Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 I also used to believe the soybean was a good source of protein in the diet. Then I began to research into the history and usage of the soybean and discovered that what we have in the marketplace today is somewhat different from the traditional soybean that was used, as well as discovering that todays processing techniques leave considerable questions regarding the safety of using soy. The anti-nutrient qualities of todays soy products may create far more problems than any benefits that we perceive we are receiving due to a very good media campaign to make the soybean " king " of protein. I decided to avoid (as much as possible) the use of soy products as there are some very credible researchers and studies that have been done showing the hype about todays soy is not only wrong, but it is creating some dangerous health situations for many people who are consuming these modern soy products. Traditional fermented soy eliminated the anti-nutrients. There are two sides to the issue, but to me it appears it's the money side vs. the safety of the products. Unfortunately, if you're into " studies " , for a definitive answer to the question of is it safe or not, that question will be debatable for some time. As for me, I'll choose to avoid the modern soy until it's actually proven to be a safe product for human usage. At this moment it is years away from that sort of a conclusion. Unfortunately, there may be millions of people who pay the price of losing their health while consuming a questionable product. Doug Soy Protein: Panacea or Poison? http://www.i-a-r-t.com/articles/soyprotein.html http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/isoflavones.html The following article was submitted to the FDA in an effort to block inclusion of estrogen-like compounds called isoflavones, found in large amounts in soy products, in the GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) list of ingredients in foods and medicines. Introduction The Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM) have provided the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) with notice that it has determined that the substance soy isoflavone is generally recognised as safe (GRAS). This notice was made in accordance with the FDA proposed rule 'Substances Generally Recognized as Safe' 21 CFR Parts 170, 184, 186 and 570. In support of this notice, ADM have provided a document entitled " An information document reviewing the safety of soy isoflavones used in specific dietary applications. " http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/isoflavones.html Soy: The Poison Seed http://www.totalityofbeing.com/id58.htm http://www.mercola.com/2000/feb/20/more_on_soy_part_2.htm Monsanto has gained millions in profits from sales of its popular herbicide, RoundupÆ, and in turn has produced several transgenic crops that resist it. Soy is of course among those Roundup-ReadyÆ crops. Being resistant to this powerful herbicide, farmers are able to spray more of it on their crops, resulting in higher levels of toxins in the harvested product. Recent studies have shown that sprayed soybean crops have an elevated estrogen level (much higher than the soybean's already high levels). As we mentioned earlier, the synergistic effect of these estrogens - especially on children ingesting soy based formula is unknown, but in a recent study reported in Pediatrics raised a few eyebrows. " Investigators found that one percent of all girls now show signs of puberty, such as breast development or pubic hair before the age of THREE; by age eight 14.7 percent of Caucasian girls and a whopping 48.3 percent of African-American girls had one or both of these characteristics " states Sally Fallon in the Price-Pottinger article on soy. (For a natural alternative to soy and milk based formula, see Nourishing Traditions, available through PPNF at 619-574-7763). http://www.mercola.com/2000/feb/20/more_on_soy_part_2.htm http://creativehealth.netfirms.com/soybrain.shtml " Tofu Shrinks Brain! " Not a science fiction scenario, this sobering soybean revelation is for real. But how did the " poster bean " of the '90s go wrong? Apparently, in many ways -- none of which bode well for the brain. In a major ongoing study involving 3,734 elderly Japanese-American men, those who ate the most tofu during midlife had up to 2.4 times the risk of later developing Alzheimer's disease. As part of the three-decade long Honolulu-Asia Aging Study, 27 foods and drinks were correlated with participants' health. Men who consumed tofu at least twice weekly had more cognitive impairment, compared with those who rarely or never ate the soybean curd. [1,2] http://creativehealth.netfirms.com/soybrain.shtml - > Thu, 07 Nov 2002 17:16:18 -0000 > " yogiguruji " <yogiguruji > Rich Wholefood Nutrients > > Good Morning! > > Rich Wholefood Nutrients > > When looking for natural foods which can provide a balanced source of > essential nutrients, we need look no further than the amazing honey > bee, the mighty soy bean and the microscopic algae. > > Rich Green Wholefoods (Chlorella, Spirulina, , Barley Grass, Wheat > Grass) contain the most powerful combination of nutrients ever known > in any grain, herb or food. They contain almost all of the vitamins, > minerals, proteins and enzymes necessary for the human diet, plus > chlorophyll. These necessities are bio-available which means that > they are easily assimilated throughout the digestive tract, giving > our bodies instant access to vital nutrients. > > Soy Wholefoods (Protein Powder) long recognized for being a rich > source of low-fat protein and fiber. Soy protein has been the object > of studies showing its many beneficial qualities in building and > maintaining our health. Its high levels of soluble fiber have been > found to be beneficial in preventing disease and lowering blood > cholesterol levels. Soy should be part of our every day diet. