RE: Integrity among wholistic practitioners

[Guest guest]

Hello William how do judge when a practitioner knows or not about treatements about cancer?

I myself have an enourmous experience in treatment of cancer to strengthening the persons energy so they can have quality of life in what concerns daily activities,digestive absorption etc, by using a special technique on their spines which I learned in China,but how could you tell if I know or not when I give my statement?

The point here is that you can't there will be statements and challenges of the statement, acceptance and non-acceptance, that is the normal process.

This judgment will have to be done by the individuals in the list and ethics play a role in the statement from that professional.So your judgment of know or not, is relative to your individual understanding or acceptance. And that is not acceptable rule as true or not true for the statement in play.

I doubted if you would accept my statement above as techniques done manual to the spine for the purpose of strengthening the cancer patient. You never heard or have an experience about this statement so how could you judge the validity of It??

Romel

 

 

1. Alternative practitioners sticking to what they KNOW rather than guessing about every possible therapy. For instance, if you don't know about working with cancer patients then keep your yap shut. MORE damage is done through SUPPOSING than in giving bad advice.

[Guest guest]

<<Watching these lists, for the last 4 years, has been a HUGE discouragement. Nothing has changed. There are awesome therapies and practitioners out there, and they are not even being used by the crowd doing the talking. It's like we're all in two different worlds, the doers and the talkers.>>

 

 

 

I understand this concern, it is a sad story but a real one. even within the alternative profession groups or socities there is a lack of this fundamental concern and quest for the clinical interaction based on discussions and practice. There is allot of superficiall stuff going on. And it is up to the real ones to make the change, and will not be by the rule of one judgment, it is impossible.

Romel

[Guest guest]

Moe,

you must be a glutton for discouragement. Why else would you watch these non-professional lists that are HUGELY discouraging to you for 4 years? Of course, it wouldn't be to take advantage of the opportunity to promote your own practice would it? Why haven't you listed those "awesome therapies and practitioners" which are not being used by those doing the talking here? Maybe the only reason they aren't using them is that you haven't written about them. But, before you do, I'd like to comment on what you have written about your self.

 

1. If you are what you think, who do you think you are? You have many concerns and complaints and only one solution suits you. The way you come across, it seems your agenda is to stop everyone from contemplating possibilities and accept your facts as the facts, or, shut up.

 

2. Do YOU "know" what cancer is?

 

3. Do you know what the function of the "immune" system is? Do you know why most people who consume concentrated sugar have tumors that grow faster than those who don't? Do you know why some people experience complete remission of tumors, sometimes in a so-called Spontaneous manner, rather than just slow down their growth rate?

 

4. In regards to the condition of cancer, altering that condition is usually more about NOT DOING than it is about doing.

 

Moe [bbdarling]Monday, February 11, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: Integrity among wholistic practitioners

Here's what I'd like to see more of......1. Alternative practitioners sticking to what they KNOW rather than guessing about every possible therapy. For instance, if you don't know about working with cancer patients then keep your yap shut. MORE damage is done through SUPPOSING than in giving bad advice.2. Stick to FACTUAL information, ie. chemotherapy only has a 3% cure rate. This is a true statement. If we all keep repeating the correct information, it will eventually STICK somewhere. Cancers that are operated on, grow faster during recovery from surgery: FACT. Cancer is NOT the tumor. The tumor is just evidence of the cancer.3. Regarding cancer patients, we all know that the immune system is caput. That's a no-brainer. What we're not told is that tumors grow 6X faster when they have sugar in the diet. The key to all tumors is to knock down the viral load. Somehow that tumor must be made to grow slower, there are a number of PROVEN therapies, including laetrile, frankincense(see studies on boswellia), MGN-3, various chinese mushrooms, Haelen, and even prayer works.4. Let's just demystify the whole process. Healing is about DOING. Doing great nutrition and herbs that assist the healing process is super, but we are not JUST what we eat, we are what we THINK and ARE. Let's get some truthfulness and integrity into this whole game we're playing. These are LIVES we're talking about. If the smallest amount of doubt stops somebody from taking a lifesaving action, we are accountable for that.As a matter of interest, I am a wholistic practitioner, I use computerized voice BioAnalysis to evaluate the missing frequencies in the body, via the voice print. Using this output from a computer program, we can determine EXACTLY what frequencies are missing, no guesswork involved. We need to STOP guessing, and get serious about harmonizing the body. It's time to DO, not chat about what somebody wrote in a book.Watching these lists, for the last 4 years, has been a HUGE discouragement. Nothing has changed. There are awesome therapies and practitioners out there, and they are not even being used by the crowd doing the talking. It's like we're all in two different worlds, the doers and the talkers.What's up with that? Here's what I think..... we teach what we most need to learn, the ancients say...... and when we know.... we don't talk about it anymore, it's commonplace.Moe

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[Guest guest]

Hello William,

Would you please answers some ot the questions you just posed to Moe?

