be made there is someone out there screwing over the population trying to make it. It's not the herb people that are scared, it's the pharmaceutical companies. Dave <teamcourage [teamcourage] Friday, December 06, 2002 4:42 PMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] a questionI have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like there products proven to work. You look at any hearb treatment or suplment out there and there is no testign no proof they work nothing. you look at drugs and they have to spend 14 pluss yers studign the drig and finding out every posbel side effect. I can go out and scoop up some of my dogs poop put it into caplses and sell it ha s the new wonder suplemt that will cure aids. and no one cna stop me. I think the govt needs to put the fda in charge of the suplment industryFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2002 Report Share Posted December 7, 2002 Be careful what you wish for... Look at the "regulated" industry. Is that what you want to happen to things that can be grown in your backyard? Natural medicine can not be patented or copyrighted, it is available to all who seek after it's benefits. Would you prefer to see nature regulated and patented for the sake of providing people with the excuse of, "They said it was safe, how was I suppose to know they lied?" Being informed about your own health is much wiser than relinquishing that right & responsibility to somebody like Pfizer or the FDA. Relishing the freedom that knowledge brings, -Shelby Dave <teamcourage [teamcourage]Friday, December 06, 2002 4:42 PMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] a questionI have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like there products proven to work. You look at any hearb treatment or suplment out there and there is no testign no proof they work nothing. you look at drugs and they have to spend 14 pluss yers studign the drig and finding out every posbel side effect. I can go out and scoop up some of my dogs poop put it into caplses and sell it ha s the new wonder suplemt that will cure aids. and no one cna stop me. I think the govt needs to put the fda in charge of the suplment industryFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2002 Report Share Posted December 7, 2002 How much more proof is needed? Hundreds of years, hundreds of cultures, and millions of ancestors are proof! Not to mention that many of our modern drugs are plant based as well. So the FDA, which is one of the most corrupt agencies in the US government, tests for years to prove drugs are safe for our use, only to have many of those same drugs recalled and pulled off the market because they are not safe after all. Thalidamide is a good example. I for one, don't have any intention of giving the government any more control over my life and my body, then they already have. In fact, I am more concerned with taking some of that control back! Do you really want them telling you what Herbs you can and cannot put in your body? And don't think for a minute that just because you have not seen any test results, there have been no tests done! Think of what would happen if the American people found out that it was proven that there were herbs, that you can go and collect yourself or obtain inexpensively, worked as good or better than their obscenely expensive manufactured drugs? I still feel that if we seek the knowledge, which is why we are here in this group, and practice what we learn, we are our own proof! Just my opinion, yeyetwas herbal remedies , " Dave <teamcourage@a...> " <teamcourage@a...> wrote: > I have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb > industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like there > products proven to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2002 Report Share Posted December 7, 2002 I have a question....why are you here if you are so skeptical? You sound like an angry person. I work in the health care industry. I can tell you this...there are certain things we just don't tell patients. Why? It's all about the money. Can I walk into the room and say " Look lady, you don't need this test, your doctor is getting a kickback from the insurance company " Sure I can, if I want to lose my job... Can I walk in and tell them that if they have an allergic reaction, they might die from it? Or that I get at least a patient a week that develops a reaction to it, at least one severe, life-threatening one a month? Do you know how many times we get patients that are listed as terminal, or DNR (do not rescusitate)...and then in the 'reason for study' it says " Follow up CA with mets to the liver " or " End stage Breast CA " . Why on earth are they ordering tests on these people? It's all about the money. I had a resident call me because they wanted to bring a lady down right away. When I asked why, his reply was " because she's going to die within the hour " " Within the hour? " " Yes, she's dnr and currently in respiratory failure " OK, A)I do not want this lady dying in my department at 3 am, and B)WHY IN THE WORLD DO YOU WANT TO GET A USELESS TEST ON HER???? It's all about the money. How many times did you go to your doctor's office and they give you samples? Do you know why they give you samples? Do you think they are trying to save you money? No. It's because there was a sales