Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 Hello Everyone, Thank you Swamy for this group - holistic or wholistic :-) Three weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Graves Disease - hyperthyroidism. It is an autoimmune disease with no cure. The symptoms I experience are: palpitations, rapid heart rate, heat intolerance, insomnia, shortness of breath, fatigue, muscle weakness, edema, trembling hands, weight gain, hair loss, loss of memory & concentration. My thyroid is enlarged but that is diminishing a lot with the medication. I do not have the bulging eyes. I am on allopathic medication for the thyroid and heart, and it has helped tremendously. I am also taking Bach Flower Remedies, doing TAT (Tapas Acupressure Technique), Reiki and wearing amethyst and tourquoise for the immune system. I would appreciate hearing other's thoughts of complementary treatments. Blessings,- - - - -JanieWalk softly, Live gently~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~To receive everything, one must open one’s hands and give. ~ Taisen Deshimaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 Hi Janie; I recommend a Heilkunst type homeopath. hcclinc or phone 613-830-8307 for appointment Heilkunst Sequential Therapy I use Rudi Verspoor hcclinc or phone 613-830-8307 for appointment Heather McKenzie (Janet and the kids use this one [heatheris] She is one of the Heilkunst type homeopaths available at http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/practitioners.html My friend uses Ati but they are all good ))) They work at distance and the homeopathic remedies are included in the consult, but the shipping is extra but minimal as they do not weigh much. They work at distance and the remedies included with the appointment but you need to pay to have them mailed. http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/animals.html http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/animalstreatment.html http://www.heilkunst.com/ info www.homeopathy.com and our new school site http://www.homeopathy.com/property_photos.html Louise reconnect [reconnect] Monday, December 08, 2003 12:17 PM holistic-health Graves Disease Hello Everyone, Thank you Swamy for this group - holistic or wholistic :-) Three weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Graves Disease - hyperthyroidism. It is an autoimmune disease with no cure. The symptoms I experience are: palpitations, rapid heart rate, heat intolerance, insomnia, shortness of breath, fatigue, muscle weakness, edema, trembling hands, weight gain, hair loss, loss of memory & concentration. My thyroid is enlarged but that is diminishing a lot with the medication. I do not have the bulging eyes. I am on allopathic medication for the thyroid and heart, and it has helped tremendously. I am also taking Bach Flower Remedies, doing TAT (Tapas Acupressure Technique), Reiki and wearing amethyst and tourquoise for the immune system. I would appreciate hearing other's thoughts of complementary treatments. Blessings, - - - - - Janie Walk softly, Live gently ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ To receive everything, one must open one’s hands and give. ~ Taisen Deshimaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 hello,janie, you could start consultation with a professional homeopath,that wld be best.also ,you could check up thyroidinum in homeopathy,just read up on it on the homeopathic books online.if you feel it covers your symptoms,pls consult a professional homeopath and tell him/her what you think.whatever your professional homeopath decides should be best for you. however,do check the references of the homeopath b4 u start,some people have had very sad experiences with quacks.a lot of them call themselves professionals but arent really.i would advice ,if possible,to go to an outpatient clinic in a classical homeopathic university or college where u have reliable and expert people. i hope this will be of some help, health to all,seeker onnect <reconnect wrote: Hello Everyone, Thank you Swamy for this group - holistic or wholistic :-) Three weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Graves Disease - hyperthyroidism. It is an autoimmune disease with no cure. The symptoms I experience are: palpitations, rapid heart rate, heat intolerance, insomnia, shortness of breath, fatigue, muscle weakness, edema, trembling hands, weight gain, hair loss, loss of memory & concentration. My thyroid is enlarged but that is diminishing a lot with the medication. I do not have the bulging eyes. I am on allopathic medication for the thyroid and heart, and it has helped tremendously. I am also taking Bach Flower Remedies, doing TAT (Tapas Acupressure Technique), Reiki and wearing amethyst and tourquoise for the immune system. I would appreciate hearing other's thoughts of complementary treatments. Blessings,- - - - -JanieWalk softly, Live gently~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~To receive everything, one must open one’s hands and give. ~ Taisen Deshimaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 Hi Louise, Thank you for all the links. I'm not familiar with the term Heilkunst, so I will read the site. I do have a homeopathy practiitoner that I have gone to in the past, and I'll have to check to see if she is still around. Blessings,- - - - -JanieWalk softly, Live gently~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~To receive everything, one must open one’s hands and give. ~ Taisen Deshimaru Hi Janie;I recommend a Heilkunst type homeopath.hcclinc or phone 613-830-8307 for appointmentHeilkunst Sequential TherapyI use Rudi Verspoor hcclinc or phone 613-830-8307 forappointmentHeather McKenzie (Janet and the kids use this one[heatheris] She is one of the Heilkunst type