I am a lay person and very interested in your view point.

At present my father is dying from cancer and I need to understand

this disease.

I joined this list because I expected diverse viewpoints that would

give me a spring board and tools to do more research.

Respectfully,

Roxanne

 

Roxanne J. Brown

Elemental Clay

http://www.cloudnet.com/~elemclay/

" One does not learn by speaking "

[Guest guest]

The world and our lifes are much to short for petty disagreements. Everyone has a right to their opinion but they also should see when they have offended and offer up an apology..not for their beliefs but for the fact that they said something that hurt or made another feel small or senseless!

 

We each have individual gifts and i thank you all for all the words i have taken to heart and for the things i do not wish to take to heart or even read the internet has a button on all PC's called delete. Rather then get all up tight (as i am known to do) when I see something i think may offend i simply use the button!

 

Hope you all have a most wonderful day and that the sun shines on you and that you know you are truely loved and let your "god"..however this may imply...like qualities shiine through for others to witness!

 

Peace, Love and Happiness! Bets

[Guest guest]

Hello Roxane I have a friend right now with cancer over 90% of her body and she is almost leaving , The morphine is just to control her pain she is going and she knows it, she is prepared for the trip and she is not taking anything anymore, not eating just sipping water , she wil leave today or tomoorow.

SOmetimes the only thng is to prepare for the transition. She does yoga and have a nice friendship with God, so you must see how she takes it, it is a long stoiry but a real one and I am learning allot from it. No fear just preparation, she did many things before as treatments but didn't work for her. SOrry to hear about your dad, and the efforts of learninbg about cancer is a good one to prevent this disease for other around us, family, friends ...

Romel

 

However, the reason for my query is not for pity. Far from it. I am

his daughter and I have siblings. I need to learn the diseases of my

elders and use that knowledge as a defense for my own health and the

health of those around me.

Respectfully,

Roxanne

[Guest guest]

Romel,

you've misread my post to Moe. I, too, was simply replying his quote (the you listed herein). The concern was his, not mine.

 

That said, I also beg to differ with you in your statements about "not begin able to judge when a practitioner knows or not..." Some of your statements in that regard, about which you seem most adamant, don't seem very logical. All people have to do to judge any practitioner or treatment is check their or its 'track' record. As for someone knowing whether your statements are accurate or not, same deal. You can't win acceptance with a rational being if you argue against facts and conversely, stating facts instead of claims is the easy way to gain acceptance with a rational person.

 

Maybe yourself, Moe, and other practitioners could be of greatest benefit to the alternative health movement by learning how to support the claims you are making with pertinent facts.

Love and natural health,

William Daniel.

 

Rasa3001 [Rasa3001]Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Integrity among wholistic practitionersHello William how do judge when a practitioner knows or not about treatements about cancer? I myself have an enourmous experience in treatment of cancer to strengthening the persons energy so they can have quality of life in what concerns daily activities,digestive absorption etc, by using a special technique on their spines which I learned in China,but how could you tell if I know or not when I give my statement? The point here is that you can't there will be statements and challenges of the statement, acceptance and non-acceptance, that is the normal process. This judgment will have to be done by the individuals in the list and ethics play a role in the statement from that professional.So your judgment of know or not, is relative to your individual understanding or acceptance. And that is not acceptable rule as true or not true for the statement in play. I doubted if you would accept my statement above as techniques done manual to the spine for the purpose of strengthening the cancer patient. You never heard or have an experience about this statement so how could you judge the validity of It?? Romel

1. Alternative practitioners sticking to what they KNOW rather than guessing about every possible therapy. For instance, if you don't know about working with cancer patients then keep your yap shut. MORE damage is done through SUPPOSING than in giving bad advice.**************************************************WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.