representative in the office probably that week that was giving them out. Did you know they get a kickback for writing scripts for those new drugs? Suddenly they find patients that fit the criteria. Have you noticed that your family doctor no longer treats you? You get referred to specialists. Is it because they suddenly lost the ability to treat you? No. It is because the insurance companies pay them to refer patients to other providers that are in their network. Why do you think a PPO is so much more expensive than an HMO? Because if you can choose your care, then you must pay extra for it. You break your arm, you go see an Ortho. If you have an HMO, you break your arm, you go to your family doc, he refers you to an ortho. I went to my cabinet one day and noticed how many prescription medications I had and it made me sick. Are there side effects to herbs? Not nearly as many as there are from drugs. You need to be informed about everything you take, whether it be herbs or drugs. Most people who take herbs are not concerned with miracle cures and supplements. MOST of them put the herbs in capsules or tincture them themselves so they know exactly what they are getting. The only concern there is...whether or not the herb was organic....cannot say that about the prescription drugs. Who the heck knows what was in it. Can you find a miracle cure in herbs? Where do you think they get the formulas for the new 'miracle' drugs? They find tribal people or cultures, who have low or no incidence of a certain affliction, such as cancer, find what is in their diet that is preventing this...bottle it up, sell it as their newest miracle cure. Do you know how many rainforests are destroyed in manufacturing tamoxifen? Kim herbal remedies , " Dave <teamcourage@a...> " <teamcourage@a...> wrote: > I have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb > industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like there > products proven to work. You look at any hearb treatment or suplment > out there and there is no testign no proof they work nothing. you look > at drugs and they have to spend 14 pluss yers studign the drig and > finding out every posbel side effect. I can go out and scoop up some > of my dogs poop put it into caplses and sell it ha s the new wonder > suplemt that will cure aids. and no one cna stop me. I think the govt > needs to put the fda in charge of the suplment industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2002 Report Share Posted December 7, 2002 Hey, is your dog fed a no-hormone, no steriod, vegetarian diet? If not, I don't want to try your poop in a capsule... herbal remedies , " Dave <teamcourage@a...> " <teamcourage@a...> wrote: > I have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb > industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like there > products proven to work. You look at any hearb treatment or suplment > out there and there is no testign no proof they work nothing. you look > at drugs and they have to spend 14 pluss yers studign the drig and > finding out every posbel side effect. I can go out and scoop up some > of my dogs poop put it into caplses and sell it ha s the new wonder > suplemt that will cure aids. and no one cna stop me. I think the govt > needs to put the fda in charge of the suplment industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Kim As a registered nurse, I applaud your response. Yeah, what she said! Couldn't have said it better myself. Pearlmoon In herbal remedies , " sirona71 <vze4dm6p@v...> " <vze4dm6p@v...> wrote: > I have a question....why are you here if you are so skeptical? You > sound like an angry person. > > I work in the health care industry. I can tell you this...there are > certain things we just don't tell patients. Why? It's all about the > money. Can I walk into the room and say " Look lady, you don't need > this test, your doctor is getting a kickback from the insurance > company " Sure I can, if I want to lose my job... Can I walk in and > tell them that if they have an allergic reaction, they might die > from it? Or that I get at least a patient a week that develops a > reaction to it, at least one severe, life-threatening one a month? > > Do you know how many times we get patients that are listed as > terminal, or DNR (do not rescusitate)...and then in the 'reason for > study' it says " Follow up CA with mets to the liver " or " End stage > Breast CA " . Why on earth are they ordering tests on these people? > It's all about the money. I had a resident call me because they > wanted to bring a lady down right away. When I asked why, his reply > was " because she's going to die within the hour " " Within the > hour? " " Yes, she's dnr and currently in respiratory failure " OK, A) I > do not want this lady dying in my department at 3 am, and B)WHY IN > THE WORLD DO YOU WANT TO GET A USELESS TEST ON HER???? It's all > about the money. > > How many times did you go to your doctor's office and they give you > samples? Do you know why they give you samples? Do you think they > are trying to save you money? No. It's because there was a sales > representative in the office probably that week that was giving them > out. Did you know they get a kickback for writing scripts for those > new drugs? Suddenly they find patients that fit the criteria. > > Have you noticed that your family