homeopathsavailable at http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/practitioners.htmlMy friend uses Ati but they are all good )))They work at distance and the homeopathic remedies are included in theconsult, but the shipping is extra but minimal as they do not weigh much.They work at distance and the remedies included with the appointment but youneed to pay to have them mailed.http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/animals.htmlhttp://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/animalstreatment.htmlhttp://www.heilkunst.com/ infowww.homeopathy.com and our new school sitehttp://www.homeopathy.com/property_photos.htmlLouise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 Hi Seeker, I had checked just a little bit on homeopathy and Graves Disease and only found that tests did not prove there was much help, but I will continue to search. I have gone to a homeopath before and will look her up again. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and good advice. Blessings,- - - - -JanieWalk softly, Live gently~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~To receive everything, one must open one’s hands and give. ~ Taisen Deshimaru hello,janie, you could start consultation with a professional homeopath,that wld be best.also ,you could check up thyroidinum in homeopathy,just read up on it on the homeopathic books online.if you feel it covers your symptoms,pls consult a professional homeopath and tell him/her what you think.whatever your professional homeopath decides should be best for you. however,do check the references of the homeopath b4 u start,some people have had very sad experiences with quacks.a lot of them call themselves professionals but arent really.i would advice ,if possible,to go to an outpatient clinic in a classical homeopathic university or college where u have reliable and expert people. i hope this will be of some help, health to all,seeker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 Hi Janie; Write to the hcclinic to ask directly their experience with treating it as Heilkunst had different methods that are different from classical homeopathy. Louise reconnect [reconnect] Monday, December 08, 2003 9:43 PM holistic-health Re: Graves Disease Hi Louise, Thank you for all the links. I'm not familiar with the term Heilkunst, so I will read the site. I do have a homeopathy practitioner that I have gone to in the past, and I'll have to check to see if she is still around. Blessings, - - - - - Janie Walk softly, Live gently ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ To receive everything, one must open one’s hands and give. ~ Taisen Deshimaru Hi Janie; I recommend a Heilkunst type homeopath. hcclinc or phone 613-830-8307 for appointment Heilkunst Sequential Therapy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 Dear Janie, Sai Ram. If that is not your name, my apologies. Graves Disease affects the thyroid mostly. Homeopathy has the right medicines. It needs to be individualised for you. You wrote that you are already on allopathic medication for the thyroid. In that case, homeopathy or Heilkunst etc, have no place. Since you seem to be tolerating the allopathic medication well, pl. continue. Share with us the side effects or any other symptoms that come up, which could be helped by BFRs. Reiki will certainly help and I am sending you healing energy. Only if you are unable to continue allopathic medication or want to change to an alternative system for some other reasons, then do Tissue Remedies, Herbs, Homeopathy etc. come into picture. And you should certainly not do self-treatment in this case. Regards. Swamy At 12:16 08/12/03 -0500, you wrote: Hello Everyone, Thank you Swamy for this group - holistic or wholistic :-) Three weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Graves Disease - hyperthyroidism. It is an autoimmune disease with no cure. The symptoms I experience are: palpitations, rapid heart rate, heat intolerance, insomnia, shortness of breath, fatigue, muscle weakness, edema, trembling hands, weight gain, hair loss, loss of memory & concentration. My thyroid is enlarged but that is diminishing a lot with the medication. I do not have the bulging eyes. I am on allopathic medication for the thyroid and heart, and it has helped tremendously. I am also taking Bach Flower Remedies, doing TAT (Tapas Acupressure Technique), Reiki and wearing amethyst and tourquoise for the immune system. I would appreciate hearing other's thoughts of complementary treatments. Blessings, - - - - - Janie Walk softly, Live gently ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ To receive everything, one must open one’s hands and give. ~ Taisen Deshimaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 Hi Swamy; Heilkunst takes into consideration medication, and though it may need to be monitored closely, a Heilkunster will treat people even if under medication. They are familiar with drug symptoms and can see past this to treat the patient. I know of several Heilkunsters that do this. Mostly allopathic drugs but even some on hard drugs are treated. For instance one Heilkunster (he is also a pharmacist) treats drug addicts while still on methadone but these patients need daily monitoring by both the Heilkunster and the physician in partnership to adjust the dosage of the meth. He has a high cure rate if they have a family or friend living with them to help in the monitoring. Louise S.V.SWAMY [swamy] Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:27 AM holistic-health Re: Graves Disease Dear Janie, Sai Ram. If that is not your name, my apologies. Graves Disease affects the thyroid mostly. Homeopathy has the right medicines. It needs to be individualised for you. You wrote that you are already on allopathic