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 Doug or anyone on the list, I am hypoglycemic and try to have a protein powder drink on hand. Since Whey [ I think?] produces mucous, and soy is not good for us, and some of the other powders taste HORRIBLE, is there anyone here that can recommend a suitable meal replacement drink that is not made from soy? Lona Were you radiated as a baby? See health links. http://tahomagirl.com -------- Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and cutting hair. -- George Burns --------- Looking for computer help? ComputersForSeniors/ As for me, I'll choose to avoid : the modern soy until it's actually : proven to be a safe product for human usage. At this moment it is years : away from that sort of a conclusion. Unfortunately, there may be millions : of people who pay the price of losing their health while consuming a : questionable product. : : Doug : : : : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 I would love to eat more soy but I am allergic to soy. In trying to avoid it I have found that soy being cheap is in everything. Read the labels, it augments a wide variety of foods from mayonnaise and salad dressing type foods to crackers, cereal, and bread types. I have found it is almost impossible to buy food without it unless I go for the basics and make my own everything as much as I can. Very discouraging! Sarah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 Whey is an excellent source of protein, and, as far as I know (and from my own person experience) does not produce mucous. An excellent one is " Designer Whey " . You can find outlets for it on the Internet. Hypoglycemia can easily lead, of course, to type 2 diabetes, so I earnestly suggest, if you haven't already done so, that you begin a dietary program such as " The Zone, " by Dr. Barry Sears. You can pick up his books in most bookstores. You might also wish to begin a supplemental omega-3 program, in the form of fish oil. Barry Sears offers an excellent one--as well as nutrition bars that were developed with diabetics in mind. They contain the ration of 40 percent low-glycemic carbos, 30 percent protein, and 30 percent fat. You can learn more about fish oil and get a link to Barry Sears' products at: http://www.authentic-breathing.com/fish_oil.htm With my best wishes, Dennis Lewis , " Lona " <lona@t...> wrote: > Doug or anyone on the list, > I am hypoglycemic and try to have a protein powder drink on hand. Since > Whey [ I think?] produces mucous, and soy is not good for us, and some of > the other powders taste HORRIBLE, is there anyone here that can recommend a > suitable meal replacement drink that is not made from soy? > Lona > > Were you radiated as a baby? See health links. > http://tahomagirl.com > -------- > Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy driving > cabs and cutting hair. > -- George Burns > --------- > Looking for computer help? > ComputersForSeniors/ > > > > > As for me, I'll choose to avoid > : the modern soy until it's actually > : proven to be a safe product for human usage. At this moment it is years > : away from that sort of a conclusion. Unfortunately, there may be millions > : of people who pay the price of losing their health while consuming a > : questionable product. > : > : Doug > : > : > : > : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Hi Lona, Something to consider is A) why not have some real food instead of protein powder? B) Protein powders that are " hydrolyzed " have higher levels of msg in them and this may actually be why you do not respond well to most whey protein. A better option would be from a company called Metagenics. The whey is only concentrated and it is from organic pasture fed cows in New Zeland. One place you can get it is at http://www.cedarcanyonclinic.com/page.php?pname=products near the bottom of the page called Bio Pure. C) You will likely find better results with your hypoglycemia if you do two things. Firstly when you consume your protein shake consume it with some carbohydrate such as some cherries or blueberries as together they will stabilize your blood sugar much better. Protein alone can initiate an insulin response that will promote the hypoglycemia over time. Just adding a little fruit will be a great boon. And Secondly, Hypoglycemia is not a permanent condition as it is so often treated as, there are professionals who can work with you so that you can correct the hypoglycemia with just diet and maybe a small amount of supplementation. The hypoglycemia is just a symptom of a larger issue. I hope this is of some help. DMM , " Lona " <lona@t...> wrote: > Doug or anyone on the list, > I am hypoglycemic and try to have a protein powder drink on hand. Since > Whey [ I think?] produces mucous, and soy is not good for us, and some of > the other powders taste HORRIBLE, is there anyone here that can recommend a > suitable meal replacement drink that is not made from soy? > Lona > > Were you radiated as a baby? See health links. > http://tahomagirl.com > -------- > Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy driving > cabs and cutting hair. > -- George Burns > --------- > Looking for computer help? > ComputersForSeniors/ > > > > > As for me, I'll choose to avoid > : the modern soy until it's actually > : proven to be a safe product for human usage. At this moment it is years > : away from that sort of a conclusion. Unfortunately, there may be millions > : of people who pay the price of losing their health while consuming a > : questionable product. > : > : Doug > : > : > : > : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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