doctor no longer treats you? You > get referred to specialists. Is it because they suddenly lost the > ability to treat you? No. It is because the insurance companies pay > them to refer patients to other providers that are in their network. > Why do you think a PPO is so much more expensive than an HMO? > Because if you can choose your care, then you must pay extra for it. > You break your arm, you go see an Ortho. If you have an HMO, you > break your arm, you go to your family doc, he refers you to an ortho. > > I went to my cabinet one day and noticed how many prescription > medications I had and it made me sick. > > Are there side effects to herbs? Not nearly as many as there are > from drugs. You need to be informed about everything you take, > whether it be herbs or drugs. Most people who take herbs are not > concerned with miracle cures and supplements. MOST of them put the > herbs in capsules or tincture them themselves so they know exactly > what they are getting. The only concern there is...whether or not > the herb was organic....cannot say that about the prescription > drugs. Who the heck knows what was in it. > > Can you find a miracle cure in herbs? Where do you think they get > the formulas for the new 'miracle' drugs? They find tribal people or > cultures, who have low or no incidence of a certain affliction, such > as cancer, find what is in their diet that is preventing > this...bottle it up, sell it as their newest miracle cure. Do you > know how many rainforests are destroyed in manufacturing tamoxifen? > > Kim > > herbal remedies , " Dave <teamcourage@a...> " > <teamcourage@a...> wrote: > > I have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb > > industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like > there > > products proven to work. You look at any hearb treatment or > suplment > > out there and there is no testign no proof they work nothing. you > look > > at drugs and they have to spend 14 pluss yers studign the drig and > > finding out every posbel side effect. I can go out and scoop up > some > > of my dogs poop put it into caplses and sell it ha s the new > wonder > > suplemt that will cure aids. and no one cna stop me. I think the > govt > > needs to put the fda in charge of the suplment industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 nicely said! Suzi "Cheryl Snyder <cruckdes" <cruckdes wrote: How much more proof is needed? Hundreds of years, hundreds of cultures, and millions of ancestors are proof! Not to mention that many of our modern drugs are plant based as well.So the FDA, which is one of the most corrupt agencies in the US government, tests for years to prove drugs are safe for our use, only to have many of those same drugs recalled and pulled off the market because they are not safe after all. Thalidamide is a good example.I for one, don't have any intention of giving the government any more control over my life and my body, then they already have. In fact, I am more concerned with taking some of that control back!Do you really want them telling you what Herbs you can and cannot put in your body?And don't think for a minute that just because you have not seen any test results, there have been no tests done! Think of what would happen if the American people found out that it was proven that there were herbs, that you can go and collect yourself or obtain inexpensively, worked as good or better than their obscenely expensive manufactured drugs?I still feel that if we seek the knowledge, which is why we are here in this group, and practice what we learn, we are our own proof!Just my opinion,yeyetwas herbal remedies , "Dave " wrote:> I have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb > industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like there > products proven to work. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Can I kiss you? sirona71 <vze4dm6p [vze4dm6p]Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:32 PMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] Re: a questionI have a question....why are you here if you are so skeptical? You sound like an angry person.I work in the health care industry. I can tell you this...there are certain things we just don't tell patients. Why? It's all about the money. Can I walk into the room and say "Look lady, you don't need this test, your doctor is getting a kickback from the insurance company" Sure I can, if I want to lose my job... Can I walk in and tell them that if they have an allergic reaction, they might die from it? Or that I get at least a patient a week that develops a reaction to it, at least one severe, life-threatening one a month?Do you know how many times we get patients that are listed as terminal, or DNR (do not rescusitate)...and then in the 'reason for study' it says "Follow up CA with mets to the liver" or "End stage Breast CA". Why on earth are they ordering tests on these people? It's all about the money. I had a resident call me because they wanted to bring a lady down right away. When I asked why, his reply was "because she's going to die within the hourWithin the hour?Yes, she's dnr and currently in respiratory failure" OK, A)I do not want this lady dying in my department at 3 am, and B)WHY IN THE WORLD DO YOU WANT TO GET A USELESS TEST ON HER???? It's all about the money.How many times did you go to