medication for the thyroid. In that case, homeopathy or Heilkunst etc, have no place. Since you seem to be tolerating the allopathic medication well, pl. continue. Share with us the side effects or any other symptoms that come up, which could be helped by BFRs. Reiki will certainly help and I am sending you healing energy. Only if you are unable to continue allopathic medication or want to change to an alternative system for some other reasons, then do Tissue Remedies, Herbs, Homeopathy etc. come into picture. And you should certainly not do self-treatment in this case. Regards. Swamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2003 Report Share Posted December 10, 2003 Dear Louise, OK. From the introduction to Heikunst that you sent me, I still thought it is a modified form of Homeopathy. Now, I am not sure. If allopathic medicines or hard drugs and Helikunst can coexist, it (whatever is being given) is being used as a tool, as a fragment, not whole, to anti-dote the side effects or support the drugs. Pl. don't think that I am against any medical system. The way you describe Heilkunst, it certainly doesn't sound like Homeopathy. Now I can understand why some homeopaths are against it. But to help us appreciate it better, may be you could write a small article, giving its basic principles again. One thing we agree is that the patient needs monitoring. And that monitoring has to be professional. Best wishes.Louise <Louise wrote: Hi Swamy;Heilkunst takes into consideration medication, and though it may need to bemonitored closely, a Heilkunster will treat people even if under medication.They are familiar with drug symptoms and can see past this to treat thepatient. I know of several Heilkunsters that do this. Mostly allopathicdrugs but even some on hard drugs are treated.For instance one Heilkunster (he is also a pharmacist) treats drug addictswhile still on methadone but these patients need daily monitoring by boththe Heilkunster and the physician in partnership to adjust the dosage of themeth. He has a high cure rate if they have a family or friend living withthem to help in the monitoring.Louise Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2003 Report Share Posted December 10, 2003 What is Heilkunst? Heil = whole remedial kunst = art A few links with information about Heilkunst, it is not just homeopathy. Rudi Verspoor and Steven Decker have studies the Organon, going back to the old German it was written in and did a new translation (some of which has been printed) the rest is in our school book the Dynamic Legacy. Some of this information is hard for the classical homeopaths to grasp as many have not read the Organon directly. Our teacher takes great pains to work from the Organon when teaching us and have use question what we are learning. It is not a school where we memorize facts. But they look to teach us a deeper meaning of our becoming healthier persons first as our first goal and then as a Heilkunster to cure and to help restore health to the client. http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/heilkunsttreatment.html http://www.heilkunst.com/whatis.html http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/ http://www.heilkunst.com/ info www.homeopathy.com info about our school. Louise Swamy Swarna [wholistichealth2003] Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:04 PM holistic-health RE: Graves Disease Dear Louise, OK. From the introduction to Heikunst that you sent me, I still thought it is a modified form of Homeopathy. Now, I am not sure. If allopathic medicines or hard drugs and Helikunst can coexist, it (whatever is being given) is being used as a tool, as a fragment, not whole, to anti-dote the side effects or support the drugs. Pl. don't think that I am against any medical system. The way you describe Heilkunst, it certainly doesn't sound like Homeopathy. Now I can understand why some homeopaths are against it. But to help us appreciate it better, may be you could write a small article, giving its basic principles again. One thing we agree is that the patient needs monitoring. And that monitoring has to be professional. Best wishes. Louise <Louise wrote: Hi Swamy; Heilkunst takes into consideration medication, and though it may need to be monitored closely, a Heilkunster will treat people even if under medication. They are familiar with drug symptoms and can see past this to treat the patient. I know of several Heilkunsters that do this. Mostly allopathic drugs but even some on hard drugs are treated. For instance one Heilkunster (he is also a pharmacist) treats drug addicts while still on methadone but these patients need daily monitoring by both the Heilkunster and the physician in partnership to adjust the dosage of the meth. He has a high cure rate if they have a family or friend living with them to help in the monitoring. Louise Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2003 Report Share Posted December 10, 2003 Dear Louise, While I thank you for the links, the central question remains: If Heilkunst is more thn hoemopathy, what exactly is it? And how does one justify the use of allopathic drugs and Heilkunst at the same time? If Heilkunst does accept the role of the modern allopthic drugs, how can it ever claim to be wholistic method, since allpathic drugs by definition are symptom specific and empirical. And jow can it claim the legacy from Hahenmann, who rebelled against the smae meaningless, empirical prescribing system? Swamy holistic-health , " Louise " <Louise@r...