[Guest guest]

Roxanne,

I'd be glad to, how far along is your father, what area of his body has the

cancer and what has he been doing for it? Is he open to alternatives? (As

for my specific questions to Moe here on this list, I'd sure like to read

what Moe has to say about them before answering them myself. Of course, now

that Moe's big promo has been done here, maybe Moe is not 'watching' this

" discouraging " list any longer.)

 

Until Moe responds, feel free to write to me personally.

Love,

William Daniel.

 

^

^elementalclay [elementalclay]

^Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:39 PM

^

^RE: Integrity among wholistic

^practitioners

^

^

^Hello William,

^ Would you please answers some ot the questions you just posed to Moe?

^ I am a lay person and very interested in your view point.

^ At present my father is dying from cancer and I need to understand

^this disease.

^ I joined this list because I expected diverse viewpoints that would

^give me a spring board and tools to do more research.

^Respectfully,

^Roxanne

^

^Roxanne J. Brown

^Elemental Clay

^http://www.cloudnet.com/~elemclay/

^ " One does not learn by speaking "

^

^

^

[Guest guest]

<<Romel,

you've misread my post to Moe. I, too, was simply replying his quote (the you listed herein). The concern was his, not mine. >>

 

Hello William sorry for the misunderstanding, but you get the point yess

 

 

<That said, I also beg to differ with you in your statements about "not begin able to judge when a practitioner knows or not..." Some of your statements in that regard, about which you seem most adamant, don't seem very logical. All people have to do to judge any practitioner or treatment is check their or its 'track' record. As for someone knowing whether your statements are accurate or not, same deal. You can't win acceptance with a rational being if you argue against facts and conversely, stating facts instead of claims is the easy way to gain acceptance with a rational person.>>

 

William how can you validade my therapy as in the case of cancer for strenghtening physiology that I do for at least 10 years when you cannot put the clinical part in trial, you would not be able to do it yourself without demonstration and you would not understand just by the explanation.

Here you will have to acepte it or reject it.

And that make the judment of a statement very limit to as you said "Track record" mechanism, which will be not possible in many ocassions.

I have a eeling that your reasoning is limited to the what goes on record by articles and books as in small quotes here and there.

There is many amazing techniques and ways to bring health back that are not been quoted by magazines or books as yet, thing scomming from non-western countries for example. So here you would be very limited to quotes hopefully from bonafide magazines.

 

<<Maybe yourself, Moe, and other practitioners could be of greatest benefit to the alternative health movement by learning how to support the claims you are making with pertinent facts.

Love and natural health,

William Daniel.>>

 

easy to say, but as I see you live by quotes and limited vision of the infinite possibilities contained within this universe and it's many therapies, philosophies,theories, mechanism of relationships with the Inteligent Body( human or otherwise) Romel

 

 

-----Original Message

[Guest guest]

Hello William,

Thank you for your response.

My father is in the last stages of a cancer located behind his jaw but

not in the cranium. I believe he is on 100mg morphine patches (I could

be wrong on the dosage but it is quite a bit) and he is doing nothing

but waiting.

The rest of the family has tried to talk to him about alternative care

as we all use it and many methods.

When he called me and told me he didn't want any alternative care, I

had to respect his wishes and allow him to die in the manner he chooses.

It is a shame he went thru so much radiation and tooth surgery just to

end up like this.

However, the reason for my query is not for pity. Far from it. I am

his daughter and I have siblings. I need to learn the diseases of my

elders and use that knowledge as a defense for my own health and the

health of those around me.

Respectfully,

Roxanne

 

Roxanne J. Brown

Elemental Clay

http://www.cloudnet.com/~elemclay/

" One does not learn by speaking "

[Guest guest]

Nicely stated, Vivian. My sentiments exactly. My understanding is that a lot of people are on this list to learn about alternatives and Moe's post just did exactly that for which Moe was chastising everyone else. Namely raise doubts and discourage. So I hope you weren't thinking I was trying to put Moe down. In place according to what's so, yes, down, no. That is why I asked Moe specific questions to give Moe a chance for redemption with fellow practitioners and those who are seeking encouragement in finding alternative methods for restoring and maintaining health.