your doctor's office and they give you samples? Do you know why they give you samples? Do you think they are trying to save you money? No. It's because there was a sales representative in the office probably that week that was giving them out. Did you know they get a kickback for writing scripts for those new drugs? Suddenly they find patients that fit the criteria.Have you noticed that your family doctor no longer treats you? You get referred to specialists. Is it because they suddenly lost the ability to treat you? No. It is because the insurance companies pay them to refer patients to other providers that are in their network. Why do you think a PPO is so much more expensive than an HMO? Because if you can choose your care, then you must pay extra for it. You break your arm, you go see an Ortho. If you have an HMO, you break your arm, you go to your family doc, he refers you to an ortho.I went to my cabinet one day and noticed how many prescription medications I had and it made me sick. Are there side effects to herbs? Not nearly as many as there are from drugs. You need to be informed about everything you take, whether it be herbs or drugs. Most people who take herbs are not concerned with miracle cures and supplements. MOST of them put the herbs in capsules or tincture them themselves so they know exactly what they are getting. The only concern there is...whether or not the herb was organic....cannot say that about the prescription drugs. Who the heck knows what was in it.Can you find a miracle cure in herbs? Where do you think they get the formulas for the new 'miracle' drugs? They find tribal people or cultures, who have low or no incidence of a certain affliction, such as cancer, find what is in their diet that is preventing this...bottle it up, sell it as their newest miracle cure. Do you know how many rainforests are destroyed in manufacturing tamoxifen?Kimherbal remedies , "Dave <teamcourage@a...>" <teamcourage@a...> wrote:> I have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb > industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like there > products proven to work. You look at any hearb treatment or suplment > out there and there is no testign no proof they work nothing. you look > at drugs and they have to spend 14 pluss yers studign the drig and > finding out every posbel side effect. I can go out and scoop up some > of my dogs poop put it into caplses and sell it ha s the new wonder > suplemt that will cure aids. and no one cna stop me. I think the govt > needs to put the fda in charge of the suplment industryFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Shelby Blakely [s.blakely] Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:22 PM herbal remedies RE: [herbal remedies] Re: a question Can I kiss you? sirona71 <vze4dm6p [vze4dm6p] Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:32 PM To: herbal remedies [herbal remedies] Re: a question I have a question....why are you here if you are so skeptical? You sound like an angry person. I work in the health care industry. I can tell you this...there are certain things we just don't tell patients. Why? It's all about the money. Can I walk into the room and say " Look lady, you don't need this test, your doctor is getting a kickback from the insurance company " Sure I can, if I want to lose my job... Can I walk in and tell them that if they have an allergic reaction, they might die from it? Or that I get at least a patient a week that develops a reaction to it, at least one severe, life-threatening one a month? Do you know how many times we get patients that are listed as terminal, or DNR (do not rescusitate)...and then in the 'reason for study' it says " Follow up CA with mets to the liver " or " End stage Breast CA " . Why on earth are they ordering tests on these people? It's all about the money. I had a resident call me because they wanted to bring a lady down right away. When I asked why, his reply was " because she's going to die within the hour " " Within the hour? " " Yes, she's dnr and currently in respiratory failure " OK, A)I do not want this lady dying in my department at 3 am, and B)WHY IN THE WORLD DO YOU WANT TO GET A USELESS TEST ON HER???? It's all about the money. How many times did you go to your doctor's office and they give you samples? Do you know why they give you samples? Do you think they are trying to save you money? No. It's because there was a sales representative in the office probably that week that was giving them out. Did you know they get a kickback for writing scripts for those new drugs? Suddenly they find patients that fit the criteria. Have you noticed that your family doctor no longer treats you? You get referred to specialists. Is it because they suddenly lost the ability to treat you? No. It is because the insurance companies pay them to refer patients to other providers that are in their network. Why do you think a PPO is so much more expensive than an HMO? Because if you can choose your care, then you must pay extra for it. You break your arm, you go see an Ortho. If you have an HMO, you break your arm, you go to your family doc, he refers you to an ortho. I went to my cabinet one day and noticed how many prescription medications I had and it made me sick. Are there side effects to herbs? Not nearly as many as there are from drugs. You need to