> wrote: > What is Heilkunst? > > Heil = whole remedial kunst = art > > A few links with information about Heilkunst, it is not just homeopathy. > Rudi Verspoor and Steven Decker have studies the Organon, going back to the > old German it was written in and did a new translation (some of which has > been printed) the rest is in our school book the Dynamic Legacy. Some of > this information is hard for the classical homeopaths to grasp as many have > not read the Organon directly. > > Our teacher takes great pains to work from the Organon when teaching us and > have use question what we are learning. It is not a school where we > memorize facts. But they look to teach us a deeper meaning of our becoming > healthier persons first as our first goal and then as a Heilkunster to cure > and to help restore health to the client. > > http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/heilkunsttreatment.html > > http://www.heilkunst.com/whatis.html > > http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/ > http://www.heilkunst.com/ info@h... > www.homeopathy.com info about our school. > > Louise > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2003 Report Share Posted December 10, 2003 Hi Swamy; The drugs in question are those needed for life sustaining (prescribed by allopathic doctors) and that the regular classical homeopaths will not touch because of this. The aim is to get them off the drugs. We get a pharmaceutical course to understand the " effects " of these drugs {I have yet to get this course personally though in theory we have been told about it} So when we see signs that the dosage is to high, we mention to the patient that he needs to see his allopathic doctor to adjust the dose {we can not tell him to have it lowered per say} There are some patients that want to drop all the drugs right off but that is very dangerous with some drugs and they need to be wean off them slowly. There are some of the higher risk drug addicts that are on methadone for instance and they need a lot of surveillance {there is one pharmacist/Heilkunster that treats these type of drug addicts and has a allopathic type doctor working DAILY to monitor their need to lower the methadone and need for remedies. {He has a very high rate of cure} The taking of drugs is not people taking aspirins and over the counter drugs type thing. Louise S.V.Swamy [swamy] Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:33 AM holistic-health Re: Graves Disease Dear Louise, While I thank you for the links, the central question remains: If Heilkunst is more thn hoemopathy, what exactly is it? And how does one justify the use of allopathic drugs and Heilkunst at the same time? If Heilkunst does accept the role of the modern allopthic drugs, how can it ever claim to be wholistic method, since allpathic drugs by definition are symptom specific and empirical. And jow can it claim the legacy from Hahenmann, who rebelled against the smae meaningless, empirical prescribing system? Swamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2003 Report Share Posted December 10, 2003 hi,evveryone, homeopathy is a wholistic way of treatment,accepted.however considering that there are certain illnesses that need allopathic drugs to control them,homeopathy here gets handicapped sometimes not due to lack of an available remedy but due to the time factor involved when one needs immediate control,e.g. in psychosis or schizophrenia or severe drug addiction. from what i understand,allopathy controls the immediate presenting factors whereas homeopathy works towards healing your body gently and triggerring your body to start healing the weakness that is causing your body to need the allopathic medicine.a time should come when the person has healed to the extent of not needing the allopathic med anymore due to the underlying weakness having been healed. my own experience has been to take both allopathic and homeopathic remedies at the same time until i reached a point when i could do without the allopathic medicine and simply continue with the homeopathic one.this due to the fact that my body had healed to the extent that i could do without the allopathic medicines now ! whereas before there had been no such possibility. regards,seeker. "S.V.Swamy" <swamy wrote: Dear Louise,While I thank you for the links, the central question remains: If Heilkunst is more thn hoemopathy, what exactly is it? And how does one justify the use of allopathic drugs and Heilkunst at the same time? If Heilkunst does accept the role of the modern allopthic drugs, how can it ever claim to be wholistic method, since allpathic drugs by definition are symptom specific and empirical. And jow can it claim the legacy from Hahenmann, who rebelled against the smae meaningless, empirical prescribing system? Swamyholistic-health , "Louise" <Louise@r...> wrote:> What is Heilkunst?> > Heil = whole remedial kunst = art> > A few links with information about Heilkunst, it is not just homeopathy.> Rudi Verspoor and Steven Decker have studies the Organon, going back to the> old German it was written in and did a new translation (some of which has> been printed) the rest is in our school book the Dynamic Legacy. Some of> this information is hard for the classical homeopaths to grasp as many have> not read the Organon directly.> > Our teacher takes great pains to work from the Organon when teaching us and> have use question what we are learning. It is not a school where we> memorize facts. But they look to teach us a deeper meaning of our becoming> healthier persons first as our first goal and then as a Heilkunster to cure> and to help restore health to the client.> > http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/heilkunsttreatment.html> > http://www.heilkunst.com/whatis.html> > http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/> http://www.heilkunst.com/ info@h...> www.homeopathy.com info about our school.> > Louise> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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