 

re: different remedies - I agree. There are usually several ways to restore some health when a person is diagnosed as having a specific disease as most so-called diseases are the result of a combination of health destroying practices, not just one.

Love and bright light,

William Daniel

 

Vivian Parson [darlene]Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Integrity among wholistic practitioners

We are here to learn not to judge or be put down. Some of us here are Reiki healers and some use herbs and then we have the chiropracters and different ones. rather than put someone down for talking . why not ask about something then let someone who knows answer the question. There may be several different remedies that work , not just one. Namaste

Love And Light

Vivian

-

 

WilliamDaniel (new addy)

Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:27 AM

RE: Integrity among wholistic practitioners

 

Romel,

you've misread my post to Moe. I, too, was simply replying his quote (the you listed herein). The concern was his, not mine.

 

That said, I also beg to differ with you in your statements about "not begin able to judge when a practitioner knows or not..." Some of your statements in that regard, about which you seem most adamant, don't seem very logical. All people have to do to judge any practitioner or treatment is check their or its 'track' record. As for someone knowing whether your statements are accurate or not, same deal. You can't win acceptance with a rational being if you argue against facts and conversely, stating facts instead of claims is the easy way to gain acceptance with a rational person.

 

Maybe yourself, Moe, and other practitioners could be of greatest benefit to the alternative health movement by learning how to support the claims you are making with pertinent facts.

Love and natural health,

William Daniel.

 

Rasa3001 [Rasa3001]Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Integrity among wholistic practitionersHello William how do judge when a practitioner knows or not about treatements about cancer? I myself have an enourmous experience in treatment of cancer to strengthening the persons energy so they can have quality of life in what concerns daily activities,digestive absorption etc, by using a special technique on their spines which I learned in China,but how could you tell if I know or not when I give my statement? The point here is that you can't there will be statements and challenges of the statement, acceptance and non-acceptance, that is the normal process. This judgment will have to be done by the individuals in the list and ethics play a role in the statement from that professional.So your judgment of know or not, is relative to your individual understanding or acceptance. And that is not acceptable rule as true or not true for the statement in play. I doubted if you would accept my statement above as techniques done manual to the spine for the purpose of strengthening the cancer patient. You never heard or have an experience about this statement so how could you judge the validity of It?? Romel

1. Alternative practitioners sticking to what they KNOW rather than guessing about every possible therapy. For instance, if you don't know about working with cancer patients then keep your yap shut. MORE damage is done through SUPPOSING than in giving bad advice.**************************************************WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.

[Guest guest]

You're welcome Roxanne,

(sounds like it's mastoidial) Though we can obviously inherit the

predisposition for a certain ailment genetically, most diseases are not

thought to be genetically predetermined. What is important, in regards to

health, is to be aware of all of the other areas of family 'inheritance'

that give rise to disease, with or without genetic keys, keeping in mind

that everything in our life that has positive or negative aspects, impacts

the state of our health.

 

Additionally, from infancy we learn, from experience and from example, to

manipulate our health to get what we want in our life. Latter in life we

don't always know we are doing a number on our health to get what we want in

some other area of our life, but it does not have matter to us as long our

primary need, whether conscious or unconscious, is getting met.

Love and awareness,

William Daniel.

 

^

^elementalclay [elementalclay]

^Wednesday, February 13, 2002 10:57 AM

^

^RE: Integrity among wholistic

^practitioners

^

^

^Hello William,

^ Thank you for your response.

^ My father is in the last stages of a cancer located behind

^his jaw but

^not in the cranium. I believe he is on 100mg morphine patches (I could

^be wrong on the dosage but it is quite a bit) and he is doing nothing

^but waiting.

^ The rest of the family has tried to talk to him about

^alternative care

^as we all use it and many methods.

^ When he called me and told me he didn't want any alternative care, I

^had to respect his wishes and allow him to die in the manner

^he chooses.

^ It is a shame he went thru so much radiation and tooth

^surgery just to

^end up like this.

^ However, the reason for my query is not for pity. Far from it. I am

^his daughter and I have siblings. I need to learn the diseases of my

^elders and use that knowledge as a defense for my own health and the

^health of those around me.

^Respectfully,

^Roxanne

^

^Roxanne J. Brown

^Elemental Clay

^http://www.cloudnet.com/~elemclay/

^ " One does not learn by speaking "

^

^

^