be informed about everything you take, whether it be herbs or drugs. Most people who take herbs are not concerned with miracle cures and supplements. MOST of them put the herbs in capsules or tincture them themselves so they know exactly what they are getting. The only concern there is...whether or not the herb was organic....cannot say that about the prescription drugs. Who the heck knows what was in it. Can you find a miracle cure in herbs? Where do you think they get the formulas for the new 'miracle' drugs? They find tribal people or cultures, who have low or no incidence of a certain affliction, such as cancer, find what is in their diet that is preventing this...bottle it up, sell it as their newest miracle cure. Do you know how many rainforests are destroyed in manufacturing tamoxifen? Kim herbal remedies , " Dave <teamcourage@a...> " <teamcourage@a...> wrote: > I have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb > industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like there > products proven to work. You look at any hearb treatment or suplment > out there and there is no testign no proof they work nothing. you look > at drugs and they have to spend 14 pluss yers studign the drig and > finding out every posbel side effect. I can go out and scoop up some > of my dogs poop put it into caplses and sell it ha s the new wonder > suplemt that will cure aids. and no one cna stop me. I think the govt > needs to put the fda in charge of the suplment industry Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Whooops, I don't think my smilie face hershey kiss showed up, lol...it's in the attachment, LOL Kim herbal remedies , " Kim " <vze4dm6p@v...> wrote: > > > > Shelby Blakely [s.blakely@v...] > Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:22 PM > herbal remedies > RE: [herbal remedies] Re: a question > > Can I kiss you? > > sirona71 <vze4dm6p@v...> [vze4dm6p@v...] > Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:32 PM > herbal remedies > [herbal remedies] Re: a question > I have a question....why are you here if you are so skeptical? You > sound like an angry person. > > I work in the health care industry. I can tell you this...there are > certain things we just don't tell patients. Why? It's all about the > money. Can I walk into the room and say " Look lady, you don't need > this test, your doctor is getting a kickback from the insurance > company " Sure I can, if I want to lose my job... Can I walk in and > tell them that if they have an allergic reaction, they might die > from it? Or that I get at least a patient a week that develops a > reaction to it, at least one severe, life-threatening one a month? > > Do you know how many times we get patients that are listed as > terminal, or DNR (do not rescusitate)...and then in the 'reason for > study' it says " Follow up CA with mets to the liver " or " End stage > Breast CA " . Why on earth are they ordering tests on these people? > It's all about the money. I had a resident call me because they > wanted to bring a lady down right away. When I asked why, his reply > was " because she's going to die within the hour " " Within the > hour? " " Yes, she's dnr and currently in respiratory failure " OK, A) I > do not want this lady dying in my department at 3 am, and B)WHY IN > THE WORLD DO YOU WANT TO GET A USELESS TEST ON HER???? It's all > about the money. > > How many times did you go to your doctor's office and they give you > samples? Do you know why they give you samples? Do you think they > are trying to save you money? No. It's because there was a sales > representative in the office probably that week that was giving them > out. Did you know they get a kickback for writing scripts for those > new drugs? Suddenly they find patients that fit the criteria. > > Have you noticed that your family doctor no longer treats you? You > get referred to specialists. Is it because they suddenly lost the > ability to treat you? No. It is because the insurance companies pay > them to refer patients to other providers that are in their network. > Why do you think a PPO is so much more expensive than an HMO? > Because if you can choose your care, then you must pay extra for it. > You break your arm, you go see an Ortho. If you have an HMO, you > break your arm, you go to your family doc, he refers you to an ortho. > > I went to my cabinet one day and noticed how many prescription > medications I had and it made me sick. > > Are there side effects to herbs? Not nearly as many as there are > from drugs. You need to be informed about everything you take, > whether it be herbs or drugs. Most people who take herbs are not > concerned with miracle cures and supplements. MOST of them put the > herbs in capsules or tincture them themselves so they know exactly > what they are getting. The only concern there is...whether or not > the herb was organic....cannot say that about the prescription > drugs. Who the heck knows what was in it. > > Can you find a miracle cure in herbs? Where do you think they get > the formulas for the new 'miracle' drugs? They find tribal people or > cultures, who have low or no incidence of a certain affliction, such > as cancer, find what is in their diet that is preventing > this...bottle it up, sell it as their newest miracle cure. Do you > know how many rainforests are destroyed in manufacturing tamoxifen? > > Kim > > herbal remedies , " Dave <teamcourage@a...> " > <teamcourage@a...> wrote: > > I have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb > > industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like > there > > products proven to work. You look at any hearb treatment or > suplment > > out there and there is no testign no proof they work nothing. you > look > > at drugs and they have to spend 14 pluss yers studign the drig and > > finding out every posbel side effect. I can go out and scoop up > some > > of my dogs poop put it into caplses and sell it ha s the new > wonder > > suplemt that will cure aids. and no one cna stop me. I think the > govt > > needs to put the fda in charge of the suplment industry > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural > remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician > and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long > as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products > from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 it did... sirona71 <vze4dm6p [vze4dm6p]Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:33 PMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] Re: a questionWhooops, I don't think my smilie face hershey kiss showed up, lol...it's in the attachment, LOLKimherbal remedies , "Kim" <vze4dm6p@v...> wrote:> > > > Shelby Blakely [s.blakely@v...] > Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:22 PM> herbal remedies > RE: [herbal remedies] Re: a question> > Can I kiss you? > > sirona71 <vze4dm6p@v...> [vze4dm6p@v...]> Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:32 PM> herbal remedies > [herbal remedies] Re: a question> I have a question....why are you here if you are so skeptical? You > sound like an angry person.> > I work in the health care industry. I can tell you this...there are > certain things we just don't tell patients. Why? It's all about the > money. Can I walk into the room and say "Look lady, you don't need > this test, your doctor is getting a kickback from the insurance > company" Sure I can, if I want to lose my job... Can I walk in and > tell them that if they have an allergic reaction, they might die > from it? Or that I get at least a patient a week that develops a > reaction to it, at least one severe, life-threatening one a month?> > Do you know how many times we get patients that are listed as > terminal, or DNR (do not rescusitate)...and then in the 'reason for > study' it says "Follow up CA with mets to the liver" or "End stage > Breast CA". Why on earth are they ordering tests on these people? > It's all about the money. I had a resident call me because they > wanted to bring a lady down right away. When I asked why, his reply > was "because she's going to die within the hourWithin the > hour?Yes, she's dnr and currently in respiratory failure" OK, A)I > do not want this lady dying in my department at 3 am, and B)WHY IN > THE WORLD DO YOU WANT TO GET A USELESS TEST ON HER???? It's all > about the money.> > How many times did you go to your doctor's office and they give you > samples? Do you know why they give you samples? Do you think they > are trying to save you money? No. It's because there was a sales > representative in the office probably that week that was giving them > out. Did you know they get a kickback for writing scripts for those > new drugs? Suddenly they find patients that fit the criteria.> > Have you noticed that your family doctor no longer treats you? You > get referred to specialists. Is it because they suddenly lost the > ability to treat you? No. It is because the insurance companies pay > them to refer patients to other providers that are in their network. > Why do you think a PPO is so much more expensive than an HMO? > Because if you can choose your care, then you must pay extra for it. > You break your arm, you go see an Ortho. If you have an HMO, you > break your arm, you go to your family doc, he refers you to an ortho.> > I went to my cabinet one day and noticed how many prescription > medications I had and it made me sick. > > Are there side effects to herbs? Not nearly as many as there are > from drugs. You need to be informed about everything you take, > whether it be herbs or drugs. Most people who take herbs are not > concerned with miracle cures and supplements. MOST of them put the > herbs in capsules or tincture them themselves so they know exactly > what they are getting. The only concern there is...whether or not > the herb was organic....cannot say that about the prescription > drugs. Who the heck knows what was in it.> > Can you find a miracle cure in herbs? Where do you think they get > the formulas for the new 'miracle' drugs? They find tribal people or > cultures, who have low or no incidence of a certain affliction, such > as cancer, find what is in their diet that is preventing > this...bottle it up, sell it as their newest miracle cure. Do you > know how many rainforests are destroyed in manufacturing tamoxifen?> > Kim> > herbal remedies , "Dave <teamcourage@a...>" > <teamcourage@a...> wrote:> > I have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb > > industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like > there > > products proven to work. You look at any hearb treatment or > suplment > > out there and there is no testign no proof they work nothing. you > look > > at drugs and they have to spend 14 pluss yers studign the drig and > > finding out every posbel side effect. I can go out and scoop up > some > > of my dogs poop put it into caplses and sell it ha s the new > wonder > > suplemt that will cure aids. and no one cna stop me. I think the > govt > > needs to put the fda in charge of the suplment industry> > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural> remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician> and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long> as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any> person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products> from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and> members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Oh man, that was a really good response. If you don't mind, i'm going to keep this one so when people i talk with at church or other places give me this crap, i'll have something really good to confront them with sirona71 <vze4dm6p [vze4dm6p] Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:32 PMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] Re: a questionI have a question....why are you here if you are so skeptical? You sound like an angry person.I work in the health care industry. I can tell you this...there are certain things we just don't tell patients. Why? It's all about the money. Can I walk into the room and say "Look lady, you don't need this test, your doctor is getting a kickback from the insurance company" Sure I can, if I want to lose my job... Can I walk in and tell them that if they have an allergic reaction, they might die from it? Or that I get at least a patient a week that develops a reaction to it, at least one severe, life-threatening one a month?Do you know how many times we get patients that are listed as terminal, or DNR (do not rescusitate)...and then in the 'reason for study' it says "Follow up CA with mets to the liver" or "End stage Breast CA". Why on earth are they ordering tests on these people? It's all about the money. I had a resident call me because they wanted to bring a lady down right away. When I asked why, his reply was "because she's going to die within the hourWithin the hour?Yes, she's dnr and currently in respiratory failure" OK, A)I do not want this lady dying in my department at 3 am, and B)WHY IN THE WORLD DO YOU WANT TO GET A USELESS TEST ON HER???? It's all about the money.How many times did you go to your doctor's office and they give you samples? Do you know why they give you samples? Do you think they are trying to save you money? No. It's because there was a sales representative in the office probably that week that was giving them out. Did you know they get a kickback for writing scripts for those new drugs? Suddenly they find patients that fit the criteria.Have you noticed that your family doctor no longer treats you? You get referred to specialists. Is it because they suddenly lost the ability to treat you? No. It is because the insurance companies pay them to refer patients to other providers that are in their network. Why do you think a PPO is so much more expensive than an HMO? Because if you can choose your care, then you must pay extra for it. You break your arm, you go see an Ortho. If you have an HMO, you break your arm, you go to your family doc, he refers you to an ortho.I went to my cabinet one day and noticed how many prescription medications I had and it made me sick. Are there side effects to herbs? Not nearly as many as there are from drugs. You need to be informed about everything you take, whether it be herbs or drugs. Most people who take herbs are not concerned with miracle cures and supplements. MOST of them put the herbs in capsules or tincture them themselves so they know exactly what they are getting. The only concern there is...whether or not the herb was organic....cannot say that about the prescription drugs. Who the heck knows what was in it.Can you find a miracle cure in herbs? Where do you think they get the formulas for the new 'miracle' drugs? They find tribal people or cultures, who have low or no incidence of a certain affliction, such as cancer, find what is in their diet that is preventing this...bottle it up, sell it as their newest miracle cure. Do you know how many rainforests are destroyed in manufacturing tamoxifen?Kimherbal remedies , "Dave <teamcourage@a...>" <teamcourage@a...> wrote:> I have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb > industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like there > products proven to work. You look at any hearb treatment or suplment > out there and there is no testign no proof they work nothing. you look > at drugs and they have to spend 14 pluss yers studign the drig and > finding out every posbel side effect. I can go out and scoop up some > of my dogs poop put it into caplses and sell it ha s the new wonder > suplemt that will cure aids. and no one cna stop me. I think the govt > needs to put the fda in charge of the suplment industryFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Hi Kim, and what a dreadful picture this is! Just wondering: why do you stay in such a job? Lisa - sirona71 <vze4dm6p herbal remedies Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:32 PM [herbal remedies] Re: a question I have a question....why are you here if you are so skeptical? You sound like an angry person.I work in the health care industry. I can tell you this...there are certain things we just don't tell patients. Why? It's all about the money. Can I walk into the room and say "Look lady, you don't need this test, your doctor is getting a kickback from the insurance company" Sure I can, if I want to lose my job... Can I walk in and tell them that if they have an allergic reaction, they might die from it? Or that I get at least a patient a week that develops a reaction to it, at least one severe, life-threatening one a month?Do you know how many times we get patients that are listed as terminal, or DNR (do not rescusitate)...and then in the 'reason for study' it says "Follow up CA with mets to the liver" or "End stage Breast CA". Why on earth are they ordering tests on these people? It's all about the money. I had a resident call me because they wanted to bring a lady down right away. When I asked why, his reply was "because she's going to die within the hourWithin the hour?Yes, she's dnr and currently in respiratory failure" OK, A)I do not want this lady dying in my department at 3 am, and B)WHY IN THE WORLD DO YOU WANT TO GET A USELESS TEST ON HER???? It's all about the money.How many times did you go to your doctor's office and they give you samples? Do you know why they give you samples? Do you think they are trying to save you money? No. It's because there was a sales representative in the office probably that week that was giving them out. Did you know they get a kickback for writing scripts for those new drugs? Suddenly they find patients that fit the criteria.Have you noticed that your family doctor no longer treats you? You get referred to specialists. Is it because they suddenly lost the ability to treat you? No. It is because the insurance companies pay them to refer patients to other providers that are in their network. Why do you think a PPO is so much more expensive than an HMO? Because if you can choose your care, then you must pay extra for it. You break your arm, you go see an Ortho. If you have an HMO, you break your arm, you go to your family doc, he refers you to an ortho.I went to my cabinet one day and noticed how many prescription medications I had and it made me sick. Are there side effects to herbs? Not nearly as many as there are from drugs. You need to be informed about everything you take, whether it be herbs or drugs. Most people who take herbs are not concerned with miracle cures and supplements. MOST of them put the herbs in capsules or tincture them themselves so they know exactly what they are getting. The only concern there is...whether or not the herb was organic....cannot say that about the prescription drugs. Who the heck knows what was in it.Can you find a miracle cure in herbs? Where do you think they get the formulas for the new 'miracle' drugs? They find tribal people or cultures, who have low or no incidence of a certain affliction, such as cancer, find what is in their diet that is preventing this...bottle it up, sell it as their newest miracle cure. Do you know how many rainforests are destroyed in manufacturing tamoxifen?Kimherbal remedies , "Dave <teamcourage@a...>" <teamcourage@a...> wrote:> I have a question. what is the health food industry and the herb > industry and sulemt industry so scared of that they don't like there > products proven to work. You look at any hearb treatment or suplment > out there and there is no testign no proof they work nothing. you look > at drugs and they have to spend 14 pluss yers studign the drig and > finding out every posbel side effect. I can go out and scoop up some > of my dogs poop put it into caplses and sell it ha s the new wonder > suplemt that will cure aids. and no one cna stop me. I think the govt > needs to put the fda in charge of the suplment industryFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Well said! I too work in a hospital and see these same things. Why is a 91 year old woman admitted with a Migraine subjected to a barium enema the day before she is scheduled for admission to a nursing home? Could it be that last buck being squeezed? And tamoxifen is a great example. A friends insurance company is billed 95 dollars for this med that costs 5 dollars to make! Things I have seen where i work along with many, many, concerns for my wellbeing, the wellbeing of this planet, generations of evidence as to the effectiveness and soundness of herbal healing is what brought me here. Why is such an angry, sceptical person such as the original poster here? I don't see that person answering that question, I am just curious. herbal remedies , " sirona71 <vze4dm6p@v...> " <vze4dm6p@v...> wrote: > I have a question....why are you here if you are so skeptical? You > sound like an angry person. industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 i had a sales rep once push the new and improved soy prescription which had been chemically altered to the menopausal staff. when i asked why not take a purer form of soy they told me that this product was indeed better as it had been altered. now did this young rep. really believe this or were/are they that brainwashed? s- Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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